Guest guest Posted March 10, 2003 Report Share Posted March 10, 2003 Be careful with the serzone. It can cause liver damage if not monitered carefully. I was on it for 5 years and I was beginning to feel almost toxic. I loved the emotional leveling out. However, when I got off of it, my kidneys no longer hurt constantly, my joints didn't hurt constantly, etc. Lori Owen - Denton, Texas CHF 4/14/01 479 lbs. SRVG 7/16/01 401 lbs. Current Weight 335 Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce On Mon, 10 Mar 2003 21:45:13 -0000 " Corrine Grantwit " writes: > AN SSRI,SsERZONE IS WONDERFUL FOR ME. The doc givbes you a sample > pack with different dosagaes, YOU figure out what does you feel > best on, AM, PM, or a combination of both, and the dosage.. Then > call to say what you want, and get your scrip. I took Paxil befoe. > > The side effects of this one a far fewer. I have Seasonal affective > > disorder as well as chronic depression...I feel the best on this, > and I only take 37.5mg in the morning....breaaking a 75 in half. > Corrine > > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2003 Report Share Posted March 10, 2003 Be careful with the serzone. It can cause liver damage if not monitered carefully. I was on it for 5 years and I was beginning to feel almost toxic. I loved the emotional leveling out. However, when I got off of it, my kidneys no longer hurt constantly, my joints didn't hurt constantly, etc. Lori Owen - Denton, Texas CHF 4/14/01 479 lbs. SRVG 7/16/01 401 lbs. Current Weight 335 Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce On Mon, 10 Mar 2003 21:45:13 -0000 " Corrine Grantwit " writes: > AN SSRI,SsERZONE IS WONDERFUL FOR ME. The doc givbes you a sample > pack with different dosagaes, YOU figure out what does you feel > best on, AM, PM, or a combination of both, and the dosage.. Then > call to say what you want, and get your scrip. I took Paxil befoe. > > The side effects of this one a far fewer. I have Seasonal affective > > disorder as well as chronic depression...I feel the best on this, > and I only take 37.5mg in the morning....breaaking a 75 in half. > Corrine > > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 ceep, glad to hear from you. Take care and share those words of wisdom when you can. Lori Owen - Denton, Texas CHF 4/14/01 479 lbs. SRVG 7/16/01 401 lbs. Current Weight 335 Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:57:01 EST lacorona@... writes: > Hello dear brave souls: I have missed you, but have tried to read > your good, > funny and wise words every day. I don't have a lot of energy yet and > have > been waiting for something that I might be useful with to 'blow my > energy' so > to speak: > Two cent's worth: > Look, just like there is no 'bad' food, and no 'perfect' food, there > is no > 'bad' drug and no 'perfect' drug--I speak here of drugs and foods > that have > been cleared by FDA scrupulously to the best of their knowledge. > (And what I > heard in the subtext about questioning about one particular S. drug, > was just > concern and love that others be cautious--which is important to > question > about sideffects of Wellbutrin, Paxil, Zoloft and ALL the other > commonly > prescribed ssri's and psychtropic drugsas well; they all have > toxicity in > varying amounts, they all have contraindications, they all have side > effects > that vary depending on the person's chemicological and hormonal > make-up, > their age, their weight, etc. (there is more to this, but I am > trying to make > this brief--gotta save myself for walking to bathroom, combing hair, > > etc--grin) > > All food and drugs have side-effects. Yes, for some certain foods > draws water > out of the intestines and constipates, for others it loosens the > stools, some > people literally die from shellfish and/or peanut consumption; > others have > achy joints from any of the nightshade plants, including good old > potatoes. > Some consume alcohol and it causes grave liver problems, others > drink like > fish and die at age 99 from overexerting themselves in sexual > swinging in the > harness hanging from the chandelier. > > It is the same with drugs, and antidepressants. Some have this side > effect > with this one, but not so much with that one. Some suffer no or mild > side > effects. Others suffer high ones. Others moderate. Some suffer side > effects > they can live with, others have to learn to adapt to them, some > side-effects > certain persons just cannot live with (like a drug long ago that > turned > people's tongues and teeth black...great pharmacology, huh?) > > That's why we ALWAYS weigh " risk versus benefit. " For many years > lithium was > THE preferred drug for what used to be called manic-depressive > disorder. > People who took it HAD TO have a creatinine clearance test every few > weeks > for it affected some folks viscera. There was close monitoring in > those > cases, and truly, every shrink who prescribes ought to be asking > questions of > their patients on a regular basis, especially since some folks > occasionally > stop taking their meds all on their own, and