Re: Red cheeks, red ears, eczema

[Guest guest]

,

I'm not sure if you were annoyed by my post or what, as I can't quite understand

the tone of yours. If I am being overly sensitive, I appologize in advance.

I premised those statements with " most likely " for 3 reasons....1, because of

exactly what you say....millions of people do suffer from these issues, and

naturally this won't be the cause for everyone...2, because the limited number

of people contributing to this thread seem to feel stongly that their children

have a metal/yeast/viral/intolerance problem going on and THEY are who I was

addressing...and 3, because I don't have the time to get into the entire

explanation of why I believe that to be true or site the science to support it.

I simply put it out there...If someone wants to pursue that, they are free to

research for themselves and/or simply ask. They are also free to completely

ignore it.

I have belonged to this board for 3 years, and I couldn't agree with you more

that the tone and topics change all the time. For most who do biomed, it is a

springboard to the other boards that go more in depth about it. You seem to be

implying that by discussing biomed we are somehow making parents not opting to

go that route feel guilty, and should therefore not discuss it? Or that we

should censor ourselves more? Please clarify, as I'm not sure what you're

saying.

I do not claim to have all the answers to getting all children well, and I never

have. Naturally a child off of milk who isn't benefitting from it probably

shouldn't have it restricted. None of these interventions are universal...what

works for one child may not work for another. Hence, the word, " likely " .

But I must say, without the introduction to biomed from this very list, I might

never have gotten my own daughter better. It would be a shame to limit our

discussions of it to protect people's feelings. I never did anything verbatim

based on what anyone here told me, and I never felt guilty for not taking

someone's advice. My listmates simply opened the doors for me to do my own

research to find what worked for MY child. No parent or list member should do

otherwise.

-------------- Original message --------------

From: " karen_peikert " <jkpeikert@...>

The following statements seem a little broad, particularly that they

are premised by " most likely " .

Eczema/Red cheeks...most likely a yeast problem caused by a metal

problem.

Red Ears....most likely a phenol intolerance.

Black eyes....most likely a leaky gut problem, evidence of food

intolerances.

Literally tens of millions of people have eczema - worldwide. It

seems unlikely that they all have metal problems. Maybe dietary

insufficiencies? For the person who has had their child off of milk

for a full year but there has been no improvement, is there a good

reason to then stay off the milk?

Many of these issues - like milk intolerance - make an appearance on

the boards in regular cycles. One person thinks it has helped their

child to go off milk, and then many either think they need to go off

milk or feel guilty because they don't. Being GFCF has been around in

the autism circles for quite some time - if it were universally

beneficial, we would certainly know about it. Some children are

helped, some are not.

When a certain 'tpye' of discussion dominates the board, many begin to

feel that they are the only ones who are not pursuing a particular

route. Usually it is the other way around - when a topic is of

relevance and interest to your child, a small group of people are

completely engaged in the conversation. The majority are then quiet

until a new topic starts to gain steam. Right now the topics seem to

be GFCF, milk, flouride, yeast, gut issues, etc. If past experience

is any indication, next month, it will probably be something

completely different.

Eczema/Red cheeks...most likely a yeast problem caused by a metal

problem.

Red Ears....most likely a phenol intolerance.

Black eyes....most likely a leaky gut problem, evidence of food

intolerances.

-------------- Original message --------------

> From: Liz <lizlaw@...>

> Is this a metal thing, a milk thing, or some other thing? Both kids had

> this. We thought it was a teething thing (the cheeks) .My reading tells

> me it is not a typical teething thing. I think in our case the cheeks

> were a metal thing exacerbated by the milk, and then the metal was

> trapped from the tylenol given. The red ears I could never get an

answer

> on. We left those alone. The eczema was left alone in daughter. In son

> they gave us, gulp, steroid cream. I now think the big eczemaoutbreak

> was an infection from a farm visit. It took a long time to go away and

> the first strong cream given made it worse.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I can say personally you opened my eyes to what is in front of me. I

suppose diet and fish oil and multivitamin fall under biomed so that is

what I am doing. Others have to go further, to chelation and other

methods. I am thankful that so far, that does not seem to be where we

are headed but who knows? I have had no true regression yet and things

seem brighter. However, any parent of one of our kids can tell you that

can change and for unknown reasons. I feel metal was the missing piece

of our puzzle and perhaps the biggest piece. I found it by accident and

by help, yours and this list's and for that I am eternally grateful!

Liz

julieobradovic@... wrote:

>,

>

>I'm not sure if you were annoyed by my post or what, as I can't quite

understand the tone of yours. If I am being overly sensitive, I appologize in

advance.

>

>I premised those statements with " most likely " for 3 reasons....1, because of

exactly what you say....millions of people do suffer from these issues, and

naturally this won't be the cause for everyone...2, because the limited number

of people contributing to this thread seem to feel stongly that their children

have a metal/yeast/viral/intolerance problem going on and THEY are who I was

addressing...and 3, because I don't have the time to get into the entire

explanation of why I believe that to be true or site the science to support it.

I simply put it out there...If someone wants to pursue that, they are free to

research for themselves and/or simply ask. They are also free to completely

ignore it.

>

>I have belonged to this board for 3 years, and I couldn't agree with you more

that the tone and topics change all the time. For most who do biomed, it is a

springboard to the other boards that go more in depth about it. You seem to be

implying that by discussing biomed we are somehow making parents not opting to

go that route feel guilty, and should therefore not discuss it? Or that we

should censor ourselves more? Please clarify, as I'm not sure what you're

saying.

>

>I do not claim to have all the answers to getting all children well, and I

never have. Naturally a child off of milk who isn't benefitting from it probably

shouldn't have it restricted. None of these interventions are universal...what

works for one child may not work for another. Hence, the word, " likely " .

>

>But I must say, without the introduction to biomed from this very list, I might

never have gotten my own daughter better. It would be a shame to limit our

discussions of it to protect people's feelings. I never did anything verbatim

based on what anyone here told me, and I never felt guilty for not taking

someone's advice. My listmates simply opened the doors for me to do my own

research to find what worked for MY child. No parent or list member should do

otherwise.

>

>

>

>

>

>-------------- Original message --------------

>From: " karen_peikert " <jkpeikert@...>

>The following statements seem a little broad, particularly that they

>are premised by " most likely " .

>

>Eczema/Red cheeks...most likely a yeast problem caused by a metal

>problem.

>Red Ears....most likely a phenol intolerance.

>Black eyes....most likely a leaky gut problem, evidence of food

>intolerances.

>

>Literally tens of millions of people have eczema - worldwide. It

>seems unlikely that they all have metal problems. Maybe dietary

>insufficiencies? For the person who has had their child off of milk

>for a full year but there has been no improvement, is there a good

>reason to then stay off the milk?

>

>Many of these issues - like milk intolerance - make an appearance on

>the boards in regular cycles. One person thinks it has helped their

>child to go off milk, and then many either think they need to go off

>milk or feel guilty because they don't. Being GFCF has been around in

>the autism circles for quite some time - if it were universally

>beneficial, we would certainly know about it. Some children are

>helped, some are not.

>

>When a certain 'tpye' of discussion dominates the board, many begin to

>feel that they are the only ones who are not pursuing a particular

>route. Usually it is the other way around - when a topic is of

>relevance and interest to your child, a small group of people are

>completely engaged in the conversation. The majority are then quiet

>until a new topic starts to gain steam. Right now the topics seem to

>be GFCF, milk, flouride, yeast, gut issues, etc. If past experience

>is any indication, next month, it will probably be something

>completely different.

