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On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 23:08:02 -0500 " Tammy & Terry Demers "

tntdemer@...> writes:

> hi all,

> new here. my 18 mos son was dx with leaky gut today after numerous

> tests run by great plains lab in ks. >

> and of course the gluten free diet is now a part of our lives.

> looks like its going to be tough, but my baby is worth it! >

> any info on the best place to get started, cookbook recommendation,

> or anyone else with a similar situation who would like to chat - it

> would be appreciated.

> thanks!

> Tammy & Noah

> Bushkill, PA

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Hi Tammy, best book I would say to read is " Special Diets for Special

Kids " by . Ittotally explains the diet, and has alot of

recipes and other good info. This site has lots of good recipes too at

times that members post, so stay with us all here too and ask all you

need to know and there is always someone here with the answers. Yes, its

tuff but it gets easier and easier as each day on the diet goes by. My

son is totally GFCF for one year in April, I am still learning but am so

happy with the great results. Good luck to you

on Long Islnand New York

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Peggy,

I have a consult appointment with Dr. Hares in

Blooming Hills on Aug. 22.

Sharon in KY

--- Peggy wrote:

> Hi All,

> I just joined this group tonight because I want to

> learn more about

> the DS. I started researching wls about 4 or 5

> months ago and was

> looking at the RNY because it seemed to be the most

> common surgery,

> but in the past week, I have read more about the DS

> off of the

> duodenalswitch.com website, and I am excited about

> what I have read.

> What I am looking for now is more personal

> information about this

> surgery from people who have had it done. I am open

> to hearing

> anything that you want to share with me, good or

> bad. I am from

> Michigan and have located a couple of surgeons who

> do this surgery in

> Bloomfield Hills, MI. Is there anyone else in this

> group from

> Michigan that has had or is having this surgery?

> Also, I am wondering

> about insurance coverage. I have BCBS/PPO. Has

> anybody here had

> their DS surgery covered by BCBS? For those of you

> that are post-op,

> what are the most common complications with DS?

> Sorry about so many

> questions, but I am eager to learn more about this

> surgery so I can

> make a decision and get started. Thank you for your

> help!

>

> Peggy/MI

>

>

>

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>

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At 2:54 AM +0000 7/27/01, Peggy wrote:

Hi All,

I just joined this group tonight because I want to learn more

about

the DS. I started researching wls about 4 or 5 months ago and

was

looking at the RNY because it seemed to be the most common

surgery,

but in the past week, I have read more about the DS off of the

duodenalswitch.com website, and I am excited about what I have read.

Many of us have traveled that route, Peggy. Welcome.

What I am looking for now is more

personal information about this

surgery from people who have had it done. I am open to

hearing

anything that you want to share with me,

good or bad. I am from

There are a lot of stories to read on the sites that you

visited. Also, you might want to join the DS-PostOpFriends

and DS_PostOp_Problems lists as a lurker (only post-ops

may post) to see what people report. A large share of the

problems are niggling and transitory--that is, nuisances that

are not life-threatening, and they are also short-lived. Others

are major nuisances that don't seem to go away at least for

months. A few are major.

Michigan and have located a couple of

surgeons who do this surgery in

Bloomfield Hills, MI. Is there anyone else in this group

from

Michigan that has had or is having this surgery? Also, I am

wondering

about insurance coverage. I have BCBS/PPO.

insurance coverage is the MAJOR problem for many. it

doesn't seem to go away.

Has anybody here had

their DS surgery covered by BCBS? For those of you that are

post-op,

what are the most common complications

with DS?

peri-op (not common, but these can happen):

blood clots in the legs that can migrate to the lungs and

kill you (any surgery has this)

internal leakages, in spite of testing during the operation and in

some cases on the first post-op day, where things are stapled or

stitched together (they, too, can kill if not discovered and treated

early)

post-op:

nausea

diarrhea

pain in the belly (gas, incision, etc.)

acid reflux

lactose intolerance (tends to resolve in a few months for

many)

gluten and wheat intolerance (ditto)

stinky stools and foul flatus (worse with some than with others,

but pretty common)

" steatorrhea " , or fat or oil in the stools (my

particular bane--improves slowly with time)

long-term:

loss of calcium from bones if you do not take supplements

iron and other mineral deficiencies (supplements often

needed)

vitamin deficiencies, especially the fat-soluble vitamins A,D,E

and K (water soluble vitamins available)

protein deficiency if you do not ingest sufficient protein

regularly

failure to lose more weight after only a modest weight loss of 30

or 40 lb.

failure to stop losing weight after reaching target

weight

Of the long term complications, the deficiencies are rather

easily treated with supplements or, in some cases of severe anemia ,

with iron infusions. The last two often require revision

surgery to shorten or to lengthen the common channel, respectively.

But, this is a rare occurrence.

