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report it.We are hearing this in spotted cases & I am sure they want

to know also. It sure starts a bad opinion . You know they say, One

rotten apple , can spoil the bunch......You should have the best for

your child AND he doesn't sound like he is the best for you

LOVE & HUGS

GRANDMOMBEV

HMO Hell!

I posted a message about a month ago about medical care and cf

infants. Several people responded with the very good advice to find

a CFF Care Center. Unfortunately, the pulmonologist that the Cystic

Fibrosis Foundation has accredited in our area is very uninformed

about cystic fibrosis in infants. On our first visit he told us our

son only had a mild case of cf, that cpt is trivial if the child

stays active, and told me to " talk to my pediatrician about Zach's

acid reflux " because he only handles cf problems. My pediatrican

has stated bluntly that " CF is out of my league " .

He also did not even ask about Zach's enzyme dosage or his cpt

schedule. We eventually found out that Zach's enzyme dosage was too

low and he was having malabsorption issues, not acid reflux. I

immediately had my pediatrician do an out of network referral to a

pediatric pulmonologist. It was denied. We are appealing the

decision, but will not have an answer before Zach's next clinic

visit.

I am curious if it is possible to let someone at the Cystic Fibrosis

Foundation know that one of their " accredited " doctors is spouting

inaccurate information. I am sure this man is a qualified

pulmonologist, but he is not qualified to be treating cf infants. It

is because of this doctor's affiliation with the Foundation that the

insurance company will not consider it a medical necessity for Zach

to be treated elsewhere.

Am I wrong here? Any advice would be appreciated.

Sara - mommy to Zach 14 months wcf

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Who should I report this to at the Foundation? Is there a

particular department that deals with this or should I call the 1-

800 number?

Thanks for your advice.

Sara

>

> report it.We are hearing this in spotted cases & I am sure they

want

> to know also. It sure starts a bad opinion . You know they say, One

> rotten apple , can spoil the bunch......You should have the best

for

> your child AND he doesn't sound like he is the best for you

>

> LOVE & HUGS

> GRANDMOMBEV

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1-800-fightCF.ask for someone who is involved with the CFF clinics.they

should let you speak to someone & that person will most likely pass the

info on. But they will want to know-whether they do anything -I don't

know

Love & hugs, GRDMBEv

Re: HMO Hell!

Who should I report this to at the Foundation? Is there a

particular department that deals with this or should I call the 1- 800

number? Thanks for your advice. Sara

>

> report it.We are hearing this in spotted cases & I am sure they

want

> to know also. It sure starts a bad opinion . You know they say, One

> rotten apple , can spoil the bunch......You should have the best

for

> your child AND he doesn't sound like he is the best for you

>

> LOVE & HUGS

> GRANDMOMBEV

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The opinions and information exchanged on this list should IN NO WAY

be construed as medical advice.

PLEASE CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN BEFORE CHANGING ANY MEDICATIONS OR

TREATMENTS.

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Thanks for the info. All I can do is tell my story and hope for the

best. We have found a pediatric pulmonologist who will see Zach if

the insurance denies us. He is at an accredited cf center too. It

is three hours away, but it would be worth it. We would have to pay

for the doctor out of our own pockets, but I can't sleep at night

knowing that Zach's medical needs are not being met.

Sara

> >

> > report it.We are hearing this in spotted cases & I am sure they

> want

> > to know also. It sure starts a bad opinion . You know they say,

One

> > rotten apple , can spoil the bunch......You should have the best

> for

> > your child AND he doesn't sound like he is the best for you

> >

> > LOVE & HUGS

> > GRANDMOMBEV

>

>

>

>

> -------------------------------------------

> The opinions and information exchanged on this list should IN NO

WAY

> be construed as medical advice.

>

> PLEASE CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN BEFORE CHANGING ANY MEDICATIONS OR

> TREATMENTS.

>

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>

>

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Great to see him. maybe he can in a politically correct way, let the

powers that be -know why you had to come there ...........best wishes

LOVE & HUGS

GRDMBEV

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Thanks for the info. All I can do is tell my story and hope for the

best. We have found a pediatric pulmonologist who will see Zach if

the insurance denies us. He is at an accredited cf center too. It

is three hours away, but it would be worth it. We would have to pay

for the doctor out of our own pockets, but I can't sleep at night

knowing that Zach's medical needs are not being met.

