NACD, Vision Therapy and Retained Reflexes?

[Guest guest]

Late talker/speech delay vs. apraxia? Learn about children's communicationHi -

I have been following the thread on the NACD with a lot of interest. It sounds

great.

Well, a couple of weeks ago we had a vision exam done, and while our daughter's

vision was fine, she was years delayed in tracking, and had significant

perceptual issues. We started vision theapy, and I have been surprised to find

out the excersises are a lot like what you are describing from the NACD. They

are aimed at getting the eyes tracking better and also working her vestibular

system and integrating the 2 sides of her body. We started out balancing on a

workout ball on her stomach, and this week we are learning to creep.

I did order the CDs from the NACD, because we are homeschoolers this year for

the first time, and I liked the fact that they help with curriculum design. But,

I am wondering if this is very close to what they do. Just a thought.

He mentioned that she has significant retained reflexes which are hindering her

development as well, so she has some execises to help those as well. I looked

online some, and it seems like retained reflex can cause a lot of apraxia

symptoms. We anticipate at least ine months of vision therapy.

Has anyone ever heard of retained reflexes before. - is this an actual

medical thing?

Thanks!

Wendi Piper

[Guest guest]

NACD takes information from all areas and pulls it together into one. Thus,

they address visual issues, speech, auditory issues, academic issues, cognitive

processing issues, balance and coordination issues, nutritional issues

(nutrtitionist one-to-one is extra), fine motor control (handwriting), and

dominance. In addition, they will help you to design a homeschool program for

your child. This makes the program extremely holistic in nature as it addresses

all areas of your child's development and is not limited to one specific sense

that is malfunctioning.

In effect, they take exercises from ALL of the 'types' of therapists out there

and make them available to your child. I believe that they have a pool of over

3,000 exercises and therapy techniques and make specific recommendations

depending upon what they see and what you report is going on with your child

during the evaluation.

I simply could never afford the $150/hour/week price tag for all of the

different types of intervention that Mark needs. For me, this was the only

affordable option. The speech therapist was simply never going to look at

Mark's handwriting issues and SLP was all I could afford (barely). Of course, I

am the therapist but we have seen wonderful success so far.

You can read more about retained reflexes in Sally Goddards book, " Reflexes,

Learning and Behaviour " and yes, it is a medical thing. Retained primitive

birth reflexes relate to the development of different areas of the brain: pons,

mid-brain, cortex, upper cortex. If you retain the palmer reflex in your hand,

you will have a tough time doing fine motor things and will often have a

retained suck reflex as well (affecting speech). A retained Symetrical Tonic

Reflex has a listing of outcomes very familiar to the dyspraxic individual. I

actually could see my son in the various clusters of reflexes that he had

retained.

This is why catching this stuff early on is so beneficial for we can 'work the

reflex' and eliminate the primitive reflex while at the same time encouraging

the mature responses to develop.

Note that the British tend to utilize 'reflexes' in their descriptions of

'what's wrong with our kids' describing the 'clusters' of primitive reflexes

that have failed to be inhibited while the Americans use the general terms for

brain development in their descriptions. At least this has been so in the

literature that I have read.

So... this is why your VT has you going back to the floor. We've been there!

Crawling, creeping, marching, skipping.... welcome aboard! oooh, you should

just see an eleven year old do it...

Janice

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Reflexes?

Late talker/speech delay vs. apraxia? Learn about children's communicationHi -

I have been following the thread on the NACD with a lot of interest. It sounds

great.

Well, a couple of weeks ago we had a vision exam done, and while our

daughter's vision was fine, she was years delayed in tracking, and had

significant perceptual issues. We started vision theapy, and I have been

surprised to find out the excersises are a lot like what you are describing from

the NACD. They are aimed at getting the eyes tracking better and also working

her vestibular system and integrating the 2 sides of her body. We started out

balancing on a workout ball on her stomach, and this week we are learning to

creep.

I did order the CDs from the NACD, because we are homeschoolers this year for

the first time, and I liked the fact that they help with curriculum design. But,

I am wondering if this is very close to what they do. Just a thought.

He mentioned that she has significant retained reflexes which are hindering

her development as well, so she has some execises to help those as well. I

looked online some, and it seems like retained reflex can cause a lot of apraxia

symptoms. We anticipate at least ine months of vision therapy.