Most of us adapt and learn to live with the complications, which

are minor compared to the dangers of morbid obesity. The DS lets

us live quite normal lives, especially as far as what we

can eat. Most of us can eat (and, swallow without having

to chew 20+ times) just about anything, albeit in much smaller

quantities than before.

Sorry about so many

questions, but I am eager to learn more about this surgery so I

can

make a decision and get started.

Yup, do your research. Whatever you choose will be

MAJOR surgery with lifelong implications, so do not make hasty

decisions.

Good luck,

Steve

--

Steve Goldstein, age 61

Lap BPD/DS on May 2, 2001

Dr. Elariny, INOVA Fairfax Hospital, Virginia

Starting (05/02/01) BMI = 51

BMI on 07/26 = 43

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> failure to lose more weight after only a modest weight loss of 30 or

40 lb.

Oh, thanks, Steve.. I've lost ~43 lbs..on a plateau.. and I'm already

paranoid. =P~~

Siigh..

Hugs,

Liane

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> failure to lose more weight after only a modest weight loss of 30 or

40 lb.

Oh, thanks, Steve.. I've lost ~43 lbs..on a plateau.. and I'm already

paranoid. =P~~

Siigh..

Hugs,

Liane

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Hello,

I'm new to your informative support group. I had lap R NY

surgery on 1/30/02 at town Memorial Hospital

by DR. ABKIN, with no complications. My starting weight was 320, and now I

weigh in at 205. I'm 5'10 so my goal weight is around 170.

I've already learned so much from your postings....it is important to

establish solid relapse prevention, chart your own lab results to see where

you're headed, and all kinds of invaluable information.

I would like to thank you for bringing up the topic of DEPRESSION.

After reading your postings, I took my much needed anti depressant

medication for the first time since surgery.

There are a lot of " I's " in my posting, but it's not allabout me...it's

about YOU!! Thanks for being here for me.

Feel Well,

Joan

New Jersey

>From: Graduate-OSSG

>Reply-To: Graduate-OSSG

>To: Graduate-OSSG

>Subject: Digest Number 2007

>Date: 12 Feb 2003 01:24:38 -0000

>

>Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

>

>Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

>

>

>

>------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

>There are 25 messages in this issue.

>

>Topics in this digest:

>

> 1. RE: obcession may be panic attack

>

> 2. Re: obcession may be panic attack

> From: lacorona@...

> 3. EMERGENCY-- DAN!!!

> From: lacorona@...

> 4. RE: Salt Craving/Iron Low

>

> 5. Re: obcession may be panic attack

>

> 6. RE: tax deduction??

>

> 7. Re: What the Heck? Iccccck!!

>

> 8. RE: What the Heck? Iccccck!!

>

> 9. Re: What the Heck? Iccccck!!

>

> 10. RE: obcession may be panic attack

>

> 11. What makes you stay on track?

> "

>

> 12. RE: obcession may be panic attack

>

> 13. Re: obcession may be panic attack

>

> 14. Re: What makes you stay on track?

> From: loriowen@...

> 15. Re: obcession may be panic attack

> From: loriowen@...

> 16. Re: obcession may be panic attack

> From: loriowen@...

> 17. Re: Intro

> From: watnext@...

> 18. Re: Intro

>

> 19. Re: Goal Weight

>

> 20. Um...Dan???

>

> 21. Re: Re: obessession

> From: tuesdynite@...

> 22. Re: tax deduction??

> From: tuesdynite@...

> 23. Craving

> From: White_Spectra@...

> 24. Re: Protein Shakes: whey vs soy?

>

> 25. Re: Craving

> From: loriowen@...

>

>

>________________________________________________________________________

>________________________________________________________________________

>

>Message: 1

> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:32:14 -0800

>

>Subject: RE: obcession may be panic attack

>

>My ex-husband frequently decided to ditch his cocktail of five (very)

>required anti-depressants because of the terrible sexual side effects. I

>really wish more doctors would pay attention to this issue and would

>address it directly.

>

>It's terrible when the drugs cure the depression and the complete loss

>of sexual function exacerbates it. What do you do then? It was a

>roller-coaster, to be sure, of meds/no sex and no meds/sex. Without

>drugs, he was suicidal. With drugs, he was miserable. Not good for

>anyone.

>

> Ziobro

>Open RNY 09/17/01

>310/127/130

>http://www.obesityhelp.com/morbidobesity/profile.phtml?N=M987208445

>

> RE: obcession may be panic attack

>

>

>

>

> Non-compliance really

>just means that a person on meds, whether for high blood pressure or for

>

>panic disorder, or whatever disorder, may try to see if they can do

>without

>the meds--a natural desire-- however, for most, pitching them right back

>into

>the original problem again. The body cannot manufacture by itself what

>it

>cannot manufacture by itself. Any more than you can grow beans each

>season

>without planting the seeds and watering them

>daily.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>

>Oh you have nailed me RIGHT on the head. I can handle this stuff. I am

>tough, independent, out going. I don't need no stinkin' meds! HUMMMMMMMM

>NOT. I have had to learn that this is NOT something I have done to

>myself or have had DONE to me. For me it is definitely chemical! I don't

>remember a part of my life where I haven't FELT paniced and frequently

>depressed. Some how I managed through until Adult hood when they had

>better meds and I FINALLY asked for help. I think now that I self

>treated with FOOD!!! Naturally, my medicine of choice was CHOCOLATE! LOL

>

>Debbie in Gig Harbor

>ladybostons@...