most drugs have a > half-life with > their own side-effects. There are many drugs that WORK for people > that > require they be monitored in various ways. Many of these are LIFE > SAVING > drugs. > > So, the concern is understandable about ANY drug, and we have to do > the best > we can with our RISK VERSUS BENEFIT analysis, and go from there. > This is the > best medicine we know at this time. And I have not even gone into > here the > highly toxic chemo drugs, or the organ anti-rejection drugs, or the > profound > fertility drugs--all of which are potent and require careful > weighing and > monitoring. > > In all, I would say this: and I mean it so hard I might break into > flower as > I write this: Part, a part, a portion of what works, a piece, a > little to a > lot, some part, some mysterious force about what works for people--- > is their > belief in what works for them. And THAT has to be honored even if > other > people have other ideas, or different ones, or odd ones, or the > newest, > latest, most fantastical. In healing and helping, there is a > mysterious force > that belief and confidence in what one is doing definitely plays a > role. > This is all I have to say (for now)--grin > > And and all others here, hang in there. I see many moving in > new ways, > toward new answers, new goals, as I have been reading the list. You > deserve > nothing but praise. Keep going. > no lack of love, > ceep G-MOM > > > > > Subject: RE: : ANTIDEPRESSANTS > > > I don't understand the militancy about Serzone. Long-term or > excessive use of > MANY drugs, including the seemingly inocuous Tylenol, can and will > damage > your liver. In Europe, you can't buy Tylenol in boxes of more than > 10 because > so many people were committing suicide with it by destroying their > livers. > Think about THAT next time you shovel the 500 capsule tub of it into > your > cart at Costco. > > > > It seems to me that every doctor/patient pair needs to weigh the > known risks > of a drug against the potential benefits from it to make a decision > whether > or not to use a medication. There are many drugs with incredible > side effects > on the market because they can really help under certain conditions > (botox, > thalidomide, and the list goes on and on). And heck, even Viagra can > kill > you.. not exactly a life or death-necessity drug there. > > > > Z > > Open RNY 09/17/01 Weber > > 310/126 > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 ceep, glad to hear from you. Take care and share those words of wisdom when you can. Lori Owen - Denton, Texas CHF 4/14/01 479 lbs. SRVG 7/16/01 401 lbs. Current Weight 335 Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:57:01 EST lacorona@... writes: > Hello dear brave souls: I have missed you, but have tried to read > your good, > funny and wise words every day. I don't have a lot of energy yet and > have > been waiting for something that I might be useful with to 'blow my > energy' so > to speak: > Two cent's worth: > Look, just like there is no 'bad' food, and no 'perfect' food, there > is no > 'bad' drug and no 'perfect' drug--I speak here of drugs and foods > that have > been cleared by FDA scrupulously to the best of their knowledge. > (And what I > heard in the subtext about questioning about one particular S. drug, > was just > concern and love that others be cautious--which is important to > question > about sideffects of Wellbutrin, Paxil, Zoloft and ALL the other > commonly > prescribed ssri's and psychtropic drugsas well; they all have > toxicity in > varying amounts, they all have contraindications, they all have side > effects > that vary depending on the person's chemicological and hormonal > make-up, > their age, their weight, etc. (there is more to this, but I am > trying to make > this brief--gotta save myself for walking to bathroom, combing hair, > > etc--grin) > > All food and drugs have side-effects. Yes, for some certain foods > draws water > out of the intestines and constipates, for others it loosens the > stools, some > people literally die from shellfish and/or peanut consumption; > others have > achy joints from any of the nightshade plants, including good old > potatoes. > Some consume alcohol and it causes grave liver problems, others > drink like > fish and die at age 99 from overexerting themselves in sexual > swinging in the > harness hanging from the chandelier. > > It is the same with drugs, and antidepressants. Some have this side > effect > with this one, but not so much with that one. Some suffer no or mild > side > effects. Others suffer high ones. Others moderate. Some suffer side > effects > they can live with, others have to learn to adapt to them, some > side-effects > certain persons just cannot live with (like a drug long ago that > turned > people's tongues and teeth black...great pharmacology, huh?) > > That's why we ALWAYS weigh " risk versus benefit. " For many years > lithium was > THE preferred drug for what used to be called manic-depressive > disorder. > People who took it HAD TO have a creatinine clearance test every few > weeks > for it affected some