Re: Red cheeks, red ears, eczema

[Guest guest]

My son has eczema on his legs and arms. His caused him to lose the color in

those spots where he had it. My dr's says thats normal. My son has

hydrocortisone cream and eurcerin lotion for it. I really don't know what

causes it the drs will not tell me.

Liz <lizlaw@...> wrote: Is this a metal thing, a milk

thing, or some other thing? Both kids had

this. We thought it was a teething thing (the cheeks) .My reading tells

me it is not a typical teething thing. I think in our case the cheeks

were a metal thing exacerbated by the milk, and then the metal was

trapped from the tylenol given. The red ears I could never get an answer

on. We left those alone. The eczema was left alone in daughter. In son

they gave us, gulp, steroid cream. I now think the big eczemaoutbreak

was an infection from a farm visit. It took a long time to go away and

the first strong cream given made it worse.

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Eczema/Red cheeks...most likely a yeast problem caused by a metal problem.

Red Ears....most likely a phenol intolerance.

Black eyes....most likely a leaky gut problem, evidence of food intolerances.

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From: Liz <lizlaw@...>

Is this a metal thing, a milk thing, or some other thing? Both kids had

this. We thought it was a teething thing (the cheeks) .My reading tells

me it is not a typical teething thing. I think in our case the cheeks

were a metal thing exacerbated by the milk, and then the metal was

trapped from the tylenol given. The red ears I could never get an answer

on. We left those alone. The eczema was left alone in daughter. In son

they gave us, gulp, steroid cream. I now think the big eczemaoutbreak

was an infection from a farm visit. It took a long time to go away and

the first strong cream given made it worse.

[Guest guest]

My son had severe eczema at a really young age - 2. Its what took me

to a DAN nutritionist. His test results showed a high copper overload

and low in zinc. After using omegas and flax seed oil with aquaphor

(topical ointment) his system slowly cleaned out. A probiotic was

used for 3 months also and a daily multivitamin with minerals .

Our family history shows hemochromatosis which is a genetic disorder

for iron overload. The liver does not clean out the excess iron in

your blood and leaves pockets of iron in vital organs causing heart

disease, kidney problems, psoriasis of the liver, diabetes. The

treatment is to phlebotomize (give blood once a month). It is a simple

blood test given by a hemotologist. My son showed no results but

should be tested again during puberty.

all the best,

Joanne

[Guest guest]

It is beginning to get clearer.

julieobradovic@... wrote:

>Eczema/Red cheeks...most likely a yeast problem caused by a metal problem.

>Red Ears....most likely a phenol intolerance.

>Black eyes....most likely a leaky gut problem, evidence of food intolerances.

>

>-------------- Original message --------------

>From: Liz <lizlaw@...>

>Is this a metal thing, a milk thing, or some other thing? Both kids had

>this. We thought it was a teething thing (the cheeks) .My reading tells

>me it is not a typical teething thing. I think in our case the cheeks

>were a metal thing exacerbated by the milk, and then the metal was

>trapped from the tylenol given. The red ears I could never get an answer

>on. We left those alone. The eczema was left alone in daughter. In son

>they gave us, gulp, steroid cream. I now think the big eczemaoutbreak

>was an infection from a farm visit. It took a long time to go away and

>the first strong cream given made it worse.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks. 2 is exactly when he had it and hemochromatosis explains a lot

of my family's history.

howdiette wrote:

>My son had severe eczema at a really young age - 2. Its what took me

>to a DAN nutritionist. His test results showed a high copper overload

>and low in zinc. After using omegas and flax seed oil with aquaphor

>(topical ointment) his system slowly cleaned out. A probiotic was

>used for 3 months also and a daily multivitamin with minerals .

>

>Our family history shows hemochromatosis which is a genetic disorder

>for iron overload. The liver does not clean out the excess iron in

>your blood and leaves pockets of iron in vital organs causing heart

>disease, kidney problems, psoriasis of the liver, diabetes. The

>treatment is to phlebotomize (give blood once a month). It is a simple

>blood test given by a hemotologist. My son showed no results but

>should be tested again during puberty.

>

>all the best,

>Joanne

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

By going off of MILK and MILK products, we were able to clear up my baby’s

eczema. I had seen a couple of different ped’s and finely at the hospital

for an unrelated thing, got told to give up milk for 3 wks to see if there

was a difference.

We had 2 diff. prescription creams and it was head to toe eczema on him. I

was EXTREAMLY frustrated that it took hospitalization to get this cleared up

and since baby was #4; should have been told with #2 who had similar

experience.

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From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of atwood

Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 8:11 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Red cheeks, red ears, eczema

My son has eczema on his legs and arms. His caused him to lose the color in

those spots where he had it. My dr's says thats normal. My son has

hydrocortisone cream and eurcerin lotion for it. I really don't know what

causes it the drs will not tell me.

Liz <lizlawoptonline (DOT) <mailto:lizlaw%40optonline.net> net> wrote: Is

this a metal thing, a milk thing, or some other thing? Both kids had

this. We thought it was a teething thing (the cheeks) .My reading tells

me it is not a typical teething thing. I think in our case the cheeks

were a metal thing exacerbated by the milk, and then the metal was

trapped from the tylenol given. The red ears I could never get an answer

on. We left those alone. The eczema was left alone in daughter. In son

they gave us, gulp, steroid cream. I now think the big eczemaoutbreak

was an infection from a farm visit. It took a long time to go away and

the first strong cream given made it worse.

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Can you refresh my memory...what was the unrelated thing?

