RE: Detox Aluminum - Liz, Janice anyone

[Guest guest]

I cannot say. I am so sorry. We never had spinning and the only foot

change was going flatfooted to regular footed for the most part.

Remember, I did it backwards so who knows what I did right or wrong and

why it all happened as it did. Still scares the you know what out of

me. We really never had much in the way of regression for the most part

unless enough fod was not eaten etc. Basic stuff.

>

> Hey there got a bit of a scare about an hour ago. Charlie has a cold

in

> addition to our starting the detox for heavy metals (3 days now). He

> was just spinning and I arrived into my first nightmare watching him

> toe walk.

>

> What is going on? Help!

>

> Colleen

> Mother of Charlie 30 months

>

[Guest guest]

Colleen,

What are you using on him? Do you have a yeast protocol in place as you

detox..... very important and this is often an item that the docs forget about.

(oh, yeah.... might wanna take something for that yeast....)

Mark is older and his yeast symptoms are extreme jock itch (it really bothers

him and literally makes him jump out of his skin) but I think(not sure) that

really stimmy behaviour and toe walking are a youngsters presentation of yeast.

DMSA stirs up such yeast in Mark that as a matter of couse, I give him candex.

Detox can kick up yeast like crazy!

Are you detoxing straight? No breaks or days off? or is it like a DMSA

protocol 3 days on 11 days off?

Janice

[sPAM][ ] Detox Aluminum - Liz, Janice anyone

Hey there got a bit of a scare about an hour ago. Charlie has a cold in

addition to our starting the detox for heavy metals (3 days now). He

was just spinning and I arrived into my first nightmare watching him

toe walk.

What is going on? Help!

Colleen

Mother of Charlie 30 months

[Guest guest]

Colleen,

What method of detoxification are you using? A bad protocol can cause negative

side effects. Also, even good protocols with good products are notorious for

stirring up yeast. It's pretty much unavoidable when detoxing, but it is

manageable. What is your yeast protocol? You need a very good antifungal

(usually prescription works best) and very good probiotics to keep it in check

as much as possible.

If I had to make a guess (not knowing everything yet), I would say this sounds a

lot like a yeast problem. We've been chelating for 3 years and have been down

this road many a time.

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From: " somerville_colleen " <colleen.somerville@...>

Hey there got a bit of a scare about an hour ago. Charlie has a cold in

addition to our starting the detox for heavy metals (3 days now). He

was just spinning and I arrived into my first nightmare watching him

toe walk.

What is going on? Help!

Colleen

Mother of Charlie 30 months

[Guest guest]

My guess... retracing (kid goes back a bit before moving forward) or

could very well be yeast.

>

> Hey there got a bit of a scare about an hour ago. Charlie has a cold

in

> addition to our starting the detox for heavy metals (3 days now). He

> was just spinning and I arrived into my first nightmare watching him

> toe walk.

>

> What is going on? Help!

>

> Colleen

> Mother of Charlie 30 months

>

[Guest guest]

Janice,

Thanks for your email. Here is the scenerio. Any insight at all is surely

appreciated. To answer your questions, this is what I am using listed below.

I chose Homeopathic drops as my DAN! suggested rather than the Chelex from

Xymogen that you are using with Mark.

On Thursday, we started him on 3 drops of the Methylcobalamin B12 by Apex

Energetics (working up to 5 drops 2x per day). Notice Increased speech and

energy immediately.

Along with that we started Metal Cord a homeopathic made by energetix out of

Canada:

Allium Cepa 3X, 6X, Berberis Vulgaris 1X, Uncarita Tomentosa 3X, EDTA 6X,

12X, Allium Sativa 3X, Glycyrrhiza Galbra 3X, Glycyrrhiza Glabra 3X, 6X,

Lappa Major 3X 6X, Lycopodiym Clavatum 3X, 6X, Lymph 3X 6X, Metal Isodes 12X

30X, 40X60X, 1M Methionine 3X, Nux Vomica 12X, Platago Major 3X, Rhamnus

Frangula 3X, Nux Vomica 12X, Plantago Major 3X, Thamnus Frangula 3X, Rhamus

Frangula 3X, Selenium Metallicum 10X, Stillingia Sylvatica 3X, Thyroid 3X,

6X, Trifolium Pratense 3X, Glycerin 15%, Ethanol 15%, Distilled Water 70%

We used in our Yeast detox and now in Aluminum Detox) In In addition to

support the Kidney we started once again the Kidney Tone also made by

energetix out of Canada.(20 drops) (we were on this about a month ago to aid

in getting rid yeast - which was wonderful),

It is comprised of Agrimonia Eupatoria 3X, Cantharis 12X, Echinacea

Angustifolia 1X, Glutathione 5X, Kidney 4X, 6X, 12X, 30X, 200X, Lycopodium

Clavatum 12X, Pareira Brava 3X, Petroselinum Sativum 1X, Renal Calculi 12x,

30X, Rubina Tinctorum 12X, Solidago Vigaurea 1X, Uva Ursi 1X, Glycerin 15%

Ethanol 15%, Distilled Water 70%

She prescribed nothing for yeast, which after your email and everyone elses,

has me quite concerned. I know we detoxed a lot of yeast earlier, but I

sounds like I need an antifunal or more yeast detox. We have him on no fruit

or juice. Limited sugar. Increase of protein major decrease of gluten, and

of course, no dairy.

Yesterday, I also gave him Xopenex Inhalation Solution for his breathing and

cough. Maybe this had something to do with it in additon? It is made of

levalbuterol provided as the hydrochloride salt containing sodium chloride

adn sulfuric acid to adjust the pH. No preservatives.

When we were detoxing yeast I used MycocanChord made by energetix out of

Canada we worked up to 20 drops. Comprised of :

Adrenal 3X, 6X, Astragalus Menziesii 3X, Bone Marrow 8x, Borax Veneta 4X,

8x, 12X, Candida Nosodes 12X, 30X, 60x, 100x, 200x, 500x, Ceanothus 1X, 3x,

Condurango 3x, FungusNosodes 12x, 30x, 200x, Germanium Sesquioxide 3x, 6x,

Hydrastis Canadensis 3x, Kidney 3x, 6x, Lactic Acid 3x, 6x Lapacho 3x,

lomatium 3x, lymph 3x, 6x, Mannan 4x, Osha 3x, Phosphoricum Acidum 12x,

Propolis 3x, Quercus Glandium Spiritus 3x, spleen, thymus 3x 6x, uncaria

Tomentosa 3x, 6x, Uncaria Tomentosa 3x, Glycerin 15% Ethanol% Distilled

Water 70%.

We are detoxing straight with no breaks, perhaps I need to look into your

possible suggestion below.

I got on the phone with the DAN! this morning. She did not have his file in

front of her at the time. I told her that this is not my son at all. In the

last 24 hours, he has been spinning once toe walking once. Turning on the

lights and the fan, sensory stuff, Turning his airplane upside down and

watching the spinner part of it spin, speech skills are nill. It is like he

is absent from himself. Tantrums and uncooperative behavior.

She really did not know what to tell me at the time. We agreeded to pull the

B12, and the metal chord (metal detoxer) and keep him on the kidney tone for

2 days, then reevaulate. She then called me back after looking into his file

and said that he may be hypersensitive to detox. She never metnioned yeast,

which concerns me. She told me to review the methylB12 in Dr Bock's book. I

am going to get back on the phone with her.

But of course after reading everyone's email it sounds like yeast, doesnt

it.

Help!

Colleen

Mother of Charlie 30 months

.. Re: [ ] Detox Aluminum - Liz, Janice anyone

Colleen,

What are you using on him? Do you have a yeast protocol in place as you

detox..... very important and this is often an item that the docs forget

about. (oh, yeah.... might wanna take something for that yeast....)

Mark is older and his yeast symptoms are extreme jock itch (it really

bothers him and literally makes him jump out of his skin) but I think(not

sure) that really stimmy behaviour and toe walking are a youngsters

presentation of yeast.

DMSA stirs up such yeast in Mark that as a matter of couse, I give him

candex. Detox can kick up yeast like crazy!

Are you detoxing straight? No breaks or days off? or is it like a DMSA

protocol 3 days on 11 days off?

Janice

[sPAM][ ] Detox Aluminum - Liz, Janice anyone

Hey there got a bit of a scare about an hour ago. Charlie has a cold in

addition to our starting the detox for heavy metals (3 days now). He

was just spinning and I arrived into my first nightmare watching him

toe walk.

What is going on? Help!

