Guest guest Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 Try to identify and reduce/remove sources of exposure. See www.danasview.net for sources of exposure. S S <tt> Aluminum 9.1 < 8.0 yellow<BR> Uranium 0.29 < 0.060 red<BR> _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 > > What does a red level of Bismuth indicate (a result of 6.8 when ref. range is > < .13???? thanks much High bismuth levels. Consider any current sources of exposures http://www.danasview.net/metals.htm Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Hi , Welcome to the list. Looks like he could use even more zinc. Aluminum is in vaccines and they increased it when the reduced the mercury in them. Aluminum is also in baking powder (unless specifically labeled aluminum-free) and thus in baked goods. Do you use aluminum bakeware? Aluminum is also added to public water supplies in the fluoridation process. Check www.danasview.net/metals for other sources of exposure. Tin is in some toothpaste in the form of stannous fluoride. S S <p>Hi,<br> <br> I'm new to the group and have just received my 6 year old son's hair <br> test. If I've understood it correctly this test doesn't meet the <br> counting rules (unless someone here is able to interpret it <br> otherwise). I'm very concerned about the high aluminium/tin/<wbr>total <br> toxic representation. I'd really appreciate any advice on how to <br> interpret these results and any first steps I could take to help <br> him. <br> <br> Also I've been supplementing him with Brainchild's SSII <br> minerals/vitamins and Liquizinc for about 18 months now. I'm <br> wondering, given these results, if I'm going to have to adopt a <br> system of supplementing using more individual products rather than <br> multi vitamins/minerals. What are the implications of high <br> molybdenum/low selenium?<br> <br> I've also included the ratios given which I don't really understand.<br> <br> Any help is much appreciated! <br> <br> <br> <br> Doctor's Data Hair Test<br> <br> POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS <br> element result ref range color <br> ============<wbr>=========<wbr>=========<wbr>=========<wbr>====== <br> aluminum 34 <8.0 red<br> antimony 0.13 <0.066 yellow<br> arsenic 0.078 <0.80 green<br> beryllium <0.01 <0.020 no line<br> bismuth 0.089 <0.12 green<br> cadmium 0.17 <0.15 yellow<br> lead 1.4 <1.0 yellow<br> mercury 0.17 0.005 no line<br> thallium <0.001 <0.010 no line<br> thorium <0.001 <0.005 no line<br> uranium 0.003 0.060 green<br> nickel 0.21 <0.40 green <br> silver 0.15 <0.13 yellow <br> tin 1.1 <0.30 red<br> titanium 0.71 <1.0 green<br> <br> Total toxic representation: red<br> <br> <br> ESSENTIAL AND OTHER ELEMENTS <br> element result ref range color under/over 50% <br> ============<wbr>=========<wbr>=========<wbr>=========<wbr>=========<wbr>=======\ ==<wbr>=== <br> Calcium 460 160-500 green over<br> Magnesium 25 12-50 white 50%<br> Sodium 98 12-90 yellow over<br> Potassium 70 10-40 yellow over<br> Copper 14 9-30 green under<br> Zinc 120 110-190 green under <br> Manganese 0.24 0.18 -0.60 green under<br> Chromium 0.29 0.23- 0.50 green under<br> Vanadium 0.056 0.025-0.10 white over <br> Molybdenum 0.18 0.040-0.089 red over<br> Boron 2.3 0.50-3.5 green over<br> Iodine 0.28 0.25- 1.3 green under<br> Lithium 0.018 0.007-0.023 green over<br> Phosphorus 202 160-250 white over<br> Selenium 0.78 0.95-1.7 yellow under<br> Strontium 1.0 0.21-2.1 green over <br> Sulfur 46400 4500-5300 green under<br> Barium 0.31 0.19-1.6 green under<br> Cobalt 0.014 0.013-0.035 green under<br> Iron 6.6 6.0- 17 green under<br> Germanium 0.030 0.045-0.065 yellow under<br> Rubidium 0.036 0.008-0.80 green over<br> Zirconium 0.089 0.060-0.70 green under <br> <br> <br> <br> Ratios Expected Range<br> Ca/Mg 18.4 4-30<br> Ca/P 2.28 0.8-8<br> Na/K 1.4 0.5-10<br> Zn/Cu 8.57 4-20<br> Zn/Cd 706 >800<br> <br> _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 > Also I've been supplementing him with Brainchild's SSII > minerals/vitamins and Liquizinc for about 18 months now. I'm > wondering, given these results, if I'm going to have to adopt a > system of supplementing using more individual products rather than > multi vitamins/minerals. I was never able to use multi vitamins with my severely-affected kids. I always had to use individual supplements. >>What are the implications of high > molybdenum/low selenium? I don't know about high moly, but adding selenium was very beneficial for my son. > aluminum 34 <8.0 red > antimony 0.13 <0.066 yellow > cadmium 0.17 <0.15 yellow > lead 1.4 <1.0 yellow > silver 0.15 <0.13 yellow > tin 1.1 <0.30 red Consider removing sources of current exposures http://www.danasview.net/metals.htm Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 /Dana, Thanks for the welcome/info/links - I'll probably be back with more questions once I've taken the info on board! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2006 Report Share Posted November 5, 2006 > I'm new to the group and have just received my 6 year old son's hair > test. If I've understood it correctly this test doesn't meet the > counting rules by the coiunting rules, it does look very normal. However, this: > > POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS > element result ref range color > ============================================= > aluminum 34 <8.0 red > antimony 0.13 <0.066 yellow > mercury 0.17 0.005 no line > silver 0.15 <0.13 yellow > tin 1.1 <0.30 red looks a lot like mercury. This > lead 1.4 <1.0 yellow may (or may not) be a problem in and of itself. I'd suggest trying at least 5 rounds of chelation (with DMSA and ALA) and then deciding if it helped or not. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 Andy, Many thanks for your interpretation/advice. I've been giving my son various supplements for quite a while and didn't have a baseline hair test before I started, so maybe that's why the essential/other elements looks quite normal. > > > I'm new to the group and have just received my 6 year old son's hair > > test. If I've understood it correctly this test doesn't meet the > > counting rules > > by the coiunting rules, it does look very normal. > > However, this: > > > > POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS > > element result ref range color > > ============================================= > > aluminum 34 <8.0 red > > antimony 0.13 <0.066 yellow > > mercury 0.17 0.005 no line > > silver 0.15 <0.13 yellow > > tin 1.1 <0.30 red > > looks a lot like mercury. > > This > > > > lead 1.4 <1.0 yellow > > may (or may not) be a problem in and of itself. > > I'd suggest trying at least 5 rounds of chelation (with DMSA and ALA) and then deciding if > it helped or not. > > Andy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Comments interspersed. S S <p>I had both my daughter and my hair tested, and I was hoping to get<br> help or opinions on the results. They were not what I expected! I<br> thought we were going to see mercury because my mom had high mercury,<br> but we didn't. I know there's also some sort of counting rule about<br> that? I don't know where we might have gotten the high levels of the<br> other stuff though (where it came from). Nor do I know the best way<br> to get rid of them (from our environment and our bodies). The<br> exception is the Uranium I know is radon and we should have our home<br> tested. The Bismuth that Catey has is supposed to not be toxic, but<br> can cause constipation which Catey's always struggled with (I read it<br> can be used as sauder for water pipes, but we do have a reverse<br> osmosis filter). Ok here we go:<br> <br> Catey's results:<br> <br> Aluminum 10.6 normal ref: <= 17.3<br> Antimony .130 ext high ref: <=.016<br> *Antimony is used as flame retardant in mattresses, bedding, sleepwear, playpens, carseats, upholstered furniture, solder, etc. Arsenic .039 normal ref: <=.080<br> Barium .15 low norm ref: <= 1.70<br> Bismuth .843 very high ref: <= .178<br> *Bismuth is in make-up and one particular brand of diaper rash cream. Cadmium .021 normal/high ref: <= .022<br> Gadolinium .0009 slight high ref: <= .0005<br> Gallium .0030 normal ref: <= .0190<br> Germanium <dl ref: <= .128<br> Lead .221 normal ref: <= .700<br> Mercury .12 normal ref: <= 1..32<br> Nickel .50 high normal ref: <= .55<br> *Nickel is in lots of different things, including hydorgenated foods and hair permanent solution (at least some brands). Palladium <dl ref: <= .015<br> Platnium <dl ref: <= .0004<br> Rhodium <dl ref: <= .0005<br> Tellurium <dl ref: <= .0037<br> Thalium <dl ref: <= .0004<br> Thorium .0602 normal ref: <= .0749<br> Tin .572 ext high ref: <= .149<br> *Tin is in fluoridated toothpaste (if it's stannous flouride) among other things. Tungsten .0065 ext high ref: <= .0014<br> *Check www.danasview.net/metals for more info on sources of exposure. We need essential elements like calcium, potassium, etc. to apply counting rules. Uranium .0662 ext high ref: <= .0057<br> Copper 14 normal ref: 8 - 136<br> <br> Crystal's results<br> <br> Aluminum 15.2 normal<br> Antimony .009 normal<br> Arsenic .038 normal<br> Barium .29 normal<br> Bismuth .251 low high<br> Cadmium .005 normal<br> Gadolinium <dl<br> Gallium .0029 normal<br> Germanium <dl<br> Lead .177 normal<br> Mercury .10 normal<br> Nickel .21 normal<br> Palladium <dl<br> Platinum .0005 low high (I don't have platinum jewelery)<br> Rhodium .0003 normal<br> Tellurium <dl<br> Thallium <dl<br> Thorium .0687 normal<br> Tin .040 normal (Catey's is very high)<br> Tungsten .0037 v. very high<br> Uranium .1074 v. Ext high<br> Copper 38<br> <br> Both of them were the Genova Diagnostics (used to be Great Smokies)<br> Toxic Element Exposure Profile, Hair analysis.<br> We have a clay bath I had planned on using, would it be good for<br> these? What suggestions do you have? <br> Thanks so much for any input!!!!<br> <br> Crystal<br> Mom to Catey, 2 yrs 4 months, Verbal Apraxia (moderate)<br> <br> _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 I had both my daughter and my hair tested, and I was hoping to get help or opinions on the results. They were not what I expected! I thought we were going to see mercury because my mom had high mercury, but we didn't. I know there's also some sort of counting rule about that? I don't know where we might have gotten the high levels of the other stuff though (where it came from). Nor do I know the best way to get rid of them (from our environment and our bodies). The exception is the Uranium I know is radon and we should have our home tested. The Bismuth that Catey has is supposed to not be toxic, but can cause constipation which Catey's always struggled with (I read it can be used as sauder for water pipes, but we do have a reverse osmosis filter). Ok here we go: Catey's results: Aluminum 10.6 normal ref: <= 17.3 Antimony .130 ext high ref: <=.016 Arsenic .039 normal ref: <=.080 Barium .15 low norm ref: <= 1.70 Bismuth .843 very high ref: <= .178 Cadmium .021 normal/high ref: <= .022 Gadolinium .0009 slight high ref: <= .0005 Gallium .0030 normal ref: <= .0190 Germanium <dl ref: <= .128 Lead .221 normal ref: <= .700 Mercury .12 normal ref: <= 1..32 Nickel .50 high normal ref: <= .55 Palladium <dl ref: <= .015 Platnium <dl ref: <= .0004 Rhodium <dl ref: <= .0005 Tellurium <dl ref: <= .0037 Thalium <dl ref: <= .0004 Thorium .0602 normal ref: <= .0749 Tin .572 ext high ref: <= .149 Tungsten .0065 ext high ref: <= .0014 Uranium .0662 ext high ref: <= .0057 Copper 14 normal ref: 8 - 136 Crystal's results Aluminum 15.2 normal Antimony .009 normal Arsenic .038 normal Barium .29 normal Bismuth .251 low high Cadmium .005 normal Gadolinium <dl Gallium .0029 normal Germanium <dl Lead .177 normal