Zeissler wrote:

>By going off of MILK and MILK products, we were able to clear up my baby’s

>eczema. I had seen a couple of different ped’s and finely at the hospital

>for an unrelated thing, got told to give up milk for 3 wks to see if there

>was a difference.

>

>

>

>We had 2 diff. prescription creams and it was head to toe eczema on him. I

>was EXTREAMLY frustrated that it took hospitalization to get this cleared up

>and since baby was #4; should have been told with #2 who had similar

>experience.

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

>From:

>[mailto: ] On Behalf Of atwood

>Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 8:11 AM

>

>Subject: Re: [ ] Red cheeks, red ears, eczema

>

>

>

>My son has eczema on his legs and arms. His caused him to lose the color in

>those spots where he had it. My dr's says thats normal. My son has

>hydrocortisone cream and eurcerin lotion for it. I really don't know what

>causes it the drs will not tell me.

>

>Liz <lizlawoptonline (DOT) <mailto:lizlaw%40optonline.net> net> wrote: Is

>this a metal thing, a milk thing, or some other thing? Both kids had

>this. We thought it was a teething thing (the cheeks) .My reading tells

>me it is not a typical teething thing. I think in our case the cheeks

>were a metal thing exacerbated by the milk, and then the metal was

>trapped from the tylenol given. The red ears I could never get an answer

>on. We left those alone. The eczema was left alone in daughter. In son

>they gave us, gulp, steroid cream. I now think the big eczemaoutbreak

>was an infection from a farm visit. It took a long time to go away and

>the first strong cream given made it worse.

>

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Bi lateral tear duct probing

Re: [ ] Red cheeks, red ears, eczema

>

>

>

>My son has eczema on his legs and arms. His caused him to lose the color in

>those spots where he had it. My dr's says thats normal. My son has

>hydrocortisone cream and eurcerin lotion for it. I really don't know what

>causes it the drs will not tell me.

>

>Liz <lizlawoptonline (DOT) <mailto:lizlaw%40optonline.net> net> wrote: Is

>this a metal thing, a milk thing, or some other thing? Both kids had

>this. We thought it was a teething thing (the cheeks) .My reading tells

>me it is not a typical teething thing. I think in our case the cheeks

>were a metal thing exacerbated by the milk, and then the metal was

>trapped from the tylenol given. The red ears I could never get an answer

>on. We left those alone. The eczema was left alone in daughter. In son

>they gave us, gulp, steroid cream. I now think the big eczemaoutbreak

>was an infection from a farm visit. It took a long time to go away and

>the first strong cream given made it worse.

>

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[Guest guest]

See, I no longer buy that my kids tear duct stuff was unrelated. My

personal, uneducated belief is that the milk, the calcium in the milk,

was pushing out metal via the tear ducts. I had this as a baby also.

Zeissler wrote:

>Bi lateral tear duct probing

>

> Re: [ ] Red cheeks, red ears, eczema

>>

>>

>>

>>My son has eczema on his legs and arms. His caused him to lose the color in

>>those spots where he had it. My dr's says thats normal. My son has

>>hydrocortisone cream and eurcerin lotion for it. I really don't know what

>>causes it the drs will not tell me.

>>

>>Liz <lizlawoptonline (DOT) <mailto:lizlaw%40optonline.net> net> wrote: Is

>>this a metal thing, a milk thing, or some other thing? Both kids had

>>this. We thought it was a teething thing (the cheeks) .My reading tells

>>me it is not a typical teething thing. I think in our case the cheeks

>>were a metal thing exacerbated by the milk, and then the metal was

>>trapped from the tylenol given. The red ears I could never get an answer

>>on. We left those alone. The eczema was left alone in daughter. In son

>>they gave us, gulp, steroid cream. I now think the big eczemaoutbreak

>>was an infection from a farm visit. It took a long time to go away and

>>the first strong cream given made it worse.

>>

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[Guest guest]

My son has been off milk products for almost a year and still no change. It has

acually gotten worse. I don't know what else to do to help my son to get relief

from this. Anyone have any suggestions?

Zeissler <hzeissler@...> wrote: Bi lateral tear

duct probing

Re: [ ] Red cheeks, red ears, eczema

>

>

>

>My son has eczema on his legs and arms. His caused him to lose the color in

>those spots where he had it. My dr's says thats normal. My son has

>hydrocortisone cream and eurcerin lotion for it. I really don't know what

>causes it the drs will not tell me.

>

>Liz <lizlawoptonline (DOT) <mailto:lizlaw%40optonline.net> net> wrote: Is

>this a metal thing, a milk thing, or some other thing? Both kids had

>this. We thought it was a teething thing (the cheeks) .My reading tells

>me it is not a typical teething thing. I think in our case the cheeks

>were a metal thing exacerbated by the milk, and then the metal was

>trapped from the tylenol given. The red ears I could never get an answer

>on. We left those alone. The eczema was left alone in daughter. In son

>they gave us, gulp, steroid cream. I now think the big eczemaoutbreak

>was an infection from a farm visit. It took a long time to go away and

>the first strong cream given made it worse.

>

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[Guest guest]

Are you sure this is unrelated? There seem to be many people who blame

milk/casein intolerance for plugged eustachian tubes leading to fluid in

the ear, or an ear drum pressure condition. If this really is causal,

it's not hard to see how the tear ducts could suffer a related obstruction.

My son had fairly bad eczema when he was an infant, and also had to have

his tear ducts probed. He now has also been diagnosed with a negative

pressure condition in his ears. We have not tried CF yet, but I would

like to run a test after talking to a DAN Dr.