>

>

>

>Eczema/Red cheeks...most likely a yeast problem caused by a metal

>problem.

>Red Ears....most likely a phenol intolerance.

>Black eyes....most likely a leaky gut problem, evidence of food

>intolerances.

>

[Guest guest]

Try the Paleolithic diet. I am starting to lean that way..

_____

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of atwood

Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 10:55 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Red cheeks, red ears, eczema

I don't know. I took him to the dr. yesterday and I asked him and he

wouldn't tell me what one thing could be that problem.. He said it could be

a huge number of things that causes it. He also said that it is very hard to

eliminate everything b/c so many of the tings it could can be in almost

everything he eats.

Liz <lizlawoptonline (DOT) <mailto:lizlaw%40optonline.net> net> wrote:

Could be lactose is not the problem but something else in the milk.

atwood wrote:

>I had to replace his milk with lactose free dairy. My son still has

problems with it.

>

> Zeissler <hzeissler@frontiern <mailto:hzeissler%40frontiernet.net>

et.net> wrote: I am not a medical professional.

>

>We are also off of soy and wheat. 1 of our speech therapists has her own

>kids off of citrus.

>

>What did you replace the milk with?

>

>We did water with occasional glasses of rice/almond milk. I then cook with

>the rice/almond milk.

>

>

>

>We are not on any sort of infant formula. He is still breast fed.

>

[Guest guest]

Very well said!

_____

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of

julieobradovic@...

Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 12:43 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Red cheeks, red ears, eczema

,

I'm not sure if you were annoyed by my post or what, as I can't quite

understand the tone of yours. If I am being overly sensitive, I appologize

in advance.

I premised those statements with " most likely " for 3 reasons....1, because

of exactly what you say....millions of people do suffer from these issues,

and naturally this won't be the cause for everyone...2, because the limited

number of people contributing to this thread seem to feel stongly that their

children have a metal/yeast/viral/intolerance problem going on and THEY are

who I was addressing...and 3, because I don't have the time to get into the

entire explanation of why I believe that to be true or site the science to

support it. I simply put it out there...If someone wants to pursue that,

they are free to research for themselves and/or simply ask. They are also

free to completely ignore it.

I have belonged to this board for 3 years, and I couldn't agree with you

more that the tone and topics change all the time. For most who do biomed,

it is a springboard to the other boards that go more in depth about it. You

seem to be implying that by discussing biomed we are somehow making parents

not opting to go that route feel guilty, and should therefore not discuss

it? Or that we should censor ourselves more? Please clarify, as I'm not sure

what you're saying.

I do not claim to have all the answers to getting all children well, and I

never have. Naturally a child off of milk who isn't benefitting from it

probably shouldn't have it restricted. None of these interventions are

universal...what works for one child may not work for another. Hence, the

word, " likely " .

But I must say, without the introduction to biomed from this very list, I

might never have gotten my own daughter better. It would be a shame to limit

our discussions of it to protect people's feelings. I never did anything

verbatim based on what anyone here told me, and I never felt guilty for not

taking someone's advice. My listmates simply opened the doors for me to do

my own research to find what worked for MY child. No parent or list member

should do otherwise.

-------------- Original message --------------

From: " karen_peikert " <jkpeikert@sbcglobal

<mailto:jkpeikert%40sbcglobal.net> .net>

The following statements seem a little broad, particularly that they

are premised by " most likely " .

Eczema/Red cheeks...most likely a yeast problem caused by a metal

problem.

Red Ears....most likely a phenol intolerance.

Black eyes....most likely a leaky gut problem, evidence of food

intolerances.

Literally tens of millions of people have eczema - worldwide. It

seems unlikely that they all have metal problems. Maybe dietary

insufficiencies? For the person who has had their child off of milk

for a full year but there has been no improvement, is there a good

reason to then stay off the milk?

Many of these issues - like milk intolerance - make an appearance on

the boards in regular cycles. One person thinks it has helped their

child to go off milk, and then many either think they need to go off

milk or feel guilty because they don't. Being GFCF has been around in

the autism circles for quite some time - if it were universally

beneficial, we would certainly know about it. Some children are

helped, some are not.

When a certain 'tpye' of discussion dominates the board, many begin to

feel that they are the only ones who are not pursuing a particular

route. Usually it is the other way around - when a topic is of

relevance and interest to your child, a small group of people are

completely engaged in the conversation. The majority are then quiet

until a new topic starts to gain steam. Right now the topics seem to

be GFCF, milk, flouride, yeast, gut issues, etc. If past experience

is any indication, next month, it will probably be something

completely different.

Eczema/Red cheeks...most likely a yeast problem caused by a metal

problem.

Red Ears....most likely a phenol intolerance.

Black eyes....most likely a leaky gut problem, evidence of food

intolerances.

-------------- Original message --------------

> From: Liz <lizlaw@...>

> Is this a metal thing, a milk thing, or some other thing? Both kids had

> this. We thought it was a teething thing (the cheeks) .My reading tells

> me it is not a typical teething thing. I think in our case the cheeks

> were a metal thing exacerbated by the milk, and then the metal was

> trapped from the tylenol given. The red ears I could never get an

answer

> on. We left those alone. The eczema was left alone in daughter. In son

> they gave us, gulp, steroid cream. I now think the big eczemaoutbreak

> was an infection from a farm visit. It took a long time to go away and

> the first strong cream given made it worse.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Lactose intolerance is usually found in adults. If kids have

problems with dairy it is usually the protein -- casein -- that is

causing them problems. It can cause almost addictive behavior in

some kids. In others it causes the villi in the GI tract to be

damaged.

IMO -- dairy should be avoided by all children until 1 year old.

Then gradually introduce and test to see if they can tolerate

consuming it on a regular basis.

Is

> >this a metal thing, a milk thing, or some other thing? Both kids

had

> >this. We thought it was a teething thing (the cheeks) .My reading

tells

> >me it is not a typical teething thing. I think in our case the

cheeks

> >were a metal thing exacerbated by the milk, and then the metal was

> >trapped from the tylenol given. The red ears I could never get an

answer

> >on. We left those alone. The eczema was left alone in daughter. In

son

> >they gave us, gulp, steroid cream. I now think the big

eczemaoutbreak

> >was an infection from a farm visit. It took a long time to go away

and

> >the first strong cream given made it worse.

> >

> >---------------------------------

> >Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your

pocket: mail,

> >news, photos & more.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

It is the casien in milk that affects our kids not necessarily the lactose

(which is a sugar). Lactaid and all of those other products do absolutely

nothing to help. The only thing that I find that helps is digestive enzymes

that specifically target casien. In addition, we still have reactions when we

have enzymes with milk products but they are less severe not eliminated

entirely. Each child is different and each response is different but that is

the case with us.

Janice

Re: [ ] Red cheeks, red ears, eczema

>

>

>

>My son has eczema on his legs and arms. His caused him to lose the color in

>those spots where he had it. My dr's says thats normal. My son has

>hydrocortisone cream and eurcerin lotion for it. I really don't know what

>causes it the drs will not tell me.

