Re: OT/EMERGENCY ALERT: Great Danger Lurking in Flu Shots

October 27, 2007

The reason we have asthma is the same shots we are given...I am asthmatic...but

I was able to loose the asthma diagnose...with natural medicine and

nutrition...just by boosting IMMUNE SYSTEM...asthma is an autoimmune disease to,

just like Autism, Cancer, MS and Arthritis....just to mention a few...and this

is all caused by not letting our immune system function properly and add

malnourishment, pesticides, vaccination, flu shots, medications that give you

side effects that are even worse than what you are treating!!!

When I came to U.S. I was re-vaccinated all over again....I had no choice if I

wanted a Green Card!!! Then Flu shots...and after a year my immune system went

bad and asthma came back worse than before, and 2 years later CANCER...and 2

autistic boys!!!! I had Flu shot every year and during pregnancy and breast

feeding too!!!

So be careful!!! Just think how humanity has survived this far with out

vaccines and medications!!!!

I have worse health than may mother and she has worse health than her mother

and my children are AUTISTIC!!! Living in their own world disconnected not by

choice but because I decided to trust the PHARMACEUTICALS, and the Doctors that

do as they are told by them too!!! Love, Gabby. :0)

October 28, 2007

I am a relatively new member to this group and have never posted, but wanted to

chime in about the flu shots. I have give them to all of my children for the

last several years. This year I am undecided. The more information I learn

about ingredients and the effects vaccines can have on immune systems scares

me. My son is only 3 1/2 with autism and is nonverbal and since he has only

been diagnosed with autism for a year and a half, I've only had one flu season

to go through so far.

A consideration for me is that infuenza is a major illness and does kill

children, adults, the elderly, etc. and it is hard to know who will be the most

affected. Influenza can be sporadic or rampant in any given year and so much

just depends on chance. I began giving my children (and self) the flu shots

four years ago because my second oldest daughter who was 14 at the time

contracted the flu and was VERY ill with it. It was the sickest I have ever

seen any of my children. It can be a scary illness. Consequently, we have been

getting flu shots every year since. Three years ago, my next youngest daughter

who was five at the time also got influenza, and she had received her flu shot

and was no where near as ill. None of us caught influenza either time.

While it may seem like I am strictly an advocate for flu shots, I really

dislike them, but I have personally seen the benefits they can offer and I have

personally seen how ill a normally very healthy kid can become with the flu.

Just some food for thought. I also consider that my son's disability was

caused by something that happened during pregnancy and the only two things that

I can point to are a flu shot I received early in pregnancy and dental work with

and old amalgam done later in pregnancy.

These are the things I consider when debating whether to provide my family

with the flu shots.

Thanks,

__________________________________________________

October 28, 2007

Dear ,

With regards to shots, my daughter will be getting 'boosters' this year. She is

in grade 9 and will probably come home one day from school having already been

shot up without my say. I am not too worried. She is a tall, healthy girl who

is quite athletic.

There is this concept of 'body burden' for our kids that seems to ring true for

me. It is the idea that our bodies can 'hold only so much crap' before problems

begin to ensue. The younger the child, the lesser the body weight and thus, the

lessor the body burden that the child can hold. Jennie McCarthy on Larry King

used the analogy of a bucket. Little kids only have a little bucket and once

the bucket begins to overflow with the toxins, their bodies break-down and

simply cannot get rid of them fast enough and damage is done. I had the chicken

pox while Mark was in utero, you had the flu shot/dental work while your son was

in utero. Thus, our children were born with buckets that were already 1/2 full!

That, combined with the vaccines plus the ever increasing chemicals and such

that our babies are exposed to these days resulted in 'overflowing buckets'.

I now know that before my son can have one more shot, his bucket must be emptied

and repaired. It is so damaged that he can no longer empty it himself very

efficiently. His body must be able to 'eliminate' toxins far more efficiently

than it does at present. So, if I look at my kids as individuals, I have one

child with a body burden that is substantially more capable of 'handling' toxins

than the other. I, thus, will treat them both differently and as individuals.

Just my little input on a very sensitive matter....