>

>

>

>Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

>

>Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

>

>

>

>

>

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Hello,

I'm new to your informative support group. I had lap R NY

surgery on 1/30/02 at town Memorial Hospital

by DR. ABKIN, with no complications. My starting weight was 320, and now I

weigh in at 205. I'm 5'10 so my goal weight is around 170.

I've already learned so much from your postings....it is important to

establish solid relapse prevention, chart your own lab results to see where

you're headed, and all kinds of invaluable information.

I would like to thank you for bringing up the topic of DEPRESSION.

After reading your postings, I took my much needed anti depressant

medication for the first time since surgery.

There are a lot of " I's " in my posting, but it's not allabout me...it's

about YOU!! Thanks for being here for me.

Feel Well,

Joan

New Jersey

>From: Graduate-OSSG

>Reply-To: Graduate-OSSG

>To: Graduate-OSSG

>Subject: Digest Number 2007

>Date: 12 Feb 2003 01:24:38 -0000

>

>Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

>

>Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

>

>

>

>------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

>There are 25 messages in this issue.

>

>Topics in this digest:

>

> 1. RE: obcession may be panic attack

>

> 2. Re: obcession may be panic attack

> From: lacorona@...

> 3. EMERGENCY-- DAN!!!

> From: lacorona@...

> 4. RE: Salt Craving/Iron Low

>

> 5. Re: obcession may be panic attack

>

> 6. RE: tax deduction??

>

> 7. Re: What the Heck? Iccccck!!

>

> 8. RE: What the Heck? Iccccck!!

>

> 9. Re: What the Heck? Iccccck!!

>

> 10. RE: obcession may be panic attack

>

> 11. What makes you stay on track?

> "

>

> 12. RE: obcession may be panic attack

>

> 13. Re: obcession may be panic attack

>

> 14. Re: What makes you stay on track?

> From: loriowen@...

> 15. Re: obcession may be panic attack

> From: loriowen@...

> 16. Re: obcession may be panic attack

> From: loriowen@...

> 17. Re: Intro

> From: watnext@...

> 18. Re: Intro

>

> 19. Re: Goal Weight

>

> 20. Um...Dan???

>

> 21. Re: Re: obessession

> From: tuesdynite@...

> 22. Re: tax deduction??

> From: tuesdynite@...

> 23. Craving

> From: White_Spectra@...

> 24. Re: Protein Shakes: whey vs soy?

>

> 25. Re: Craving

> From: loriowen@...

>

>

>________________________________________________________________________

>________________________________________________________________________

>

>Message: 1

> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:32:14 -0800

>

>Subject: RE: obcession may be panic attack

>

>My ex-husband frequently decided to ditch his cocktail of five (very)

>required anti-depressants because of the terrible sexual side effects. I

>really wish more doctors would pay attention to this issue and would

>address it directly.

>

>It's terrible when the drugs cure the depression and the complete loss

>of sexual function exacerbates it. What do you do then? It was a

>roller-coaster, to be sure, of meds/no sex and no meds/sex. Without

>drugs, he was suicidal. With drugs, he was miserable. Not good for

>anyone.

>

> Ziobro

>Open RNY 09/17/01

>310/127/130

>http://www.obesityhelp.com/morbidobesity/profile.phtml?N=M987208445

>

> RE: obcession may be panic attack

>

>

>

>

> Non-compliance really

>just means that a person on meds, whether for high blood pressure or for

>

>panic disorder, or whatever disorder, may try to see if they can do

>without

>the meds--a natural desire-- however, for most, pitching them right back

>into

>the original problem again. The body cannot manufacture by itself what

>it

>cannot manufacture by itself. Any more than you can grow beans each

>season

>without planting the seeds and watering them

>daily.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>

>Oh you have nailed me RIGHT on the head. I can handle this stuff. I am

>tough, independent, out going. I don't need no stinkin' meds! HUMMMMMMMM

>NOT. I have had to learn that this is NOT something I have done to

>myself or have had DONE to me. For me it is definitely chemical! I don't

>remember a part of my life where I haven't FELT paniced and frequently

>depressed. Some how I managed through until Adult hood when they had

>better meds and I FINALLY asked for help. I think now that I self

>treated with FOOD!!! Naturally, my medicine of choice was CHOCOLATE! LOL

>

>Debbie in Gig Harbor

>ladybostons@...