folks viscera. There was close monitoring in > those > cases, and truly, every shrink who prescribes ought to be asking > questions of > their patients on a regular basis, especially since some folks > occasionally > stop taking their meds all on their own, and most drugs have a > half-life with > their own side-effects. There are many drugs that WORK for people > that > require they be monitored in various ways. Many of these are LIFE > SAVING > drugs. > > So, the concern is understandable about ANY drug, and we have to do > the best > we can with our RISK VERSUS BENEFIT analysis, and go from there. > This is the > best medicine we know at this time. And I have not even gone into > here the > highly toxic chemo drugs, or the organ anti-rejection drugs, or the > profound > fertility drugs--all of which are potent and require careful > weighing and > monitoring. > > In all, I would say this: and I mean it so hard I might break into > flower as > I write this: Part, a part, a portion of what works, a piece, a > little to a > lot, some part, some mysterious force about what works for people--- > is their > belief in what works for them. And THAT has to be honored even if > other > people have other ideas, or different ones, or odd ones, or the > newest, > latest, most fantastical. In healing and helping, there is a > mysterious force > that belief and confidence in what one is doing definitely plays a > role. > This is all I have to say (for now)--grin > > And and all others here, hang in there. I see many moving in > new ways, > toward new answers, new goals, as I have been reading the list. You > deserve > nothing but praise. Keep going. > no lack of love, > ceep G-MOM > > > > > Subject: RE: : ANTIDEPRESSANTS > > > I don't understand the militancy about Serzone. Long-term or > excessive use of > MANY drugs, including the seemingly inocuous Tylenol, can and will > damage > your liver. In Europe, you can't buy Tylenol in boxes of more than > 10 because > so many people were committing suicide with it by destroying their > livers. > Think about THAT next time you shovel the 500 capsule tub of it into > your > cart at Costco. > > > > It seems to me that every doctor/patient pair needs to weigh the > known risks > of a drug against the potential benefits from it to make a decision > whether > or not to use a medication. There are many drugs with incredible > side effects > on the market because they can really help under certain conditions > (botox, > thalidomide, and the list goes on and on). And heck, even Viagra can > kill > you.. not exactly a life or death-necessity drug there. > > > > Z > > Open RNY 09/17/01 Weber > > 310/126 > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 CEEP!! I am SO glad you're back that I have tears in my eyes!! Sending you lots of strength from up here... I don't need it... I don't even have any work to do here at work today. :-) Love, Ziobro Open RNY 09/17/01 310/126 ANTIDEPRESSANTS Hello dear brave souls: I have missed you, but have tried to read your good, funny and wise words every day. I don't have a lot of energy yet and have been waiting for something that I might be useful with to 'blow my energy' so to speak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 CEEP!! I am SO glad you're back that I have tears in my eyes!! Sending you lots of strength from up here... I don't need it... I don't even have any work to do here at work today. :-) Love, Ziobro Open RNY 09/17/01 310/126 ANTIDEPRESSANTS Hello dear brave souls: I have missed you, but have tried to read your good, funny and wise words every day. I don't have a lot of energy yet and have been waiting for something that I might be useful with to 'blow my energy' so to speak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 Ceep, you couldn't be more right. I work at a grade school. Sometimes when the children come in, you know the ones, they get sick before a test, someone picked on them at recess and now they don't feel good, they are tired, what ever the non-serious problem is....I give them my strong medicine. This pill is very strong, made for adults, so I can only give them half and that half a pill when chewed up will certainly take away the headache, tummy ache, mysterious I don't feel goods. After taking this strong medicine 99% of the time the child can make it through the rest of the day. What is this amazing pill?......1/2 a Tums. Obviously depression is more serious, but you are so right that ones belief makes a differance. If I told these children this pill wasn't very strong and probably wouldn't work, I'd bet I'd see them later in the day not feeling well again. KathyM In all, I would say this: and I mean it so hard I might break into flower as I write this: Part, a part, a portion of what works, a piece, a little to a lot, some part, some mysterious force about what works for people--- is their belief in what works for them. And THAT has to be honored even if other people have other ideas, or different ones, or odd ones, or the newest, latest, most fantastical. In healing and helping, there is a mysterious force that