Has anyone ever heard of retained reflexes before. - is this an actual

medical thing?

Thanks!

Wendi Piper

[Guest guest]

Hello all

I just got the last NACD appointment for Atlanta in August. I am so thrilled

!!!Thank you all for the help.

Sharon Lang

mother to Maddy

7 years old 9p-/1q+

apraxia and C.P.

Janice <jscott@...> wrote:

NACD takes information from all areas and pulls it together into one.

Thus, they address visual issues, speech, auditory issues, academic issues,

cognitive processing issues, balance and coordination issues, nutritional issues

(nutrtitionist one-to-one is extra), fine motor control (handwriting), and

dominance. In addition, they will help you to design a homeschool program for

your child. This makes the program extremely holistic in nature as it addresses

all areas of your child's development and is not limited to one specific sense

that is malfunctioning.

In effect, they take exercises from ALL of the 'types' of therapists out there

and make them available to your child. I believe that they have a pool of over

3,000 exercises and therapy techniques and make specific recommendations

depending upon what they see and what you report is going on with your child

during the evaluation.

I simply could never afford the $150/hour/week price tag for all of the

different types of intervention that Mark needs. For me, this was the only

affordable option. The speech therapist was simply never going to look at Mark's

handwriting issues and SLP was all I could afford (barely). Of course, I am the

therapist but we have seen wonderful success so far.

You can read more about retained reflexes in Sally Goddards book, " Reflexes,

Learning and Behaviour " and yes, it is a medical thing. Retained primitive birth

reflexes relate to the development of different areas of the brain: pons,

mid-brain, cortex, upper cortex. If you retain the palmer reflex in your hand,

you will have a tough time doing fine motor things and will often have a

retained suck reflex as well (affecting speech). A retained Symetrical Tonic

Reflex has a listing of outcomes very familiar to the dyspraxic individual. I

actually could see my son in the various clusters of reflexes that he had

retained.

This is why catching this stuff early on is so beneficial for we can 'work the

reflex' and eliminate the primitive reflex while at the same time encouraging

the mature responses to develop.

Note that the British tend to utilize 'reflexes' in their descriptions of

'what's wrong with our kids' describing the 'clusters' of primitive reflexes

that have failed to be inhibited while the Americans use the general terms for

brain development in their descriptions. At least this has been so in the

literature that I have read.

So... this is why your VT has you going back to the floor. We've been there!

Crawling, creeping, marching, skipping.... welcome aboard! oooh, you should just

see an eleven year old do it...

Janice

[sPAM] [ ] NACD, Vision Therapy and Retained

Reflexes?

Late talker/speech delay vs. apraxia? Learn about children's communicationHi -

I have been following the thread on the NACD with a lot of interest. It sounds

great.

Well, a couple of weeks ago we had a vision exam done, and while our daughter's

vision was fine, she was years delayed in tracking, and had significant

perceptual issues. We started vision theapy, and I have been surprised to find

out the excersises are a lot like what you are describing from the NACD. They

are aimed at getting the eyes tracking better and also working her vestibular

system and integrating the 2 sides of her body. We started out balancing on a

workout ball on her stomach, and this week we are learning to creep.

I did order the CDs from the NACD, because we are homeschoolers this year for

the first time, and I liked the fact that they help with curriculum design. But,

I am wondering if this is very close to what they do. Just a thought.

He mentioned that she has significant retained reflexes which are hindering her

development as well, so she has some execises to help those as well. I looked

online some, and it seems like retained reflex can cause a lot of apraxia

symptoms. We anticipate at least ine months of vision therapy.

Has anyone ever heard of retained reflexes before. - is this an actual

medical thing?

Thanks!

Wendi Piper

[Guest guest]

I ordered cds yesterday. Please keep us posted.

sharon lang wrote:

>Hello all

>

>

> I just got the last NACD appointment for Atlanta in August. I am so thrilled

!!!Thank you all for the help.

>

>

> Sharon Lang

> mother to Maddy

> 7 years old 9p-/1q+

> apraxia and C.P.

>

>

>Janice <jscott@...> wrote:

> NACD takes information from all areas and pulls it together into one.