-jimk

Zeissler wrote:

>

> Bi lateral tear duct probing

>

> Re: [ ] Red cheeks, red ears, eczema

> >

> >

> >

> >My son has eczema on his legs and arms. His caused him to lose the

> color in

> >those spots where he had it. My dr's says thats normal. My son has

> >hydrocortisone cream and eurcerin lotion for it. I really don't know what

> >causes it the drs will not tell me.

> >

> >Liz <lizlawoptonline (DOT) <mailto:lizlaw%40optonline.net> net>

> wrote: Is

> >this a metal thing, a milk thing, or some other thing? Both kids had

> >this. We thought it was a teething thing (the cheeks) .My reading tells

> >me it is not a typical teething thing. I think in our case the cheeks

> >were a metal thing exacerbated by the milk, and then the metal was

> >trapped from the tylenol given. The red ears I could never get an answer

> >on. We left those alone. The eczema was left alone in daughter. In son

> >they gave us, gulp, steroid cream. I now think the big eczemaoutbreak

> >was an infection from a farm visit. It took a long time to go away and

> >the first strong cream given made it worse.

> >

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[Guest guest]

See, my question is if this genetic condition is truly genetic or one of

those genetic and environmental things. What I mean by this is that

tylenol (and God knows what else) traps metals in the liver. So, are you

and yours predisposed to this or predisposed to this and have other

factors involved. Thanks for the heads up. Based on family history of

low blood pressure, metal history, liver stuff, I may look into this for

me and mine. I have never once been able to donate blood

successfully...blood moves too slow...

howdiette wrote:

>My son had severe eczema at a really young age - 2. Its what took me

>to a DAN nutritionist. His test results showed a high copper overload

>and low in zinc. After using omegas and flax seed oil with aquaphor

>(topical ointment) his system slowly cleaned out. A probiotic was

>used for 3 months also and a daily multivitamin with minerals .

>

>Our family history shows hemochromatosis which is a genetic disorder

>for iron overload. The liver does not clean out the excess iron in

>your blood and leaves pockets of iron in vital organs causing heart

>disease, kidney problems, psoriasis of the liver, diabetes. The

>treatment is to phlebotomize (give blood once a month). It is a simple

>blood test given by a hemotologist. My son showed no results but

>should be tested again during puberty.

>

>all the best,

>Joanne

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with but want to add oxalates to the list for eczema

especially. Als0 -- I found it helpful to not try to isolate x=y, but

rather x=2 days after ___. Then after a few x reactions, looking to see

a trend. For us -- red ears were indications of many different

intolerances. They were the canary in the coal mine. I just had to

look back up to 3 days to see what it could be a reaction to. And I

learn more every day....

> julieobradovic@... wrote:

>

> >Eczema/Red cheeks...most likely a yeast problem caused by a metal

problem.

> >Red Ears....most likely a phenol intolerance.

> >Black eyes....most likely a leaky gut problem, evidence of food

intolerances.

> >

> >-------------- Original message --------------

> >From: Liz lizlaw@...

> >Is this a metal thing, a milk thing, or some other thing? Both kids

had

> >this. We thought it was a teething thing (the cheeks) .My reading

tells

> >me it is not a typical teething thing. I think in our case the cheeks

> >were a metal thing exacerbated by the milk, and then the metal was

> >trapped from the tylenol given. The red ears I could never get an

answer

> >on. We left those alone. The eczema was left alone in daughter. In

son

> >they gave us, gulp, steroid cream. I now think the big eczemaoutbreak

> >was an infection from a farm visit. It took a long time to go away

and

> >the first strong cream given made it worse.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Please look at the GFCF folder for stories. Ours is likely in there. If

not email me and I will tell you what I think milk removal did in all

three of us.We did a lot in a short time but I think I am fairly clear

on what milk removl did and did not do for me (I cheated more) and

mine. I don't think you need yet another doctor's permission to do a

trial 2 week elimination. Just make sure you have some way of assuring

calcium in the diet safely, as well as a good multi. If milk is a

problem you should see things in elimination. If casein is the problem

your elimination need not take long. If you consider doing it and fear

jolting the system you can do a slow elimination, one week---no cheese

(12lbs milk to make one lb of cheese), then no cheese and no ice cream

for week 2 then no cheese, ice cream or milk. Then 2 weeks of no milk of

any kind. You may not see the wow results though...I just don't know. I

am also not sure if you see wow results while on fish oil and here is

why...it seems to me that fish oil aids absorption in some way so if

milk is causing malabsorption and high dose fish oil masks it then you

may not know. I did this before trying fish oil. Not sure what

did but she could tell you more and the GFCF folder may have more

stories for all I know.

As an aside, your kid with the ear stuff, what color is the ear

wax...just a hunch but is it orange?

Thanks for the help!

Liz

Kavitsky wrote:

>Are you sure this is unrelated? There seem to be many people who blame

>milk/casein intolerance for plugged eustachian tubes leading to fluid in

>the ear, or an ear drum pressure condition. If this really is causal,

>it's not hard to see how the tear ducts could suffer a related obstruction.

>

>My son had fairly bad eczema when he was an infant, and also had to have

>his tear ducts probed. He now has also been diagnosed with a negative

>pressure condition in his ears. We have not tried CF yet, but I would

>like to run a test after talking to a DAN Dr.

>

>-jimk

>

> Zeissler wrote:

>

>

>>Bi lateral tear duct probing

>>

>> Re: [ ] Red cheeks, red ears, eczema

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>My son has eczema on his legs and arms. His caused him to lose the

>>>

>>>

>>color in

>>

>>

>>>those spots where he had it. My dr's says thats normal. My son has

>>>hydrocortisone cream and eurcerin lotion for it. I really don't know what

>>>causes it the drs will not tell me.

