beautiful mind/ differences between men and women

[Guest guest]

Boy Judy, you said it. There used to be a shop here called 's Stout

Shoppe. They hung this sign in 3 foot high letters over the door. I remember

many many souls cringing as they walked under that sign.

#1. Also, just with regard to the physiology of weight loss and the

psychology of cognitive thinking; just to add to the discussion re " beautiful

mind " ... (It MUST be taken into consideration that the scientist whose story

was told in film had a peculiar form of highly functional schizophrenia with

manic features and hallucinations AND ESPECIALLY that he had medications to

help control his delusions. It was a great film, especially in its stringing

the viewer along so you did not realize what was going on till

later....however, I am sorry to say, that a diagnosis’s of full-blown

schizophrenia WITHOUT medication would never have produced what you saw in

the film)

Now, just with regard to rapidity of weight loss: according to the GB docs I

know, doing all manner of bariatric surgeries, most men still lose weight

much more rapidly than women and seem to be able to 'take more off' as has

been known about men vs. women in diet studies for years now. This does not

seem to change with people who have had bariatric surgery. Therefore, women

ought not compare themselves with men's weight loss and feel poorly. As

someone here put it tongue in cheek once, during a famine women might live

longer and men will die sooner.

#2. With regard to what is called 'compartmentalization', that is, the

ability (some think of this as a 'mental discipline,' even though in most it

is really an inborn skill). This skill is to cut off thoughts, drives,

longings, yearnings, feelings, pretty much on a dime. Most often that skill

belongs to men far more than women. It appears to be constitutional in many,

many more men than women. In other words, men may be born with more ability

to develop such a skill. This does not mean that a woman cannot have this

skill. She might if she happens to be born with that kind of constitution.

But it appears to be rare. It doesn't mean she can't train herself to develop

that trait. But, she would require step by step instruction about how to do

it, not just be told to go do it.

Because of this noticeable difference that shows up in, not all, but in many

young males, mothers will often say it is easier to raise boys than girls,(at

least for many mothers). Many many boys seem to have more ability to

compartmentalize (only when it is damaging to self and relationships does it

slide into 'denial'). Another way parents put it is that the majority of the

boys as they mature seem able to let go of something distressing easier than

the girls, who need to talk it over, rehash it, find its nuances, and etc.

Many many females by their innate natures are 'relational' constitutionally.

This is a gift also, as compartmentalization is for many men. Being

relational means that they try to find ways to integrate something rather

than exiling it.

Ultimately, it is said in analytical psychology that in order to be a whole

person, one learns the gifts of their primary constitution's opposite. So

that men so disposed would learn integration as equal to compartmentalizing,

and women would add compartmentalizing about some things in equal measure to

integrating them. The idea is that both give the souls more options and

therefore more life.

This is how the theory goes, and it plays true in many. There are of course,

always exceptions. Dissociation is however, not the same as

compartmentalization. The latter is a skill that is in seed form innately.

The former is in response to an overwhelming stimulus, and is considered

cohesive to a large degree depending on the situation, the person's

continuing touch with reality, and how long the dissociation continues past

the time it is needed for syntonia of the psyche(for balance to be

maintained.) Just my two cent's worth. There are always people who are unique.

all best

ceep

[Guest guest]

The dissociation totally stopped working for me about 15 years ago, and I

ceased functioning as a unit. Maybe I am unique, never thought of myself as

such, although my shrinks sure did. I'm grateful for the ability that it has

left me with, and it *might* be considered compartmentalization at this

point, since it isn't an unconscious happening anymore, but a useful tool. I

have a wonderful innate ability to transport myself out of extremely

uncomfortable situations, and as I mentioned before, relegate different

unpleasantries to places where they will not be a major focus for me. It was

called a disorder at the time of my dx years ago...but now it has become a

useful tool once again. It took me away from a horrid childhood and death

dealing stresses back then, but in my mid-40's it became impossible (had

" outlived its usefulness " ). I got GOOD therapy, and it is now better than

ever. I would wish everyone would have this ability. I know some do, to

varying degrees, mine just happened to be one of the worst. But lemons were

turned into pink lemonade...sugar free of course, and life is manageable

once again. Thanks Ceep for your insight. I truly enjoy your expertise in

your posts.

Regards~

Jacque

Distal RNY

Drs. Fox and Oh

Beginning BMI 50.0

Current BMI 21.0

> This is how the theory goes, and it plays true in many. There are of course,

>

> always exceptions. Dissociation is however, not the same as

> compartmentalization. The latter is a skill that is in seed form innately.

> The former is in response to an overwhelming stimulus, and is considered

> cohesive to a large degree depending on the situation, the person's

> continuing touch with reality, and how long the dissociation continues past

>

> the time it is needed for syntonia of the psyche(for balance to be

> maintained.) Just my two cent's worth. There are always people who are

> unique.

>

[Guest guest]

Ceep, I love reading your posts!! All of them. I could talk to you

for hours. A guy at work was just telling me yesterday that he has

trained himself to make the feeling of hunger pleasurable by telling

himself that it is pleasurable every time he feels it. I find that

interesting because I hate the feel of hunger and I hate it every

time I feel it.What do you think of this. Would this be his ability

to compartmentalize? Anyway, thanks for your wisdom.

Debbie in St. Louis

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/20/03 8:11:59 PM Central Standard Time, lacorona@...

writes:

<< how long the dissociation continues past the time it is needed for

syntonia of the psyche( >>

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Hey, Ceep

For someone who claims not to know how to spell worth a darn, u sure manage

to use a lotta big words! (grin).

Just hadda comment on the bit above. But the major thrust of the article was

what really spoke to me. I always feel so much better after I read the things

you write. You are the epitome of the concept of " support. "

Carol A