>

>

>

>Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

>

>Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

>

>

>

>

>

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Joan,

Welcome to the group. Sounds like you are doing great. Just

remember to keep posting. I have discovered that the more I participate

the more I get out of it.

I noticed that you posted to a digest. Just an FYI, it is so

much easier if you could delete the " digest " portion of the document when

you reply. It is no big deal but certainly saves space for those

receiving the email.

Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

CHF 4/14/01 479 lbs.

SRVG 7/16/01 401 lbs.

Current Weight 339.5 lbs. and loosing again

Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

On Wed, 12 Feb 2003 02:49:45 +0000 " pvt facade "

writes:

>

>

> Hello,

>

> I'm new to your informative support group. I had lap R NY

> surgery on 1/30/02 at town Memorial Hospital

> by DR. ABKIN, with no complications. My starting weight was 320, and

> now I

> weigh in at 205. I'm 5'10 so my goal weight is around 170.

>

> I've already learned so much from your postings....it is important

> to

> establish solid relapse prevention, chart your own lab results to

> see where

> you're headed, and all kinds of invaluable information.

>

> I would like to thank you for bringing up the topic of DEPRESSION.

> After reading your postings, I took my much needed anti depressant

> medication for the first time since surgery.

>

> There are a lot of " I's " in my posting, but it's not allabout

> me...it's

> about YOU!! Thanks for being here for me.

>

> Feel Well,

> Joan

> New Jersey

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Joan,

Welcome to the group. Sounds like you are doing great. Just

remember to keep posting. I have discovered that the more I participate

the more I get out of it.

I noticed that you posted to a digest. Just an FYI, it is so

much easier if you could delete the " digest " portion of the document when

you reply. It is no big deal but certainly saves space for those

receiving the email.

Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

CHF 4/14/01 479 lbs.

SRVG 7/16/01 401 lbs.

Current Weight 339.5 lbs. and loosing again

Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

On Wed, 12 Feb 2003 02:49:45 +0000 " pvt facade "

writes:

>

>

> Hello,

>

> I'm new to your informative support group. I had lap R NY

> surgery on 1/30/02 at town Memorial Hospital

> by DR. ABKIN, with no complications. My starting weight was 320, and

> now I

> weigh in at 205. I'm 5'10 so my goal weight is around 170.

>

> I've already learned so much from your postings....it is important

> to

> establish solid relapse prevention, chart your own lab results to

> see where

> you're headed, and all kinds of invaluable information.

>

> I would like to thank you for bringing up the topic of DEPRESSION.

> After reading your postings, I took my much needed anti depressant

> medication for the first time since surgery.

>

> There are a lot of " I's " in my posting, but it's not allabout

> me...it's

> about YOU!! Thanks for being here for me.

>

> Feel Well,

> Joan

> New Jersey

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Welcome, Joan. From the sounds of things I'm newer than you are, at

least it sounds like you've been lurking longer because I am

unfamiliar with some of the things you are referring to. So I'd like

to use your post as a springboard for a couple of questions...

First, how does one " establish solid relapse prevention " ? I am all

ears here!

Second, about charting your own lab results--do other people's

doctors actually GIVE them their lab results without having to be

subject to torture to drag the information out of them? All I have

ever gotten back is " your results are normal. " And one time, " you're

a little low on iron, start taking an iron supplement. " (Which I

did.) Do other doctors *automatically* give you a full report, or did

you have to yell and scream at them to get that? I'm afraid that's

probably what I'd have to do...and I am not exactly looking forward

to the prospect. Is this absolutely vitally necessary?

And once you get them, how do you know how to evaluate what they say?

I don't know what some of those abbreviations even mean, let alone

what the results should be. Can someone direct me to an information

source where I can find out?

I sure hope you aren't all going to start yelling at me for not

knowing about this. I'm scared to death of getting half a dozen

sermons about how I should have known better yada yada yada. So be

gentle? Please? *down on knees begging* If this is something I really

SHOULD have known, please accept my abject apologies for being an

idiot, okay? *cringes in fear of looking like a moron* I'll never

find out if I don't ask...right? *timidly questioning look*

Sharon

>

>

> Hello,

>

> I'm new to your informative support group. I had lap R NY

> surgery on 1/30/02 at town Memorial Hospital

> by DR. ABKIN, with no complications. My starting weight was 320,

and now I

> weigh in at 205. I'm 5'10 so my goal weight is around 170.

>

> I've already learned so much from your postings....it is important

to

> establish solid relapse prevention, chart your own lab results to

see where

> you're headed, and all kinds of invaluable information.

>

> I would like to thank you for bringing up the topic of DEPRESSION.

> After reading your postings, I took my much needed anti depressant

> medication for the first time since surgery.

>

> There are a lot of " I's " in my posting, but it's not allabout

me...it's

> about YOU!! Thanks for being here for me.