>>>

>>>Liz <lizlawoptonline (DOT) <mailto:lizlaw%40optonline.net> net>

>>>

>>>

>>wrote: Is

>>

>>

>>>this a metal thing, a milk thing, or some other thing? Both kids had

>>>this. We thought it was a teething thing (the cheeks) .My reading tells

>>>me it is not a typical teething thing. I think in our case the cheeks

>>>were a metal thing exacerbated by the milk, and then the metal was

>>>trapped from the tylenol given. The red ears I could never get an answer

>>>on. We left those alone. The eczema was left alone in daughter. In son

>>>they gave us, gulp, steroid cream. I now think the big eczemaoutbreak

>>>was an infection from a farm visit. It took a long time to go away and

>>>the first strong cream given made it worse.

>>>

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>>>

[Guest guest]

It prob. is related (however I am not a medical person only a concerned mom

who likes to research).

I wouldn't wait to talk to a DAN dr. Run a casin free test now but don't

use soy as your replacement. It only takes like 2-3 wks to see. The kids

like the almond milk and I use rice milk to cook with.

Both of my boy's speech therapists have commented on the huge gains and

greater levels of concentration they have since we have been basically milk

free since June. When I mention no milk, one said " yeah, pe tube kids

shouldn't have milk " WHY DIDN " T anyone suggest this to me 4 yrs ago?!?!?!?!

#3 is most likely going to be discharged in Jan from Speech therapy, they

are talking about going down to 1 session per week instead of our 2 sessions

currently.

I am very thankful that this was figured out with #4 so hopefully he won't

need all the intervention that the older 2 have had and are currently

receiving.

If your child has the neg pressure get PE tubes in ASAP. That condition is

very painful and hinders their speech in the long run as they are not

hearing clearly consistently.

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From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Kavitsky

Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 7:21 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Red cheeks, red ears, eczema

Are you sure this is unrelated? There seem to be many people who blame

milk/casein intolerance for plugged eustachian tubes leading to fluid in

the ear, or an ear drum pressure condition. If this really is causal,

it's not hard to see how the tear ducts could suffer a related obstruction.

My son had fairly bad eczema when he was an infant, and also had to have

his tear ducts probed. He now has also been diagnosed with a negative

pressure condition in his ears. We have not tried CF yet, but I would

like to run a test after talking to a DAN Dr.

-jimk

Zeissler wrote:

>

> Bi lateral tear duct probing

>

> Re: [ ] Red cheeks, red ears, eczema

> >

> >

> >

> >My son has eczema on his legs and arms. His caused him to lose the

> color in

> >those spots where he had it. My dr's says thats normal. My son has

> >hydrocortisone cream and eurcerin lotion for it. I really don't know what

> >causes it the drs will not tell me.

> >

> >Liz <lizlawoptonline (DOT) <mailto:lizlaw%40optonline.net> net>

> wrote: Is

> >this a metal thing, a milk thing, or some other thing? Both kids had

> >this. We thought it was a teething thing (the cheeks) .My reading tells

> >me it is not a typical teething thing. I think in our case the cheeks

> >were a metal thing exacerbated by the milk, and then the metal was

> >trapped from the tylenol given. The red ears I could never get an answer

> >on. We left those alone. The eczema was left alone in daughter. In son

> >they gave us, gulp, steroid cream. I now think the big eczemaoutbreak

> >was an infection from a farm visit. It took a long time to go away and

> >the first strong cream given made it worse.

> >

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> >

[Guest guest]

Did you check for metals in hair, poop, urine tests?

atwood wrote:

>My son has been off milk products for almost a year and still no change. It

has acually gotten worse. I don't know what else to do to help my son to get

relief from this. Anyone have any suggestions?

>

> Zeissler <hzeissler@...> wrote: Bi lateral tear

duct probing

>

> Re: [ ] Red cheeks, red ears, eczema

>>

>>

>>

>>My son has eczema on his legs and arms. His caused him to lose the color in

>>those spots where he had it. My dr's says thats normal. My son has

>>hydrocortisone cream and eurcerin lotion for it. I really don't know what

>>causes it the drs will not tell me.

>>

>>Liz <lizlawoptonline (DOT) <mailto:lizlaw%40optonline.net> net> wrote: Is

>>this a metal thing, a milk thing, or some other thing? Both kids had

>>this. We thought it was a teething thing (the cheeks) .My reading tells

>>me it is not a typical teething thing. I think in our case the cheeks

>>were a metal thing exacerbated by the milk, and then the metal was

>>trapped from the tylenol given. The red ears I could never get an answer

>>on. We left those alone. The eczema was left alone in daughter. In son

>>they gave us, gulp, steroid cream. I now think the big eczemaoutbreak

>>was an infection from a farm visit. It took a long time to go away and

>>the first strong cream given made it worse.

>>

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[Guest guest]

I am not a medical professional.

We are also off of soy and wheat. 1 of our speech therapists has her own

kids off of citrus.

What did you replace the milk with?

We did water with occasional glasses of rice/almond milk. I then cook with

the rice/almond milk.

We are not on any sort of infant formula. He is still breast fed.

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From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of atwood

Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 5:31 PM

Subject: RE: [ ] Red cheeks, red ears, eczema

My son has been off milk products for almost a year and still no change. It

has acually gotten worse. I don't know what else to do to help my son to get

relief from this. Anyone have any suggestions?

