RE: Learn from our mistakes-and I'm a pediatric nurse......

[Guest guest]

Wow. It was suggested to me that if the school throws a fit, to just say

" " I am going to homeschool " Allegedly that upsets them more because then

they lose all of their funding for that child. Have you thought about

switching schools?

So basically, your message is to hold your child back to give them the extra

year to level out?

My son had fluid in his ears until he was 26 months. The ENT told me he

needed extensive therapy. We didn't have any infections either. We found

it by taking a plane trip.. That trip was very interesting.

_____

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Dian Kane

Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 2:04 PM

Subject: [ ] Learn from our mistakes-and I'm a pediatric

nurse......

Charlie is now 6yo. He will be 7 in May " 07. He was started in

speech at 2yo (we were told he's probably autistic because he

wouldn't talk at all). He then transitioned to early intervention,

then the 3 yo program at the school, then at 4yo. When he was 4yo,

we discovered he had fluid in his ears by mistake. My new baby at the

time saw an ENT for recurrent sinus infection and the ENT thought

Charlie needed to be looked at also. He noticed a speech delay and

certain sound to his voice he said. WE don't live in a remote area,

no one told us to ahve his hearing evaluated!!! All the speech

therapists said they thought he heard too!!! They assumed he was

PPD_NOS or autistic. (He never had ear infections, no one ever

pushed me for evaluation and I thought he heard). He flunked the

hearing test and I felt horrible. I still feel horrible adn so

responsible. After the tubes, he started talking. We continued

speech and OT (he has sensory integration disorder as well- he likes

deep pressure). At 5 years of age we wanted to hold him back a year

for obvious reasons. He was catching up with speech and

developmental milestones. He was very ambidexterous and did not

cross midline. He is very awkward riding a bike. Gets tired easily

with activity. Could not hold a pencil well or write his name. So,

being Catholic, his father and I decided on a Catholic Kindergarten

in the area. We thought it would give him a good year of normal

children speech and I still took him to speech at the school for

60minutes a week. I spent 2 1/2 hours speaking with the principle

explaining Charlie. His needs, his issues, we were holding him back

etc.... Then the second day of kindergarteen, the teacher freaked out

and in front of a line of mothers told me that my son would not make

it in their class (he could not write his name) I was pissed....I

told the principle who obviously didn't convey this to the

teacher......I called another IEP meeting and we got " pushed forward "

into kindergarten. We told them we wanted him held back at the end

of kindergarten and they told us " Let us have him for the full day to

give him proper services " ...He gets social, OT, and Speech. " He's

doing so well and catching up so nicely. Well, this year he has made

huge gains. He no longer has a receptive delay, now it's just

expressive. Last year he answered questions, but didn't have alot to

say still. Now he word searches and gropes around when he's trying

to tell stories. Now has a lot to say, he just get's stuck. He's

good at guessing words (he's supposedlythe best readerin the

class, ..although his phonetic awareness is not great. (I think he

might be dylexic) His math is o.k. But, he cannot say a sentence

with proper structure, so how will he write it next year.? ..OH, his

writing is better, you can tell the letter, but no distinction

between upper, lower and no spacing. For those reasons, we wanted

to hold him back. OH MY GOD> you would of thought we were asking

for organs from the director of the IEP. We now have a meeting in

June with the superintendent and principle. WE are also going to

have a neuropsych evaluation, neurology eval and see a developmental

pediatrician evaluation in the next few months before June. He's

changed so much every year that I was waiting till he platued alittle

from the ear thing. I thought 7 was the appropriate age (so did my

pediatrician). Anyhow, I live in Lockport. The teachers love him (I

have no doubt). Charlie is funny and sweet, but he has horrible self

esteem issues. He's in the cross categorical room and this school

does not have a resource person. You are either in the regular class

or the cross categorical. The resource person is the special ed

teacher's class. There are now 15 kids in the class with one

teacher and two para-professionals. We had him evaluated by a

clinical psychologist because they thought he had ADHD (not sensory)

and she determined it was a stress response not ADHD and not in the

PPD -NOS spectrum. SO......What do you all think? I'm so

confused. I wanted to hold him back, put him in the regular first

grade class (with a helper if needed) and be pulled for speech and

OT... Why is the school so freaked out and now playing this bully

tactic bringing the superintendent and principle? Do they lose money

holding him back? Do they get dinged by the district?

I really would like to know for a 50 pounder how much and what brand

of vitamins to get and to try.....thanks.....dian kane , Lockport, IL

[Guest guest]

Are you trying to have your 7 year old repeat 1st grade? I got lost

in the middle. Private kindergarten was a bust so he went to full

day kindergarten at 5 and 6?