belief and confidence in what one is doing definitely plays a role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 Ceep, you couldn't be more right. I work at a grade school. Sometimes when the children come in, you know the ones, they get sick before a test, someone picked on them at recess and now they don't feel good, they are tired, what ever the non-serious problem is....I give them my strong medicine. This pill is very strong, made for adults, so I can only give them half and that half a pill when chewed up will certainly take away the headache, tummy ache, mysterious I don't feel goods. After taking this strong medicine 99% of the time the child can make it through the rest of the day. What is this amazing pill?......1/2 a Tums. Obviously depression is more serious, but you are so right that ones belief makes a differance. If I told these children this pill wasn't very strong and probably wouldn't work, I'd bet I'd see them later in the day not feeling well again. KathyM In all, I would say this: and I mean it so hard I might break into flower as I write this: Part, a part, a portion of what works, a piece, a little to a lot, some part, some mysterious force about what works for people--- is their belief in what works for them. And THAT has to be honored even if other people have other ideas, or different ones, or odd ones, or the newest, latest, most fantastical. In healing and helping, there is a mysterious force that belief and confidence in what one is doing definitely plays a role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2003 Report Share Posted March 12, 2003 Regina, we have permission for the Tums. At the start of the school year we get permission for everything under the sun (tylenol, cough drops, tums, motrin, etc). There is a vast differance between public and private schools. We can even give our children {gasp} hugs. The public schools in our area have a " zero touching " policy. In my opinion this " zero touching " is going to harm a child much more than 1/2 a tums, a hug and words of encouragement. I don't worry the least bit that 1/2 tums a couple of times a year will cause drug addicts. KathyM > Sometimes when the children come in, you > know the ones, they get sick before a test, someone > picked on them > at recess and now they don't feel good, they are tired, > what ever > the non-serious problem is....I give them my strong > medicine. This > pill is very strong, made for adults, so I can only give > them half > and that half a pill when chewed up will certainly take > away the > headache, tummy ache, mysterious I don't feel goods. > After taking > this strong medicine 99% of the time the child can make > it through > the rest of the day. What is this amazing > pill?......1/2 a Tums. > > Kathy: > > I'm sure what you're doing with the Tums for the children in your class > is with the best of intentions, but be careful. Have to admit if I found > out a teacher was giving my kids 1/2 a Tums at school I would not be > what you would call, " thrilled " . I understand completely about their > anxiety symptoms and my son is going through the same thing right now, > (I pray we live through 4th grade), but I don't support giving the kids > a " pill " to make them feel better. You may be starting something that > may become habit forming later on in their lives with real drugs. > > I'm not looking to start an argument or anything like that, but you have > to protect yourself too, especially with what's been going on in the > schools these days. I don't know where you live, but here on Long > Island, our school nurse can't even give the kids Tylenol without a > doctors note. Please be careful. > > Regina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2003 Report Share Posted March 12, 2003 Regina, we have permission for the Tums. At the start of the school year we get permission for everything under the sun (tylenol, cough drops, tums, motrin, etc). There is a vast differance between public and private schools. We can even give our children {gasp} hugs. The public schools in our area have a " zero touching " policy. In my opinion this " zero touching " is going to harm a child much more than 1/2 a tums, a hug and words of encouragement. I don't worry the least bit that 1/2 tums a couple of times a year will cause drug addicts. KathyM > Sometimes when the children come in, you > know the ones, they get sick before a test, someone > picked on them > at recess and now they don't feel good, they are tired, > what ever > the non-serious problem is....I give them my strong > medicine. This > pill is very strong, made for adults, so I can only give > them half > and that half a pill when chewed up will certainly take > away the > headache, tummy ache, mysterious I don't feel goods. > After taking > this strong medicine 99% of the time the child can make > it through > the rest of the day. What is this amazing > pill?......1/2 a Tums. > > Kathy: > > I'm sure what you're doing with the Tums for the children in your class > is with the best of intentions, but be careful. Have to admit if I found > out a