>

>Liz <lizlawoptonline (DOT) <mailto:lizlaw%40optonline.net> net> wrote: Is

>this a metal thing, a milk thing, or some other thing? Both kids had

>this. We thought it was a teething thing (the cheeks) .My reading tells

>me it is not a typical teething thing. I think in our case the cheeks

>were a metal thing exacerbated by the milk, and then the metal was

>trapped from the tylenol given. The red ears I could never get an answer

>on. We left those alone. The eczema was left alone in daughter. In son

>they gave us, gulp, steroid cream. I now think the big eczemaoutbreak

>was an infection from a farm visit. It took a long time to go away and

>the first strong cream given made it worse.

>

>---------------------------------

>Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail,

>news, photos & more.

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

What are some of the other bio-med boards that you are on? I would

be interested in joining those as well.

Thanks,

Becky McFarland

>

> ,

>

> I'm not sure if you were annoyed by my post or what, as I can't

quite understand the tone of yours. If I am being overly sensitive,

I appologize in advance.

>

> I premised those statements with " most likely " for 3 reasons....1,

because of exactly what you say....millions of people do suffer from

these issues, and naturally this won't be the cause for

everyone...2, because the limited number of people contributing to

this thread seem to feel stongly that their children have a

metal/yeast/viral/intolerance problem going on and THEY are who I

was addressing...and 3, because I don't have the time to get into

the entire explanation of why I believe that to be true or site the

science to support it. I simply put it out there...If someone wants

to pursue that, they are free to research for themselves and/or

simply ask. They are also free to completely ignore it.

>

> I have belonged to this board for 3 years, and I couldn't agree

with you more that the tone and topics change all the time. For most

who do biomed, it is a springboard to the other boards that go more

in depth about it. You seem to be implying that by discussing biomed

we are somehow making parents not opting to go that route feel

guilty, and should therefore not discuss it? Or that we should

censor ourselves more? Please clarify, as I'm not sure what you're

saying.

>

> I do not claim to have all the answers to getting all children

well, and I never have. Naturally a child off of milk who isn't

benefitting from it probably shouldn't have it restricted. None of

these interventions are universal...what works for one child may not

work for another. Hence, the word, " likely " .

>

> But I must say, without the introduction to biomed from this very

list, I might never have gotten my own daughter better. It would be

a shame to limit our discussions of it to protect people's feelings.

I never did anything verbatim based on what anyone here told me, and

I never felt guilty for not taking someone's advice. My listmates

simply opened the doors for me to do my own research to find what

worked for MY child. No parent or list member should do otherwise.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My dr. prescribed a really good med. for my sons eczema. I applied it one time

and made huge difference it is called Triamcinolone and cetaphil mixed. It is a

good med is has almost totally cleared up his eczema after only one time of

using it. Maybe you guys might want to ask your childs dr for it instead chning

your childs diet. I haven't changed my sons and this is working.

Janice <jscott@...> wrote: It is the casien in milk

that affects our kids not necessarily the lactose (which is a sugar). Lactaid

and all of those other products do absolutely nothing to help. The only thing

that I find that helps is digestive enzymes that specifically target casien. In

addition, we still have reactions when we have enzymes with milk products but

they are less severe not eliminated entirely. Each child is different and each

response is different but that is the case with us.

Janice

Re: [ ] Red cheeks, red ears, eczema

>

>

>

>My son has eczema on his legs and arms. His caused him to lose the color in

>those spots where he had it. My dr's says thats normal. My son has

>hydrocortisone cream and eurcerin lotion for it. I really don't know what

>causes it the drs will not tell me.

>

>Liz <lizlawoptonline (DOT) <mailto:lizlaw%40optonline.net> net> wrote: Is

>this a metal thing, a milk thing, or some other thing? Both kids had

>this. We thought it was a teething thing (the cheeks) .My reading tells

>me it is not a typical teething thing. I think in our case the cheeks

>were a metal thing exacerbated by the milk, and then the metal was

>trapped from the tylenol given. The red ears I could never get an answer

>on. We left those alone. The eczema was left alone in daughter. In son

>they gave us, gulp, steroid cream. I now think the big eczemaoutbreak

>was an infection from a farm visit. It took a long time to go away and

>the first strong cream given made it worse.

>

>---------------------------------

>Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail,

>news, photos & more.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I could have said the exact same statement a year ago, the last time we

had eczema. We only ever had it a few times. The thing is, it was not

until I worked on diet that I discovered possible celiac, speech

improvement, and the loss of a lot of sigificant physical impairments.

My child would be kicked out of services at this point if anyone tried.

That is why at least looking at doet may be something to consider...or

not. For us, it may literally have been a lifesaver....not regarding

speech so much as organ development.

atwood wrote:

>My dr. prescribed a really good med. for my sons eczema. I applied it one time

and made huge difference it is called Triamcinolone and cetaphil mixed. It is a

good med is has almost totally cleared up his eczema after only one time of

using it. Maybe you guys might want to ask your childs dr for it instead chning

your childs diet. I haven't changed my sons and this is working.

>

>Janice <jscott@...> wrote: It is the casien in milk

that affects our kids not necessarily the lactose (which is a sugar). Lactaid

and all of those other products do absolutely nothing to help. The only thing

that I find that helps is digestive enzymes that specifically target casien. In

addition, we still have reactions when we have enzymes with milk products but

they are less severe not eliminated entirely. Each child is different and each

response is different but that is the case with us.

>

>Janice

>

> Re: [ ] Red cheeks, red ears, eczema

>>

>>

>>

>>My son has eczema on his legs and arms. His caused him to lose the color in

>>those spots where he had it. My dr's says thats normal. My son has

>>hydrocortisone cream and eurcerin lotion for it. I really don't know what

>>causes it the drs will not tell me.

>>

>>Liz <lizlawoptonline (DOT) <mailto:lizlaw%40optonline.net> net> wrote: Is

>>this a metal thing, a milk thing, or some other thing? Both kids had

>>this. We thought it was a teething thing (the cheeks) .My reading tells

>>me it is not a typical teething thing. I think in our case the cheeks

>>were a metal thing exacerbated by the milk, and then the metal was

>>trapped from the tylenol given. The red ears I could never get an answer

>>on. We left those alone. The eczema was left alone in daughter. In son

>>they gave us, gulp, steroid cream. I now think the big eczemaoutbreak

>>was an infection from a farm visit. It took a long time to go away and

>>the first strong cream given made it worse.

>>

>>---------------------------------

>>Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail,

>>news, photos & more.

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Eventually, (as we found out) our son's skin built up a resistance to the

prescription meds and the eczema became worse. IMO it is better to figure

out the trigger rather than treat the outward symptom.

_____

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of atwood

Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 10:05 AM

Subject: RE: [ ] Red cheeks, red ears, eczema

My dr. prescribed a really good med. for my sons eczema. I applied it one

time and made huge difference it is called Triamcinolone and cetaphil mixed.

It is a good med is has almost totally cleared up his eczema after only one

time of using it. Maybe you guys might want to ask your childs dr for it

instead chning your childs diet. I haven't changed my sons and this is

working.

Janice <jscottinterbaun (DOT) <mailto:jscott%40interbaun.com> com> wrote:

It is the casien in milk that affects our kids not necessarily the lactose

(which is a sugar). Lactaid and all of those other products do absolutely

nothing to help. The only thing that I find that helps is digestive enzymes

that specifically target casien. In addition, we still have reactions when

we have enzymes with milk products but they are less severe not eliminated

entirely. Each child is different and each response is different but that is

the case with us.