Zeissler <hzeissler@frontiern <mailto:hzeissler%40frontiernet.net>

et.net> wrote: Bi lateral tear duct probing

Re: [ ] Red cheeks, red ears, eczema

>

>

>

>My son has eczema on his legs and arms. His caused him to lose the color in

>those spots where he had it. My dr's says thats normal. My son has

>hydrocortisone cream and eurcerin lotion for it. I really don't know what

>causes it the drs will not tell me.

>

>Liz <lizlawoptonline (DOT) <mailto:lizlaw%40optonline.net> net> wrote: Is

>this a metal thing, a milk thing, or some other thing? Both kids had

>this. We thought it was a teething thing (the cheeks) .My reading tells

>me it is not a typical teething thing. I think in our case the cheeks

>were a metal thing exacerbated by the milk, and then the metal was

>trapped from the tylenol given. The red ears I could never get an answer

>on. We left those alone. The eczema was left alone in daughter. In son

>they gave us, gulp, steroid cream. I now think the big eczemaoutbreak

>was an infection from a farm visit. It took a long time to go away and

>the first strong cream given made it worse.

>

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[Guest guest]

I had to replace his milk with lactose free dairy. My son still has problems

with it.

Zeissler <hzeissler@...> wrote: I am not a medical

professional.

We are also off of soy and wheat. 1 of our speech therapists has her own

kids off of citrus.

What did you replace the milk with?

We did water with occasional glasses of rice/almond milk. I then cook with

the rice/almond milk.

We are not on any sort of infant formula. He is still breast fed.

_____

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of atwood

Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 5:31 PM

Subject: RE: [ ] Red cheeks, red ears, eczema

My son has been off milk products for almost a year and still no change. It

has acually gotten worse. I don't know what else to do to help my son to get

relief from this. Anyone have any suggestions?

Zeissler <hzeissler@frontiern <mailto:hzeissler%40frontiernet.net>

et.net> wrote: Bi lateral tear duct probing

Re: [ ] Red cheeks, red ears, eczema

>

>

>

>My son has eczema on his legs and arms. His caused him to lose the color in

>those spots where he had it. My dr's says thats normal. My son has

>hydrocortisone cream and eurcerin lotion for it. I really don't know what

>causes it the drs will not tell me.

>

>Liz <lizlawoptonline (DOT) <mailto:lizlaw%40optonline.net> net> wrote: Is

>this a metal thing, a milk thing, or some other thing? Both kids had

>this. We thought it was a teething thing (the cheeks) .My reading tells

>me it is not a typical teething thing. I think in our case the cheeks

>were a metal thing exacerbated by the milk, and then the metal was

>trapped from the tylenol given. The red ears I could never get an answer

>on. We left those alone. The eczema was left alone in daughter. In son

>they gave us, gulp, steroid cream. I now think the big eczemaoutbreak

>was an infection from a farm visit. It took a long time to go away and

>the first strong cream given made it worse.

>

>---------------------------------

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>news, photos & more.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Could be lactose is not the problem but something else in the milk.

atwood wrote:

>I had to replace his milk with lactose free dairy. My son still has problems

with it.

>

> Zeissler <hzeissler@...> wrote: I am not a medical

professional.

>

>We are also off of soy and wheat. 1 of our speech therapists has her own

>kids off of citrus.

>

>What did you replace the milk with?

>

>We did water with occasional glasses of rice/almond milk. I then cook with

>the rice/almond milk.

>

>

>

>We are not on any sort of infant formula. He is still breast fed.

>

>_____

>

>From:

>[mailto: ] On Behalf Of atwood

>Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 5:31 PM

>

>Subject: RE: [ ] Red cheeks, red ears, eczema

>

>My son has been off milk products for almost a year and still no change. It

>has acually gotten worse. I don't know what else to do to help my son to get

>relief from this. Anyone have any suggestions?

>

> Zeissler <hzeissler@frontiern <mailto:hzeissler%40frontiernet.net>

>et.net> wrote: Bi lateral tear duct probing

>

> Re: [ ] Red cheeks, red ears, eczema

>>

>>

>>

>>My son has eczema on his legs and arms. His caused him to lose the color in

>>those spots where he had it. My dr's says thats normal. My son has

>>hydrocortisone cream and eurcerin lotion for it. I really don't know what

>>causes it the drs will not tell me.

>>

>>Liz <lizlawoptonline (DOT) <mailto:lizlaw%40optonline.net> net> wrote: Is

>>this a metal thing, a milk thing, or some other thing? Both kids had

>>this. We thought it was a teething thing (the cheeks) .My reading tells

>>me it is not a typical teething thing. I think in our case the cheeks

>>were a metal thing exacerbated by the milk, and then the metal was

>>trapped from the tylenol given. The red ears I could never get an answer

>>on. We left those alone. The eczema was left alone in daughter. In son

>>they gave us, gulp, steroid cream. I now think the big eczemaoutbreak

>>was an infection from a farm visit. It took a long time to go away and

>>the first strong cream given made it worse.

>>

>>---------------------------------

>>Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail,

>>news, photos & more.

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

I would suggest stopping the lactose free stuff. We tried the lactose free

milk that and it actually made everything worse. Our allergist said it may

be a protein that the kids are reacting to rather than milk sugar, and if

that is the case then the lactose free stuff wouldn’t work. But no way to

really test a 2 yr old so use trial and error.

Try giving up the lactose free stuff for 2 wks and see if there are any

changes.

_____

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of atwood

Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 11:29 AM

Subject: RE: [ ] Red cheeks, red ears, eczema

I had to replace his milk with lactose free dairy. My son still has problems

with it.

Zeissler <hzeissler@frontiern <mailto:hzeissler%40frontiernet.net>

et.net> wrote: I am not a medical professional.

We are also off of soy and wheat. 1 of our speech therapists has her own

kids off of citrus.