Mercury .10 normal Nickel .21 normal Palladium <dl Platinum .0005 low high (I don't have platinum jewelery) Rhodium .0003 normal Tellurium <dl Thallium <dl Thorium .0687 normal Tin .040 normal (Catey's is very high) Tungsten .0037 v. very high Uranium .1074 v. Ext high Copper 38 Both of them were the Genova Diagnostics (used to be Great Smokies) Toxic Element Exposure Profile, Hair analysis. We have a clay bath I had planned on using, would it be good for these? What suggestions do you have? Thanks so much for any input!!!! Crystal Mom to Catey, 2 yrs 4 months, Verbal Apraxia (moderate) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 You can check info like this at the CDC. Tugsten is used in fire retardent materials here is some info about how you get it into your body and how it affects children: http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/phs186.html Public Health Statement for Tungsten (Tungsteno) August 2005 PDF Version, 67 KB CAS#: 7440-66-6 1.1 What is this substance? 1.2 What happens to it when it enters the environment? 1.3 How might I be exposed to it? 1.4 How can it enter and leave my body? 1.5 How can it affect my health? 1.6 How can it affect children? 1.7 How can families reduce the risk of exposure? 1.8 Is there a medical test to determine whether I have been exposed to it? 1.9 What recommendations has the federal government made to protect human health? 1.10 Where can I get more information? References This Public Health Statement is the summary chapter from the Toxicological Profile for Tungsten. It is one in a series of Public Health Statements about hazardous substances and their health effects. A shorter version, the ToxFAQs™, is also available. This information is important because this substance may harm you. The effects of exposure to any hazardous substance depend on the dose, the duration, how you are exposed, personal traits and habits, and whether other chemicals are present. For more information, call the ATSDR Information Center at 1-888-422-8737. This public health statement tells you about tungsten and the effects of exposure to it. The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) identifies the most serious hazardous waste sites in the nation. These sites are then placed on the National Priorities List (NPL) and are targeted for long-term federal clean-up activities. Tungsten has been found in at least 6 of the 1,662 current or former NPL sites. Although the total number of NPL sites evaluated for this substance is not known, the possibility exists that the number of sites at which tungsten is found may increase in the future as more sites are evaluated. This information is important because these sites may be sources of exposure and exposure to this substance may harm you. When a substance is released either from a large area, such as an industrial plant, or from a container, such as a drum or bottle, it enters the environment. Such a release does not always lead to exposure. You can be exposed to a substance only when you come in contact with it. You may be exposed by breathing, eating, or drinking the substance, or by skin contact. If you are exposed to tungsten, many factors will determine whether you will be harmed. These factors include the dose (how much), the duration (how long), and how you come in contact with it. You must also consider any other chemicals you are exposed to and your age, sex, diet, family traits, lifestyle, and state of health. top 1.1 What is tungsten? Tungsten is a naturally occurring element that, in most environments, is a solid. In nature, it occurs in rocks and soil as minerals, but never as the pure metal. Two kinds of tungsten-bearing mineral rocks, called wolframite and scheelite, are mined commercially. The mineral ore is processed to recover the tungsten and turn it into either chemical compounds or metal. Elemental tungsten, like elemental copper or gold, is a metal. Its color can range from tin white (for the pure metal) to steel gray (for metal that has impurities in it). Tungsten can be used as a pure metal or mixed with other metals to make alloys. Tungsten alloys tend to be strong and flexible, resist wear, and conduct electricity well. Tungsten and its alloys are used as light bulb filaments, as the part of x-ray tubes where x-rays are formed, as a catalyst to speed up chemical reactions, as a component of steel in high-speed tools, in turbine blades, in phonographic needles, as welding electrodes, as gyroscope wheels, as counterbalance and fishing weights, in darts, and in golf club components. They can be used in bullets (as a replacement for lead) and in armor penetrators (as a substitute for depleted uranium). Chemical compounds of tungsten are used for many purposes. Cemented tungsten carbide, a hard substance used to make grinding wheels and cutting or forming tools, is the most common tungsten compound. Other tungsten compounds are used in ceramic pigments, as fire retardant coatings for fabrics, and as fade-resistant dyes for fabrics. top 1.2 What happens to tungsten when it enters the environment? Tungsten occurs naturally in the environment, in minerals, but not as the pure metal. As an element, tungsten can be neither created nor destroyed chemically, although tungsten can change forms in the environment. Tungsten is released into air as fine dust-like particles by weathering. Emissions from hard metal industries also increase tungsten levels in air. The amount of tungsten that has been measured in the ambient air is, in general, less than 10 billionths of a gram per cubic meter (or parts per billion [ppb]). Very small dust particles of tungsten in the air fall out onto surface water, plant surfaces, and soil either by themselves or when rain or snow falls. These tungsten particles eventually recycle back in the soil or in the bottoms of lakes, rivers, and