Thus, they address visual issues, speech, auditory issues, academic issues,

cognitive processing issues, balance and coordination issues, nutritional issues

(nutrtitionist one-to-one is extra), fine motor control (handwriting), and

dominance. In addition, they will help you to design a homeschool program for

your child. This makes the program extremely holistic in nature as it addresses

all areas of your child's development and is not limited to one specific sense

that is malfunctioning.

>

>In effect, they take exercises from ALL of the 'types' of therapists out there

and make them available to your child. I believe that they have a pool of over

3,000 exercises and therapy techniques and make specific recommendations

depending upon what they see and what you report is going on with your child

during the evaluation.

>

>I simply could never afford the $150/hour/week price tag for all of the

different types of intervention that Mark needs. For me, this was the only

affordable option. The speech therapist was simply never going to look at Mark's

handwriting issues and SLP was all I could afford (barely). Of course, I am the

therapist but we have seen wonderful success so far.

>

>You can read more about retained reflexes in Sally Goddards book, " Reflexes,

Learning and Behaviour " and yes, it is a medical thing. Retained primitive birth

reflexes relate to the development of different areas of the brain: pons,

mid-brain, cortex, upper cortex. If you retain the palmer reflex in your hand,

you will have a tough time doing fine motor things and will often have a

retained suck reflex as well (affecting speech). A retained Symetrical Tonic

Reflex has a listing of outcomes very familiar to the dyspraxic individual. I

actually could see my son in the various clusters of reflexes that he had

retained.

>

>This is why catching this stuff early on is so beneficial for we can 'work the

reflex' and eliminate the primitive reflex while at the same time encouraging

the mature responses to develop.

>

>Note that the British tend to utilize 'reflexes' in their descriptions of

'what's wrong with our kids' describing the 'clusters' of primitive reflexes

that have failed to be inhibited while the Americans use the general terms for

brain development in their descriptions. At least this has been so in the

literature that I have read.

>

>So... this is why your VT has you going back to the floor. We've been there!

Crawling, creeping, marching, skipping.... welcome aboard! oooh, you should just

see an eleven year old do it...

>

>Janice

>

> [sPAM] [ ] NACD, Vision Therapy and Retained

Reflexes?

>

>Late talker/speech delay vs. apraxia? Learn about children's communicationHi -

>I have been following the thread on the NACD with a lot of interest. It sounds

great.

>

>Well, a couple of weeks ago we had a vision exam done, and while our daughter's

vision was fine, she was years delayed in tracking, and had significant

perceptual issues. We started vision theapy, and I have been surprised to find

out the excersises are a lot like what you are describing from the NACD. They

are aimed at getting the eyes tracking better and also working her vestibular

system and integrating the 2 sides of her body. We started out balancing on a

workout ball on her stomach, and this week we are learning to creep.

>

>I did order the CDs from the NACD, because we are homeschoolers this year for

the first time, and I liked the fact that they help with curriculum design. But,

I am wondering if this is very close to what they do. Just a thought.

>

>He mentioned that she has significant retained reflexes which are hindering her

development as well, so she has some execises to help those as well. I looked

online some, and it seems like retained reflex can cause a lot of apraxia

symptoms. We anticipate at least ine months of vision therapy.

>

>Has anyone ever heard of retained reflexes before. - is this an actual

medical thing?

>

>Thanks!

>Wendi Piper

>

>

[Guest guest]

Speaking of odd mannerisms, my son seems to have the ability to " count "

sound. It is usually music, definitely counting (he actually counts on

his fingers the American sign language way) but I have seen him do it

with various sounds. I believe it is a spectrum thing. I think it is

similar to stuff I have seen (I think this was on 20/20) being able to

see things in color. Not sure how to explain that one but if you saw the

show you will know what I mean.

I have asked the OT about him doing this and she thinks it is fine, a

little quirk of his. He looks right at you, is interactive, way more

with all the changes, so I am not chasing a diagnosis but I do know it

is a spectrum-type thing and was wondering if anyone's kid does this?

Janice wrote:

>Sharon,

>

>A pointer with regard to your evaluation. Remember to list the things about

your child that the evaluator may not see such as 'the inability to stand still'

or any odd mannerisms, sleep habits, trouble with friendships, etc. that you

feel are interfering with development.