What did you replace the milk with?

We did water with occasional glasses of rice/almond milk. I then cook with

the rice/almond milk.

We are not on any sort of infant formula. He is still breast fed.

_____

From: <mailto: %40>

[mailto: <mailto: %40>

] On Behalf Of atwood

Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 5:31 PM

<mailto: %40>

Subject: RE: [ ] Red cheeks, red ears, eczema

My son has been off milk products for almost a year and still no change. It

has acually gotten worse. I don't know what else to do to help my son to get

relief from this. Anyone have any suggestions?

Zeissler <hzeissler@frontiern <mailto:hzeissler%40frontiernet.net>

et.net> wrote: Bi lateral tear duct probing

Re: [ ] Red cheeks, red ears, eczema

>

>

>

>My son has eczema on his legs and arms. His caused him to lose the color in

>those spots where he had it. My dr's says thats normal. My son has

>hydrocortisone cream and eurcerin lotion for it. I really don't know what

>causes it the drs will not tell me.

>

>Liz <lizlawoptonline (DOT) <mailto:lizlaw%40optonline.net> net> wrote: Is

>this a metal thing, a milk thing, or some other thing? Both kids had

>this. We thought it was a teething thing (the cheeks) .My reading tells

>me it is not a typical teething thing. I think in our case the cheeks

>were a metal thing exacerbated by the milk, and then the metal was

>trapped from the tylenol given. The red ears I could never get an answer

>on. We left those alone. The eczema was left alone in daughter. In son

>they gave us, gulp, steroid cream. I now think the big eczemaoutbreak

>was an infection from a farm visit. It took a long time to go away and

>the first strong cream given made it worse.

>

>---------------------------------

>Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail,

>news, photos & more.

>

>

[Guest guest]

That " tube kids should not have milk " thing was my ent's response after

putting the tunes in, seeing regression and me deciding on my own to try

no milk and seeing results. ?His hearing is messed up still with the

tubes. My only hope is time, fish oil, etc. will get him help as the

other obvious dysraxia things are leaving. He passes the hearing tests

but has the sound of a hearing impaired kid.

Zeissler wrote:

>It prob. is related (however I am not a medical person only a concerned mom

>who likes to research).

>

>

>

>I wouldn't wait to talk to a DAN dr. Run a casin free test now but don't

>use soy as your replacement. It only takes like 2-3 wks to see. The kids

>like the almond milk and I use rice milk to cook with.

>

>

>

>Both of my boy's speech therapists have commented on the huge gains and

>greater levels of concentration they have since we have been basically milk

>free since June. When I mention no milk, one said " yeah, pe tube kids

>shouldn't have milk " WHY DIDN " T anyone suggest this to me 4 yrs ago?!?!?!?!

>

>

>

>#3 is most likely going to be discharged in Jan from Speech therapy, they

>are talking about going down to 1 session per week instead of our 2 sessions

>currently.

>

>

>

>I am very thankful that this was figured out with #4 so hopefully he won't

>need all the intervention that the older 2 have had and are currently

>receiving.

>

>

>

>If your child has the neg pressure get PE tubes in ASAP. That condition is

>very painful and hinders their speech in the long run as they are not

>hearing clearly consistently.

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

>From:

>[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Kavitsky

>Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 7:21 PM

>

>Subject: Re: [ ] Red cheeks, red ears, eczema

>

>

>

>Are you sure this is unrelated? There seem to be many people who blame

>milk/casein intolerance for plugged eustachian tubes leading to fluid in

>the ear, or an ear drum pressure condition. If this really is causal,

>it's not hard to see how the tear ducts could suffer a related obstruction.

>

>My son had fairly bad eczema when he was an infant, and also had to have

>his tear ducts probed. He now has also been diagnosed with a negative

>pressure condition in his ears. We have not tried CF yet, but I would

>like to run a test after talking to a DAN Dr.

>

>-jimk

>

> Zeissler wrote:

>

>

>>Bi lateral tear duct probing

>>

>> Re: [ ] Red cheeks, red ears, eczema

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>My son has eczema on his legs and arms. His caused him to lose the

>>>

>>>

>>color in

>>

>>

>>>those spots where he had it. My dr's says thats normal. My son has

>>>hydrocortisone cream and eurcerin lotion for it. I really don't know what

>>>causes it the drs will not tell me.

>>>

>>>Liz <lizlawoptonline (DOT) <mailto:lizlaw%40optonline.net> net>

>>>

>>>

>>wrote: Is

>>

>>

>>>this a metal thing, a milk thing, or some other thing? Both kids had

>>>this. We thought it was a teething thing (the cheeks) .My reading tells

>>>me it is not a typical teething thing. I think in our case the cheeks

>>>were a metal thing exacerbated by the milk, and then the metal was

>>>trapped from the tylenol given. The red ears I could never get an answer

>>>on. We left those alone. The eczema was left alone in daughter. In son

>>>they gave us, gulp, steroid cream. I now think the big eczemaoutbreak

>>>was an infection from a farm visit. It took a long time to go away and

>>>the first strong cream given made it worse.

>>>

>>>---------------------------------

>>>Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail,

>>>news, photos & more.

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

I don't know. I took him to the dr. yesterday and I asked him and he wouldn't

tell me what one thing could be that problem.. He said it could be a huge number

of things that causes it. He also said that it is very hard to eliminate

everything b/c so many of the tings it could can be in almost everything he

eats.

Liz <lizlaw@...> wrote: Could be lactose is not the

problem but something else in the milk.

atwood wrote:

>I had to replace his milk with lactose free dairy. My son still has problems

with it.