Janice

[sPAM] [ ] Re: OT/EMERGENCY ALERT: Great Danger

Lurking in Flu Shots

I am a relatively new member to this group and have never posted, but wanted

to chime in about the flu shots. I have give them to all of my children for the

last several years. This year I am undecided. The more information I learn about

ingredients and the effects vaccines can have on immune systems scares me. My

son is only 3 1/2 with autism and is nonverbal and since he has only been

diagnosed with autism for a year and a half, I've only had one flu season to go

through so far.

A consideration for me is that infuenza is a major illness and does kill

children, adults, the elderly, etc. and it is hard to know who will be the most

affected. Influenza can be sporadic or rampant in any given year and so much

just depends on chance. I began giving my children (and self) the flu shots four

years ago because my second oldest daughter who was 14 at the time contracted

the flu and was VERY ill with it. It was the sickest I have ever seen any of my

children. It can be a scary illness. Consequently, we have been getting flu

shots every year since. Three years ago, my next youngest daughter who was five

at the time also got influenza, and she had received her flu shot and was no

where near as ill. None of us caught influenza either time.

While it may seem like I am strictly an advocate for flu shots, I really

dislike them, but I have personally seen the benefits they can offer and I have

personally seen how ill a normally very healthy kid can become with the flu.

Just some food for thought. I also consider that my son's disability was

caused by something that happened during pregnancy and the only two things that

I can point to are a flu shot I received early in pregnancy and dental work with

and old amalgam done later in pregnancy.

These are the things I consider when debating whether to provide my family

with the flu shots.

Thanks,

__________________________________________________

October 28, 2007

Don't sweat it Aggie! A 3.9 year old is not as neurologically

vulnerable as, say the six month old babies that they want to

vaccinate. We aren't doing flu shots this year, but I'm pretty sure

that more poison leached into my body (and therefore my children,

before they were born) from my mouthful of amalgam fillings and root

canals (6 or 7 -- I've lost count!) than any shot offered to them.

We have to balance the known risks and the unknown risks when

deciding. I wouldn't mess around if my child had an asthma-like

condition. Asthma isn't theoretically...

in NJ

>

> I am sick about this topic since we just got the shot for my 3.9

year old grandson. I posted about our quandary a few weeks ago and

got a few replies but nothing like the debate that is going on now.

In the end we decided to go on the advice of our pediatrician who has

been a personal friend of mine for 25 years. He said of course the

decision was ours but if it were his grandson he would give the shot

given his respiratory issues that he is not calling asthma but is

treating like asthma. I can't change the fact that he has now had

the shot, but can anyone who feels the shot is dangerous because of

the thimerisol (which my ped. says is about the amount in a salmon

meal), tell me when to expect the bad things to start happening. So

far I have not noticed anything, but it has only been 5 days. I

would like to know at some point that I can stop worrying that we may

have made the wrong decision. Aggie

>

October 28, 2007

Does anyone have any info. on the studies of the vaccines themselves?

>

> My immediate family has never gone for the flu vaccine -but my mom

> who is considered in a high risk group due to her age does each

> year. Being informed doesn't necessarily mean that you won't

> vaccinate yourself or your child child -but that you will be able to

> make an educated decision based on you or your child's risk (asthma

> etc)

>

> You'll be hearing about the Faces of Influenza next month. The flu

> is one of the top killers in the US including sadly to young

children:

> " You also will come to realize that influenza is not the common

cold.

> It's serious. Each year, approximately 226,000 Americans are

> hospitalized with complications from influenza. An average of 36,000

> people die from the virus and its complications.1 "

> " Among the faces featured on this site are two families who suffered

> the deaths of healthy, vibrant children to influenza. "

> http://www.facesofinfluenza.org/

>

> " On the morning of February 28, 2004, 4-year-old Kanowitz

> developed a cough and moderate fever. By the next morning, she was

> vomiting, but her parents and Alissa kept an eye on her and

> expected her symptoms to improve and go away.

>

> By that evening, however, grew increasingly weak and her lips

> appeared gray. A call to the doctor eased their fears. He told them

> that as long as was kept hydrated with little sips of water,

> she'd get better and be okay.

>

> Around 3 a.m. the next morning, awoke complaining of thirst

> and a stomach ache. A glass of water and a trip to the bathroom

> seemed to help, and she returned to bed.