ponds, where they stay and mix with tungsten that is already there. Tungsten in water originates mainly from dissolution of tungsten from rocks and soil that water runs over and through. Tungsten has not been detected in the vast majority of surface water and groundwaters of the United States. Some exceptions include areas near mines and natural deposits, and also in Churchill County (City of Fallon), in Nevada, where tungsten has been detected in municipal water and groundwater. Only a very small fraction of tungsten in water originates from the settling of dust out of the air. Most tungsten products of human-origin that enter waterways originate from industry discharges of waste water. Tungsten in water may be in either soluble or insoluble forms. Insoluble tungsten in water can settle to the bottom where it enters sediment. Some insoluble tungsten compounds, however, can remain suspended in ocean water for many years, requiring as long as 1,000 years to settle to the bottom. Tungsten occurs naturally in soil as a mineral, or component of soil. It occurs in amounts that vary over a wide range from less than 1 to as high as 83 thousandths of a gram per kilogram of soil. Another way to say this is that the tungsten concentration ranges from 1 to 83 parts per million (ppm) in soil by weight. Disposal of coal ash, incinerator ash, and industrial wastes may increase the amount of tungsten in soil. A portion of tungsten in soil does not dissolve in water, but remains bound and is not likely to move deeper into the ground and enter groundwater. The remaining soluble portion may move deeper into the ground and enter groundwater if the pH is greater than 7. In the environment, chemical reactions can change the water-soluble tungsten compounds into insoluble forms. In some cases, water-insoluble tungsten compounds can change to soluble forms. In general, exposure to water-soluble tungsten compounds in the environment will pose a greater threat to human health than water-insoluble forms. top 1.3 How might I be exposed to tungsten? You can be exposed to low levels of tungsten by breathing air, drinking water, or eating food that contains tungsten. The average ambient concentration of tungsten in air has been reported to be less than 10 nanograms in a cubic meter of air (1 nanogram is 1 billionth of a gram). Cities have higher levels of tungsten in the air because tungsten is released from industry. Tungsten has been detected in municipal water from Fallon, Nevada. However, the amounts of tungsten in drinking water are generally not known. This is probably because the tungsten levels are lower than the laboratory methods are able to detect without concentrating samples, or the laboratory does not measure for tungsten. The amounts in foods are generally not known, possibly for the same reasons. Tungsten in plants was either taken up by the plant or was attached to the plant as a component of the soil. The concentration of tungsten in onions collected from Denmark is 17 micrograms in a kilogram of fresh vegetables. Although very limited data are available, exposure to tungsten from air, drinking water, and food is expected to be insignificant. In certain workplaces, you can be exposed to levels of tungsten in air that are higher than background levels, which are very small or none. Exposures are mostly in the form of tungsten metal or tungsten carbide. Occupational exposure to tungsten occurs primarily at places where individuals use hard metals containing tungsten or are engaged in the machining of these metals. This includes the grinding (pointing) of tungsten metal welding electrodes prior to use. Occupational exposure to tungsten carbide occurs during the machining of tungsten carbide tools in the manufacturing process. The total number of individuals occupationally exposed to tungsten or its compounds has been estimated to be about 47,000. Tungsten metal and metal alloys occur in consumer products such as electronics, light bulb filaments, cemented tungsten carbide grinding wheels, carbide tipped tools, and " green " bullets. No other consumer products or products used in crafts, hobbies, or cottage industries were identified that contain significant amounts of tungsten. It is unlikely that tungsten present in consumer products poses a hazard. However, appropriate dust masks are recommended for amateur craftsmen engaging in activities that may potentially produce tungsten carbide dust (e.g., metal grinding). top 1.4 How can tungsten enter and leave my body? Tungsten can enter your body from the food you eat or the water you drink, from the air you breathe, or from contact with the skin. When you eat, drink, breathe, or touch things containing tungsten compounds that can easily be dissolved in water, tungsten enters your blood and is carried to all parts of your body. Most of the tungsten that enters your blood is rapidly released from your body in the urine. When you eat or drink things containing tungsten, much of the tungsten passes through your digestive system and is released from your body in the feces. When you breathe air that contains tungsten, some of the tungsten moves quickly to your bloodstream from the lungs, and some of the tungsten is cleared from your lungs in mucus that is either swallowed or spit out. When you swallow tungsten that was first in your lungs, it passes through your digestive system as if you had eaten it. Some enters your blood from your digestive system and some passes out with the feces. A small portion of the tungsten that enters your blood may spend some time in bone, fingernails, or hair. Some of this tungsten is slowly eliminated from your body through the urine and feces. top 1.5 How can tungsten affect my health? Scientists use many tests to protect the public from harmful effects of toxic chemicals and to find ways for treating