>

> Zeissler <hzeissler@...> wrote: I am not a medical

professional.

>

>We are also off of soy and wheat. 1 of our speech therapists has her own

>kids off of citrus.

>

>What did you replace the milk with?

>

>We did water with occasional glasses of rice/almond milk. I then cook with

>the rice/almond milk.

>

>

>

>We are not on any sort of infant formula. He is still breast fed.

>

>_____

>

>From:

>[mailto: ] On Behalf Of atwood

>Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 5:31 PM

>

>Subject: RE: [ ] Red cheeks, red ears, eczema

>

>My son has been off milk products for almost a year and still no change. It

>has acually gotten worse. I don't know what else to do to help my son to get

>relief from this. Anyone have any suggestions?

>

> Zeissler <hzeissler@frontiern <mailto:hzeissler%40frontiernet.net>

>et.net> wrote: Bi lateral tear duct probing

>

> Re: [ ] Red cheeks, red ears, eczema

>>

>>

>>

>>My son has eczema on his legs and arms. His caused him to lose the color in

>>those spots where he had it. My dr's says thats normal. My son has

>>hydrocortisone cream and eurcerin lotion for it. I really don't know what

>>causes it the drs will not tell me.

>>

>>Liz <lizlawoptonline (DOT) <mailto:lizlaw%40optonline.net> net> wrote: Is

>>this a metal thing, a milk thing, or some other thing? Both kids had

>>this. We thought it was a teething thing (the cheeks) .My reading tells

>>me it is not a typical teething thing. I think in our case the cheeks

>>were a metal thing exacerbated by the milk, and then the metal was

>>trapped from the tylenol given. The red ears I could never get an answer

>>on. We left those alone. The eczema was left alone in daughter. In son

>>they gave us, gulp, steroid cream. I now think the big eczemaoutbreak

>>was an infection from a farm visit. It took a long time to go away and

>>the first strong cream given made it worse.

>>

>>---------------------------------

>>Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail,

>>news, photos & more.

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

That answer is why I tried an elimination diet. Not fun but it changed

our lives.

atwood wrote:

>I don't know. I took him to the dr. yesterday and I asked him and he wouldn't

tell me what one thing could be that problem.. He said it could be a huge number

of things that causes it. He also said that it is very hard to eliminate

everything b/c so many of the tings it could can be in almost everything he

eats.

>

>Liz <lizlaw@...> wrote: Could be lactose is not the

problem but something else in the milk.

>

> atwood wrote:

>

>

>

>>I had to replace his milk with lactose free dairy. My son still has problems

with it.

>>

>> Zeissler <hzeissler@...> wrote: I am not a medical

professional.

>>

>>We are also off of soy and wheat. 1 of our speech therapists has her own

>>kids off of citrus.

>>

>>What did you replace the milk with?

>>

>>We did water with occasional glasses of rice/almond milk. I then cook with

>>the rice/almond milk.

>>

>>

>>

>>We are not on any sort of infant formula. He is still breast fed.

>>

>>_____

>>

>>From:

>>[mailto: ] On Behalf Of atwood

>>Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 5:31 PM

>>

>>Subject: RE: [ ] Red cheeks, red ears, eczema

>>

>>My son has been off milk products for almost a year and still no change. It

>>has acually gotten worse. I don't know what else to do to help my son to get

>>relief from this. Anyone have any suggestions?

>>

>> Zeissler <hzeissler@frontiern <mailto:hzeissler%40frontiernet.net>

>>et.net> wrote: Bi lateral tear duct probing

>>

>> Re: [ ] Red cheeks, red ears, eczema

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>My son has eczema on his legs and arms. His caused him to lose the color in

>>>those spots where he had it. My dr's says thats normal. My son has

>>>hydrocortisone cream and eurcerin lotion for it. I really don't know what

>>>causes it the drs will not tell me.

>>>

>>>Liz <lizlawoptonline (DOT) <mailto:lizlaw%40optonline.net> net> wrote: Is

>>>this a metal thing, a milk thing, or some other thing? Both kids had

>>>this. We thought it was a teething thing (the cheeks) .My reading tells

>>>me it is not a typical teething thing. I think in our case the cheeks

>>>were a metal thing exacerbated by the milk, and then the metal was

>>>trapped from the tylenol given. The red ears I could never get an answer

>>>on. We left those alone. The eczema was left alone in daughter. In son

>>>they gave us, gulp, steroid cream. I now think the big eczemaoutbreak

>>>was an infection from a farm visit. It took a long time to go away and

>>>the first strong cream given made it worse.

>>>

>>>---------------------------------

>>>Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail,

>>>news, photos & more.

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

The following statements seem a little broad, particularly that they

are premised by " most likely " .

Eczema/Red cheeks...most likely a yeast problem caused by a metal

problem.

Red Ears....most likely a phenol intolerance.

Black eyes....most likely a leaky gut problem, evidence of food

intolerances.

Literally tens of millions of people have eczema - worldwide. It

seems unlikely that they all have metal problems. Maybe dietary

insufficiencies? For the person who has had their child off of milk

for a full year but there has been no improvement, is there a good

reason to then stay off the milk?

Many of these issues - like milk intolerance - make an appearance on

the boards in regular cycles. One person thinks it has helped their

child to go off milk, and then many either think they need to go off

milk or feel guilty because they don't. Being GFCF has been around in

the autism circles for quite some time - if it were universally

beneficial, we would certainly know about it. Some children are

helped, some are not.

