drooling

[Guest guest]

Nell,

My son has no mercury exposure unless you count the fillings I have. He has

never been vaccinated. He too is HFA/ Aspergers.

Biomed treatments have been really great for him. All kids are different so,

of course, there is no guarantee they would help but if she doesn't try, he

has little chance of improvement.

I have not done it yet, but I think carnotine and/or carnosine is what is

rec. for hypotonia.

Good luck to her.

Robin

[Guest guest]

I have a friend whose (NT) son had his tonsils removed at age 5 because they

were enlarged to the point his breathing was impaired. He drooled

constantly with his mouth open and soaked his shirts. It finally took a

dentist to notice the problem and after surgery he was fine.

Serena

12/28/03 3:53 PM, " lanellici@... " <lanellici@...> wrote:

> I have a friend with a 7 yo, Asperger's, who has a serious drooling problem.

> He's cognitively brilliant with hypotonia. The neuros say it's either

> diminished swallow reflex or low tone in his facial muscles or both. Zinc

> didn't help.

> My friend is not doing any biomed interventions because he's had no merc

> exposure and doesn't seem to have any digestive problems. Anybody got any

> ideas?

>

> Nell

>

>

[Guest guest]

We too are having a drooling problem, we've experienced it in the past, but now

recently we have it non-stop again. The reading I've done recently indicates it

might be a histamine issue. If this is true, we're hoping the Calcium Butyrate

will alleviate this. That is not the main reason we are going to use the Calcium

Butyrate, it does great things for kids that need it, but the drooling cleared

up will be a nice side effect. Histamine is also related to mood swings, and

other allergic issues. AS THE MUCUS MEMBRANES OF THE GASTROINTESTINAL TRACT

DETERIORATE, LEAKY GUT DEVELOPS. THE MORE LEAKY THE GUT, THE MORE UNDIGESTED

PROTEINS PASS THROUGH THE INTESTINAL MEMBRANES AND THE MORE INVOLVED THE WHITE

BLOOD CELLS WILL BECOME TO STOP THESE UNWANTED BYPRODUCTS FROM ENTERING THE

BLOOD SUPPLY. THIS WHOLE REACTION CAUSES THE MAST CELLS IN THE IMMUNE SYSTEM TO

SECRETE HISTAMINE. IgE AND IL-6 LEVELS ALSO INCREASE. THIS AGGRAVATES AND

OBSTRUCTS RECOVERY. The Calcium Butyrate helps gets the histamine levels where

they should be. If our drooling clears up on it, I'll let you know. The Calcium

Butyrate is the last thing we'll add for a couple of weeks, and every other

supplement has been given to him steadily for at least a week or more now, so I

feel pretty good that if his diet and exposures stay the same, we'll be able to

isolate his reactions good and bad to the calcium butyrate.

drooling

I have a friend with a 7 yo, Asperger's, who has a serious drooling problem.

He's cognitively brilliant with hypotonia. The neuros say it's either

diminished swallow reflex or low tone in his facial muscles or both. Zinc

didn't help.

My friend is not doing any biomed interventions because he's had no merc

exposure and doesn't seem to have any digestive problems. Anybody got any

ideas?

Nell

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[Guest guest]

> I have a friend with a 7 yo, Asperger's, who has a serious drooling problem.

> He's cognitively brilliant with hypotonia.

Try carnitine for hypotonia.

> My friend is not doing any biomed interventions because he's had no merc

> exposure and doesn't seem to have any digestive problems. Anybody got any

ideas?

Still consider biomed. My son did not *appear* to have digestive problems, but

he sure did once I started biomed.

It might not be mercury for this child, it might be antimony, lead, virus, or a

few other things.

Dana

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/29/03 10:45:22 AM, danasview@... writes:

<< Still consider biomed. My son did not *appear* to have digestive

problems, but he sure did once I started biomed. >>

Thanks Dana, Serena, Robin.... I forwarded on your suggestions. I've been

nagging my friend to try enzymes for months, maybe someday....

Nell

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/29/03 3:56:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,

lanellici@... writes:

> Thanks Dana, Serena, Robin.... I forwarded on your suggestions. I've been

> nagging my friend to try enzymes for months, maybe someday....

>

> Nell

Nell,

Thanks. We didn't think had digestive problems either. In fact, four

years ago when I mentioned the diet, his play therapist told me I was wasting

my time since he didn't have digestion problems.

If your friend ever wants to call me, have her e-mail me privately and we can

exchange numbers but make sure she puts something specific in the subject

line so I won't delete her message without reading it--like " from the enzyme

list " or something like that.