>

> Wow. It was suggested to me that if the school throws a fit, to

just say

> " " I am going to homeschool " Allegedly that upsets them more

because then

> they lose all of their funding for that child. Have you thought

about

> switching schools?

>

>

>

> So basically, your message is to hold your child back to give them

the extra

> year to level out?

>

>

>

> My son had fluid in his ears until he was 26 months. The ENT told

me he

> needed extensive therapy. We didn't have any infections either.

We found

> it by taking a plane trip.. That trip was very interesting.

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From:

> [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Dian Kane

> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 2:04 PM

>

> Subject: [ ] Learn from our mistakes-and I'm a

pediatric

> nurse......

>

>

>

> Charlie is now 6yo. He will be 7 in May " 07. He was started in

> speech at 2yo (we were told he's probably autistic because he

> wouldn't talk at all). He then transitioned to early intervention,

> then the 3 yo program at the school, then at 4yo. When he was 4yo,

> we discovered he had fluid in his ears by mistake. My new baby at

the

> time saw an ENT for recurrent sinus infection and the ENT thought

> Charlie needed to be looked at also. He noticed a speech delay and

> certain sound to his voice he said. WE don't live in a remote area,

> no one told us to ahve his hearing evaluated!!! All the speech

> therapists said they thought he heard too!!! They assumed he was

> PPD_NOS or autistic. (He never had ear infections, no one ever

> pushed me for evaluation and I thought he heard). He flunked the

> hearing test and I felt horrible. I still feel horrible adn so

> responsible. After the tubes, he started talking. We continued

> speech and OT (he has sensory integration disorder as well- he

likes

> deep pressure). At 5 years of age we wanted to hold him back a year

> for obvious reasons. He was catching up with speech and

> developmental milestones. He was very ambidexterous and did not

> cross midline. He is very awkward riding a bike. Gets tired easily

> with activity. Could not hold a pencil well or write his name. So,

> being Catholic, his father and I decided on a Catholic Kindergarten

> in the area. We thought it would give him a good year of normal

> children speech and I still took him to speech at the school for

> 60minutes a week. I spent 2 1/2 hours speaking with the principle

> explaining Charlie. His needs, his issues, we were holding him back

> etc.... Then the second day of kindergarteen, the teacher freaked

out

> and in front of a line of mothers told me that my son would not

make

> it in their class (he could not write his name) I was pissed....I

> told the principle who obviously didn't convey this to the

> teacher......I called another IEP meeting and we got " pushed

forward "

> into kindergarten. We told them we wanted him held back at the end

> of kindergarten and they told us " Let us have him for the full day

to

> give him proper services " ...He gets social, OT, and Speech. " He's

> doing so well and catching up so nicely. Well, this year he has

made

> huge gains. He no longer has a receptive delay, now it's just

> expressive. Last year he answered questions, but didn't have alot

to

> say still. Now he word searches and gropes around when he's trying

> to tell stories. Now has a lot to say, he just get's stuck. He's

> good at guessing words (he's supposedlythe best readerin the

> class, ..although his phonetic awareness is not great. (I think he

> might be dylexic) His math is o.k. But, he cannot say a sentence

> with proper structure, so how will he write it next year.? ..OH,

his

> writing is better, you can tell the letter, but no distinction

> between upper, lower and no spacing. For those reasons, we wanted

> to hold him back. OH MY GOD> you would of thought we were asking

> for organs from the director of the IEP. We now have a meeting in

> June with the superintendent and principle. WE are also going to

> have a neuropsych evaluation, neurology eval and see a

developmental

> pediatrician evaluation in the next few months before June. He's

> changed so much every year that I was waiting till he platued

alittle

> from the ear thing. I thought 7 was the appropriate age (so did my

> pediatrician). Anyhow, I live in Lockport. The teachers love him (I

> have no doubt). Charlie is funny and sweet, but he has horrible

self

> esteem issues. He's in the cross categorical room and this school

> does not have a resource person. You are either in the regular

class

> or the cross categorical. The resource person is the special ed

> teacher's class. There are now 15 kids in the class with one

> teacher and two para-professionals. We had him evaluated by a

> clinical psychologist because they thought he had ADHD (not

sensory)

> and she determined it was a stress response not ADHD and not in the

> PPD -NOS spectrum. SO......What do you all think? I'm so

> confused. I wanted to hold him back, put him in the regular first

> grade class (with a helper if needed) and be pulled for speech and

> OT... Why is the school so freaked out and now playing this bully

> tactic bringing the superintendent and principle? Do they lose

money

> holding him back? Do they get dinged by the district?