Janice

Re: [ ] Red cheeks, red ears, eczema

>

>

>

>My son has eczema on his legs and arms. His caused him to lose the color in

>those spots where he had it. My dr's says thats normal. My son has

>hydrocortisone cream and eurcerin lotion for it. I really don't know what

>causes it the drs will not tell me.

>

>Liz <lizlawoptonline (DOT) <mailto:lizlaw%40optonline.net> net> wrote: Is

>this a metal thing, a milk thing, or some other thing? Both kids had

>this. We thought it was a teething thing (the cheeks) .My reading tells

>me it is not a typical teething thing. I think in our case the cheeks

>were a metal thing exacerbated by the milk, and then the metal was

>trapped from the tylenol given. The red ears I could never get an answer

>on. We left those alone. The eczema was left alone in daughter. In son

>they gave us, gulp, steroid cream. I now think the big eczemaoutbreak

>was an infection from a farm visit. It took a long time to go away and

>the first strong cream given made it worse.

>

>---------------------------------

>Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail,

>news, photos & more.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I will probably have to look into that. I just never thought to change his

diet. I will look into it though.

Liz <lizlaw@...> wrote: I could have said the exact

same statement a year ago, the last time we

had eczema. We only ever had it a few times. The thing is, it was not

until I worked on diet that I discovered possible celiac, speech

improvement, and the loss of a lot of sigificant physical impairments.

My child would be kicked out of services at this point if anyone tried.

That is why at least looking at doet may be something to consider...or

not. For us, it may literally have been a lifesaver....not regarding

speech so much as organ development.

atwood wrote:

>My dr. prescribed a really good med. for my sons eczema. I applied it one time

and made huge difference it is called Triamcinolone and cetaphil mixed. It is a

good med is has almost totally cleared up his eczema after only one time of

using it. Maybe you guys might want to ask your childs dr for it instead chning

your childs diet. I haven't changed my sons and this is working.

>

>Janice <jscott@...> wrote: It is the casien in milk that

affects our kids not necessarily the lactose (which is a sugar). Lactaid and all

of those other products do absolutely nothing to help. The only thing that I

find that helps is digestive enzymes that specifically target casien. In

addition, we still have reactions when we have enzymes with milk products but

they are less severe not eliminated entirely. Each child is different and each

response is different but that is the case with us.

>

>Janice

>

[Guest guest]

Understand, if you do, take it slow, one thing at a time, and two week

trials. You'll go nuts otherwise. Milk seems to let you know quickly.

atwood wrote:

>I will probably have to look into that. I just never thought to change his

diet. I will look into it though.

>

>Liz <lizlaw@...> wrote: I could have said the exact

same statement a year ago, the last time we

>had eczema. We only ever had it a few times. The thing is, it was not

>until I worked on diet that I discovered possible celiac, speech

>improvement, and the loss of a lot of sigificant physical impairments.

>My child would be kicked out of services at this point if anyone tried.

>That is why at least looking at doet may be something to consider...or

>not. For us, it may literally have been a lifesaver....not regarding

>speech so much as organ development.

>

> atwood wrote:

>

>

>

>>My dr. prescribed a really good med. for my sons eczema. I applied it one time

and made huge difference it is called Triamcinolone and cetaphil mixed. It is a

good med is has almost totally cleared up his eczema after only one time of

using it. Maybe you guys might want to ask your childs dr for it instead chning

your childs diet. I haven't changed my sons and this is working.

>>

>>Janice <jscott@...> wrote: It is the casien in milk that

affects our kids not necessarily the lactose (which is a sugar). Lactaid and all

of those other products do absolutely nothing to help. The only thing that I

find that helps is digestive enzymes that specifically target casien. In

addition, we still have reactions when we have enzymes with milk products but

they are less severe not eliminated entirely. Each child is different and each

response is different but that is the case with us.

>>

>>Janice

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

To put him on this diet what should I watch out for?

Liz <lizlaw@...> wrote: Understand, if you do, take it

slow, one thing at a time, and two week

trials. You'll go nuts otherwise. Milk seems to let you know quickly.

atwood wrote:

>I will probably have to look into that. I just never thought to change his

diet. I will look into it though.

>

>Liz <lizlaw@...> wrote: I could have said the exact same

statement a year ago, the last time we

>had eczema. We only ever had it a few times. The thing is, it was not

>until I worked on diet that I discovered possible celiac, speech

>improvement, and the loss of a lot of sigificant physical impairments.

>My child would be kicked out of services at this point if anyone tried.

>That is why at least looking at doet may be something to consider...or

>not. For us, it may literally have been a lifesaver....not regarding

>speech so much as organ development.

>

> atwood wrote:

>

>

>

>>My dr. prescribed a really good med. for my sons eczema. I applied it one time

and made huge difference it is called Triamcinolone and cetaphil mixed. It is a

good med is has almost totally cleared up his eczema after only one time of

using it. Maybe you guys might want to ask your childs dr for it instead chning

your childs diet. I haven't changed my sons and this is working.

>>

>>Janice <jscott@...> wrote: It is the casien in milk that

affects our kids not necessarily the lactose (which is a sugar). Lactaid and all

of those other products do absolutely nothing to help. The only thing that I

find that helps is digestive enzymes that specifically target casien. In

addition, we still have reactions when we have enzymes with milk products but

they are less severe not eliminated entirely. Each child is different and each

response is different but that is the case with us.

>>

>>Janice

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm trying to figure out how to answer your question of what I meant

by my earlier post. I guess, bottom line, is that there are not very

many people participating in the threads recently and I was trying to

figure out what the list would look like to me if I was brand new to

the diagnosis.

I would be wondering if all of the kids with apraxia have gut issues

(not mine), allergy issues (not mine), metal issues (not mine), or

are greatly helped by supplements like E or EFAs (not mine). Every now

and then I pipe in with a veiled comment to those parents who do not

fit the profile of the children currently being discussed on the list

because there are many, many of us out here. We read the list

frequently, looking for things that might be relevant to our families

and help our children, and sometimes it seems that months go by

without my seeing a discussion of any type that mirrors my own

experience.

I do not mean to assert that you have no right to discuss whatever you

wish on the list. But, in the last month, I posted an article from the

Journal of Pediatric Neurology about creatine deficiencies causing

speech delays and other issues, and barely anyone noticed. I just

find it interesting that people aren't asking their doctor for the

$300 urine test to look into this, but are running hair,fecal and

blood tests for so many other things.

>

> >The following statements seem a little broad, particularly that they

> >are premised by " most likely " .

> >

> > Eczema/Red cheeks...most likely a yeast problem caused by a metal

> >problem.

> > Red Ears....most likely a phenol intolerance.

> > Black eyes....most likely a leaky gut problem, evidence of food

> >intolerances.

> >

> >Literally tens of millions of people have eczema - worldwide. It

> >seems unlikely that they all have metal problems. Maybe dietary

> >insufficiencies? For the person who has had their child off of milk

> >for a full year but there has been no improvement, is there a good

> >reason to then stay off the milk?

> >

> >Many of these issues - like milk intolerance - make an appearance on

> >the boards in regular cycles. One person thinks it has helped their

> >child to go off milk, and then many either think they need to go off

> >milk or feel guilty because they don't. Being GFCF has been around in

> >the autism circles for quite some time - if it were universally

> >beneficial, we would certainly know about it. Some children are

> >helped, some are not.