Sara

> >

> > report it.We are hearing this in spotted cases & I am sure they

> want

> > to know also. It sure starts a bad opinion . You know they say,

One

> > rotten apple , can spoil the bunch......You should have the best

> for

> > your child AND he doesn't sound like he is the best for you

> >

> > LOVE & HUGS

> > GRANDMOMBEV

>

>

>

>

> -------------------------------------------

> The opinions and information exchanged on this list should IN NO

WAY

> be construed as medical advice.

>

> PLEASE CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN BEFORE CHANGING ANY MEDICATIONS OR

> TREATMENTS.

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

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I would definitely report it. I would also call the insurance company and

talk to somebody IN CHARGE--NOT just one of the people who answer the phone

and say that it will be " looked into " . And call OFTEN!! This advice comes

from lots of experience! LOL LOL Try to always be polite, of course,

BUT....if they are rude to you, you have every right to complain about that

to another person there. Try having your regular pediatrician write a

letter to them stating the need for a doc that specializes in infants with

CF, if he will, too. Also, document each and every call to them, and each

and every call and visit to the doctor, and anything that negative that

results from the doc not doing something or doing the incorrect thing. The

more facts you can throw at them, the better.

Good luck!

S., mom to Cody (7, pwcf), DJ (8, nocf), and a (14, nocf)

HMO Hell!

> I posted a message about a month ago about medical care and cf

> infants. Several people responded with the very good advice to find

> a CFF Care Center. Unfortunately, the pulmonologist that the Cystic

> Fibrosis Foundation has accredited in our area is very uninformed

> about cystic fibrosis in infants. On our first visit he told us our

> son only had a mild case of cf, that cpt is trivial if the child

> stays active, and told me to " talk to my pediatrician about Zach's

> acid reflux " because he only handles cf problems. My pediatrican

> has stated bluntly that " CF is out of my league " .

> He also did not even ask about Zach's enzyme dosage or his cpt

> schedule. We eventually found out that Zach's enzyme dosage was too

> low and he was having malabsorption issues, not acid reflux. I

> immediately had my pediatrician do an out of network referral to a

> pediatric pulmonologist. It was denied. We are appealing the

> decision, but will not have an answer before Zach's next clinic

> visit.

> I am curious if it is possible to let someone at the Cystic Fibrosis

> Foundation know that one of their " accredited " doctors is spouting

> inaccurate information. I am sure this man is a qualified

> pulmonologist, but he is not qualified to be treating cf infants. It

> is because of this doctor's affiliation with the Foundation that the

> insurance company will not consider it a medical necessity for Zach

> to be treated elsewhere.

> Am I wrong here? Any advice would be appreciated.

>

> Sara - mommy to Zach 14 months wcf

>

>

>

> -------------------------------------------

> The opinions and information exchanged on this list should IN NO WAY

> be construed as medical advice.

>

> PLEASE CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN BEFORE CHANGING ANY MEDICATIONS OR

TREATMENTS.

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

>

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Hi ,

We have been working with a nurse case manager since Zach's

diagnosis. She has been quite helpful until today. I asked if we

could get a referral to another pediatric pulmonologist that is

listed in our HMO provider directory. She explained that the

provider directory book is very " confusing " and that the lousy

doctor we already have is the only doctor we can go to in-network.

She reminded me that we are welcome to pay for these services out of

pocket. Big help.

My pediatrician and the pediatric pulmonologist, that we want Zach

to see, both wrote letters emphasizing that it is very important

that Zach sees a doctor who understands the special needs of cf

infants. My husband and I even wrote a letter documenting 7

concerns we had during our visit with the lousy doctor. With all of

that documentation we were still denied.

I am contacting our state department of insurance if our appeal is

also denied. In the mean time, we may pay for Zach's care out of

pocket.

Thanks for your advice. I will start documenting the phone calls.

That is something I have not been doing.

Sara - Mommy to Zach 14 months wcf

-- In cfparents , " " <codybug@C...> wrote:

> I would definitely report it. I would also call the insurance

company and

> talk to somebody IN CHARGE--NOT just one of the people who answer

the phone

> and say that it will be " looked into " . And call OFTEN!! This

advice comes

> from lots of experience! LOL LOL Try to always be polite, of

course,

> BUT....if they are rude to you, you have every right to complain

about that

> to another person there. Try having your regular pediatrician

write a

> letter to them stating the need for a doc that specializes in

infants with

> CF, if he will, too. Also, document each and every call to them,

and each

> and every call and visit to the doctor, and anything that negative

that

> results from the doc not doing something or doing the incorrect

thing. The

> more facts you can throw at them, the better.