>

> Feel Well,

> Joan

> New Jersey

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Welcome, Joan. From the sounds of things I'm newer than you are, at

least it sounds like you've been lurking longer because I am

unfamiliar with some of the things you are referring to. So I'd like

to use your post as a springboard for a couple of questions...

First, how does one " establish solid relapse prevention " ? I am all

ears here!

Second, about charting your own lab results--do other people's

doctors actually GIVE them their lab results without having to be

subject to torture to drag the information out of them? All I have

ever gotten back is " your results are normal. " And one time, " you're

a little low on iron, start taking an iron supplement. " (Which I

did.) Do other doctors *automatically* give you a full report, or did

you have to yell and scream at them to get that? I'm afraid that's

probably what I'd have to do...and I am not exactly looking forward

to the prospect. Is this absolutely vitally necessary?

And once you get them, how do you know how to evaluate what they say?

I don't know what some of those abbreviations even mean, let alone

what the results should be. Can someone direct me to an information

source where I can find out?

I sure hope you aren't all going to start yelling at me for not

knowing about this. I'm scared to death of getting half a dozen

sermons about how I should have known better yada yada yada. So be

gentle? Please? *down on knees begging* If this is something I really

SHOULD have known, please accept my abject apologies for being an

idiot, okay? *cringes in fear of looking like a moron* I'll never

find out if I don't ask...right? *timidly questioning look*

Sharon

>

>

> Hello,

>

> I'm new to your informative support group. I had lap R NY

> surgery on 1/30/02 at town Memorial Hospital

> by DR. ABKIN, with no complications. My starting weight was 320,

and now I

> weigh in at 205. I'm 5'10 so my goal weight is around 170.

>

> I've already learned so much from your postings....it is important

to

> establish solid relapse prevention, chart your own lab results to

see where

> you're headed, and all kinds of invaluable information.

>

> I would like to thank you for bringing up the topic of DEPRESSION.

> After reading your postings, I took my much needed anti depressant

> medication for the first time since surgery.

>

> There are a lot of " I's " in my posting, but it's not allabout

me...it's

> about YOU!! Thanks for being here for me.

>

> Feel Well,

> Joan

> New Jersey

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Sharon........as far as the labs go.....you are exactly right....if you

don't ask, you will never know........I am just like you though.....I am

generally to scared to ask certain things for fear of, or just knowing, that

you are going to get " chastised " for not knowing already. But I'm a

homeschooler and I encourage questions :) I wouldn't even bother asking the

Doc for them.....if he or she has a nurse or assistant I would ask

them.....I just stated to my doc's assistant that I would like a couple

because I keep track of them myself and " compare " each sets......they said

no problem and I got them in the mail the next day. Every set that I have

ever gotten comes with it's own explanation......it will tell you in one

column what " your " reading was and then in the next column it will give you

the range of what is normal. I am going to be getting mine done again next

month.....can't wait to see what they look like. And YES....I would keep

track of them yourself....docs are busy people and they are not going to

stop and " compare " for you......you will be able to spot something before it

gets out of hand......they are only going to look for problems......hope all

goes well........ P.

Re: newbie

> Welcome, Joan. From the sounds of things I'm newer than you are, at

> least it sounds like you've been lurking longer because I am

> unfamiliar with some of the things you are referring to. So I'd like

> to use your post as a springboard for a couple of questions...

>

> First, how does one " establish solid relapse prevention " ? I am all

> ears here!

>

> Second, about charting your own lab results--do other people's

> doctors actually GIVE them their lab results without having to be

> subject to torture to drag the information out of them? All I have

> ever gotten back is " your results are normal. " And one time, " you're

> a little low on iron, start taking an iron supplement. " (Which I

> did.) Do other doctors *automatically* give you a full report, or did

> you have to yell and scream at them to get that? I'm afraid that's

> probably what I'd have to do...and I am not exactly looking forward

> to the prospect. Is this absolutely vitally necessary?

>

> And once you get them, how do you know how to evaluate what they say?

> I don't know what some of those abbreviations even mean, let alone

> what the results should be. Can someone direct me to an information

> source where I can find out?

>

> I sure hope you aren't all going to start yelling at me for not

> knowing about this. I'm scared to death of getting half a dozen

> sermons about how I should have known better yada yada yada. So be

> gentle? Please? *down on knees begging* If this is something I really

> SHOULD have known, please accept my abject apologies for being an

> idiot, okay? *cringes in fear of looking like a moron* I'll never

> find out if I don't ask...right? *timidly questioning look*

>

> Sharon

>

>

> >

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > I'm new to your informative support group. I had lap R NY

> > surgery on 1/30/02 at town Memorial Hospital

> > by DR. ABKIN, with no complications. My starting weight was 320,

> and now I

> > weigh in at 205. I'm 5'10 so my goal weight is around 170.

> >

> > I've already learned so much from your postings....it is important

> to

> > establish solid relapse prevention, chart your own lab results to

> see where

> > you're headed, and all kinds of invaluable information.