>

> I really would like to know for a 50 pounder how much and what

brand

> of vitamins to get and to try.....thanks.....dian kane , Lockport,

IL

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm getting an advocate from Chicago and we'll see what the doctors say. I

don't want to hurt him by holding him back. I just think he would benefit from

it. If all three specialists say no, then I guess I won't but even then I'll

have to really think about it. I think he can be in a regular class. He's a

smart boy to have caught up so fast. I just think he needs some adjustment

time.....I was told to hold firm and that the parents have the last say....we'll

see.....

Zeissler <hzeissler@...> wrote: Wow. It was

suggested to me that if the school throws a fit, to just say

" " I am going to homeschool " Allegedly that upsets them more because then

they lose all of their funding for that child. Have you thought about

switching schools?

So basically, your message is to hold your child back to give them the extra

year to level out?

My son had fluid in his ears until he was 26 months. The ENT told me he

needed extensive therapy. We didn't have any infections either. We found

it by taking a plane trip.. That trip was very interesting.

_____

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Dian Kane

Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 2:04 PM

Subject: [ ] Learn from our mistakes-and I'm a pediatric

nurse......

Charlie is now 6yo. He will be 7 in May " 07. He was started in

speech at 2yo (we were told he's probably autistic because he

wouldn't talk at all). He then transitioned to early intervention,

then the 3 yo program at the school, then at 4yo. When he was 4yo,

we discovered he had fluid in his ears by mistake. My new baby at the

time saw an ENT for recurrent sinus infection and the ENT thought

Charlie needed to be looked at also. He noticed a speech delay and

certain sound to his voice he said. WE don't live in a remote area,

no one told us to ahve his hearing evaluated!!! All the speech

therapists said they thought he heard too!!! They assumed he was

PPD_NOS or autistic. (He never had ear infections, no one ever

pushed me for evaluation and I thought he heard). He flunked the

hearing test and I felt horrible. I still feel horrible adn so

responsible. After the tubes, he started talking. We continued

speech and OT (he has sensory integration disorder as well- he likes

deep pressure). At 5 years of age we wanted to hold him back a year

for obvious reasons. He was catching up with speech and

developmental milestones. He was very ambidexterous and did not

cross midline. He is very awkward riding a bike. Gets tired easily

with activity. Could not hold a pencil well or write his name. So,

being Catholic, his father and I decided on a Catholic Kindergarten

in the area. We thought it would give him a good year of normal

children speech and I still took him to speech at the school for

60minutes a week. I spent 2 1/2 hours speaking with the principle

explaining Charlie. His needs, his issues, we were holding him back

etc.... Then the second day of kindergarteen, the teacher freaked out

and in front of a line of mothers told me that my son would not make

it in their class (he could not write his name) I was pissed....I

told the principle who obviously didn't convey this to the

teacher......I called another IEP meeting and we got " pushed forward "

into kindergarten. We told them we wanted him held back at the end

of kindergarten and they told us " Let us have him for the full day to

give him proper services " ...He gets social, OT, and Speech. " He's

doing so well and catching up so nicely. Well, this year he has made

huge gains. He no longer has a receptive delay, now it's just

expressive. Last year he answered questions, but didn't have alot to

say still. Now he word searches and gropes around when he's trying

to tell stories. Now has a lot to say, he just get's stuck. He's

good at guessing words (he's supposedlythe best readerin the

class, ..although his phonetic awareness is not great. (I think he

might be dylexic) His math is o.k. But, he cannot say a sentence

with proper structure, so how will he write it next year.? ..OH, his

writing is better, you can tell the letter, but no distinction

between upper, lower and no spacing. For those reasons, we wanted

to hold him back. OH MY GOD> you would of thought we were asking

for organs from the director of the IEP. We now have a meeting in

June with the superintendent and principle. WE are also going to

have a neuropsych evaluation, neurology eval and see a developmental

pediatrician evaluation in the next few months before June. He's

changed so much every year that I was waiting till he platued alittle

from the ear thing. I thought 7 was the appropriate age (so did my

pediatrician). Anyhow, I live in Lockport. The teachers love him (I

have no doubt). Charlie is funny and sweet, but he has horrible self

esteem issues. He's in the cross categorical room and this school

does not have a resource person. You are either in the regular class

or the cross categorical. The resource person is the special ed

teacher's class. There are now 15 kids in the class with one

teacher and two para-professionals. We had him evaluated by a

clinical psychologist because they thought he had ADHD (not sensory)

and she determined it was a stress response not ADHD and not in the

PPD -NOS spectrum. SO......What do you all think? I'm so

confused. I wanted to hold him back, put him in the regular first

grade class (with a helper if needed) and be pulled for speech and

OT... Why is the school so freaked out and now playing this bully

tactic bringing the superintendent and principle? Do they lose money

holding him back? Do they get dinged by the district?