>

> Good luck!

> S., mom to Cody (7, pwcf), DJ (8, nocf), and a (14,

nocf)

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Sara,

Document EVERYTHING! keep a record of the time you called, who you spoke to,

every question you ask and every answer and what time the calls ended. Also

document every call with the clinic and anyone else you speak to regarding any

thing CF related. keep copies of anything you send to anyone. Find out why

there is another pediatric pulmonologist listed in the directory if you can't go

to him. Also why it is so " confusing " these are supposed to be reference

materials for the customer, not brain surgery manuals. Ask for copies of the

letters that both docs wrote for you. If you pay for Zach's care out of pocket

make sure you keep all the reciepts, the insurance company may have to pay you

back! One thing that is effective is this, tell them that you are sure that

zach will end up in the hospital if he continues to be seen by someone who is

not used to handling CF infants..a hospital stay of less than 2 weeks for my

daughter costs somewhere around $20,000. That's a lot of cash.....

Also if you do not get a satisfactory answer to your question or request ask to

speak to a supervisor. If one is not available ask to speak to that

supervisor's supervisor. Don't take " I don't know why " or " no " for an answer.

Also they usually have " member advocates " or something like this title who can

help too.

Hope I've helped

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Hi ,

We have been working with a nurse case manager since Zach's

diagnosis. She has been quite helpful until today. I asked if we

could get a referral to another pediatric pulmonologist that is

listed in our HMO provider directory. She explained that the

provider directory book is very " confusing " and that the lousy

doctor we already have is the only doctor we can go to in-network.

She reminded me that we are welcome to pay for these services out of

pocket. Big help.

My pediatrician and the pediatric pulmonologist, that we want Zach

to see, both wrote letters emphasizing that it is very important

that Zach sees a doctor who understands the special needs of cf

infants. My husband and I even wrote a letter documenting 7

concerns we had during our visit with the lousy doctor. With all of

that documentation we were still denied.

I am contacting our state department of insurance if our appeal is

also denied. In the mean time, we may pay for Zach's care out of

pocket.

Thanks for your advice. I will start documenting the phone calls.

That is something I have not been doing.

Sara - Mommy to Zach 14 months wcf

-- In cfparents , " " <codybug@C...> wrote:

> I would definitely report it. I would also call the insurance

company and

> talk to somebody IN CHARGE--NOT just one of the people who answer

the phone

> and say that it will be " looked into " . And call OFTEN!! This

advice comes

> from lots of experience! LOL LOL Try to always be polite, of

course,

> BUT....if they are rude to you, you have every right to complain

about that

> to another person there. Try having your regular pediatrician

write a

> letter to them stating the need for a doc that specializes in

infants with

> CF, if he will, too. Also, document each and every call to them,

and each

> and every call and visit to the doctor, and anything that negative

that

> results from the doc not doing something or doing the incorrect

thing. The

> more facts you can throw at them, the better.

>

> Good luck!

> S., mom to Cody (7, pwcf), DJ (8, nocf), and a (14,

nocf)

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I have two questions...How many kids do you have (you might need to borrow some)

and how far away is the nearest office for your HMO?

I had trouble with our insurance at one time. I eventually stated the problem

to the supervisor who could have really cared less. I then informed him that I

wanted an appointment with his superior. I was sure He could handle the

problem. If there weren't any appointments available I would be happy to sit in

the waiting room with my four kids (then 5, 4, 28 months, and 2 months) until we

got a chance to talk to him. I told him of all the fun we could have with our

play doh, cheetos and various other messy items. He bakced off problem was

fixed and we never had another problem with them. Too bad we have a different

provider now that hubby has a different job. ;-)

Dawn mom of 4, 7 and under, the youngest wcf

From: ANDREA FITTING

To: cfparents

Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 4:31 PM

Subject: Re: Re: HMO Hell!