> >

> >When a certain 'tpye' of discussion dominates the board, many begin to

> >feel that they are the only ones who are not pursuing a particular

> >route. Usually it is the other way around - when a topic is of

> >relevance and interest to your child, a small group of people are

> >completely engaged in the conversation. The majority are then quiet

> >until a new topic starts to gain steam. Right now the topics seem to

> >be GFCF, milk, flouride, yeast, gut issues, etc. If past experience

> >is any indication, next month, it will probably be something

> >completely different.

> >

> >

> >

> > Eczema/Red cheeks...most likely a yeast problem caused by a metal

> >problem.

> > Red Ears....most likely a phenol intolerance.

> > Black eyes....most likely a leaky gut problem, evidence of food

> >intolerances.

> >

> > -------------- Original message --------------

> >

> >

> >>From: Liz <lizlaw@>

> >>Is this a metal thing, a milk thing, or some other thing? Both

kids had

> >>this. We thought it was a teething thing (the cheeks) .My reading

tells

> >>me it is not a typical teething thing. I think in our case the cheeks

> >>were a metal thing exacerbated by the milk, and then the metal was

> >>trapped from the tylenol given. The red ears I could never get an

> >>

> >>

> >answer

> >

> >

> >>on. We left those alone. The eczema was left alone in daughter. In

son

> >>they gave us, gulp, steroid cream. I now think the big eczemaoutbreak

> >>was an infection from a farm visit. It took a long time to go away

and

> >>the first strong cream given made it worse.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

I see your point and figured a thoughtful response to was coming.

Here is my take:

1) I am sure all of this is overwhelming to anyone new. I think your

specific concern can be addressed by them browsing the folders and

ruling in or out what may apply.

2) I no longer agree that not mine applies to all of these without

further inquiry. My children had no known allergies(and both were

tested) to milk yet off milk my daughter who was getting problems

resolved and my dyspraxic son came alive in ways that rival the fih oil

stories. I found my daughter's gut issues by accident when I took my son

to the GI and hers may actually be worse than his. Fish oil seems to be

helping my kids, daughter more than son and in the end I think fish oil

became part of a better dietary effort rather than the panacea (I

started it late and give it casually to son and he is thriving). I think

metal is an issue based on history but have yet to prove it. No one

mirrored my kids experience. He was mild in comparison to most, had no

lung stuff and I initially left the group only to return after reading

more of the Late Talker and seeing my son in there.

We all have to do what is right for our own kids. The right therapy in

the right kid, the right diet in the right kid, the right toxin removal

in the right kid, and the right allergen removal in the right kid can do

wonders. It is my personal opinion that neurological issues are complex

and we can't know it all but must shoot at different targets. I do

believe that is what is going on here. It is overwhelming for newcomers,

tedious for those who have seen it all and don't think it relevant and

both helpful and alarming for others. I am just thankful for the forum.

Had I not come here my own health as well as my family's would have been

in jeopardy.

I have presented my pediatrician with journal articles, 's

abstract and more. I can't get the necessary tests so I am stuck with

the alternative. I am not happy about it. I did notice, read and use

your post but could not get the help I needed. Only after taking my

child off milk and seeing the results did anyone, therapists, drs, say

it was a consideration. Life is not fair, sometimes you have to blaze

your own trail when traditional methods fail you. I would much rather be

in the passenger's seat with my child's issues but the drivers so far

were going in reverse. It was time to move forward. Does that mean I try

to be his dr...no. It means I get labs on my own to present to good drs

in the hopes they will take me seriously. And yes, when they don't I

send my quiet, thoughtful and dyspraxic husband in with a list and they

listen to him because he talks less. Story of my life. Who else but a

smart dyspraxic guy could live with a loudmouth like me?

I did not make these rules. I am just working around roadblocks best I

can, gaining a sense of humor and diplomacy skills in the interim and

seeing bits and pieces of my boy return to me daily. It is a blessing,

as are all the posts, even those that may imply I am doing strange or

interesting things.

With genuine best wishes,

Liz

karen_peikert wrote:

>I'm trying to figure out how to answer your question of what I meant

>by my earlier post. I guess, bottom line, is that there are not very

>many people participating in the threads recently and I was trying to

>figure out what the list would look like to me if I was brand new to

>the diagnosis.

>

>I would be wondering if all of the kids with apraxia have gut issues

>(not mine), allergy issues (not mine), metal issues (not mine), or

>are greatly helped by supplements like E or EFAs (not mine). Every now

>and then I pipe in with a veiled comment to those parents who do not

>fit the profile of the children currently being discussed on the list

>because there are many, many of us out here. We read the list

>frequently, looking for things that might be relevant to our families

>and help our children, and sometimes it seems that months go by

>without my seeing a discussion of any type that mirrors my own

>experience.

>

>I do not mean to assert that you have no right to discuss whatever you

>wish on the list. But, in the last month, I posted an article from the

>Journal of Pediatric Neurology about creatine deficiencies causing

>speech delays and other issues, and barely anyone noticed. I just

>find it interesting that people aren't asking their doctor for the

>$300 urine test to look into this, but are running hair,fecal and

>blood tests for so many other things.

>

>

>

>

>

>>

>>

>>

>>>The following statements seem a little broad, particularly that they

>>>are premised by " most likely " .

>>>

>>>Eczema/Red cheeks...most likely a yeast problem caused by a metal

>>>problem.

>>>Red Ears....most likely a phenol intolerance.

>>>Black eyes....most likely a leaky gut problem, evidence of food

>>>intolerances.

>>>

>>>Literally tens of millions of people have eczema - worldwide. It

>>>seems unlikely that they all have metal problems. Maybe dietary

>>>insufficiencies? For the person who has had their child off of milk

>>>for a full year but there has been no improvement, is there a good

>>>reason to then stay off the milk?

>>>

>>>Many of these issues - like milk intolerance - make an appearance on

>>>the boards in regular cycles. One person thinks it has helped their

>>>child to go off milk, and then many either think they need to go off

>>>milk or feel guilty because they don't. Being GFCF has been around in

>>>the autism circles for quite some time - if it were universally

>>>beneficial, we would certainly know about it. Some children are

>>>helped, some are not.

>>>

>>>When a certain 'tpye' of discussion dominates the board, many begin to

>>>feel that they are the only ones who are not pursuing a particular

>>>route. Usually it is the other way around - when a topic is of

>>>relevance and interest to your child, a small group of people are

>>>completely engaged in the conversation. The majority are then quiet

>>>until a new topic starts to gain steam. Right now the topics seem to

>>>be GFCF, milk, flouride, yeast, gut issues, etc. If past experience

>>>is any indication, next month, it will probably be something

>>>completely different.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>Eczema/Red cheeks...most likely a yeast problem caused by a metal

>>>problem.

>>>Red Ears....most likely a phenol intolerance.

>>>Black eyes....most likely a leaky gut problem, evidence of food

>>>intolerances.