Colleen

Mother of Charlie 30 months

[Guest guest]

Thanks . I forgot about retracing and it certainly explains a

lot about the fun we have had here.

> >

> > Hey there got a bit of a scare about an hour ago. Charlie has a

cold

> in

> > addition to our starting the detox for heavy metals (3 days now).

He

> > was just spinning and I arrived into my first nightmare watching

him

> > toe walk.

> >

> > What is going on? Help!

> >

> > Colleen

> > Mother of Charlie 30 months

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Does he really have a cold or is it part of detox? I have seen that.

> >

> > Hey there got a bit of a scare about an hour ago. Charlie has a

cold

> in

> > addition to our starting the detox for heavy metals (3 days now).

He

> > was just spinning and I arrived into my first nightmare watching

him

> > toe walk.

> >

> > What is going on? Help!

> >

> > Colleen

> > Mother of Charlie 30 months

> >

>

[Guest guest]

He has snot and coughing... probably the detox and the immune system thing!

[ ] Re: Detox Aluminum - Liz, Janice anyone

Does he really have a cold or is it part of detox? I have seen that.

> >

> > Hey there got a bit of a scare about an hour ago. Charlie has a

cold

> in

> > addition to our starting the detox for heavy metals (3 days now).

He

> > was just spinning and I arrived into my first nightmare watching

him

> > toe walk.

> >

> > What is going on? Help!

> >

> > Colleen

> > Mother of Charlie 30 months

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Snot and coughing could be yeast die off.

> > >

> > > Hey there got a bit of a scare about an hour ago. Charlie has a

> cold

> > in

> > > addition to our starting the detox for heavy metals (3 days

now).

> He

> > > was just spinning and I arrived into my first nightmare

watching

> him

> > > toe walk.

> > >

> > > What is going on? Help!

> > >

> > > Colleen

> > > Mother of Charlie 30 months

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Okay,

So today I pulled him off the Metal Cord Homeopathic and the MB12. After

talking with DAN! It appears that she wants to put him back on yeast detox

incase there is more. Watch him and then start back slowly.

I am wondering if the Nebulizer of Xopenex did something to him yesterday

also? Also do you all think there is aluminum in Xopenex? Although I will

never know how the heck he got all this aluminum exactly, I wonder if this

was a major contributer to aluminum.

Still tackling the zinc ratio. LM for Dorfman adn hope to speak with

her soon. Hubby is off to WF to get the zinc charcol soap, per Liz.

Behavior is about back to normal. Took him to the park today and got him

some fresh air after his preschool

Colleen

Mother of Charlie 30 months

Re: [ ] Detox Aluminum - Liz, Janice anyone

Colleen,

What are you using on him? Do you have a yeast protocol in place as you

detox..... very important and this is often an item that the docs forget

about. (oh, yeah.... might wanna take something for that yeast....)

Mark is older and his yeast symptoms are extreme jock itch (it really

bothers him and literally makes him jump out of his skin) but I think(not

sure) that really stimmy behaviour and toe walking are a youngsters

presentation of yeast.

DMSA stirs up such yeast in Mark that as a matter of couse, I give him

candex. Detox can kick up yeast like crazy!

Are you detoxing straight? No breaks or days off? or is it like a DMSA

protocol 3 days on 11 days off?

Janice

[sPAM][ ] Detox Aluminum - Liz, Janice anyone

Hey there got a bit of a scare about an hour ago. Charlie has a cold in

addition to our starting the detox for heavy metals (3 days now). He

was just spinning and I arrived into my first nightmare watching him

toe walk.

What is going on? Help!

Colleen

Mother of Charlie 30 months

[Guest guest]

How did he get the aluminum? Well, let's see: for one thing the

vaccines that used to have thimerosol in them now have aluminum. That

stuff is so bad they thought enough to take it out of pet vaccines

ten years ago. Too bad the animal rights activists don't care as much

for our babies.

Aluminum is also everywhere. I wonder what else was in our town

water. On top of the aluminum window factory we live a mile away from

a big pharmaceutical co. God knows what they are contributing to our

local environment. They do a lot of manufacturing and I know they

declined having a daycare on site a few years back. That is telling.

But, in the end I am filtering what is coming into our home. Our home

is becoming their sanctuary. They still have to live in this world. I

won't lie, we will likely move, for a variety of reasons not the

least of which is we need more sun and a lower cost of living. In the

end though, we can't and likely should not protect them from it all.