> >

> > I would like to thank you for bringing up the topic of DEPRESSION.

> > After reading your postings, I took my much needed anti depressant

> > medication for the first time since surgery.

> >

> > There are a lot of " I's " in my posting, but it's not allabout

> me...it's

> > about YOU!! Thanks for being here for me.

> >

> > Feel Well,

> > Joan

> > New Jersey

>

>

>

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Sharon........as far as the labs go.....you are exactly right....if you

don't ask, you will never know........I am just like you though.....I am

generally to scared to ask certain things for fear of, or just knowing, that

you are going to get " chastised " for not knowing already. But I'm a

homeschooler and I encourage questions :) I wouldn't even bother asking the

Doc for them.....if he or she has a nurse or assistant I would ask

them.....I just stated to my doc's assistant that I would like a couple

because I keep track of them myself and " compare " each sets......they said

no problem and I got them in the mail the next day. Every set that I have

ever gotten comes with it's own explanation......it will tell you in one

column what " your " reading was and then in the next column it will give you

the range of what is normal. I am going to be getting mine done again next

month.....can't wait to see what they look like. And YES....I would keep

track of them yourself....docs are busy people and they are not going to

stop and " compare " for you......you will be able to spot something before it

gets out of hand......they are only going to look for problems......hope all

goes well........ P.

Re: newbie

> Welcome, Joan. From the sounds of things I'm newer than you are, at

> least it sounds like you've been lurking longer because I am

> unfamiliar with some of the things you are referring to. So I'd like

> to use your post as a springboard for a couple of questions...

>

> First, how does one " establish solid relapse prevention " ? I am all

> ears here!

>

> Second, about charting your own lab results--do other people's

> doctors actually GIVE them their lab results without having to be

> subject to torture to drag the information out of them? All I have

> ever gotten back is " your results are normal. " And one time, " you're

> a little low on iron, start taking an iron supplement. " (Which I

> did.) Do other doctors *automatically* give you a full report, or did

> you have to yell and scream at them to get that? I'm afraid that's

> probably what I'd have to do...and I am not exactly looking forward

> to the prospect. Is this absolutely vitally necessary?

>

> And once you get them, how do you know how to evaluate what they say?

> I don't know what some of those abbreviations even mean, let alone

> what the results should be. Can someone direct me to an information

> source where I can find out?

>

> I sure hope you aren't all going to start yelling at me for not

> knowing about this. I'm scared to death of getting half a dozen

> sermons about how I should have known better yada yada yada. So be

> gentle? Please? *down on knees begging* If this is something I really

> SHOULD have known, please accept my abject apologies for being an

> idiot, okay? *cringes in fear of looking like a moron* I'll never

> find out if I don't ask...right? *timidly questioning look*

>

> Sharon

>

>

> >

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > I'm new to your informative support group. I had lap R NY

> > surgery on 1/30/02 at town Memorial Hospital

> > by DR. ABKIN, with no complications. My starting weight was 320,

> and now I

> > weigh in at 205. I'm 5'10 so my goal weight is around 170.

> >

> > I've already learned so much from your postings....it is important

> to

> > establish solid relapse prevention, chart your own lab results to

> see where

> > you're headed, and all kinds of invaluable information.

> >

> > I would like to thank you for bringing up the topic of DEPRESSION.

> > After reading your postings, I took my much needed anti depressant

> > medication for the first time since surgery.

> >

> > There are a lot of " I's " in my posting, but it's not allabout

> me...it's

> > about YOU!! Thanks for being here for me.

> >

> > Feel Well,

> > Joan

> > New Jersey

>

>

>

> Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

>

> Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

>

>

>

>

>

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In a message dated 2/14/2003 5:38:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,

itzsharon@... writes:

> Do other doctors *automatically* give you a full report, or did

> you have to yell and scream at them to get that?

I ask the doc for a copy of the lab reports and he says sure.

Anything else, it is time to find a kinder doc.

Fay Bayuk

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In a message dated 2/14/2003 5:38:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,

itzsharon@... writes:

> Do other doctors *automatically* give you a full report, or did

> you have to yell and scream at them to get that?

I ask the doc for a copy of the lab reports and he says sure.

Anything else, it is time to find a kinder doc.

Fay Bayuk

300/175

10/23/01

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Yell at you for not knowing? Sheesh. How do you think WE all found out to do

it? LOL!

At FIRST, I had to yell & scream & drag it out. But over the years, the

docs have come to see it as helpful that we are watching & going over them

with a magnifying glass. Makes them take a look and in many cases, take

action before they hit the skids. But at first, they were all prickly about

it being none of my biz. Well, HELLO? I pay the bill, I want a piece of

paper to show for it. I dunno, maybe they just got tired of me nagging. I

should be a professional nag,. I'm really good at it.

Huh, Staci?