I really would like to know for a 50 pounder how much and what brand

of vitamins to get and to try.....thanks.....dian kane , Lockport, IL

[Guest guest]

I would hold firm. I haven't read or heard from anyone that they were sorry

they held their child back. Usually it is the other way around.

_____

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Dian Kane

Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 6:59 AM

Subject: RE: [ ] Learn from our mistakes-and I'm a

pediatric nurse......

I'm getting an advocate from Chicago and we'll see what the doctors say. I

don't want to hurt him by holding him back. I just think he would benefit

from it. If all three specialists say no, then I guess I won't but even then

I'll have to really think about it. I think he can be in a regular class.

He's a smart boy to have caught up so fast. I just think he needs some

adjustment time.....I was told to hold firm and that the parents have the

last say....we'll see.....

Zeissler <hzeissler@frontiern <mailto:hzeissler%40frontiernet.net>

et.net> wrote: Wow. It was suggested to me that if the school throws a fit,

to just say

" " I am going to homeschool " Allegedly that upsets them more because then

they lose all of their funding for that child. Have you thought about

switching schools?

So basically, your message is to hold your child back to give them the extra

year to level out?

My son had fluid in his ears until he was 26 months. The ENT told me he

needed extensive therapy. We didn't have any infections either. We found

it by taking a plane trip.. That trip was very interesting.

_____

From: <mailto: %40>

[mailto: <mailto: %40>

] On Behalf Of Dian Kane

Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 2:04 PM

<mailto: %40>

Subject: [ ] Learn from our mistakes-and I'm a pediatric

nurse......

Charlie is now 6yo. He will be 7 in May " 07. He was started in

speech at 2yo (we were told he's probably autistic because he

wouldn't talk at all). He then transitioned to early intervention,

then the 3 yo program at the school, then at 4yo. When he was 4yo,

we discovered he had fluid in his ears by mistake. My new baby at the

time saw an ENT for recurrent sinus infection and the ENT thought

Charlie needed to be looked at also. He noticed a speech delay and

certain sound to his voice he said. WE don't live in a remote area,

no one told us to ahve his hearing evaluated!!! All the speech

therapists said they thought he heard too!!! They assumed he was

PPD_NOS or autistic. (He never had ear infections, no one ever

pushed me for evaluation and I thought he heard). He flunked the

hearing test and I felt horrible. I still feel horrible adn so

responsible. After the tubes, he started talking. We continued

speech and OT (he has sensory integration disorder as well- he likes

deep pressure). At 5 years of age we wanted to hold him back a year

for obvious reasons. He was catching up with speech and

developmental milestones. He was very ambidexterous and did not

cross midline. He is very awkward riding a bike. Gets tired easily

with activity. Could not hold a pencil well or write his name. So,

being Catholic, his father and I decided on a Catholic Kindergarten

in the area. We thought it would give him a good year of normal

children speech and I still took him to speech at the school for

60minutes a week. I spent 2 1/2 hours speaking with the principle

explaining Charlie. His needs, his issues, we were holding him back

etc.... Then the second day of kindergarteen, the teacher freaked out

and in front of a line of mothers told me that my son would not make

it in their class (he could not write his name) I was pissed....I

told the principle who obviously didn't convey this to the

teacher......I called another IEP meeting and we got " pushed forward "