>>>

>>>-------------- Original message --------------

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>>From: Liz <lizlaw@>

>>>>Is this a metal thing, a milk thing, or some other thing? Both

>>>>

>>>>

>kids had

>

>

>>>>this. We thought it was a teething thing (the cheeks) .My reading

>>>>

>>>>

>tells

>

>

>>>>me it is not a typical teething thing. I think in our case the cheeks

>>>>were a metal thing exacerbated by the milk, and then the metal was

>>>>trapped from the tylenol given. The red ears I could never get an

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>answer

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>>on. We left those alone. The eczema was left alone in daughter. In

>>>>

>>>>

>son

>

>

>>>>they gave us, gulp, steroid cream. I now think the big eczemaoutbreak

>>>>was an infection from a farm visit. It took a long time to go away

>>>>

>>>>

>and

>

>

>>>>the first strong cream given made it worse.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

[Guest guest]

I am a mom, not a doc and don't know your kid or how you will approach

the diet so I can't tell you that. I swiftly took both kids and myself

off gluten and milk except for once cheat a day, a cookie, so they'd

have some in for celiac test. Understand, these kids ate nothing but

gluten and milk before:

Lots of pee, big solid stool, great behavior but tantrums but so much

less than we had before. As I understand it though we got lucky. I did

not plan ahead, did not get proper vitamins in them etc. It all worked

out in the end but weaning sounds safer and that would be my method of

choice.

After a few days of what I described, bliss, son woke up, etc. The thing

is, we then had trouble with substitutes, reduced to veggies, organic

meat, and Bob's red mill pancakes and specical GFCF oats for cookies and

bliss again. It has been a long haul with good results because I may

have hit on good targets for my kids, specifically an allergin. I also

did some other stuff so who really knows.

atwood wrote:

>To put him on this diet what should I watch out for?

>

>Liz <lizlaw@...> wrote: Understand, if you do, take it

slow, one thing at a time, and two week

>trials. You'll go nuts otherwise. Milk seems to let you know quickly.

>

> atwood wrote:

>

>

>

>>I will probably have to look into that. I just never thought to change his

diet. I will look into it though.

>>

>>Liz <lizlaw@...> wrote: I could have said the exact same

statement a year ago, the last time we

>>had eczema. We only ever had it a few times. The thing is, it was not

>>until I worked on diet that I discovered possible celiac, speech

>>improvement, and the loss of a lot of sigificant physical impairments.

>>My child would be kicked out of services at this point if anyone tried.

>>That is why at least looking at doet may be something to consider...or

>>not. For us, it may literally have been a lifesaver....not regarding

>>speech so much as organ development.

>>

>> atwood wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>>My dr. prescribed a really good med. for my sons eczema. I applied it one

time and made huge difference it is called Triamcinolone and cetaphil mixed. It

is a good med is has almost totally cleared up his eczema after only one time of

using it. Maybe you guys might want to ask your childs dr for it instead chning

your childs diet. I haven't changed my sons and this is working.

>>>

>>>Janice <jscott@...> wrote: It is the casien in milk that

affects our kids not necessarily the lactose (which is a sugar). Lactaid and all

of those other products do absolutely nothing to help. The only thing that I

find that helps is digestive enzymes that specifically target casien. In

addition, we still have reactions when we have enzymes with milk products but

they are less severe not eliminated entirely. Each child is different and each

response is different but that is the case with us.

>>>

>>>Janice

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

[Guest guest]

I understand where you're coming from. The speech related topics are

few and far between. I hesitated a couple of days ago to refer a mom

to the group because she would probably feel like she is in the wrong

place. I read very few posts anymore.

> >

> > >The following statements seem a little broad, particularly that

they

> > >are premised by " most likely " .

> > >

> > > Eczema/Red cheeks...most likely a yeast problem caused by a

metal

> > >problem.

> > > Red Ears....most likely a phenol intolerance.

> > > Black eyes....most likely a leaky gut problem, evidence of food

> > >intolerances.

> > >

> > >Literally tens of millions of people have eczema - worldwide. It

> > >seems unlikely that they all have metal problems. Maybe dietary

> > >insufficiencies? For the person who has had their child off of

milk

> > >for a full year but there has been no improvement, is there a

good

> > >reason to then stay off the milk?

> > >

> > >Many of these issues - like milk intolerance - make an

appearance on

> > >the boards in regular cycles. One person thinks it has helped

their

> > >child to go off milk, and then many either think they need to go

off

> > >milk or feel guilty because they don't. Being GFCF has been

around in

> > >the autism circles for quite some time - if it were universally

> > >beneficial, we would certainly know about it. Some children are

> > >helped, some are not.

> > >

> > >When a certain 'tpye' of discussion dominates the board, many

begin to

> > >feel that they are the only ones who are not pursuing a

particular

> > >route. Usually it is the other way around - when a topic is of

> > >relevance and interest to your child, a small group of people are

> > >completely engaged in the conversation. The majority are then

quiet

> > >until a new topic starts to gain steam. Right now the topics

seem to

> > >be GFCF, milk, flouride, yeast, gut issues, etc. If past

experience

> > >is any indication, next month, it will probably be something

> > >completely different.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Eczema/Red cheeks...most likely a yeast problem caused by a

metal

> > >problem.

> > > Red Ears....most likely a phenol intolerance.

> > > Black eyes....most likely a leaky gut problem, evidence of food

> > >intolerances.

> > >

> > > -------------- Original message --------------

> > >

> > >

> > >>From: Liz <lizlaw@>

> > >>Is this a metal thing, a milk thing, or some other thing? Both

> kids had

> > >>this. We thought it was a teething thing (the cheeks) .My

reading

> tells

> > >>me it is not a typical teething thing. I think in our case the

cheeks

> > >>were a metal thing exacerbated by the milk, and then the metal

was

> > >>trapped from the tylenol given. The red ears I could never get

an

> > >>

> > >>

> > >answer

> > >

> > >

> > >>on. We left those alone. The eczema was left alone in daughter.

In

> son

> > >>they gave us, gulp, steroid cream. I now think the big

eczemaoutbreak

> > >>was an infection from a farm visit. It took a long time to go

away

> and

> > >>the first strong cream given made it worse.

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

[Guest guest]

I am not sure I totally get it. Is the concern that this is no longer

just a therapy or fish oil discussion? Tina has set up folders on nearly

every aspect so the board is good not just for current messages but for

folders of things that affect all of us.

elmccann wrote:

>I understand where you're coming from. The speech related topics are

>few and far between. I hesitated a couple of days ago to refer a mom

>to the group because she would probably feel like she is in the wrong

>place. I read very few posts anymore.

>

>

>

>

>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>>The following statements seem a little broad, particularly that

>>>>

>>>>

>they

>

>

>>>>are premised by " most likely " .

>>>>

>>>>Eczema/Red cheeks...most likely a yeast problem caused by a

>>>>

>>>>

>metal

>

>

>>>>problem.

>>>>Red Ears....most likely a phenol intolerance.

>>>>Black eyes....most likely a leaky gut problem, evidence of food

>>>>intolerances.

>>>>

>>>>Literally tens of millions of people have eczema - worldwide. It

>>>>seems unlikely that they all have metal problems. Maybe dietary

>>>>insufficiencies? For the person who has had their child off of

>>>>

>>>>

>milk

>

>

>>>>for a full year but there has been no improvement, is there a

>>>>

>>>>

>good

>

>

>>>>reason to then stay off the milk?

>>>>

>>>>Many of these issues - like milk intolerance - make an

>>>>

>>>>

>appearance on

>

>

>>>>the boards in regular cycles. One person thinks it has helped

>>>>

>>>>

>their

>

>

>>>>child to go off milk, and then many either think they need to go

>>>>

>>>>

>off

>

>

>>>>milk or feel guilty because they don't. Being GFCF has been

>>>>

>>>>

>around in

>

>

>>>>the autism circles for quite some time - if it were universally

>>>>beneficial, we would certainly know about it. Some children are

>>>>helped, some are not.

