Re: Just curious/TEETH

[Guest guest]

Here's what I know about the tooth/Developmental delay connection:

1) I know that a good dentist can often tell about the general health

and development by looking in a child's mouth. I know someone

personally whose child's dentist recognized the need for growth hormone

by looking in the child's mouth & the way the teeth were developing.

This child is a teenager now so missed some of the shots my HFA infant

got in the late 90s. He is not spectrum but has had some learning and

emotional issues throughout childhood. I think he didn't walk until

age 2.

I also work with an adult (early 50s) who had terrible teeth and got

dentures at an early age. She also didn't walk until she was 2. She's

what I would consider an intelligent person, although she hasn't always

made what I would consider the best choices in life.

I've posted before about how I feel that growth is a key factor in that

none of the kids that I know are average sized and most of the parents

are not average sized. I was at a Pharmacist's continuing education

seminar recently and sat next to a pharmacist from Panama City,FL who

stated that growth factors is what causes autism. This theory I

thought was basically unknown as very few of the people that I know are

familiar with Dr Porte's findings that a large percentage of the kids

are growth hormone deficient---surprisingly enough, some of the

deficient kids were not even small. This kind of goes along with what

I've noticed in families that I'm familiar with. The kids are very

large or very small. I've talked with Dr Usman about this and she said

the majority of the 1500 kids that she's treated have been pencil thin

but some are big---too big.

2) Dr Klinghardt has what he calls the " 7 Perpetuating Factors in

Autism " behind Mercury. My son has almost every one of them. One of

the factors is malocclusion or bite problems. He sends several of his

autism patients to a dentist in California. You can google Klinghardt

Autism Protocol and find a PDF version of this protocol. I've also

been on lists where parents report that palate expanders improve ASD

symptoms and they think that it improves blood flow to the brain.

3) I recently heard Payne, a nutritionist in VA who works with

ASD kids, speak and had the opportunity to eat lunch with him. He says

that many of the ASD kids today, he thinks, are not the same as the

truly ASD kids back in the 1:10,000 kids days a couple of decades ago.

He says those kids have noticeable features involving their jaw

structure and pencil thin teeth. (My husband has small teeth and his

brother's baby teeth were grey.)

4) There was recently a thread on chelatingkids2 autism group about

grey teeth and someone researched it and found that mercury can cause

it.

I've posted in the past about my 2 kids and their differences and

different diagnoses. Even though they share similar genetics and the

same toxic incubator (me) I feel as if one of the reasons why they are

so different is because they may have had a predisposition but

different triggers. I've also wondered if maybe part of the difference

is the sensory channel that is broken. For my son I would guess his

auditory channel is broken and that's why complicated language is still

so poor and he is so visually gifted (drawing in 3D at 3, recognizing

letters, numbers, colors and shapes by age 2). For my daughter I would

guess the visual channel is broken and that's why she has had so much

trouble learning recognition of letters and numbers. I'm wondering if

different metals affect different channels. In our experience it would

seem that mercury affects auditory and lead affects visual.

Vicki

>

> Was either your apraxic kid and/or any of your kids, late to get

teeth?

> If so, can you give me gender and age of first tooth? Also, are teeth

> unusually big, crooked? Weak teeth enamel?

>

[Guest guest]

The kids are either small or large in both height and weight.

My son went to preschool with 2 ASD kids. One extremely small--his

parents weren't exactly giants. The other child was extremely

large. His Mom was what some people would call an " Amazon " . (Very

tall.) Out of the 2 other families at my son's current school that

have autism (one of them undiagnosed AS), they are both very tall

families. One of the kids is tall and skinny and the other comes

from a family where the kids are tall and tend to be overweight.

In terms of chickenpox, I've never had it even though I've been

exposed on several occasions which I would think would indicate that

I have some sort of immune " difference " . I don't have titers either.

A lot of the ASD Moms don't have measles titers and were given

boosters as adults. (My friend who also has a child with AS and I

stood in line together to get our shots in college). The very first

person that I ever talked to that had a spectrum child told me that

she was given a measles shot after the birth of her (AS) son and was

told that it was fine to breastfeed afterwards. He started having

seizures within a very short period of time after she nursed after

receiving the shot.

Also, in regards to sex differences, if I remember correctly,

estrogen protects from mercury toxicity and testosterone somehow

increases the toxicity of mercury. We have tons of infertility in

our family and I think hormonal differences may be part of the reason

my daughter has issues even though she isn't technically " autistic " .

Hopefully, she will get a surge of estrogen in a few years which

reportedly helps the girls. (Heaven help us, she already has the

mind of a teenager.)

Vicki

>

> >Here's what I know about the tooth/Developmental delay connection:

> >

> >1) I know that a good dentist can often tell about the general

health

> >and development by looking in a child's mouth. I know someone

> >personally whose child's dentist recognized the need for growth

hormone

> >by looking in the child's mouth & the way the teeth were

developing.

> >This child is a teenager now so missed some of the shots my HFA

infant

> >got in the late 90s. He is not spectrum but has had some learning

and

> >emotional issues throughout childhood. I think he didn't walk

until

> >age 2.

> >

> >I also work with an adult (early 50s) who had terrible teeth and

got

> >dentures at an early age. She also didn't walk until she was 2.

She's

> >what I would consider an intelligent person, although she hasn't

always

> >made what I would consider the best choices in life.

> >

> >I've posted before about how I feel that growth is a key factor in

that

> >none of the kids that I know are average sized and most of the

parents

> >are not average sized. I was at a Pharmacist's continuing

education

> >seminar recently and sat next to a pharmacist from Panama City,FL

who

> >stated that growth factors is what causes autism. This theory I

> >thought was basically unknown as very few of the people that I

know are

> >familiar with Dr Porte's findings that a large percentage of the

kids

> >are growth hormone deficient---surprisingly enough, some of the

> >deficient kids were not even small. This kind of goes along with

what

> >I've noticed in families that I'm familiar with. The kids are

very

> >large or very small. I've talked with Dr Usman about this and she

said

> >the majority of the 1500 kids that she's treated have been pencil

thin

> >but some are big---too big.

> >

> >2) Dr Klinghardt has what he calls the " 7 Perpetuating Factors in

> >Autism " behind Mercury. My son has almost every one of them. One

of

> >the factors is malocclusion or bite problems. He sends several of

his

> >autism patients to a dentist in California. You can google

Klinghardt

> >Autism Protocol and find a PDF version of this protocol. I've

also

> >been on lists where parents report that palate expanders improve

ASD

> >symptoms and they think that it improves blood flow to the brain.

> >

> >3) I recently heard Payne, a nutritionist in VA who works

with

> >ASD kids, speak and had the opportunity to eat lunch with him. He

says

> >that many of the ASD kids today, he thinks, are not the same as

the

> >truly ASD kids back in the 1:10,000 kids days a couple of decades

ago.

> >He says those kids have noticeable features involving their jaw

> >structure and pencil thin teeth.

[Guest guest]

Hi Liz,

My daughter had a palatal expander put in this summer. There was A LOT

of crying the first few days as she got used to eating with it and

sleeping with the reverse headgear, but now she's fine with it and says

she can feel it working already. We're hoping to avoid braces, but

most kids with that appliance end up with braces, too. We joke that

she used to be our cheap child until this (no therapy, extra

supplements, etc.)

in NJ

>

> Thanks so very much! A few interesting things: the dentist is

> recommending a palate expander for my seemingly NT but I say has

> processing issues daughter.