Robin

Robin

[Guest guest]

Any ideas to stop the drooling? Have enzymes helped anyone

with it?

>

> Nell

>

My daughter was a huge drooler starting at 6 months and didn't

stop to we took gluten out of her diet at around 2 yrs (2 1/2 now).

Now I notice she drools if she has a lot of rice. Not very scientific

but I also read in Doris Rapp's Is This Your Child? that drooling

can be related to a food allergy.

Hope this helps,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Don't know a about the drooling right off, but my younger son gets

very chapped lips in the winter. Chapstick on the lips really helps.

You can try putting some on at bedtime to help the immediate skin

problem. Just wondering...is she on any mineral supps at the moment?

.

[Guest guest]

No, the only thing she is taking right now in addition to the

Dexadrine is Magnesium.

I put Oil Of Olay on her twice a day (morning and night), her lips

don't get chapped, it is just one cheek that suffers.

>

> Don't know a about the drooling right off, but my younger son gets

> very chapped lips in the winter. Chapstick on the lips really

helps.

> You can try putting some on at bedtime to help the immediate skin

> problem. Just wondering...is she on any mineral supps at the

moment?

>

> .

[Guest guest]

Hi

Drooling came up some time ago. My notes say:

“My son was a chronic drooler, up until age 5 when we began the calcium

butyrate. [The calcium butyrate had been prescribed to help with an

ammonia issue.] The drooling took a while to lessen, and in fact had

periods where it would flare briefly, then it was gone completely. He

doesn't even produce excessive saliva, as some kids do. This went a long

way to improving his pronunciation as well as facilitating his social

interactions. ALICIA”

My son used to drool a lot when he was a baby though doesn’t any more.

Out of interest, I asked at the local health food shop about

availability but was told calcium butyrate is only available from a

pharmacy with a script (this is in Australia – so might be different

where you are).

Hope this helps

drooling

Can someone here suggest something I can do or give to my daughter

who is an excessive nighttime drooler? Right now with it being

winter and her drooling it is causing severe dry skin to the point

to where it looks like a minor chemical burn right around her lower

lip and cheek. I put moisturizer on her face for the dryness, but

would like to stop the drooling. Any suggestions????

[Guest guest]

That was from me. Turns out we had a clostridia problem, for which one of

the byproducts is excess ammonia, related into a histamine problem and gave

us the drooling. Took Calcium butyrate, it scavenged up all the excess

ammonia, histamine problem disappeared and drooling stopped. Also rages,

some behavioral issues. It was great. Researching calcium butyrate and some

of the problems associated with excess ammonia in the system should indicate

to you whether or not this is a problem for your child.

drooling

Can someone here suggest something I can do or give to my daughter

who is an excessive nighttime drooler? Right now with it being

winter and her drooling it is causing severe dry skin to the point

to where it looks like a minor chemical burn right around her lower

lip and cheek. I put moisturizer on her face for the dryness, but

would like to stop the drooling. Any suggestions????

[Guest guest]

Hey:

I'm nursing and pumping probiotics and fish oil and selenium and etc and

taking enzymes and not vaccinating and etc etc and my 5 month old son has 2

teeth and is getting 4 more. He drools a little, like from making

raspberries or from making kissing noises, but yeah I would have to say he

doesn't really drool. So many of the outfits come with little bibs and I

never use them.

That said, my daughter, the one w/the leaky gut (not ASD diagnosis, but on

all the ASD supps including B12 shots, late speech late gross motor some

sensory now just about fine except for all the supps to keep her there)

didn't really drool much either.

Of course SHE spit up all the time and he doesn't; and she didn't put

ANYTHING in her mouth (which at first we thought was a good thing) whereas

he tries to eat and grab everything. I can totally relate to the

comparisons and learning things about the first child in retrospect. He is

doing a couple of things right now that she didn't do until she was about 2

yrs old. And of course as well as he is doing and as healthy as he seems, I

am always looking at him wondering if I am missing something or if the other

shoe will drop. I guess the GOOD part of this is how much you can 'fix'

when you find the right support (in our case all biomed no traditional

therapies). I spent this afternoon watching through a window as my daughter

(3.5) did a yoga class w/12 other 3-5 yr olds - following directions,

talking to the other kids, and learning all the little poses and running out

when it was over to give me a big hug and say " I love you mommy. " There

were plenty of days when I wondered whether she would ever even talk.

