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" Barbara " wrote:I agree with both of you. I didn't really get a handle on my

eating

until I moved my focus away from it. I had a distal bypass, so I

have to take more protein and vitamins than medial or proximals.

I focus on protein shakes and vitamins as my food. I don't really

think about what I should eat. I keep the portions small and don't

eat sugar or drink milk. I find that if I start focusing on food, I

just don't know what to eat. If I am hungry I drink a protein shake

and then I eat and take my vitamins.

I was taught this by a very smart, very successful WLS person. The

rule of thumb for her is protein, food, vitamins, protein, food

vitamins...... This goes on all day. Works for me!

Who wrote this...and....how in the world can you eat anything right after

drinking a big protein shake? And...how many times a day do you drink a

shake, then eat, then take a vitamin? I'm really curious about this,

thanks...

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I wrote this (Barbara Jean from Ferndale). Sorry, what I wrote was a gross

simplification of what I do. Protein, food, vitamins is just the sequence for

how I do it. I don't do them immediately after each other. I do between 5 and

7 shake as day (usually 5). I have to get in 150 mg of protein just to

maintain. If I am very physically active or under a lot of stress, I drink

more. The amount of protein depends on what kind of surgery you had and what

your individual body needs. I had a distal gastric bypass.

Actually, my shakes aren't very big. I just use 4 oz of water with each. Also,

different people's pouches are different sizes. Although I started with a 2 oz

pouch, I am a year and a half past my revision, and have stretched is some.

When get up in the morning I have a shake. Then I take a shower and do morning

stuff. By then I am ready to eat (usually an hour after the shake). I take my

vitamins as soon after this as I can, because they sit better with me if I don't

take them on a totally empty stomach. I usually have to wait a bout 1/2 hour

before I can take my vits. Then I wait between an hour and three hours and

start the sequence again and so on. I take a lot of meds along with my

vitamins, so I take pills 8 times a day. I just fit in the extra when I can. I

sometimes only eat three times a day so I don't always take my pills after

eating, but I do all I can to get in the 5 shakes. Also, whenever I am hungry,

no matter where I am in the cycle or how many proteins I have had that day, I

first do a protein shake before I eat. I try to never eat when I am starving,

but do a shake instead and then eat.

In the past, I have used at least eight different charts and logs that I have

made up to keep track of all of this. On one of them I accounted for every 1/2

hour. They all drove me crazy, and I never could do them right. The protein,

food, vitamins is just a way for me to make it simple so that I don't overwhelm

myself. Sometimes my perfectionism makes my life way too complicated.

Of course, with my method, there are times when I get busy and end up ready to

go to bed, and still have 2 proteins and three sets of pills to take. It

happens less and less often, as I go along and get used to the rhythm. I figure

if I can get it down to screwing up only once every couple of weeks, I'm doing

great.

So, I hope that sort of answers your question. Sometimes, when I write posts I

keep my words down to a minimum, because, I could easily write a novel with each

post. I do enjoy the sound of the word " verbose " but I try not to do that any

more than absolutely necessary. Hah! I'm glad you wrote to ask me about it.

Barbara Jean from Ferndale

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" Barbara " wrote:I agree with both of you. I didn't really get a handle on my

eating

until I moved my focus away from it. I had a distal bypass, so I

have to take more protein and vitamins than medial or proximals.

I focus on protein shakes and vitamins as my food. I don't really

think about what I should eat. I keep the portions small and don't

eat sugar or drink milk. I find that if I start focusing on food, I

just don't know what to eat. If I am hungry I drink a protein shake

and then I eat and take my vitamins.

I was taught this by a very smart, very successful WLS person. The

rule of thumb for her is protein, food, vitamins, protein, food

vitamins...... This goes on all day. Works for me!

Who wrote this...and....how in the world can you eat anything right after

drinking a big protein shake? And...how many times a day do you drink a

shake, then eat, then take a vitamin? I'm really curious about this,

thanks...

[Guest guest]

>>> I was taught this by a very smart, very successful WLS person. The rule

of thumb for her is protein, food, vitamins, protein, food vitamins......