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Re: newbie

> Welcome, Joan. From the sounds of things I'm newer than you are, at

> least it sounds like you've been lurking longer because I am

> unfamiliar with some of the things you are referring to. So I'd like

> to use your post as a springboard for a couple of questions...

>

> First, how does one " establish solid relapse prevention " ? I am all

> ears here!

>

> Second, about charting your own lab results--do other people's

> doctors actually GIVE them their lab results without having to be

> subject to torture to drag the information out of them? All I have

> ever gotten back is " your results are normal. " And one time, " you're

> a little low on iron, start taking an iron supplement. " (Which I

> did.) Do other doctors *automatically* give you a full report, or did

> you have to yell and scream at them to get that? I'm afraid that's

> probably what I'd have to do...and I am not exactly looking forward

> to the prospect. Is this absolutely vitally necessary?

>

> And once you get them, how do you know how to evaluate what they say?

> I don't know what some of those abbreviations even mean, let alone

> what the results should be. Can someone direct me to an information

> source where I can find out?

>

> I sure hope you aren't all going to start yelling at me for not

> knowing about this. I'm scared to death of getting half a dozen

> sermons about how I should have known better yada yada yada. So be

> gentle? Please? *down on knees begging* If this is something I really

> SHOULD have known, please accept my abject apologies for being an

> idiot, okay? *cringes in fear of looking like a moron* I'll never

> find out if I don't ask...right? *timidly questioning look*

>

> Sharon

>

>

> >

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > I'm new to your informative support group. I had lap R NY

> > surgery on 1/30/02 at town Memorial Hospital

> > by DR. ABKIN, with no complications. My starting weight was 320,

> and now I

> > weigh in at 205. I'm 5'10 so my goal weight is around 170.

> >

> > I've already learned so much from your postings....it is important

> to

> > establish solid relapse prevention, chart your own lab results to

> see where

> > you're headed, and all kinds of invaluable information.

> >

> > I would like to thank you for bringing up the topic of DEPRESSION.

> > After reading your postings, I took my much needed anti depressant

> > medication for the first time since surgery.

> >

> > There are a lot of " I's " in my posting, but it's not allabout

> me...it's

> > about YOU!! Thanks for being here for me.

> >

> > Feel Well,

> > Joan

> > New Jersey

>

>

>

> Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

>

> Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

>

>

>

>

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Yell at you for not knowing? Sheesh. How do you think WE all found out to do

it? LOL!

At FIRST, I had to yell & scream & drag it out. But over the years, the

docs have come to see it as helpful that we are watching & going over them

with a magnifying glass. Makes them take a look and in many cases, take

action before they hit the skids. But at first, they were all prickly about

it being none of my biz. Well, HELLO? I pay the bill, I want a piece of

paper to show for it. I dunno, maybe they just got tired of me nagging. I

should be a professional nag,. I'm really good at it.

Huh, Staci?

Thanks,

Vitalady, Inc. T

www.vitalady.com

If you are interested in PayPal, please click here:

https://secure.paypal.com/affil/pal=vitalady%40bigfoot.com

Re: newbie

> Welcome, Joan. From the sounds of things I'm newer than you are, at

> least it sounds like you've been lurking longer because I am

> unfamiliar with some of the things you are referring to. So I'd like

> to use your post as a springboard for a couple of questions...

>

> First, how does one " establish solid relapse prevention " ? I am all

> ears here!

>

> Second, about charting your own lab results--do other people's

> doctors actually GIVE them their lab results without having to be

> subject to torture to drag the information out of them? All I have

> ever gotten back is " your results are normal. " And one time, " you're

> a little low on iron, start taking an iron supplement. " (Which I

> did.) Do other doctors *automatically* give you a full report, or did

> you have to yell and scream at them to get that? I'm afraid that's

> probably what I'd have to do...and I am not exactly looking forward

> to the prospect. Is this absolutely vitally necessary?

>

> And once you get them, how do you know how to evaluate what they say?

> I don't know what some of those abbreviations even mean, let alone

> what the results should be. Can someone direct me to an information

> source where I can find out?

>

> I sure hope you aren't all going to start yelling at me for not

> knowing about this. I'm scared to death of getting half a dozen

> sermons about how I should have known better yada yada yada. So be

> gentle? Please? *down on knees begging* If this is something I really

> SHOULD have known, please accept my abject apologies for being an

> idiot, okay? *cringes in fear of looking like a moron* I'll never

> find out if I don't ask...right? *timidly questioning look*

>

> Sharon

>

>

> >

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > I'm new to your informative support group. I had lap R NY

> > surgery on 1/30/02 at town Memorial Hospital

> > by DR. ABKIN, with no complications. My starting weight was 320,

> and now I

> > weigh in at 205. I'm 5'10 so my goal weight is around 170.

> >

> > I've already learned so much from your postings....it is important

> to

> > establish solid relapse prevention, chart your own lab results to

> see where

> > you're headed, and all kinds of invaluable information.