Josie

Drooling

Hi, Everyone. I was wondering, has anyone else experienced a certain

phenomenon, or lack thereof. My son ( ph age 7) drooled a lot, and I

mean soaked 15 bibs a day, saw specialists, etc. until he was over 3 years

old. His drooling decreased as we introduced certain things, and removed

certain things, but it was always there. Until, we discovered his histamine

issue, clostridia/bacteria issue and the Calcium Butyrate took his drooling

away completely. But, his drooling started when he was an infant. So, it

appeared normal, they get their first teeth, they fuss, they drool, it's

when the drooling didn't go away, became excessive, that we became worried.

But, like I said, now it's gone, has been for awhile. Fast forward 3 years,

, my 9 mo. old, doesn't drool. She has 4 teeth, 2 new ones coming in

now, and no drool, and no fussiness. When I say none, I mean not a drop. She

produces spit on purpose, to mimic raspberries, etc., but she doesn't drool.

I have to ask, anyone else out there, not vaccinating yet, and taking

enzymes while nursing, and experiencing this lack of fussiness and lack of

drooling? Is this just a case of a different child, so different growing

experiences. I understand all children are different, but these are just two

such extremes.

[Guest guest]

Josie,

I just loved reading about your daughter in dance class! I'm so

happy she is able to do so much--she sounds like my son now with his

gross motor delays, no talking (yet I hope!), some sensory--just now

mouthing objects like my 16 mo. is, taking supplements, no dx on the

spectrum, leaky gut possibilities. I tell you, reading these kinds

of stories gives me hope.

Thanks so much,

>

> Hey:

>

>

>

> I'm nursing and pumping probiotics and fish oil and selenium and

etc and

> taking enzymes and not vaccinating and etc etc and my 5 month old

son has 2

> teeth and is getting 4 more. He drools a little, like from making

> raspberries or from making kissing noises, but yeah I would have

to say he

> doesn't really drool. So many of the outfits come with little

bibs and I

> never use them.

>

>

>

> That said, my daughter, the one w/the leaky gut (not ASD

diagnosis, but on

> all the ASD supps including B12 shots, late speech late gross

motor some

> sensory now just about fine except for all the supps to keep her

there)

> didn't really drool much either.

>

>

>

> Of course SHE spit up all the time and he doesn't; and she didn't

put

> ANYTHING in her mouth (which at first we thought was a good thing)

whereas

> he tries to eat and grab everything. I can totally relate to the

> comparisons and learning things about the first child in

retrospect. He is

> doing a couple of things right now that she didn't do until she

was about 2

> yrs old. And of course as well as he is doing and as healthy as

he seems, I

> am always looking at him wondering if I am missing something or if

the other

> shoe will drop. I guess the GOOD part of this is how much you

can 'fix'

> when you find the right support (in our case all biomed no

traditional

> therapies). I spent this afternoon watching through a window as

my daughter

> (3.5) did a yoga class w/12 other 3-5 yr olds - following

directions,

> talking to the other kids, and learning all the little poses and

running out

> when it was over to give me a big hug and say " I love you mommy. "

There

> were plenty of days when I wondered whether she would ever even

talk.

>

>

>

> Josie

>

>

>

>

>

> Drooling

>

>

>

> Hi, Everyone. I was wondering, has anyone else experienced a

certain

> phenomenon, or lack thereof. My son ( ph age 7) drooled a lot,

and I

> mean soaked 15 bibs a day, saw specialists, etc. until he was over

3 years

> old. His drooling decreased as we introduced certain things, and

removed

> certain things, but it was always there. Until, we discovered his

histamine

> issue, clostridia/bacteria issue and the Calcium Butyrate took his

drooling

> away completely. But, his drooling started when he was an infant.

So, it

> appeared normal, they get their first teeth, they fuss, they

drool, it's

> when the drooling didn't go away, became excessive, that we became

worried.

> But, like I said, now it's gone, has been for awhile. Fast forward

3 years,

> , my 9 mo. old, doesn't drool. She has 4 teeth, 2 new ones

coming in

> now, and no drool, and no fussiness. When I say none, I mean not a

drop. She

> produces spit on purpose, to mimic raspberries, etc., but she

doesn't drool.

> I have to ask, anyone else out there, not vaccinating yet, and

taking

> enzymes while nursing, and experiencing this lack of fussiness and

lack of

> drooling? Is this just a case of a different child, so different

growing

> experiences. I understand all children are different, but these

are just two

> such extremes.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Our 3.5 little guy was a huge drooler! He drooled more as a 2 year old than he

did when he was one! Speech path gave us special straws to use, horns to blow,

applesauce to suck up through straws, etc. I think his drooling became worse!