Sara,

Document EVERYTHING! keep a record of the time you called, who you spoke to,

every question you ask and every answer and what time the calls ended. Also

document every call with the clinic and anyone else you speak to regarding any

thing CF related. keep copies of anything you send to anyone. Find out why

there is another pediatric pulmonologist listed in the directory if you can't go

to him. Also why it is so " confusing " these are supposed to be reference

materials for the customer, not brain surgery manuals. Ask for copies of the

letters that both docs wrote for you. If you pay for Zach's care out of pocket

make sure you keep all the reciepts, the insurance company may have to pay you

back! One thing that is effective is this, tell them that you are sure that

zach will end up in the hospital if he continues to be seen by someone who is

not used to handling CF infants..a hospital stay of less than 2 weeks for my

daughter costs somewhere around $20,000. That's a lot of cash.....

Also if you do not get a satisfactory answer to your question or request ask

to speak to a supervisor. If one is not available ask to speak to that

supervisor's supervisor. Don't take " I don't know why " or " no " for an answer.

Also they usually have " member advocates " or something like this title who can

help too.

Hope I've helped

Re: HMO Hell!

Hi ,

We have been working with a nurse case manager since Zach's

diagnosis. She has been quite helpful until today. I asked if we

could get a referral to another pediatric pulmonologist that is

listed in our HMO provider directory. She explained that the

provider directory book is very " confusing " and that the lousy

doctor we already have is the only doctor we can go to in-network.

She reminded me that we are welcome to pay for these services out of

pocket. Big help.

My pediatrician and the pediatric pulmonologist, that we want Zach

to see, both wrote letters emphasizing that it is very important

that Zach sees a doctor who understands the special needs of cf

infants. My husband and I even wrote a letter documenting 7

concerns we had during our visit with the lousy doctor. With all of

that documentation we were still denied.

I am contacting our state department of insurance if our appeal is

also denied. In the mean time, we may pay for Zach's care out of

pocket.

Thanks for your advice. I will start documenting the phone calls.

That is something I have not been doing.

Sara - Mommy to Zach 14 months wcf

-- In cfparents , " " <codybug@C...> wrote:

> I would definitely report it. I would also call the insurance

company and

> talk to somebody IN CHARGE--NOT just one of the people who answer

the phone

> and say that it will be " looked into " . And call OFTEN!! This

advice comes

> from lots of experience! LOL LOL Try to always be polite, of

course,

> BUT....if they are rude to you, you have every right to complain

about that

> to another person there. Try having your regular pediatrician

write a

> letter to them stating the need for a doc that specializes in

infants with

> CF, if he will, too. Also, document each and every call to them,

and each

> and every call and visit to the doctor, and anything that negative

that

> results from the doc not doing something or doing the incorrect

thing. The

> more facts you can throw at them, the better.

>

> Good luck!

> S., mom to Cody (7, pwcf), DJ (8, nocf), and a (14,

nocf)

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Write a letter to Bob Beale, the CFF President, or better yet, pick up the

phone and call him at 1-800-FIGHTCF. You should be able to get through to

him, just tell the secretary that you are a CF parent. I did this several

years ago, and got right through to him.

Good Luck,

Amber

Nick's mom

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What state do you live in? In California there are 2 programs, one is CA

Children's Services, or CCS, for families who make under 40K/yr, the other is

GHPP, Genetically Handicapped Persons Program, this is for families who make

over 40K/yr, or for the adult who is 21 and over. these programs pay for

what the insurance companies don't. Check if your state has similar programs

to help you out with the bills, or try changing your PMG to be associated

with the other CF center 3 hours from your home.

Amber

Nick's mom

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Thanks for the info, but our great state of Illinois has already

turned us down for any financial assistance. We are at the mercy of

the HMO.

We are considering moving. My husband is a federal employee and he

can transfer if there is a job opening. It would be heartbreaking

to leave all of our friends and family, but the HMO has left us no

choice. Zach's health care must be a priority over anything else.

Sara

-- In cfparents , misybailey1@a... wrote:

> What state do you live in? In California there are 2 programs,

one is CA

> Children's Services, or CCS, for families who make under 40K/yr,

the other is

> GHPP, Genetically Handicapped Persons Program, this is for

families who make

> over 40K/yr, or for the adult who is 21 and over. these programs

pay for

> what the insurance companies don't. Check if your state has

similar programs

> to help you out with the bills, or try changing your PMG to be

associated

> with the other CF center 3 hours from your home.

>

> Amber

> Nick's mom

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