persons who have been harmed. One way to learn whether a chemical will harm people is to determine how the body absorbs, uses, and releases the chemical. For some chemicals, animal testing may be necessary. Animal testing may also help identify health effects such as cancer or birth defects. Without laboratory animals, scientists would lose a basic method for getting information needed to make wise decisions that protect public health. Scientists have the responsibility to treat research animals with care and compassion. Scientists must comply with strict animal care guidelines because laws today protect the welfare of research animals. You are not likely to experience any health effects that would be related to exposure to tungsten or tungsten compounds. Tungsten compounds have caused breathing problems and changed behavior in some animals given very large amounts of tungsten compounds, but you are not likely to be exposed to amounts of tungsten in the air you breathe or the food or water you take into your body that would be large enough to cause similar effects. If you are a worker who has inhaled tungsten heavy metal dust, your exposure would help determine if health effects similar to those seen in animals might occur. top 1.6 How can tungsten affect children? This section discusses potential health effects in humans from exposures during the period from conception to maturity at 18 years of age. Children could be affected in the same ways as adults. In adult animals, very large amounts of tungsten compounds have been shown to cause breathing problems and changes in behavior. However, it is not likely that children would be exposed to amounts of tungsten in the air they breathe or the food or water they consume that would be large enough to cause effects similar to those that were seen in the animals. Animal studies have shown that tungsten in the blood of a pregnant mother can enter the blood of a fetus in the womb. Studies in dairy cows have shown that tungsten may also enter the milk. There is no information to suggest that the effects seen in animals could not occur in humans. We do not know whether unborn babies, babies, and children might differ from adults in their susceptibility to health effects from exposure to tungsten or tungsten compounds. top 1.7 How can families reduce the risk of exposure to tungsten? If your doctor finds that you have been exposed to substantial amounts of tungsten, ask whether your children might also have been exposed. Your doctor might need to ask your state health department to investigate. Children living near waste sites containing tungsten are likely to be exposed to higher environmental levels of tungsten through breathing contaminated air, drinking contaminated water, touching soil, and eating contaminated soil. Children sometimes eat dirt, which should be discouraged. Parents should supervise to see that children wash their hands frequently and before eating. Parents should consult their family physicians about whether (and how) hand-to-mouth behaviors in their children might be discouraged. If your community's drinking water has been reported to contain elevated levels of tungsten, you should take advantage of alternative water sources such as bottled water for drinking. Some children may be exposed to tungsten by contact with a family member who works in a facility using tungsten or who works with tungsten carbide grinding wheels. If you work at a facility that uses tungsten or have tungsten dust on your clothes, change your clothes and clean your hair and skin before leaving your job or work site and returning home. Do not bring objects home such as work tools that may be contaminated with tungsten. top 1.8 Is there a medical test to determine whether I have been exposed to tungsten? Medical tests exist that can determine whether your body fluids contain high levels of tungsten. Samples of blood or feces can be collected in a doctor's office and sent to a laboratory that can measure tungsten levels. It is easier for most laboratories to measure tungsten in blood than in feces. The presence of high levels of tungsten in the feces can mean recent high tungsten exposure. High levels of tungsten in the blood can mean high tungsten consumption and/or high exposure. High tungsten levels in blood or feces reflect the level of exposure to tungsten. Measuring tungsten levels in urine and saliva also may provide information about tungsten exposure. Tests to measure tungsten in hair may provide information on long-term tungsten exposure. top 1.9 What recommendations has the federal government made to protect human health? The federal government develops regulations and recommendations to protect public health. Regulations can be enforced by law. The EPA, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA), and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) are some federal agencies that develop regulations for toxic substances. Recommendations provide valuable guidelines to protect public health, but cannot be enforced by law. The Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR) and the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) are two federal organizations that develop recommendations for toxic substances. Regulations and recommendations can be expressed as " not-to-exceed " levels, that is, levels of a toxic substance in air, water, soil, or food that do not exceed a critical value that is usually based on levels that affect animals; they are then adjusted to levels that will help protect humans. Sometimes these not-to-exceed levels differ among federal organizations because they used different exposure times (an 8-hour workday or a 24-hour day), different animal studies, or other factors. Recommendations and regulations are also updated periodically as more information becomes available. For the