One week with an ABA therapist who told him to " Stop drooling please, fix your

face... " and unbelievable! It actually worked!

I don't have to change his shirt 2-3 times a day because of the huge wet patch

that used to be constantly there...

[Guest guest]

Congratulations. That's wonderful. Both your munchkins are doing well, your days

must be flying by. Mine are. never really spit up either. Thank you for

sharing, how remarkable, especially considering what all the " experts " say with

regards to the subsequent siblings of Autistics.

Drooling

Hi, Everyone. I was wondering, has anyone else experienced a certain

phenomenon, or lack thereof. My son ( ph age 7) drooled a lot, and I

mean soaked 15 bibs a day, saw specialists, etc. until he was over 3 years

old. His drooling decreased as we introduced certain things, and removed

certain things, but it was always there. Until, we discovered his histamine

issue, clostridia/bacteria issue and the Calcium Butyrate took his drooling

away completely. But, his drooling started when he was an infant. So, it

appeared normal, they get their first teeth, they fuss, they drool, it's

when the drooling didn't go away, became excessive, that we became worried.

But, like I said, now it's gone, has been for awhile. Fast forward 3 years,

, my 9 mo. old, doesn't drool. She has 4 teeth, 2 new ones coming in

now, and no drool, and no fussiness. When I say none, I mean not a drop. She

produces spit on purpose, to mimic raspberries, etc., but she doesn't drool.

I have to ask, anyone else out there, not vaccinating yet, and taking

enzymes while nursing, and experiencing this lack of fussiness and lack of

drooling? Is this just a case of a different child, so different growing

experiences. I understand all children are different, but these are just two

such extremes.

[Guest guest]

>>Fast forward 3 years, , my 9 mo. old, doesn't drool. She has 4

teeth, 2 new ones coming in now, and no drool, and no fussiness.

None of my kids drooled, or were fussy, even when their teeth were

coming in.

Dana

[Guest guest]

I think that's wonderful that you were able to get your little one to stop

drooling with such a non-invasive tactic. My little one would get diarrhea from

swallowing so much saliva, so we stopped telling him to swallow it. His wasn't

lazy posture for his mouth, it was excessive saliva.

Re: Drooling

Our 3.5 little guy was a huge drooler! He drooled more as a 2 year old than

he did when he was one! Speech path gave us special straws to use, horns to

blow, applesauce to suck up through straws, etc. I think his drooling became

worse!

One week with an ABA therapist who told him to " Stop drooling please, fix

your face... " and unbelievable! It actually worked!

I don't have to change his shirt 2-3 times a day because of the huge wet

patch that used to be constantly there...

[Guest guest]

> >>Fast forward 3 years, , my 9 mo. old, doesn't drool. She has 4

> teeth, 2 new ones coming in now, and no drool, and no fussiness.

>

>

> None of my kids drooled, or were fussy, even when their teeth were

> coming in.

>

> Dana

Someone posted on another list that her child's drooling disappeared

with Valtrex, so it might be related to virus issues.

Dana

[Guest guest]

My daughter continues to drool. Is it common for children with

apraxia to drool? What can I do about it? She is way too old for

bibs (over 3 years old), but her shirts always end up soaked. She

always has a stream of drool hanging from her chin. The best advice I

have gotten so far is having her wear sweat bands and telling her to

wipe her drool on them. She does not do this independently.

I would love some advice on how to help my daughter stop drooling.

Stacey

[Guest guest]

hi! my son had a SEVERE problem with drooling up until about 8 months ago and he

is almost 4 now. jacob's slp worked with him teaching him little exercises like

blowing a peice of cotton with a straw across the table, raising his tongueto

touch i\his upper lip and then down to his chin, pucker (blow kisses) and smile

repeated over & over) and taking like a tongue depresser or popcicle stick and

holding it right outside of his mouth and make him press his tongue against it.

she just worked with him on increasing his muscle tone in his mouth being that

he was not using the muscles to talk with, so she helped him strengthen them.

once he reached that goal, the drooling finally subsided. and yes, i would have

to take a clean set of clothes with me anywhere we went so that i could change

his shirt a couple of times b/c it would get ringing wet. i have family

portraits that we had taken last year and just before we took them i changed

jacob's shirt, and by the time the lady got

to his individual pic. his shirt was soaked, she even caught the string of

drool hanging down in the pic. lol. i hope that this has helped you.