When a certain 'tpye' of discussion dominates the board, many begin to

feel that they are the only ones who are not pursuing a particular

route. Usually it is the other way around - when a topic is of

relevance and interest to your child, a small group of people are

completely engaged in the conversation. The majority are then quiet

until a new topic starts to gain steam. Right now the topics seem to

be GFCF, milk, flouride, yeast, gut issues, etc. If past experience

is any indication, next month, it will probably be something

completely different.

Eczema/Red cheeks...most likely a yeast problem caused by a metal

problem.

Red Ears....most likely a phenol intolerance.

Black eyes....most likely a leaky gut problem, evidence of food

intolerances.

-------------- Original message --------------

> From: Liz <lizlaw@...>

> Is this a metal thing, a milk thing, or some other thing? Both kids had

> this. We thought it was a teething thing (the cheeks) .My reading tells

> me it is not a typical teething thing. I think in our case the cheeks

> were a metal thing exacerbated by the milk, and then the metal was

> trapped from the tylenol given. The red ears I could never get an

answer

> on. We left those alone. The eczema was left alone in daughter. In son

> they gave us, gulp, steroid cream. I now think the big eczemaoutbreak

> was an infection from a farm visit. It took a long time to go away and

> the first strong cream given made it worse.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I believe wrote most likely to avoid saying definitely. That was

very responsible. Lots of people have eczema. It is a fair bet that lots

of those same people suffer from too much or the incorrect balance of

metals in their bodies given the presence of metal in everything we eat,

breath and drink, particularly, my favorite, tainted water.

There are lots of good reasons to stay off milk but if you see no change

off of it there may very well be better reasons to stay on it. That is

only for the parent of the individual child to determine. Also, being

off milk without replacing things that are good in milk is, in my

opinion, foolish. I believe that because, for a time, I did it.

How can anything be universally beneficial, particularly GFCF, when we

don't know the exact cause of it? Even if you have a hundred kids wth

autism and it is determined they have metal issues it may not be the

same metal, gender may make a difference, and genetics plays a role

along with age and other historical factors and environmental exposures.

We don't know all that much about any of this. That is the beauty of the

board. We use our collective observations of our kids, drs visits, and

food and vitamin tips as resources. The individual parents review the

info. and weed in or out what seems to apply to their kid. It is

empowering and frightening. When I first read this board 3 months ago I

thought what I saw was reckless and it frightened me. I am still

frightened but by something different: by the help I did not get from

the places I was supposed to and the blind eye that was turned to what

was wrong with my kids, which, by the way, was minor. I still have no

diagnosis. I remain frightened for the parents, who, out of the despair

I know each and every parent here has felt, may unknowingly harm their

child because of help they never got or not fully knowing how to manage

their own gut and the resistance from those who are supposed to help. I

am frightened because were it not for this board I am not sure my son

would have ever had a good life. He is, without exaggeration, reborn. It

still scares me. In the end though, I will be told " he grew out of it. "

Ask me if I care. I know what I saw.

Multiple topics are the best shot we have at hitting all the targets on

our kids. I know part of my discussion in the future, should anyone want

to engage in it, will be curing the damage done to my son's ears. The

ones that test perfect but have been blocking his ability to speak clearly.

I do believe people should not feel pressured to try things. I know for

me I felt initially pressured to try fish oil. I waited 3 months. I am

glad I did because had I done it sooner it would have prevented me from

acknowledging all my son's issues and having a better chance at

addressing all of them and marking their progress.

karen_peikert wrote:

>The following statements seem a little broad, particularly that they

>are premised by " most likely " .

>

> Eczema/Red cheeks...most likely a yeast problem caused by a metal

>problem.

> Red Ears....most likely a phenol intolerance.

> Black eyes....most likely a leaky gut problem, evidence of food

>intolerances.

>

>Literally tens of millions of people have eczema - worldwide. It

>seems unlikely that they all have metal problems. Maybe dietary

>insufficiencies? For the person who has had their child off of milk

>for a full year but there has been no improvement, is there a good

>reason to then stay off the milk?

>

>Many of these issues - like milk intolerance - make an appearance on

>the boards in regular cycles. One person thinks it has helped their

>child to go off milk, and then many either think they need to go off

>milk or feel guilty because they don't. Being GFCF has been around in

>the autism circles for quite some time - if it were universally

>beneficial, we would certainly know about it. Some children are

>helped, some are not.

>

>When a certain 'tpye' of discussion dominates the board, many begin to

>feel that they are the only ones who are not pursuing a particular

>route. Usually it is the other way around - when a topic is of

>relevance and interest to your child, a small group of people are

>completely engaged in the conversation. The majority are then quiet

>until a new topic starts to gain steam. Right now the topics seem to

>be GFCF, milk, flouride, yeast, gut issues, etc. If past experience

>is any indication, next month, it will probably be something

>completely different.

>

>

>

> Eczema/Red cheeks...most likely a yeast problem caused by a metal

>problem.

> Red Ears....most likely a phenol intolerance.

> Black eyes....most likely a leaky gut problem, evidence of food

>intolerances.

>

> -------------- Original message --------------

>

>

>>From: Liz <lizlaw@...>

>>Is this a metal thing, a milk thing, or some other thing? Both kids had

>>this. We thought it was a teething thing (the cheeks) .My reading tells

>>me it is not a typical teething thing. I think in our case the cheeks

>>were a metal thing exacerbated by the milk, and then the metal was

>>trapped from the tylenol given. The red ears I could never get an

>>

>>

>answer

>

>

>>on. We left those alone. The eczema was left alone in daughter. In son

>>they gave us, gulp, steroid cream. I now think the big eczemaoutbreak

>>was an infection from a farm visit. It took a long time to go away and

>>the first strong cream given made it worse.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>