most current information, check with the federal agency or organization that provides it. Some regulations and recommendations for tungsten include the following: There are few guidelines for tungsten and tungsten compounds. For tungsten and insoluble tungsten compounds, NIOSH has established a recommended exposure limit (REL; 10-hour time weighted average) of 5 mg/m³ and a short-term exposure limit (STEL; 15-minute time weighted average) of 10 mg/m³. OSHA has established permissible exposure limits (PELs; 8-hour time weighted average) for tungsten of 5 mg/m³ (insoluble compounds) and 1 mg/m³ (soluble compounds) for construction and shipyard industries. top 1.10 Where can I get more information? If you have any more questions or concerns, please contact your community or state health or environmental quality department or: Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry Division of Toxicology and Environmental Medicine 1600 Clifton Road NE, Mailstop F-32 Atlanta, GA 30333 Phone: 1-800-CDC-INFO • 888-232-6348 (TTY) Email: cdcinfo@... Information line and technical assistance: Phone: 888-422-8737 FAX: (770)-488-4178 ATSDR can also tell you the location of occupational and environmental health clinics. These clinics specialize in recognizing, evaluating, and treating illnesses resulting from exposure to hazardous substances. To order toxicological profiles, contact: National Technical Information Service 5285 Port Royal Road Springfield, VA 22161 Phone: 800-553-6847 or 703-605-6000 top References Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR). 2005. Toxicological profile for Tungsten. Atlanta, GA: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service. top This page was updated on 11/06/2006 Crystal <crystalam_@...> wrote: I had both my daughter and my hair tested, and I was hoping to get help or opinions on the results. They were not what I expected! I thought we were going to see mercury because my mom had high mercury, but we didn't. I know there's also some sort of counting rule about that? I don't know where we might have gotten the high levels of the other stuff though (where it came from). Nor do I know the best way to get rid of them (from our environment and our bodies). The exception is the Uranium I know is radon and we should have our home tested. The Bismuth that Catey has is supposed to not be toxic, but can cause constipation which Catey's always struggled with (I read it can be used as sauder for water pipes, but we do have a reverse osmosis filter). Ok here we go: Catey's results: Aluminum 10.6 normal ref: <= 17.3 Antimony .130 ext high ref: <=.016 Arsenic .039 normal ref: <=.080 Barium .15 low norm ref: <= 1.70 Bismuth .843 very high ref: <= .178 Cadmium .021 normal/high ref: <= .022 Gadolinium .0009 slight high ref: <= .0005 Gallium .0030 normal ref: <= .0190 Germanium <dl ref: <= .128 Lead .221 normal ref: <= .700 Mercury .12 normal ref: <= 1..32 Nickel .50 high normal ref: <= .55 Palladium <dl ref: <= .015 Platnium <dl ref: <= .0004 Rhodium <dl ref: <= .0005 Tellurium <dl ref: <= .0037 Thalium <dl ref: <= .0004 Thorium .0602 normal ref: <= .0749 Tin .572 ext high ref: <= .149 Tungsten .0065 ext high ref: <= .0014 Uranium .0662 ext high ref: <= .0057 Copper 14 normal ref: 8 - 136 Crystal's results Aluminum 15.2 normal Antimony .009 normal Arsenic .038 normal Barium .29 normal Bismuth .251 low high Cadmium .005 normal Gadolinium <dl Gallium .0029 normal Germanium <dl Lead .177 normal Mercury .10 normal Nickel .21 normal Palladium <dl Platinum .0005 low high (I don't have platinum jewelery) Rhodium .0003 normal Tellurium <dl Thallium <dl Thorium .0687 normal Tin .040 normal (Catey's is very high) Tungsten .0037 v. very high Uranium .1074 v. Ext high Copper 38 Both of them were the Genova Diagnostics (used to be Great Smokies) Toxic Element Exposure Profile, Hair analysis. We have a clay bath I had planned on using, would it be good for these? What suggestions do you have? Thanks so much for any input!!!! Crystal Mom to Catey, 2 yrs 4 months, Verbal Apraxia (moderate) --------------------------------- Have a burning question? Go to Answers and get answers from real people who know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 http://www.lenntech.com/Periodic-chart-elements/W-en.html here is another site to search through your compounds. I would search everything on more than one site to get a more clear view. Brigett Crystal <crystalam_@...> wrote: I had both my daughter and my hair tested, and I was hoping to get help or opinions on the results. They were not what I expected! I thought we were going to see mercury because my mom had high mercury, but we didn't. I know there's also some sort of counting rule about that? I don't know where we might have gotten the high levels of the other stuff though (where it came from). Nor do I know the best way to get rid of them (from our environment and our bodies). The exception is the Uranium I know is radon and we should have our home tested. The Bismuth that Catey has is supposed to not be toxic, but can cause constipation which Catey's always struggled with (I read it can be used as sauder for water pipes, but we do have a reverse osmosis filter). Ok here we go: Catey's results: Aluminum 10.6 normal ref: <= 17.3 Antimony .130 ext high ref: <=.016 Arsenic .039 normal ref: <=.080 Barium .15 low norm ref: <= 1.70 Bismuth .843 very high ref: <= .178 Cadmium .021 normal/high ref: <= .022 Gadolinium .0009 slight high ref: <= .0005 Gallium .0030 normal ref: <= .0190 Germanium <dl ref: <= .128 Lead .221 normal ref: <= .700 Mercury .12 normal ref: <= 1..32 Nickel .50 high normal ref: <= .55 Palladium <dl ref: <= .015 Platnium <dl ref: <= .0004 Rhodium <dl ref: <= .0005 Tellurium <dl ref: <= .0037 Thalium <dl ref: <= .0004 Thorium .0602 normal ref: <= .0749 Tin .572 ext high ref: <= .149 