>>>>

>>>>When a certain 'tpye' of discussion dominates the board, many

>>>>

>>>>

>begin to

>

>

>>>>feel that they are the only ones who are not pursuing a

>>>>

>>>>

>particular

>

>

>>>>route. Usually it is the other way around - when a topic is of

>>>>relevance and interest to your child, a small group of people are

>>>>completely engaged in the conversation. The majority are then

>>>>

>>>>

>quiet

>

>

>>>>until a new topic starts to gain steam. Right now the topics

>>>>

>>>>

>seem to

>

>

>>>>be GFCF, milk, flouride, yeast, gut issues, etc. If past

>>>>

>>>>

>experience

>

>

>>>>is any indication, next month, it will probably be something

>>>>completely different.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>Eczema/Red cheeks...most likely a yeast problem caused by a

>>>>

>>>>

>metal

>

>

>>>>problem.

>>>>Red Ears....most likely a phenol intolerance.

>>>>Black eyes....most likely a leaky gut problem, evidence of food

>>>>intolerances.

>>>>

>>>>-------------- Original message --------------

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>From: Liz <lizlaw@>

>>>>>Is this a metal thing, a milk thing, or some other thing? Both

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>kids had

>>

>>

>>>>>this. We thought it was a teething thing (the cheeks) .My

>>>>>

>>>>>

>reading

>

>

>>tells

>>

>>

>>>>>me it is not a typical teething thing. I think in our case the

>>>>>

>>>>>

>cheeks

>

>

>>>>>were a metal thing exacerbated by the milk, and then the metal

>>>>>

>>>>>

>was

>

>

>>>>>trapped from the tylenol given. The red ears I could never get

>>>>>

>>>>>

>an

>

>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>answer

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>on. We left those alone. The eczema was left alone in daughter.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>In

>

>

>>son

>>

>>

>>>>>they gave us, gulp, steroid cream. I now think the big

>>>>>

>>>>>

>eczemaoutbreak

>

>

>>>>>was an infection from a farm visit. It took a long time to go

>>>>>

>>>>>

>away

>

>

>>and

>>

>>

>>>>>the first strong cream given made it worse.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

[Guest guest]

I don't think the problem is that it is no longer a therapy or fish

oil discssion, but that most days it barely seems like an apraxia

discussion.

I think that when the discussions get heavily weighted toward biomed

interventions, the people who have been there/done that feel that the

list doesn't belong to them any more and they find other places to go.

The discussions that have dominated this list for the past few months

could have easily been from an autism board or a GFCF board, etc.

When someone asks a question about an IEP or traditional therapy,

there is almost no one around to answer them because, as

suggested, those people have (probably temporarily) stopped reading.

So , and people like me, must get most of our " live " information

that is relevant to our kids elsewhere. But the group belongs to

everyone, so it can go in whichever way the most vocal people want it to.

>

> >I understand where you're coming from. The speech related topics are

> >few and far between. I hesitated a couple of days ago to refer a mom

> >to the group because she would probably feel like she is in the wrong

> >place. I read very few posts anymore.

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Can't say much other than, the folders have plenty of IEP, Advocacy

info, as does s Law and the therapy folder is also helpful. There

are many tentacles to the octupus that is apraxia.

karen_peikert wrote:

>I don't think the problem is that it is no longer a therapy or fish

>oil discssion, but that most days it barely seems like an apraxia

>discussion.

>

>I think that when the discussions get heavily weighted toward biomed

>interventions, the people who have been there/done that feel that the

>list doesn't belong to them any more and they find other places to go.

> The discussions that have dominated this list for the past few months

>could have easily been from an autism board or a GFCF board, etc.

>When someone asks a question about an IEP or traditional therapy,

>there is almost no one around to answer them because, as

>suggested, those people have (probably temporarily) stopped reading.

>

>So , and people like me, must get most of our " live " information

>that is relevant to our kids elsewhere. But the group belongs to

>everyone, so it can go in whichever way the most vocal people want it to.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>>

>>

>>

>>>I understand where you're coming from. The speech related topics are

>>>few and far between. I hesitated a couple of days ago to refer a mom

>>>to the group because she would probably feel like she is in the wrong

>>>place. I read very few posts anymore.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I love talking about therapy! I really believe in it in particular if you do it

daily and repetitively. We could open up a discussion about different items

people are doing in speech... Believe me, if its dyspraxia/apraxia based, I'm

willing to talk about it. The problem can often be that often our children are

in different 'places' in their therapy and it must be up to the parents to

decide if their child is ready for an exercise or not.

For instance we are doing this exercise right now that really is working and I

quite like how Mark is responding to it. I didn't realize that Mark was using

his jaw instead of his tongue for many of his mouth movements so we have been

working the tongue but this one exercise is so simple and works the back of the

throat. For this you need a speaking child who can make these sounds.

First, have the child say the pu sound. Breath in deep and then as fast has he

can go on the out breath in a smooth steady beat. pu, pu, pu, pu, pu, pu ....

etc.

Do the same with the ke sound, ke, ke, ke, ke, ke, ke .... fast as he can go in

a steady beat using up all of the air in the breath.

Again with the te (not teee but ta ) do te, te, te, te, te, te, te,

Now try have your child take in another deeeeeep breath and say this rythmicly,

cup of tea, cup of tea, cup of tea throuhout the whole breath while maintaining

a steady rhythem.

You try it. Do you feel what is happening to the back of your throat? How it

is opening and closing along with the movement of the tongue to the front of the

mouth? It is a good workout for the throat muscles and coordination.

If you practice this, try getting faster each time you do it but be sure to keep

a steady rhythem that is controlled and use the whole breath of air while you're

doing it.

We have been doing this simple exercise before each meal (along with others) and

man, has it really helped with overall articulation. I didn't realize how

terrible Mark's airflow was. A fun airflow game is to get a ping-pong ball and

play 'air' hockey (using the diaphram) for 10 minutes a day. You blow it

accross the table and the child blows it back. Fun and works airflow.

Another good tongue exercise is to get a bite block and place it at the back of

the child's mouth between the two back molars. I don't have a bite block so

just use the handle end of a wooden spoon. You need to see the two molars of

the side you are working on. Have the child reach over and touch the spoon with

the tip of their tongue for a count of 5. Remove spoon from the mouth and do

this again from the beginning. Do this on each side for 5 times. Once they can

easily and quickly touch the molar with their tongue, have them tickle the end

of the bite block with their tongue. This exercise works the ability to cross

the midline with their tongue and overall tongue motor planning.

Have more... want some?

Janice

[Guest guest]

I've been a member of this list for many years (I think 6), but only

recently started reading. I just didn't find much helpful

information here before.

Janice and Kim, just for starters, have been great in sharing their

awesome therapy knowledge.

BTW, one of my friends didn't know that her sons red ears could be a

sign of food intolerance until I gave her a copy of Dr Rapp's

book " Is this your child? " She was really glad to find this out

after 11 years!

Vicki

>

> From:

> [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

> julieobradovic@...

> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 12:43 PM

>

> Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Red cheeks, red ears, eczema

>

>

>

> ,

>

> I'm not sure if you were annoyed by my post or what, as I can't

quite

> understand the tone of yours. If I am being overly sensitive, I

appologize

> in advance.