>

> However, when the family woke up at 7:30 a.m., 's parents

found

> her lifeless in bed. had been stricken with influenza—a

> vaccine-preventable disease. "

> http://www.facesofinfluenza.org/PortraitGallery.html

>

> Influenza-Associated Deaths among Children in the United States,

2003–

> 2004

>

> Niranjan Bhat, M.D., G. , D.V.M., M.P.H., R.

> Broder, M.D., L. Murray, M.S.P.H., E. Greenberg, M.D.,

> M.P.H., Maleeka J. Glover, Sc.D., M. Likos, M.D., M.P.H., Drew

> L. Posey, M.D., M.P.H., Klimov, Ph.D., E.

> Lindstrom, Ph.D., Balish, B.S., Marie-jo Medina, M.S.,

> R. Wallis, M.S., Jeannette Guarner, M.D., D. Paddock,

> M.D., M.P.H.T.M., Wun-Ju Shieh, M.D., M.P.H., Ph.D., Sherif R. Zaki,

> M.D., Ph.D., J. Sejvar, M.D., K. Shay, M.D., M.P.H.,

> A. Harper, M.D., M.P.H., J. , Ph.D., Keiji Fukuda,

> M.D., M.P.H., M. Uyeki, M.D., M.P.H., M.P.P., for the

> Influenza Special Investigations Team

>

> Perspective

> by Dolin, R.

>

> Letters

>

> PubMed Citation

>

> ABSTRACT

>

> Background Although influenza is common among children, pediatric

> mortality related to laboratory-confirmed influenza has not been

> assessed nationally.

>

> Methods During the 2003–2004 influenza season, we requested that

> state health departments report any death associated with

laboratory-

> confirmed influenza in a U.S. resident younger than 18 years of age.

> Case reports, medical records, and autopsy reports were reviewed,

and

> available influenza-virus isolates were analyzed at the Centers for

> Disease Control and Prevention.

>

> Results One hundred fifty-three influenza-associated deaths among

> children were reported by 40 state health departments. The median

age

> of the children was three years, and 96 of them (63 percent) were

> younger than five years old. Forty-seven of the children (31

percent)

> died outside a hospital setting, and 45 (29 percent) died within

> three days after the onset of illness. Bacterial coinfections were

> identified in 24 of the 102 children tested (24 percent). Thirty-

> three percent of the children had an underlying condition recognized

> to increase the risk of influenza-related complications, and 20

> percent had other chronic conditions; 47 percent had previously been

> healthy. Chronic neurologic or neuromuscular conditions were present

> in one third. The mortality rate was highest among children younger

> than six months of age (0.88 per 100,000 children; 95 percent

> confidence interval, 0.52 to 1.39 per 100,000).

>

> Conclusions A substantial number of influenza-associated deaths

> occurred among U.S. children during the 2003–2004 influenza season.

> High priority should be given to improvements in influenza-vaccine

> coverage and improvements in the diagnosis and treatment of

influenza

> to reduce childhood mortality from influenza.

>

> Source Information

>

> From the Epidemic Intelligence Service, Career Development Division,

> Office of Workforce and Career Development (N.B., J.G.W., K.R.B.,

> M.E.G., M.J.G., A.M.L., D.L.P.); and the Influenza Branch (E.L.M.,

> A.K., S.E.L., A.B., M.M., T.R.W., D.K.S., S.A.H., N.J.C., K.F.,

> T.M.U.), Infectious Disease Pathology Activity (J.G., C.D.P., W.-

> J.S., S.R.Z.), and Office of the Director (J.J.S.), Division of

Viral

> and Rickettsial Diseases, National Center for Infectious Diseases,

> Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Atlanta.

>

> Drs. Bhat and contributed equally to the article.

>

> Address reprint requests to Dr. Bhat at the Division of Viral and

> Rickettsial Diseases, National Center for Infectious Diseases, CDC,

> Mailstop A-32, 1600 Clifton Rd. NE, Atlanta, GA 30333, or at

> nbhat@...

> http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/353/24/2559

>

> =====

>

October 28, 2007

I think you made the best decision you could at the time. Please

don't worry. Just love him up and believe he will be OK. Flu deaths

are real so you can't beat yourself up. Wisdom of decision

either way.