Tungsten .0065 ext high ref: <= .0014 Uranium .0662 ext high ref: <= .0057 Copper 14 normal ref: 8 - 136 Crystal's results Aluminum 15.2 normal Antimony .009 normal Arsenic .038 normal Barium .29 normal Bismuth .251 low high Cadmium .005 normal Gadolinium <dl Gallium .0029 normal Germanium <dl Lead .177 normal Mercury .10 normal Nickel .21 normal Palladium <dl Platinum .0005 low high (I don't have platinum jewelery) Rhodium .0003 normal Tellurium <dl Thallium <dl Thorium .0687 normal Tin .040 normal (Catey's is very high) Tungsten .0037 v. very high Uranium .1074 v. Ext high Copper 38 Both of them were the Genova Diagnostics (used to be Great Smokies) Toxic Element Exposure Profile, Hair analysis. We have a clay bath I had planned on using, would it be good for these? What suggestions do you have? Thanks so much for any input!!!! Crystal Mom to Catey, 2 yrs 4 months, Verbal Apraxia (moderate) __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2007 Report Share Posted September 21, 2007 Hi , What does a current hair test look like? You posted before that you used improper chelation, have you switched to a safer protocol? At the time of the hair test you posted did you have amalgams? What I think of the hair test you posted (I didn't pay attention to the date on it) is that if you haven't had a recent one it might make sense to do so. I also think you should (continue to) chelate using Andy's protocol providing you have no current sources of exposure. S S Hair Test results. Posted by: " kastout24 " kastout24@... kastout24 Thu Sep 20, 2007 2:12 pm (PST) Hey everybody, Just posting to let you know I put up my hair test results.. Or i think i did.. My computer was acting crazy so I'm not sure if i double posted, or posted at all. It shows high mercury but curious as to what you guys thought of it. this was before I did the DMPS and DMSA. _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2007 Report Share Posted September 21, 2007 , I have not had a current hair test... That test was from 2006.. After that I did DMPS and DMSA on 3 days on 11 days off but without doing those drugs every certain amount of hours... and i would stop at night as well. I don't have amalgams. They believe my exposure was from tuna fish, which I ate a ton of growing up. I also have had vaccinations so who knows if that played a part too. As for now, i just started ALA 12.5 mg and did one round. I noticed maybe a little nuerological stuff like burning patches on forearms and such but nothing major at all. What I was curious about was the fact that my mercury was high.. when i've read a lot of people don't show they are mercury toxic... if that is the case, why do i? thanks for the reply scott ps. when doing DMPS and DMSA like i did, 3pills a day for 3 days, then 11 days off, without using Andy's protocol.. would that redistribute mercury or would that actually get some out of my body? just curious if the prior treatments i did were affective at all? just for your info.. the DMPS was 170mg and the DMSA was 250mg. --- Shepard Salzer <_Shepard@...> wrote: > > > Hi , > What does a current hair test look like? You posted > before that you used improper chelation, have you > switched to a safer protocol? At the time of the > hair test you posted did you have amalgams? What I > think of the hair test you posted (I didn't pay > attention to the date on it) is that if you haven't > had a recent one it might make sense to do so. I > also think you should (continue to) chelate using > Andy's protocol providing you have no current > sources of exposure. > S S > > Hair Test results. > Posted by: " kastout24 " kastout24@... kastout24 > > Thu Sep 20, 2007 2:12 pm (PST) > > Hey everybody, > > Just posting to let you know I put up my hair test > results.. Or i > think i did.. My computer was acting crazy so I'm > not sure if i double > posted, or posted at all. > > It shows high mercury but curious as to what you > guys thought of it. > this was before I did the DMPS and DMSA. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > The most personalized portal on the Web! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2007 Report Share Posted November 15, 2007 Can you upload the test result file so we can check it. We need all the reference ranges and such. > > Hi All, > > > > Please if you have a chance, look at this for me. This is a mock up of 's Hair test results from Doctors Data. Test Date 09/07/2007. is 5 yo and is in a typical KG class w an aid. His most significant issue is being able to stay on task. They recently collected data on him and he averages a need for a reminder at a rate of about 1/min to stay on task. These are not always verbal reminders sometimes a look or a tap will do but he is very distractable. > > > > This is the first hair test where we are seeing mercury. It was done after a summer where we were taking a break from chelation and seeing if an antiviral protocol would help. We used valtrex and to cover any potential yeast issues diflucan for 8 weeks. NO RESPONSE good or bad. > > > > FWIW this was the second NO response to antiviral trial we have done. Last winter we tried this too. . > > > > It is also the worst hair test we have ever had in essential elements and the only test that has ever definitively met the AC counting rules. And the only test where elements were in the 97.5%. The same test a year ago had only 5 elements in the top yellow bar and only two in the bottom yellow bar. I don't know if the AC counting rules apply if you are super supplementing. He has been on the same mineral supplement for the past two years. We are sending off another ION panel to see what they suggest for supplements but it looks to me like we may be over supplementing essential elements. At least I have stopped the mineral supplement that has boron in it. We do not supplement copper or iron