> >

> > I would like to thank you for bringing up the topic of DEPRESSION.

> > After reading your postings, I took my much needed anti depressant

> > medication for the first time since surgery.

> >

> > There are a lot of " I's " in my posting, but it's not allabout

> me...it's

> > about YOU!! Thanks for being here for me.

> >

> > Feel Well,

> > Joan

> > New Jersey

>

>

>

> Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

>

> Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

>

>

>

>

>

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In a message dated 2/15/2003 3:58:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,

itzsharon@... writes:

> >>do other people's

> doctors actually GIVE them their lab results without having to be

> subject to torture to drag the information out of them? All I have

> ever gotten back is " your results are normal. " And one time, " you're

> a little low on iron, start taking an iron supplement. " (Which I

> did.) Do other doctors *automatically* give you a full report, or did

> you have to yell and scream at them to get that?<<

*************************No, when you are at the lab, ask them to send a copy

of the results to you, too. You may have to fill out a form, but this way

you don't have to ask your doc for a copy. Doctors usually don't have the

time or inclination to look for trends (comparing results from previous

tests), they only look to see if everything is within the " normal " ranges.

So its up to you to be proactive in your own health care.

>>And once you get them, how do you know how to evaluate what they say?

I don't know what some of those abbreviations even mean, let alone

what the results should be. Can someone direct me to an information

source where I can find out?

***********Go to labtestsonline.com. There are explanations of the various

tests.

>>Is this absolutely vitally necessary?<<

***********Yes, if you want to stay healthy. My last labs showed my Ferritin

had taken a dive from the previous year, although still at the low end of

" normal. " My doc just said everything was fine, but I caught it before it

bottomed out.

>>I sure hope you aren't all going to start yelling at me for not

knowing about this.<<

************No yelling here. If it was not for this list, I would never had

known to do this either.

in NJ

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In a message dated 2/15/2003 3:58:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,

itzsharon@... writes:

> >>do other people's

> doctors actually GIVE them their lab results without having to be

> subject to torture to drag the information out of them? All I have

> ever gotten back is " your results are normal. " And one time, " you're

> a little low on iron, start taking an iron supplement. " (Which I

> did.) Do other doctors *automatically* give you a full report, or did

> you have to yell and scream at them to get that?<<

*************************No, when you are at the lab, ask them to send a copy

of the results to you, too. You may have to fill out a form, but this way

you don't have to ask your doc for a copy. Doctors usually don't have the

time or inclination to look for trends (comparing results from previous

tests), they only look to see if everything is within the " normal " ranges.

So its up to you to be proactive in your own health care.

>>And once you get them, how do you know how to evaluate what they say?

I don't know what some of those abbreviations even mean, let alone

what the results should be. Can someone direct me to an information

source where I can find out?

***********Go to labtestsonline.com. There are explanations of the various

tests.

>>Is this absolutely vitally necessary?<<

***********Yes, if you want to stay healthy. My last labs showed my Ferritin

had taken a dive from the previous year, although still at the low end of

" normal. " My doc just said everything was fine, but I caught it before it

bottomed out.

>>I sure hope you aren't all going to start yelling at me for not

knowing about this.<<

************No yelling here. If it was not for this list, I would never had

known to do this either.

in NJ

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> low end of

> " normal. " My doc just said everything was fine, but I caught it before it

> bottomed out.

>

>

As far as I am concerned, low end of normal is a problem for us. My two

cents only.

Fay Bayuk

Patience can be a waste of time.

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In a message dated 2/15/2003 6:31:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,

watnext@... writes:

> low end of

> " normal. " My doc just said everything was fine, but I caught it before it

> bottomed out.

>

>

As far as I am concerned, low end of normal is a problem for us. My two

cents only.

Fay Bayuk

Patience can be a waste of time.

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In a message dated 2/15/2003 6:37:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, FBayuk writes:

> As far as I am concerned, low end of normal is a problem for us. My two

> cents only.

>

************************

I agree. But, of even more concern for me was the trend downward. It sure

shook me up, as I've always " felt " just fine. Better to find out now than

later.

in NJ

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In a message dated 2/15/2003 6:37:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, FBayuk writes:

> As far as I am concerned, low end of normal is a problem for us. My two

> cents only.

>

************************

I agree. But, of even more concern for me was the trend downward. It sure

shook me up, as I've always " felt " just fine. Better to find out now than

later.

in NJ

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In a message dated 2/15/2003 6:30:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, WATNEXT

writes:

> Go to labtestsonline.com.

********************************

Ooops, sorry...it's labtestsonline.org, NOT .com.

in NJ

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In a message dated 2/15/2003 6:30:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, WATNEXT

writes:

> Go to labtestsonline.com.

********************************

Ooops, sorry...it's labtestsonline.org, NOT .com.

in NJ

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