>

>These guys really listen to 'what's going on in your house' and it is an

important part of successful program development. I find myself forgetting

things so now I try to make a few notes on 'what I really want to address next'

or what I quietly refer to as " my developmental wishlist " . Because they need

to take your child up in some areas in a certain neurological order, not

everything will be addressed on the current program but keep the list anyway so

that you can ensure that the issues are eventually addressed when your child is

developmentally ready. Of course on that point, if you ask for too much, you

may be doing program all day and find it overwhelming! I should warn you, the

first couple of weeks it is overwhelming so go slow. Integrate the therapy into

your household slowly and steadily, trying to make it as positive and as upbeat

as possible so you don't 'turn your child off'. For the first little while,

just try to do all of the exercises once/day and then slowly

> add the frequencies in. In this way you won't suffer too much 'program

culture shock'. At your taped evaluation, you can address whether you have too

much or too little program each day and they can modify accordingly.

>

>Remember.... rarely do we get 100% of program done each day. I am happy if we

get 75% - 80% complete and we have had marvelous changes. Also remember, it

took about 3 - 5 months for me to realize that changes were happening so some

patience is indeed required. I remember asking myself over and over again, " is

he changing?, is he changing? " and then somewhere in January and February, I

really saw the absolute difference. It started very slowly and sort of crept

upwards slowly but steadily and then " POW " , everything was different.

>

>So happy for you. Do you know who your developmentalist is yet?

>

>Janice

>

>

>

> [sPAM] [ ] NACD, Vision Therapy and Retained

Reflexes?

>

> Late talker/speech delay vs. apraxia? Learn about children's communicationHi

-

> I have been following the thread on the NACD with a lot of interest. It

sounds great.

>

> Well, a couple of weeks ago we had a vision exam done, and while our

daughter's vision was fine, she was years delayed in tracking, and had

significant perceptual issues. We started vision theapy, and I have been

surprised to find out the excersises are a lot like what you are describing from

the NACD. They are aimed at getting the eyes tracking better and also working

her vestibular system and integrating the 2 sides of her body. We started out

balancing on a workout ball on her stomach, and this week we are learning to

creep.

>

> I did order the CDs from the NACD, because we are homeschoolers this year for

the first time, and I liked the fact that they help with curriculum design. But,

I am wondering if this is very close to what they do. Just a thought.

>

> He mentioned that she has significant retained reflexes which are hindering

her development as well, so she has some execises to help those as well. I

looked online some, and it seems like retained reflex can cause a lot of apraxia

symptoms. We anticipate at least ine months of vision therapy.

>

> Has anyone ever heard of retained reflexes before. - is this an

actual medical thing?

>

> Thanks!

> Wendi Piper

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sharon,

A pointer with regard to your evaluation. Remember to list the things about

your child that the evaluator may not see such as 'the inability to stand still'

or any odd mannerisms, sleep habits, trouble with friendships, etc. that you

feel are interfering with development.

These guys really listen to 'what's going on in your house' and it is an

important part of successful program development. I find myself forgetting

things so now I try to make a few notes on 'what I really want to address next'

or what I quietly refer to as " my developmental wishlist " . Because they need

to take your child up in some areas in a certain neurological order, not

everything will be addressed on the current program but keep the list anyway so

that you can ensure that the issues are eventually addressed when your child is

developmentally ready. Of course on that point, if you ask for too much, you

may be doing program all day and find it overwhelming! I should warn you, the

first couple of weeks it is overwhelming so go slow. Integrate the therapy into

your household slowly and steadily, trying to make it as positive and as upbeat

as possible so you don't 'turn your child off'. For the first little while,

just try to do all of the exercises once/day and then slowly add the frequencies

in. In this way you won't suffer too much 'program culture shock'. At your

taped evaluation, you can address whether you have too much or too little

program each day and they can modify accordingly.

Remember.... rarely do we get 100% of program done each day. I am happy if we

get 75% - 80% complete and we have had marvelous changes. Also remember, it

took about 3 - 5 months for me to realize that changes were happening so some

patience is indeed required. I remember asking myself over and over again, " is

he changing?, is he changing? " and then somewhere in January and February, I

really saw the absolute difference. It started very slowly and sort of crept

upwards slowly but steadily and then " POW " , everything was different.