and we do supplement Zinc. > > > > We sent a glutathione level off at the same time. His intrinsic glutathione level was > 1100 so he is making his own glutathione now. YEAH !!!!!! > > > > We started an adrenal support supplement yesterday after our Dr visit based on persistently dilated pupils in the afternoon, and mild irritable mood in the afternoon. (He also had the pupil fatigue response to light). > > > > After 2 ½ years of DAN! > > > > Here are the results: Toxic Elements > > > > 68% 95% > > > Result > Ref Range > > > > > Aluminum > 22 > <8 > > > > > Antimony > 0.2 > <0.066 > > > > > Arsenic > 0.28 > <0.08 > > > > > Beryllium > <0.01 > <0.02 > > > > > Bismuth > 0.25 > <2.0 > > > > > Cadmium > 0.37 > <0.15 > > > > > Lead > 4.3 > <1.0 > > > > > Mercury > 0.39 > <0.40 > > > > > Platinum > <0.003 > <0.005 > > > > > Thallium > <0.001 > <0.010 > > > > > Thorium > 0.002 > <0.005 > > > > > Uranium > 0.12 > <0.060 > > > > > Nickel > 0.29 > <0.40 > > > > > Silver > 0.41 > <0.20 > > > > > Tin > 1.4 > <0.30 > > > > > Titanium > 0.92 > <1.0 > > > > > Total Toxic Representation > > > > > > > > Essential Elements > > > Result > Ref > 2.5 > 16 > > 50 > > 84 > 97.5 > > Calcium > 178 > 125-370 > > > > > > > > > Magnesium > 52 > 12-30 > > > > > > > > > Sodium > 489 > 12-90 > > > > > > > > > Potassium > 35 > 12-40 > > > > > > > > > Copper > 25 > 8.0-16 > > > > > > > > > Zinc > 91 > 100-190 > > > > > > > > > Manganese > 0.43 > 0.20-0.55 > > > > > > > > > Chromium > 0.52 > 0.26-0.50 > > > > > > > > > Vanadium > 0.19 > 0.03-0.10 > > > > > > > > > Molybdenum > 0.16 > 0.05-0.13 > > > > > > > > > Boron > 0.91 > 0.6-4.0 > > > > > > > > > Iodine > 0.93 > 0.25-1.3 > > > > > > > > > Lithium > 0.010 > 0.007-0.023 > > > > > > > > > Phosphorus > 194 > 160-250 > > > > > > > > > Selenium > 1.5 > 0.95-1.7 > > > > > > > > > Strontium > 0.37 > 0.16-1.0 > > > > > > > > > Sulfur > 49600 > 45500-53000 > > > > > > > > > Barium > 0.43 > 0.16-0.8 > > > > > > > > > Cobalt > 0.021 > 0.013-0.035 > > > > > > > > > Iron > 28 > 8-19 > > > > > > > > > Germanium > 0.040 > 0.045-0.065 > > > > > > > > > Rubidium > 0.028 > 0.016-0.18 > > > > > > > > > Zirconium > 1.1 > 0.040-1.0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a gob of tests to send off. The usual chemistry stuff, TSH and free T 3 and then the ION panel. We resumed chelation with 25mg ALA and 25mg DMSA after the hair test so we are again chelating with the AC protocol every weekend. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Thanks so much. I will try to figure out how to put the file on here.He has exactly 11 that fall in the white and green. He has 8 that are on the shorter side, the other 3 extend towards the yellow more [ ] Re: Hair test results I do but it would be more helpful if I had the color version that DDI sends you. It can be hard to tell without actually looking at the bars. I have his book on Hair Test interpretation. But from what I can tell: 6 over 50%....five or less indicates toxicity..six is suspicious according to the book. I can't tell for rule 4, as far as which ones have a short line in the middle white/green section. Only count the short ones, ones not very elevated or very low. These should be 11 or less. If not...you would meet this rule. If you met this rule..then toxic. If you were very close on this rule also as in you had 10 or less, or you had 12 or less...being close on two or more rules means mineral transport is deranged and mercury is there. > > reposting... Could use and would love some help. From what I have > read, he shows for two of the three rules? Not sure I am reading it > correctly. Does anyone have experience in reading hair test? > > POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS > element result ref range color > ============ ========= ========= ========= ====== > aluminum 7.7 < 8.0 green ( almost yellow ) > antimony .075 < .006 yellow > arsenic .17 <.080 yellow > beryllium <.01 <.020 > bismuth .o14 <.20 green > cadmium .o41 <.15 green > lead 1.0 <1.0 green/yellow line > mercury <.03 <.40 > platinum <.003 <.005 > thallium <.001 <.010 > thorium <.001 <.005 > uranium .002 <0.060 green > nickel .15 <0.40 green > silver .19 <.20 green > tin .49 <.30 yellow > titanium 1.1 <1.0 yellow > > ESSENTIAL AND OTHER ELEMENTS > element result ref range color under/over 50% > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= === > Calcium 50 125-137 red under > Magnesium 14 12-30 green under > Sodium 8 12-90 yellow under > Potassium 16 12-40 green under > Copper 12 8.0-16 green over > Zinc 130 100-190 white exact 50 % > Manganese .19 .20-.55 yellow under > Chromium .51 .26-.50 yellow over > Vanadium .067 .030-.10 green over > Molybdenum .063 .050-.13 green under > Boron .60 .60-4.0 green under > Iodine .93 .25-1.3 green over > Lithium <.004 .007-0.023 red under > Phosphorus 156 160-250 yellow under > Selenium .65 .95-1.7 yellow under > Strontium .02 .16-1.0 red under > Sulfur 47600 45500-53000 green under > Barium .08 .16-.80 yellow under > Cobalt .008 .013-.035 yellow under > Iron 12 8.0-19 white over > Germanium .039 .045-.065 yellow under > Rubidium .011 .016-.018 yellow under > Zirconium .47 .040-1.0 green over > > I am very complexed as he eats like a horse and all good/healthy > foods. Seems very low in many minerals > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Never miss a thing. Make your home page. http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 > > Thanks so much. I will try to figure out how to put the file on here.He has exactly 11 that fall in the white and green. This meets one of the rules given in the book and thus indicates a very high probabilty of mercury problems. >He has 8 that are on the shorter side, the other 3 extend towards the yellow more > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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