12 years out, tooth loss and supps. Long.

> www.geocities.com/rogle32/

January 8, 2003

Randy....it could possible be due to " vomiting " also! I have a friend who

is 6 years out from a distal RNY. Same thing, wonderful teeth but is now

having problems because she destroyed all the enamel from too much throwing

up. I am going to ask her just how much (frequency) she vomits! She said

this is exactly what her dentist told her was the cause. P.

12 years out, tooth loss and supps. Long.

> This is a question I have about calcium and other supps. As I've stated

before my sister is about 11 years out distal RNY, my mom about 12 years out

proximal RNY. Both have maintained, however mom has gained some due to

sugar, lot's of sugar, but still not much for 12 years. When they had their

RNY's it was a relativley new procedure. Their surgeons told them there was

no need for anything but a multi vitamin. Neither have been compliant with

that. My sister has had a hard time with anemia, many blood transfusions.

Both sister and mom both had wonderful, beautiful teeth up until about 2

years ago. Now they are missing teeth, and I don't mean back teeth, some of

these are close to the front, and you can see them when they speak. Scary. I

wonder, is this just a calcium issue? My mom's blood work is great, but she

refuses to ask for a dexascan. I know I need to be doin' my calcium citrate,

it's sitting in there on the cabinet, right by my beloved PB 55. I tried

starting it back and after three day's was so constipated I thought I had an

impaction, it was terrible, that was way over two weeks ago and my bowels

are just now close to normal. This scares me. I sure as hell don't wanna

lose my teeth. I love my teeth.

> Randy

> rlogle@...

> AIM: rlogleeln

> Open RNY: Sept. 26, 2001: 207 lbs gone.

> Daddy to Doogun, Jasper, and Zoe.

> Lord, Please help me to become the Person

> my Dog's think I am.

>

January 8, 2003

I am confused. What does vomiting have to do with losing teeth after an RNY.

We no longer have the stomach acid to bring back up, only the food that was just

eaten.

Chrissie

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----- Original Message -----From: nancy pugliese

To: Grad ; Randy Ogle

Randy....it could possible be due to " vomiting " also! I have a friend who

is 6 years out from a distal RNY. Same thing, wonderful teeth but is now

having problems because she destroyed all the enamel from too much throwing

up. I am going to ask her just how much (frequency) she vomits! She said

this is exactly what her dentist told her was the cause. P.

----- Original Message -----

> This is a question I have about calcium and other supps. As I've stated

before my sister is about 11 years out distal RNY, my mom about 12 years out

proximal RNY....snip...Both sister and mom both had wonderful, beautiful teeth

up until about 2

years ago. Now they are missing teeth, ...snip...

January 8, 2003

<>

Well, I have to tell you that you are mistaken about that. I lost ALL my

teeth, due to gastric reflux. Full set of false choppers, as of this year.

And I had surgery 21 years ago in May. You can call it dumping, reflux,

indigestion, whatever...it was still stomach acid, and it rotted my teeth.

Jac

mailto:jholdaway@...

January 8, 2003

Well, actually that is not true........we have much LESS stomach acid....but we

still have stomach acid. The reason that we still have to stay on some kind of

acid reducer for life post RNY is because the area where our intestines are sewn

to the new pouch is not used to stomach acid in that high of a

concentrate.......that is why you can develop ulcerations there........this is

how it was explained to me by my surgeon anyway...........HTH, P.

Re: 12 years out, tooth loss and supps. Long.

I am confused. What does vomiting have to do with losing teeth after an RNY.

We no longer have the stomach acid to bring back up, only the food that was just

eaten.

Chrissie

shihtzumom@...

http://millennium.fortunecity.com/doddington/691/WLS/this_is_me.htm

My WLS Journey:

----- Original Message -----From: nancy pugliese

To: Grad ; Randy Ogle

Randy....it could possible be due to " vomiting " also! I have a friend who

is 6 years out from a distal RNY. Same thing, wonderful teeth but is now

having problems because she destroyed all the enamel from too much throwing

up. I am going to ask her just how much (frequency) she vomits! She said

this is exactly what her dentist told her was the cause. P.

----- Original Message -----

> This is a question I have about calcium and other supps. As I've stated

before my sister is about 11 years out distal RNY, my mom about 12 years out

proximal RNY....snip...Both sister and mom both had wonderful, beautiful

teeth up until about 2

years ago. Now they are missing teeth, ...snip...

January 9, 2003

> Well, I have to tell you that you are mistaken about that. I lost

ALL my

> teeth, due to gastric reflux. Full set of false choppers, as of

this year.

> And I had surgery 21 years ago in May. You can call it dumping,

reflux,

> indigestion, whatever...it was still stomach acid, and it rotted my

teeth.