>

> I premised those statements with " most likely " for 3 reasons....1,

because

> of exactly what you say....millions of people do suffer from these

issues,

> and naturally this won't be the cause for everyone...2, because the

limited

> number of people contributing to this thread seem to feel stongly

that their

> children have a metal/yeast/viral/intolerance problem going on and

THEY are

> who I was addressing...and 3, because I don't have the time to get

into the

> entire explanation of why I believe that to be true or site the

science to

> support it. I simply put it out there...If someone wants to pursue

that,

> they are free to research for themselves and/or simply ask. They

are also

> free to completely ignore it.

>

> I have belonged to this board for 3 years, and I couldn't agree

with you

> more that the tone and topics change all the time. For most who do

biomed,

> it is a springboard to the other boards that go more in depth about

it. You

> seem to be implying that by discussing biomed we are somehow making

parents

> not opting to go that route feel guilty, and should therefore not

discuss

> it? Or that we should censor ourselves more? Please clarify, as I'm

not sure

> what you're saying.

>

> I do not claim to have all the answers to getting all children

well, and I

> never have. Naturally a child off of milk who isn't benefitting

from it

> probably shouldn't have it restricted. None of these interventions

are

> universal...what works for one child may not work for another.

Hence, the

> word, " likely " .

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for those exercises to try. My son can say just about any word, but

the pronounciation/articulation needs a lot of work yet. Usually most of

what he says isn't clearly spoken. It kind of sounds to me like he is talking

without working his tongue much or his lips. I think esp. the lips. Like for

the word (and friends/the trains.. loves em) he'll say tholas.. I

think it is really hard for him to get those two lips together.. well, on the

other hand he has no trouble with saying mommy the right way.. guess it's the

nature of apraxia.. My son is not able to make the " v " or the " f " sound. In

fact I've only every heard him say the f sound once, maybe twice. he said

golf. He will always substitute a constanant to replace a v or f in any and

every word. Any suggestions for those. Does anyone else's child have this or

something similiar. I've been curious about that for a long time.

thank you,

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[Guest guest]

That Red ears thing puzzles me. My doctors and my research (yes I have

always been this way) came up with nothing. It did not happen often so I

let it go until it dawned on me recently nothing can be overlooked.

fridgudare2003 wrote:

>I've been a member of this list for many years (I think 6), but only

>recently started reading. I just didn't find much helpful

>information here before.

>Janice and Kim, just for starters, have been great in sharing their

>awesome therapy knowledge.

>BTW, one of my friends didn't know that her sons red ears could be a

>sign of food intolerance until I gave her a copy of Dr Rapp's

>book " Is this your child? " She was really glad to find this out

>after 11 years!

>

>Vicki

>

>

>

>>From:

>>[mailto: ] On Behalf Of

>>julieobradovic@...

>>Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 12:43 PM

>>

>>Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Red cheeks, red ears, eczema

>>

>>

>>

>>,

>>

>>I'm not sure if you were annoyed by my post or what, as I can't

>>

>>

>quite

>

>

>>understand the tone of yours. If I am being overly sensitive, I

>>

>>

>appologize

>

>

>>in advance.

>>

>>I premised those statements with " most likely " for 3 reasons....1,

>>

>>

>because

>

>

>>of exactly what you say....millions of people do suffer from these

>>

>>

>issues,

>

>

>>and naturally this won't be the cause for everyone...2, because the

>>

>>

>limited

>

>

>>number of people contributing to this thread seem to feel stongly

>>

>>

>that their

>

>

>>children have a metal/yeast/viral/intolerance problem going on and

>>

>>

>THEY are

>

>

>>who I was addressing...and 3, because I don't have the time to get

>>

>>

>into the

>

>

>>entire explanation of why I believe that to be true or site the

>>

>>

>science to

>

>

>>support it. I simply put it out there...If someone wants to pursue

>>

>>

>that,

>

>

>>they are free to research for themselves and/or simply ask. They

>>

>>

>are also

>

>

>>free to completely ignore it.

>>

>>I have belonged to this board for 3 years, and I couldn't agree

>>

>>

>with you

>

>

>>more that the tone and topics change all the time. For most who do

>>

>>

>biomed,

>

>

>>it is a springboard to the other boards that go more in depth about

>>

>>

>it. You

>

>

>>seem to be implying that by discussing biomed we are somehow making

>>

>>

>parents

>

>

>>not opting to go that route feel guilty, and should therefore not

>>

>>

>discuss

>

>

>>it? Or that we should censor ourselves more? Please clarify, as I'm

>>

>>

>not sure

>

>

>>what you're saying.

>>

>>I do not claim to have all the answers to getting all children

>>

>>

>well, and I

>

>

>>never have. Naturally a child off of milk who isn't benefitting

>>

>>

>from it

>

>

>>probably shouldn't have it restricted. None of these interventions

>>

>>

>are

>

>

>>universal...what works for one child may not work for another.

>>

>>

>Hence, the

>

>

>>word, " likely " .

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Liz,

Re: The red ear thing.

The only time gets red ears is when he's tired. They are our

little guage to just how tired he is!

just my 2 cents!!

sandy

Re: [childrensapraxiane t] Re: Red cheeks, red ears, eczema

>>

>>

>>

>>,

>>

>>I'm not sure if you were annoyed by my post or what, as I can't

>>

>>

>quite

>

>

>>understand the tone of yours. If I am being overly sensitive, I

>>

>>

>appologize

>

>

>>in advance.

>>

>>I premised those statements with " most likely " for 3 reasons....1,

>>

>>

>because

>

>

>>of exactly what you say....millions of people do suffer from these

>>

>>

>issues,

>

>

>>and naturally this won't be the cause for everyone...2, because the

>>

>>

>limited

>

>

>>number of people contributing to this thread seem to feel stongly

>>

>>

>that their

>

>

>>children have a metal/yeast/ viral/intoleranc e problem going on and

>>

>>

>THEY are

>

>

>>who I was addressing.. .and 3, because I don't have the time to get

>>

>>

>into the

>

>

>>entire explanation of why I believe that to be true or site the

>>

>>

>science to

>

>

>>support it. I simply put it out there...If someone wants to pursue

>>

>>

>that,

>

>

>>they are free to research for themselves and/or simply ask. They

>>

>>

>are also

>

>

>>free to completely ignore it.

>>

>>I have belonged to this board for 3 years, and I couldn't agree

>>

>>

>with you

>

>

>>more that the tone and topics change all the time. For most who do

>>

>>

>biomed,

>

>

>>it is a springboard to the other boards that go more in depth about

>>

>>

>it. You

>

>

>>seem to be implying that by discussing biomed we are somehow making

>>

>>

>parents

>

>

>>not opting to go that route feel guilty, and should therefore not

>>

>>

>discuss

>

>

>>it? Or that we should censor ourselves more? Please clarify, as I'm

>>

>>

>not sure

>

>

>>what you're saying.

>>

>>I do not claim to have all the answers to getting all children

>>

>>

>well, and I

>

>

>>never have. Naturally a child off of milk who isn't benefitting

>>

>>

>from it

>

>

>>probably shouldn't have it restricted. None of these interventions

>>

>>

>are

>

>

>>universal. ..what works for one child may not work for another.

>>

>>

>Hence, the

>

>

>>word, " likely " .

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

>