This goes on all day. Works for me!<<<<

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>>>> Who wrote this...and....how in the world can you eat anything right

after drinking a big protein shake? And...how many times a day do you drink

a shake, then eat, then take a vitamin? I'm really curious about this,

thanks...<<<<

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I didn't write that but do almost the same thing except my order is

different being protein, vitamins, food...all day long... spread about 3

hours apart so I have plenty of time for water... I get my vitamins on top

of a protein shake and can usually eat food about an hour later... my shakes

are usually only about 12 oz of liquid and my food portions stay at about

1/2 cup or less if dense meat -- it keeps my body on a steady feeling of

satisfied so I don't get real hungry or real full -- just in the middle.

Keeps my energy levels up with the added bonus of not forgetting my

vitamins because they " go with " my protein and protein with vitamins (except

iron) so I don't forget either of them.

6 a.m. shake/vitamins

8-9 a.m. breakfast

11 a.m. shake/vitamins

1 p.m. lunch

3 p.m. shake

5 p.m. shake

7 p.m. dinner

9 p.m. shake

If I go to the gym or other workout that makes me feel " hungry " I toss

another shake in there following that activity -- If I get the hungry or

feeling that I want to " munch " in-between then I choose a free-food -- I use

the breakfast, lunch and dinner parts to make sure I get in enough good high

end carbs, grains, fats and other " essentials " for balance or a bulk protein

food (grilled chicken) to fill my pouch...

Those " exact " hours are not always right on time -- I don't set a timer

anymore although I did have to the first year... it is just an " idea " of how

that blend works through the day and an " idea " of the timing that allows me

to get enough protein and foods so everything is balanced.

Works great for me too...

hugz,

~denise

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I am going to try this religiously. There is no doubt in my mind

that I need a " plan " or I lose it!

I was a " poster child " for my doc and WLS for over a year and now I

am at goal and able to graze and get away with it and have

introduced too many carbs and sugar-free syrups into my life (which

I believe create the cravings).

What is it about us that makes us think we can be " normal " ???

Why can't I just accept that I will always be like the alcoholic and

have a sick mind about food?

I know in my head that I get away with grazing and more carbs

because I work out alot and have a busy lifestyle, but I do worry

about year 3, 4, 5 yadda yadda.

How long can I stay a " working out fool " ??

" sigh "

Carol G

> >>> I was taught this by a very smart, very successful WLS person.

The rule

> of thumb for her is protein, food, vitamins, protein, food

vitamins......

> This goes on all day. Works for me!<<<<

> ----------

> >>>> Who wrote this...and....how in the world can you eat anything

right

> after drinking a big protein shake? And...how many times a day do

you drink

> a shake, then eat, then take a vitamin? I'm really curious about

this,

> thanks...<<<<

> --------

> I didn't write that but do almost the same thing except my order is

> different being protein, vitamins, food...all day long... spread

about 3

> hours apart so I have plenty of time for water... I get my

vitamins on top

> of a protein shake and can usually eat food about an hour later...

my shakes

> are usually only about 12 oz of liquid and my food portions stay

at about

> 1/2 cup or less if dense meat -- it keeps my body on a steady

feeling of

> satisfied so I don't get real hungry or real full -- just in the

middle.

> Keeps my energy levels up with the added bonus of not forgetting

my

> vitamins because they " go with " my protein and protein with

vitamins (except

> iron) so I don't forget either of them.

> 6 a.m. shake/vitamins

> 8-9 a.m. breakfast

> 11 a.m. shake/vitamins

> 1 p.m. lunch

> 3 p.m. shake

> 5 p.m. shake

> 7 p.m. dinner

> 9 p.m. shake

> If I go to the gym or other workout that makes me

feel " hungry " I toss

> another shake in there following that activity -- If I get the

hungry or

> feeling that I want to " munch " in-between then I choose a free-

food -- I use

> the breakfast, lunch and dinner parts to make sure I get in enough

good high

> end carbs, grains, fats and other " essentials " for balance or a

bulk protein

> food (grilled chicken) to fill my pouch...

> Those " exact " hours are not always right on time -- I don't

set a timer

> anymore although I did have to the first year... it is just

an " idea " of how

> that blend works through the day and an " idea " of the timing that

allows me

> to get enough protein and foods so everything is balanced.

> Works great for me too...

> hugz,

> ~denise