into kindergarten. We told them we wanted him held back at the end

of kindergarten and they told us " Let us have him for the full day to

give him proper services " ...He gets social, OT, and Speech. " He's

doing so well and catching up so nicely. Well, this year he has made

huge gains. He no longer has a receptive delay, now it's just

expressive. Last year he answered questions, but didn't have alot to

say still. Now he word searches and gropes around when he's trying

to tell stories. Now has a lot to say, he just get's stuck. He's

good at guessing words (he's supposedlythe best readerin the

class, ..although his phonetic awareness is not great. (I think he

might be dylexic) His math is o.k. But, he cannot say a sentence

with proper structure, so how will he write it next year.? ..OH, his

writing is better, you can tell the letter, but no distinction

between upper, lower and no spacing. For those reasons, we wanted

to hold him back. OH MY GOD> you would of thought we were asking

for organs from the director of the IEP. We now have a meeting in

June with the superintendent and principle. WE are also going to

have a neuropsych evaluation, neurology eval and see a developmental

pediatrician evaluation in the next few months before June. He's

changed so much every year that I was waiting till he platued alittle

from the ear thing. I thought 7 was the appropriate age (so did my

pediatrician). Anyhow, I live in Lockport. The teachers love him (I

have no doubt). Charlie is funny and sweet, but he has horrible self

esteem issues. He's in the cross categorical room and this school

does not have a resource person. You are either in the regular class

or the cross categorical. The resource person is the special ed

teacher's class. There are now 15 kids in the class with one

teacher and two para-professionals. We had him evaluated by a

clinical psychologist because they thought he had ADHD (not sensory)

and she determined it was a stress response not ADHD and not in the

PPD -NOS spectrum. SO......What do you all think? I'm so

confused. I wanted to hold him back, put him in the regular first

grade class (with a helper if needed) and be pulled for speech and

OT... Why is the school so freaked out and now playing this bully

tactic bringing the superintendent and principle? Do they lose money

holding him back? Do they get dinged by the district?

I really would like to know for a 50 pounder how much and what brand

of vitamins to get and to try.....thanks.....dian kane , Lockport, IL

[Guest guest]

Thank you.....I feel bad, I just don't think he's ready for 2nd grade. We plan

on making the repeat year compeltely different. Different teacher and

structure...etc...Currently he's in a cross categorical room. Next year we

would like him in a regular class and pulled out for OT and speech..... His

friends in the neighborhood will be in 1st grade next year too. I'm hoping this

will take the " embarrassment " away. He'll go from being the youngest to the

oldest. He does like being a leader. he's not a good follower...

Zeissler <hzeissler@...> wrote: I would hold firm.

I haven't read or heard from anyone that they were sorry

they held their child back. Usually it is the other way around.

_____

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Dian Kane

Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 6:59 AM

Subject: RE: [ ] Learn from our mistakes-and I'm a

pediatric nurse......

I'm getting an advocate from Chicago and we'll see what the doctors say. I

don't want to hurt him by holding him back. I just think he would benefit

from it. If all three specialists say no, then I guess I won't but even then

I'll have to really think about it. I think he can be in a regular class.

He's a smart boy to have caught up so fast. I just think he needs some

adjustment time.....I was told to hold firm and that the parents have the

last say....we'll see.....

Zeissler <hzeissler@frontiern <mailto:hzeissler%40frontiernet.net>

et.net> wrote: Wow. It was suggested to me that if the school throws a fit,

to just say

" " I am going to homeschool " Allegedly that upsets them more because then

they lose all of their funding for that child. Have you thought about

switching schools?

So basically, your message is to hold your child back to give them the extra

year to level out?

My son had fluid in his ears until he was 26 months. The ENT told me he

needed extensive therapy. We didn't have any infections either. We found

it by taking a plane trip.. That trip was very interesting.

_____

From: <mailto: %40>

[mailto: <mailto: %40>

] On Behalf Of Dian Kane

Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 2:04 PM

<mailto: %40>

Subject: [ ] Learn from our mistakes-and I'm a pediatric

nurse......

Charlie is now 6yo. He will be 7 in May " 07. He was started in

speech at 2yo (we were told he's probably autistic because he

wouldn't talk at all). He then transitioned to early intervention,

then the 3 yo program at the school, then at 4yo. When he was 4yo,

we discovered he had fluid in his ears by mistake. My new baby at the

time saw an ENT for recurrent sinus infection and the ENT thought

Charlie needed to be looked at also. He noticed a speech delay and

certain sound to his voice he said. WE don't live in a remote area,

no one told us to ahve his hearing evaluated!!! All the speech

therapists said they thought he heard too!!! They assumed he was

PPD_NOS or autistic. (He never had ear infections, no one ever

pushed me for evaluation and I thought he heard). He flunked the

hearing test and I felt horrible. I still feel horrible adn so

responsible. After the tubes, he started talking. We continued

speech and OT (he has sensory integration disorder as well- he likes

deep pressure). At 5 years of age we wanted to hold him back a year

for obvious reasons. He was catching up with speech and

developmental milestones. He was very ambidexterous and did not

cross midline. He is very awkward riding a bike. Gets tired easily

with activity. Could not hold a pencil well or write his name. So,

being Catholic, his father and I decided on a Catholic Kindergarten

in the area. We thought it would give him a good year of normal

children speech and I still took him to speech at the school for

60minutes a week. I spent 2 1/2 hours speaking with the principle

explaining Charlie. His needs, his issues, we were holding him back

etc.... Then the second day of kindergarteen, the teacher freaked out

and in front of a line of mothers told me that my son would not make

it in their class (he could not write his name) I was pissed....I

told the principle who obviously didn't convey this to the

teacher......I called another IEP meeting and we got " pushed forward "