teacher was giving my kids 1/2 a Tums at school I would not be > what you would call, " thrilled " . I understand completely about their > anxiety symptoms and my son is going through the same thing right now, > (I pray we live through 4th grade), but I don't support giving the kids > a " pill " to make them feel better. You may be starting something that > may become habit forming later on in their lives with real drugs. > > I'm not looking to start an argument or anything like that, but you have > to protect yourself too, especially with what's been going on in the > schools these days. I don't know where you live, but here on Long > Island, our school nurse can't even give the kids Tylenol without a > doctors note. Please be careful. > > Regina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2003 Report Share Posted March 12, 2003 Not offened, just amazed. I have a hard time believing the lunacy that goes on in public schools. You need a Dr.'s note to give a tylenol? In Phoenix public schools are staffed by a nurse of at least a LPN and they can't give OTC meds with out doctors note. They have on campus police officers, kids are getting kicked out of school for daring to use a fork and knife to properly eat lunch. Holly Cow, where have we gone wrong. Our kids are given a fork and KNIFE at lunch. Sorry if I sounded overly offended, I honestly wasn't. Just a bit of a hot button. KathyM > Kathy: > > Glad to hear that you have permission for all those things to help the > kids, including hugs. Pretty sad when you have to get permission to give > a child who needs a hug a hug. > > Like I said, I didn't mean to imply that you were creating drug addicts > by giving them Tums. I was actually more concerned for you legal wise by > giving them the Tums. Like I said, we can't even give permission to the > nurse for Tylenol, there has to be a doctors note along with it. As long > as you have the parents permission to do what you do, then you're > covered. > > Like I said, didn't want to start a war or offend you in any way. > > Regina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2003 Report Share Posted March 12, 2003 Not offened, just amazed. I have a hard time believing the lunacy that goes on in public schools. You need a Dr.'s note to give a tylenol? In Phoenix public schools are staffed by a nurse of at least a LPN and they can't give OTC meds with out doctors note. They have on campus police officers, kids are getting kicked out of school for daring to use a fork and knife to properly eat lunch. Holly Cow, where have we gone wrong. Our kids are given a fork and KNIFE at lunch. Sorry if I sounded overly offended, I honestly wasn't. Just a bit of a hot button. KathyM > Kathy: > > Glad to hear that you have permission for all those things to help the > kids, including hugs. Pretty sad when you have to get permission to give > a child who needs a hug a hug. > > Like I said, I didn't mean to imply that you were creating drug addicts > by giving them Tums. I was actually more concerned for you legal wise by > giving them the Tums. Like I said, we can't even give permission to the > nurse for Tylenol, there has to be a doctors note along with it. As long > as you have the parents permission to do what you do, then you're > covered. > > Like I said, didn't want to start a war or offend you in any way. > > Regina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2003 Report Share Posted April 16, 2003 Karyn, I remember one more thing that happened when I was going through my first " bout " of panc. in 1993 -- undiagnosed at that time! The dr. suggested I take wellbutrin. I asked her what that was for. She said something like, " it will help you feel better and ease the pain " - implying it was a pain killer! Now, as I look back, it was to help me (and my family/friends) deal with the INSANITY caused by this PAIN!!! I was NOT losing my mind and DREAMING up these symptoms!!! Cecilia Cecilia soce@... Mesa, Arizona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2003 Report Share Posted April 17, 2003 In a message dated 4/17/2003 12:05:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, soce@... writes: Cassie takes wellbutrin. They are trying for a combination of things, depression, pain and ADHD works ok for her depression, she says it keeps the pain at bay enough for school but sucks for the ADHD. Patty Hurst Bangor, ME Mane State Rep PAI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2003 Report Share Posted April 17, 2003 I didn't find the wellbutrin to help my ADD at all but did wonders for my depression and some of my anxiety. I'm now taking adderall along with my wellbutrin for the ADD. The addreall had done amazing things for me but I know it's not for everyone. Aparently it has some components of amphetamines in it and after taking it you can tell!! My dosage had to be decreased because I couldn't get to sleep at night! Now that I'm at a good dose it's really doing a good job for me. Just my two cents. Peace, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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