They can take it with steady exposure over time. I will not raise

Niles Crane. This bubble boy thing is temporary.

As an aside, for all I am doing my kids are growing out of things I

see others in the area growing into. It is strange.

>

> Okay,

>

> So today I pulled him off the Metal Cord Homeopathic and the MB12.

After

> talking with DAN! It appears that she wants to put him back on

yeast detox

> incase there is more. Watch him and then start back slowly.

>

> I am wondering if the Nebulizer of Xopenex did something to him

yesterday

> also? Also do you all think there is aluminum in Xopenex? Although

I will

> never know how the heck he got all this aluminum exactly, I wonder

if this

> was a major contributer to aluminum.

>

> Still tackling the zinc ratio. LM for Dorfman adn hope to

speak with

> her soon. Hubby is off to WF to get the zinc charcol soap, per Liz.

>

> Behavior is about back to normal. Took him to the park today and

got him

> some fresh air after his preschool

>

> Colleen

>

> Mother of Charlie 30 months

>

> Re: [ ] Detox Aluminum - Liz, Janice

anyone

>

> Colleen,

>

> What are you using on him? Do you have a yeast protocol in place as

you

> detox..... very important and this is often an item that the docs

forget

> about. (oh, yeah.... might wanna take something for that yeast....)

>

> Mark is older and his yeast symptoms are extreme jock itch (it

really

> bothers him and literally makes him jump out of his skin) but I

think(not

> sure) that really stimmy behaviour and toe walking are a youngsters

> presentation of yeast.

>

> DMSA stirs up such yeast in Mark that as a matter of couse, I give

him

> candex. Detox can kick up yeast like crazy!

>

> Are you detoxing straight? No breaks or days off? or is it like a

DMSA

> protocol 3 days on 11 days off?

>

> Janice

>

> [sPAM][ ] Detox Aluminum - Liz, Janice

anyone

>

> Hey there got a bit of a scare about an hour ago. Charlie has a

cold in

> addition to our starting the detox for heavy metals (3 days now).

He

> was just spinning and I arrived into my first nightmare watching

him

> toe walk.

>

> What is going on? Help!

>

> Colleen

> Mother of Charlie 30 months

>

>

[Guest guest]

Come to ATL... well outside ATL. I think we grew too big to fast after the

Olympics in 96. Cant wait for our Watts to arrive. Thanks for the support!

Re: [ ] Detox Aluminum - Liz, Janice

anyone

>

> Colleen,

>

> What are you using on him? Do you have a yeast protocol in place as

you

> detox..... very important and this is often an item that the docs

forget

> about. (oh, yeah.... might wanna take something for that yeast....)

>

> Mark is older and his yeast symptoms are extreme jock itch (it

really

> bothers him and literally makes him jump out of his skin) but I

think(not

> sure) that really stimmy behaviour and toe walking are a youngsters

> presentation of yeast.

>

> DMSA stirs up such yeast in Mark that as a matter of couse, I give

him

> candex. Detox can kick up yeast like crazy!

>

> Are you detoxing straight? No breaks or days off? or is it like a

DMSA

> protocol 3 days on 11 days off?

>

> Janice

>

> [sPAM][ ] Detox Aluminum - Liz, Janice

anyone

>

> Hey there got a bit of a scare about an hour ago. Charlie has a

cold in

> addition to our starting the detox for heavy metals (3 days now).

He

> was just spinning and I arrived into my first nightmare watching

him

> toe walk.

>

> What is going on? Help!

>

> Colleen

> Mother of Charlie 30 months

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am seriously thinking about it. Lots of my favorite relatives there.

> >

> > Okay,

> >

> > So today I pulled him off the Metal Cord Homeopathic and the

MB12.

> After

> > talking with DAN! It appears that she wants to put him back on

> yeast detox

> > incase there is more. Watch him and then start back slowly.

> >

> > I am wondering if the Nebulizer of Xopenex did something to him

> yesterday

> > also? Also do you all think there is aluminum in Xopenex?

Although

> I will

> > never know how the heck he got all this aluminum exactly, I

wonder

> if this

> > was a major contributer to aluminum.

> >

> > Still tackling the zinc ratio. LM for Dorfman adn hope to

> speak with

> > her soon. Hubby is off to WF to get the zinc charcol soap, per

Liz.