into kindergarten. We told them we wanted him held back at the end

of kindergarten and they told us " Let us have him for the full day to

give him proper services " ...He gets social, OT, and Speech. " He's

doing so well and catching up so nicely. Well, this year he has made

huge gains. He no longer has a receptive delay, now it's just

expressive. Last year he answered questions, but didn't have alot to

say still. Now he word searches and gropes around when he's trying

to tell stories. Now has a lot to say, he just get's stuck. He's

good at guessing words (he's supposedlythe best readerin the

class, ..although his phonetic awareness is not great. (I think he

might be dylexic) His math is o.k. But, he cannot say a sentence

with proper structure, so how will he write it next year.? ..OH, his

writing is better, you can tell the letter, but no distinction

between upper, lower and no spacing. For those reasons, we wanted

to hold him back. OH MY GOD> you would of thought we were asking

for organs from the director of the IEP. We now have a meeting in

June with the superintendent and principle. WE are also going to

have a neuropsych evaluation, neurology eval and see a developmental

pediatrician evaluation in the next few months before June. He's

changed so much every year that I was waiting till he platued alittle

from the ear thing. I thought 7 was the appropriate age (so did my

pediatrician). Anyhow, I live in Lockport. The teachers love him (I

have no doubt). Charlie is funny and sweet, but he has horrible self

esteem issues. He's in the cross categorical room and this school

does not have a resource person. You are either in the regular class

or the cross categorical. The resource person is the special ed

teacher's class. There are now 15 kids in the class with one

teacher and two para-professionals. We had him evaluated by a

clinical psychologist because they thought he had ADHD (not sensory)

and she determined it was a stress response not ADHD and not in the

PPD -NOS spectrum. SO......What do you all think? I'm so

confused. I wanted to hold him back, put him in the regular first

grade class (with a helper if needed) and be pulled for speech and

OT... Why is the school so freaked out and now playing this bully

tactic bringing the superintendent and principle? Do they lose money

holding him back? Do they get dinged by the district?

I really would like to know for a 50 pounder how much and what brand

of vitamins to get and to try.....thanks.....dian kane , Lockport, IL

[Guest guest]

That's what I'd do. From what I can tell -- boys are not " too old "

for their class it they are a spring Bday. What you are doing is

what you intended to do -- have your child be in Pre-K or

kindergarten at 5, kindergarten at 6 and 1st grade at age 7. Makes

perfect sense to me -- he'll be at the older edge of the class, but

may not be the oldest. Gives him a chance to catch up and feel

successful. Stick to your guns -- you're right! And the earlier

you " hold back " the better. If they convince you to push him on now -

- you'll have a reading adverse, writing " hating " 2nd of 3rd grader

who has to be help back.

> >

> > Wow. It was suggested to me that if the school throws a fit, to

> just say

> > " " I am going to homeschool " Allegedly that upsets them more

> because then

> > they lose all of their funding for that child. Have you thought

> about

> > switching schools?

> >

> >

> >

> > So basically, your message is to hold your child back to give

them

> the extra

> > year to level out?

> >

> >

> >

> > My son had fluid in his ears until he was 26 months. The ENT told

> me he

> > needed extensive therapy. We didn't have any infections either.

> We found

> > it by taking a plane trip.. That trip was very interesting.

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > From:

> > [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Dian

Kane

> > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 2:04 PM

> >

> > Subject: [ ] Learn from our mistakes-and I'm a

> pediatric

> > nurse......