's Mom

Leah

With Love Always,

Tommie Leah

[ ] drooling

My daughter continues to drool. Is it common for children with

apraxia to drool? What can I do about it? She is way too old for

bibs (over 3 years old), but her shirts always end up soaked. She

always has a stream of drool hanging from her chin. The best advice I

have gotten so far is having her wear sweat bands and telling her to

wipe her drool on them. She does not do this independently.

I would love some advice on how to help my daughter stop drooling.

Stacey

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi Stacey,

My son turned 5 last month and drools also. We have been working a lot with

muscle strenghtening with his SLP, we are also using a facial vibrator (I got

mine from wal mart fpr $5.00), to try to stimulate blood circulation and bring

sensitivity to his chin. However a couple of weeks ago, as we were talking

about it at school during the IEP meeting, his SLP from school suggested if I

had ever tried Electrical Stimulation. Well, from that day, I started to pay

attention and noticed that my son does not swallow his saliva, so we are going

to try it in January. I know exactly what you are talking about, I usually

bring 3 clean shirts with me when we go out, and it seems like it will never

stop... I have to mention that his levels of Carnitine were very low, that

explaining the low muscle tone, and since I started supplementing, his droll has

reduced a little and he is moving a lot more his tongue. Have you checked your

daughter's levels? In order to reduce his

embarrasment about the bibs, I always use two, a fabric one and then one with a

plastic lining underneath his shirts to try to keep his chest dry for a couple

of hours, I found some good ones at Baby's 'r'us and Wall Mart that look like a

t-shirt arround the neck, because was getting rashes arround his neck

from the other ones. From what I have seen, most kids with Apraxia stop

drooling with a lot of exercise, I am still going down that road... Feel free

to email me if you have any questions.

Deborah

stillyriver2003 <stillyriver2003@...> wrote:

My daughter continues to drool. Is it common for children with

apraxia to drool? What can I do about it? She is way too old for

bibs (over 3 years old), but her shirts always end up soaked. She

always has a stream of drool hanging from her chin. The best advice I

have gotten so far is having her wear sweat bands and telling her to

wipe her drool on them. She does not do this independently.

I would love some advice on how to help my daughter stop drooling.

Stacey

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

my thoughts...I relate drooling to one of two things...acute exposure

to mercury or excessive dumping of mercury & think this is related to

a tendency (at least for my girl) to " deposit " the mercury in her jaw

area....this is based on hindsite & the super drooling my 3yo did as

an newborn/infant, and sporadically thereafter. it remains

my " working theory " still. ...and this drooling was NOT related to

teething....can't prove it, but definitely believe this was the case

with her....As a toddler & me with new info " in hand, " providing her

with supportive foods & (me) taking supportive supplements (she was

nursing) helped immensely with this. Related thought...I also did

things like eliminated mobilizing type foods/herbs/etc - broccoli &

cilantro for both of us...I stopped taking spirulina...come to mind,

and so on....

wishing you the best answers

elizabeth

>

> Hi Folks

>

> All of a sudden my kid has started drooling.

> I know he is battling yeast and yeast related constipation.

> I thought I had him on max Zinc (80mg zinc and he weighs 40lb).

He was chewing on his shirt at 60mg zinc and he has been on 80mg zinc

for couple of months without chewing his shirt.

>

> Any thoughts on what might cause drooling?

>

> Thanks

> Shanthi

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with

Autos.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I drool when I eat too many sulfur foods - they pull the mercury out.

Usually I just back off on the sulferous foods for a few days and it goes

away.

-Lana

On 10/3/07, Shanthi Kalpat <skalpat@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Folks

>

> All of a sudden my kid has started drooling.

> I know he is battling yeast and yeast related constipation.

> I thought I had him on max Zinc (80mg zinc and he weighs 40lb). He was

> chewing on his shirt at 60mg zinc and he has been on 80mg zinc for couple of

> months without chewing his shirt.

>

> Any thoughts on what might cause drooling?

>

> Thanks

> Shanthi

>

[Guest guest]

high histamine issues/ammonia.

Drooling

Hi Folks

All of a sudden my kid has started drooling.

I know he is battling yeast and yeast related constipation.

I thought I had him on max Zinc (80mg zinc and he weighs 40lb). He was chewing

on his shirt at 60mg zinc and he has been on 80mg zinc for couple of months

without chewing his shirt.

Any thoughts on what might cause drooling?

Thanks

Shanthi

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[Guest guest]

I have read that drooling can be a magnesium deficiency.

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