So happy for you. Do you know who your developmentalist is yet?

Janice

[sPAM] [ ] NACD, Vision Therapy and Retained

Reflexes?

Late talker/speech delay vs. apraxia? Learn about children's communicationHi -

I have been following the thread on the NACD with a lot of interest. It sounds

great.

Well, a couple of weeks ago we had a vision exam done, and while our

daughter's vision was fine, she was years delayed in tracking, and had

significant perceptual issues. We started vision theapy, and I have been

surprised to find out the excersises are a lot like what you are describing from

the NACD. They are aimed at getting the eyes tracking better and also working

her vestibular system and integrating the 2 sides of her body. We started out

balancing on a workout ball on her stomach, and this week we are learning to

creep.

I did order the CDs from the NACD, because we are homeschoolers this year for

the first time, and I liked the fact that they help with curriculum design. But,

I am wondering if this is very close to what they do. Just a thought.

He mentioned that she has significant retained reflexes which are hindering

her development as well, so she has some execises to help those as well. I

looked online some, and it seems like retained reflex can cause a lot of apraxia

symptoms. We anticipate at least ine months of vision therapy.

Has anyone ever heard of retained reflexes before. - is this an actual

medical thing?

Thanks!

Wendi Piper

[Guest guest]

Hey guys! I ordered my CD's yesterday as well. I can't wait to get them!

--------- [sPAM] [ ] NACD, Vision Therapy and Retained

Reflexes?

>

>Late talker/speech delay vs. apraxia? Learn about children's communicationHi -

>I have been following the thread on the NACD with a lot of interest. It sounds

great.

>

>Well, a couple of weeks ago we had a vision exam done, and while our daughter's

vision was fine, she was years delayed in tracking, and had significant

perceptual issues. We started vision theapy, and I have been surprised to find

out the excersises are a lot like what you are describing from the NACD. They

are aimed at getting the eyes tracking better and also working her vestibular

system and integrating the 2 sides of her body. We started out balancing on a

workout ball on her stomach, and this week we are learning to creep.

>

>I did order the CDs from the NACD, because we are homeschoolers this year for

the first time, and I liked the fact that they help with curriculum design. But,

I am wondering if this is very close to what they do. Just a thought.

>

>He mentioned that she has significant retained reflexes which are hindering her

development as well, so she has some execises to help those as well. I looked

online some, and it seems like retained reflex can cause a lot of apraxia

symptoms. We anticipate at least ine months of vision therapy.

>

>Has anyone ever heard of retained reflexes before. - is this an actual

medical thing?

>

>Thanks!

>Wendi Piper

>

>

[Guest guest]

me too

klbushey@... wrote:

>Hey guys! I ordered my CD's yesterday as well. I can't wait to get them!

>

>

>

>--------- [sPAM] [ ] NACD, Vision Therapy and Retained

Reflexes?

>>

>>Late talker/speech delay vs. apraxia? Learn about children's communicationHi -

>>I have been following the thread on the NACD with a lot of interest. It sounds

great.

>>

>>Well, a couple of weeks ago we had a vision exam done, and while our

daughter's vision was fine, she was years delayed in tracking, and had

significant perceptual issues. We started vision theapy, and I have been

surprised to find out the excersises are a lot like what you are describing from

the NACD. They are aimed at getting the eyes tracking better and also working

her vestibular system and integrating the 2 sides of her body. We started out

balancing on a workout ball on her stomach, and this week we are learning to

creep.

>>

>>I did order the CDs from the NACD, because we are homeschoolers this year for

the first time, and I liked the fact that they help with curriculum design. But,

I am wondering if this is very close to what they do. Just a thought.

>>

>>He mentioned that she has significant retained reflexes which are hindering

her development as well, so she has some execises to help those as well. I

looked online some, and it seems like retained reflex can cause a lot of apraxia

symptoms. We anticipate at least ine months of vision therapy.

>>

>>Has anyone ever heard of retained reflexes before. - is this an actual

medical thing?

>>

>>Thanks!

>>Wendi Piper