> >

> >

> >

> > Charlie is now 6yo. He will be 7 in May " 07. He was started in

> > speech at 2yo (we were told he's probably autistic because he

> > wouldn't talk at all). He then transitioned to early

intervention,

> > then the 3 yo program at the school, then at 4yo. When he was

4yo,

> > we discovered he had fluid in his ears by mistake. My new baby at

> the

> > time saw an ENT for recurrent sinus infection and the ENT thought

> > Charlie needed to be looked at also. He noticed a speech delay

and

> > certain sound to his voice he said. WE don't live in a remote

area,

> > no one told us to ahve his hearing evaluated!!! All the speech

> > therapists said they thought he heard too!!! They assumed he was

> > PPD_NOS or autistic. (He never had ear infections, no one ever

> > pushed me for evaluation and I thought he heard). He flunked the

> > hearing test and I felt horrible. I still feel horrible adn so

> > responsible. After the tubes, he started talking. We continued

> > speech and OT (he has sensory integration disorder as well- he

> likes

> > deep pressure). At 5 years of age we wanted to hold him back a

year

> > for obvious reasons. He was catching up with speech and

> > developmental milestones. He was very ambidexterous and did not

> > cross midline. He is very awkward riding a bike. Gets tired

easily

> > with activity. Could not hold a pencil well or write his name.

So,

> > being Catholic, his father and I decided on a Catholic

Kindergarten

> > in the area. We thought it would give him a good year of normal

> > children speech and I still took him to speech at the school for

> > 60minutes a week. I spent 2 1/2 hours speaking with the principle

> > explaining Charlie. His needs, his issues, we were holding him

back

> > etc.... Then the second day of kindergarteen, the teacher freaked

> out

> > and in front of a line of mothers told me that my son would not

> make

> > it in their class (he could not write his name) I was pissed....I

> > told the principle who obviously didn't convey this to the

> > teacher......I called another IEP meeting and we got " pushed

> forward "

> > into kindergarten. We told them we wanted him held back at the

end

> > of kindergarten and they told us " Let us have him for the full

day

> to

> > give him proper services " ...He gets social, OT, and Speech. " He's

> > doing so well and catching up so nicely. Well, this year he has

> made

> > huge gains. He no longer has a receptive delay, now it's just

> > expressive. Last year he answered questions, but didn't have alot

> to

> > say still. Now he word searches and gropes around when he's

trying

> > to tell stories. Now has a lot to say, he just get's stuck. He's

> > good at guessing words (he's supposedlythe best readerin the

> > class, ..although his phonetic awareness is not great. (I think

he

> > might be dylexic) His math is o.k. But, he cannot say a sentence

> > with proper structure, so how will he write it next year.? ..OH,

> his

> > writing is better, you can tell the letter, but no distinction

> > between upper, lower and no spacing. For those reasons, we wanted

> > to hold him back. OH MY GOD> you would of thought we were asking

> > for organs from the director of the IEP. We now have a meeting in

> > June with the superintendent and principle. WE are also going to

> > have a neuropsych evaluation, neurology eval and see a

> developmental

> > pediatrician evaluation in the next few months before June. He's

> > changed so much every year that I was waiting till he platued

> alittle

> > from the ear thing. I thought 7 was the appropriate age (so did

my

> > pediatrician). Anyhow, I live in Lockport. The teachers love him

(I

> > have no doubt). Charlie is funny and sweet, but he has horrible

> self

> > esteem issues. He's in the cross categorical room and this school

> > does not have a resource person. You are either in the regular

> class

> > or the cross categorical. The resource person is the special ed

> > teacher's class. There are now 15 kids in the class with one

> > teacher and two para-professionals. We had him evaluated by a

> > clinical psychologist because they thought he had ADHD (not

> sensory)

> > and she determined it was a stress response not ADHD and not in

the

> > PPD -NOS spectrum. SO......What do you all think? I'm so

> > confused. I wanted to hold him back, put him in the regular first

> > grade class (with a helper if needed) and be pulled for speech

and

> > OT... Why is the school so freaked out and now playing this bully

> > tactic bringing the superintendent and principle? Do they lose

> money

> > holding him back? Do they get dinged by the district?

> >

> > I really would like to know for a 50 pounder how much and what

> brand

> > of vitamins to get and to try.....thanks.....dian kane ,

Lockport,

> IL

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I'd like to throw my two cents in on this one. I actually wish I had

been kept in pre-school a year longer. My birthday is in August, so

I had just turned 5 when I started kindergarten. I was miserable, I

wasn't ready to be in school and would cry all the time. First grade

wasn't a whole lot better. I had a tough time making friends, I

think because I wasn't happy to be there and probably a little behind

socially.

I don't have any learning disabilities (that I know of!) but I tended

to have a hard time understanding the work the year that I took it,

but the following year, if the same stuff was repeated, all of a

sudden it made sense. For example, I was practically flunking

chemisty in 10th grade, so they let me drop it. The following year,

I took it again and it was like night and day - it all made sense.

Obviously this is a very hard choice, but in my situation, I pretty

much hated all 12 years of school, and I think it was maybe because I

was just in the wrong grade, the whole time. I took a year & a half

off between freshman and sophmore years of college (hated the school

I was at & didn't know what I wanted to be doing) and it seemed to

help.