> >

> > Behavior is about back to normal. Took him to the park today and

> got him

> > some fresh air after his preschool

> >

> > Colleen

> >

> > Mother of Charlie 30 months

> >

> > Re: [ ] Detox Aluminum - Liz, Janice

> anyone

> >

> > Colleen,

> >

> > What are you using on him? Do you have a yeast protocol in place

as

> you

> > detox..... very important and this is often an item that the docs

> forget

> > about. (oh, yeah.... might wanna take something for that

yeast....)

> >

> > Mark is older and his yeast symptoms are extreme jock itch (it

> really

> > bothers him and literally makes him jump out of his skin) but I

> think(not

> > sure) that really stimmy behaviour and toe walking are a

youngsters

> > presentation of yeast.

> >

> > DMSA stirs up such yeast in Mark that as a matter of couse, I

give

> him

> > candex. Detox can kick up yeast like crazy!

> >

> > Are you detoxing straight? No breaks or days off? or is it like a

> DMSA

> > protocol 3 days on 11 days off?

> >

> > Janice

> >

> > [sPAM][ ] Detox Aluminum - Liz, Janice

> anyone

> >

> > Hey there got a bit of a scare about an hour ago. Charlie has a

> cold in

> > addition to our starting the detox for heavy metals (3 days now).

> He

> > was just spinning and I arrived into my first nightmare watching

> him

> > toe walk.

> >

> > What is going on? Help!

> >

> > Colleen

> > Mother of Charlie 30 months

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Colleen,

Probably the one thing I would have kept him on is the MB12 since that is a

protocol that I know and am comfortable with.... I am also aware that once you

start MB12, you should not add anything or change your protocol for a minimum of

5 weeks (I think its five weeks) because then you can document changes. I know

that sometimes people will see regression initially when beginning MB 12 (but

this is the shots).

I tried to look for the website about these homeopathics you are using and

cannot find anything. I don't know a lot about this stuff and haven't read much

in the literature about it either. The issue I have is that the products and

the protocol is comprised of sooooo many things that you cannot tell which is

setting Charlie off into a tailspin.

Is it possible to test his reaction to these items one at a time and ramp them

up slowly rather than give them all at once? That way you have an idea which

product is setting him off to stim and regress into 'La la land'.

We never got any type of weird reactions at all using the Chelex but Mark is a

pretty big boy. We also started a probiotic today called Primal Defense that my

doctor gave me to work the yeast angle. He likes it better then Candex.

Take care of our boy.... we adore our little !

Janice

[sPAM][ ] Detox Aluminum - Liz, Janice anyone

Hey there got a bit of a scare about an hour ago. Charlie has a cold in

addition to our starting the detox for heavy metals (3 days now). He

was just spinning and I arrived into my first nightmare watching him

toe walk.

What is going on? Help!

Colleen

Mother of Charlie 30 months

[Guest guest]

Janice,

I spoke with DAN this am. She said that she has never had a kiddo react like

that. I think it was the nebulizer.

I hear what you are saying about the MB12. It is good stuff and most likely

not the problem. So, we are going to continue on with the kidney tone and

yeast drops for today. We are going to move at a slower pace as she will be

leaving town. Metal Chord we will begin to give 1 drop 2x per day and go

from there also continuing with the kidney tone and yeast drops. Then

increasae the Metal Chord for to 3 drops for a week keeping the kidney and

yeast drops along with it the entire time. Even after we add MB12 back in

about a week and a half. She is going to be out of pocket and will not be

able to keep a keen eye on him. So after she returns, we will start back the

MB12.

Thanks so very much for your email. I appreicate the insight and support.

Charlie boy is doing quite well today. I am beginning to see wonderful

things from the buffered C. I am literally watching him fight the sniffles

where as before, he would have digressed further.

BTW, loving the charcol / zinc soap Liz reccommended!

Thanks,

Colleen

Mother of Charlie 30 months

[Guest guest]

Am I the only one scared of MB12 in a kid with kidney stuff to begin

with? I went to Neubranders site yesterday and got more dicouraged.

[Guest guest]

it is the unknown. Charlie was doing super on the stuff until Sunday. We

will wait and try it again slow.

[ ] Re: Detox Aluminum - Liz, Janice anyone

Am I the only one scared of MB12 in a kid with kidney stuff to begin

with? I went to Neubranders site yesterday and got more dicouraged.