For me, what said about starting school later rang true, and for

our kids, especially if they aren't up to speed with

talking/writing/socializing/etc, then how can it help them to be

forced along with kids who are constantly outperforming them? I had

horrible self esteem issues from feeling like I wasn't as smart as

most of my friends.

Sorry for such a long post, but this has really been on my mind since

the topic came up!

>

> Charlie is now 6yo. He will be 7 in May " 07. He was started in

> speech at 2yo (we were told he's probably autistic because he

> wouldn't talk at all). He then transitioned to early intervention,

> then the 3 yo program at the school, then at 4yo. When he was

4yo,

> we discovered he had fluid in his ears by mistake. My new baby at

the

> time saw an ENT for recurrent sinus infection and the ENT thought

> Charlie needed to be looked at also. He noticed a speech delay and

> certain sound to his voice he said. WE don't live in a remote

area,

> no one told us to ahve his hearing evaluated!!! All the speech

> therapists said they thought he heard too!!! They assumed he was

> PPD_NOS or autistic. (He never had ear infections, no one ever

> pushed me for evaluation and I thought he heard). He flunked the

> hearing test and I felt horrible. I still feel horrible adn so

> responsible. After the tubes, he started talking. We continued

> speech and OT (he has sensory integration disorder as well- he

likes

> deep pressure). At 5 years of age we wanted to hold him back a

year

> for obvious reasons. He was catching up with speech and

> developmental milestones. He was very ambidexterous and did not

> cross midline. He is very awkward riding a bike. Gets tired

easily

> with activity. Could not hold a pencil well or write his name.

So,

> being Catholic, his father and I decided on a Catholic Kindergarten

> in the area. We thought it would give him a good year of normal

> children speech and I still took him to speech at the school for

> 60minutes a week. I spent 2 1/2 hours speaking with the principle

> explaining Charlie. His needs, his issues, we were holding him

back

> etc.... Then the second day of kindergarteen, the teacher freaked

out

> and in front of a line of mothers told me that my son would not

make

> it in their class (he could not write his name) I was pissed....I

> told the principle who obviously didn't convey this to the

> teacher......I called another IEP meeting and we got " pushed

forward "

> into kindergarten. We told them we wanted him held back at the end

> of kindergarten and they told us " Let us have him for the full day

to

> give him proper services " ...He gets social, OT, and Speech. " He's

> doing so well and catching up so nicely. Well, this year he has

made

> huge gains. He no longer has a receptive delay, now it's just

> expressive. Last year he answered questions, but didn't have alot

to

> say still. Now he word searches and gropes around when he's trying

> to tell stories. Now has a lot to say, he just get's stuck. He's

> good at guessing words (he's supposedlythe best readerin the

> class, ..although his phonetic awareness is not great. (I think he

> might be dylexic) His math is o.k. But, he cannot say a sentence

> with proper structure, so how will he write it next year.? ..OH,

his

> writing is better, you can tell the letter, but no distinction

> between upper, lower and no spacing. For those reasons, we wanted

> to hold him back. OH MY GOD> you would of thought we were asking

> for organs from the director of the IEP. We now have a meeting in

> June with the superintendent and principle. WE are also going to

> have a neuropsych evaluation, neurology eval and see a

developmental

> pediatrician evaluation in the next few months before June. He's

> changed so much every year that I was waiting till he platued

alittle

> from the ear thing. I thought 7 was the appropriate age (so did my

> pediatrician). Anyhow, I live in Lockport. The teachers love him

(I

> have no doubt). Charlie is funny and sweet, but he has horrible

self

> esteem issues. He's in the cross categorical room and this school

> does not have a resource person. You are either in the regular

class

> or the cross categorical. The resource person is the special ed

> teacher's class. There are now 15 kids in the class with one

> teacher and two para-professionals. We had him evaluated by a

> clinical psychologist because they thought he had ADHD (not

sensory)

> and she determined it was a stress response not ADHD and not in the

> PPD -NOS spectrum. SO......What do you all think? I'm so

> confused. I wanted to hold him back, put him in the regular first

> grade class (with a helper if needed) and be pulled for speech and

> OT... Why is the school so freaked out and now playing this bully

> tactic bringing the superintendent and principle? Do they lose

money

> holding him back? Do they get dinged by the district?

>

> I really would like to know for a 50 pounder how much and what

brand

> of vitamins to get and to try.....thanks.....dian kane , Lockport,

IL

>