>

**********************

You know, I always wonder if it's due to the body trying to return to

normalcy. There are cases of a new stomach being formed from the

intestines, why not the pouch learning to produce stomach acid? I

get heartburn occasionally, but no reflux since my RNY, no idea why.

in NJ

January 9, 2003

Bulimics suffer this problem as well.

in Austin

RNY April 1998

----- Original Message -----

> Randy....it could possible be due to " vomiting " also! I have a friend who

> is 6 years out from a distal RNY. Same thing, wonderful teeth but is now

> having problems because she destroyed all the enamel from too much

throwing

> up. I am going to ask her just how much (frequency) she vomits! She said

> this is exactly what her dentist told her was the cause. P.

January 9, 2003

> Well, actually that is not true........we have much LESS stomach

acid....but we still have stomach acid. The reason that we still have to

stay on some kind of acid reducer for life post RNY is because the area

where our intestines are sewn to the new pouch is not used to stomach acid

in that high of a concentrate

Well that one is news to me -- I've never taken an acid reducer since a few

weeks after surgery, and was never told I needed to. I don't have any

problems with reflux or heartburn, unless I do something stupid like drink

3-4 cups of regular coffee right in a row. This is the first time I've ever

heard we should have an acid reducer for life. Are we talking something OTC

like Pepcid, or scrip like Prevacid?

Stunned, and now worrying about my tummy ~~ Lyn G

January 9, 2003

I think my doctor would have mentioned it, like he did the calcium and iron

and vitamins.

in Austin

RNY April 1998

----- Original Message -----

> Well that one is news to me -- I've never taken an acid reducer since a

few

> weeks after surgery, and was never told I needed to.

>

> Stunned, and now worrying about my tummy ~~ Lyn G

>

> Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

>

> Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

>

January 9, 2003

It isn't an " everybody " thing. I had the bad luck to have reflux. That's

just my problem. I don't want to scare anyone...remember, my surgery was

almost 21 yeas ago! Things have changed, I'm sure.

Jac

mailto:jholdaway@...

January 9, 2003

Well, personally I don't think I would ever give any one Doc this much

credit....if I listened to my surgeon I would still be taking two tums, a

flinstone a day and NO protein drinks.......I think it is one of those

things that not any one Doc is going to be totally knowledgable in this

field (unfortunately)......it is one of those things that you have to look

into for yourself and see if it sounds " reasonable " to you. Personally

(again, MHO) the fact that there are post-ops who do still experience reflux

shows us that there are at least some of us that still have stomach acid.

Because I cannot " see " or " feel " the area in question, seeing the meds for

it are soooo cheap, combined with my Doc's explanation, given the

consequence of NOT treating it, there not being any known or apparent

problems with long term treatment, personally KNOWING someone (WLS patient)

who has rotted their teeth from stomach acid.........all these things played

into my decision to treat........I think this decision making process is

what everyone should do..............JMMHO........ P.

Re: 12 years out, tooth loss and supps. Long.

> I think my doctor would have mentioned it, like he did the calcium and

iron

> and vitamins.

>

> in Austin

> RNY April 1998

> ----- Original Message -----

>

> > Well that one is news to me -- I've never taken an acid reducer since a

> few

> > weeks after surgery, and was never told I needed to.

> >

> > Stunned, and now worrying about my tummy ~~ Lyn G

> >

> > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

> >

> > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

> >

January 9, 2003

Is there a difference between the surgery done 21 yrs ago and the RNY done now?

I'm just curious about this as it doesn't make sense to me based on what I

" thought " I knew about the RNY surgery. Now if you are not transected and have

a staple line disruption, then maybe stomach acid could come back up. But, how

else? I'm not disagreeing with you, just trying to understand this, if it is

correct.

Chrissie

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My WLS Journey:

----- Original Message ----- From: Jacque Holdaway

<>

Well, I have to tell you that you are mistaken about that. I lost ALL my

teeth, due to gastric reflux. Full set of false choppers, as of this year.

And I had surgery 21 years ago in May. You can call it dumping, reflux,

indigestion, whatever...it was still stomach acid, and it rotted my teeth.

January 9, 2003

Hmmm. My doc only has us on Zantac for maybe 6 months while the pouch is

healing. So, you are saying that the little 1-2 ounce top section that the

pouch is made from makes stomach acid?

Re: 12 years out, tooth loss and supps. Long.

I am confused. What does vomiting have to do with losing teeth after an

RNY. We no longer have the stomach acid to bring back up, only the food that

was just eaten.

Chrissie

shihtzumom@...

http://millennium.fortunecity.com/doddington/691/WLS/this_is_me.htm

My WLS Journey:

----- Original Message -----From: nancy pugliese

To: Grad ; Randy Ogle

Randy....it could possible be due to " vomiting " also! I have a friend who

is 6 years out from a distal RNY. Same thing, wonderful teeth but is now

having problems because she destroyed all the enamel from too much

throwing

up. I am going to ask her just how much (frequency) she vomits! She said

this is exactly what her dentist told her was the cause. P.

----- Original Message -----

> This is a question I have about calcium and other supps. As I've stated

before my sister is about 11 years out distal RNY, my mom about 12 years

out

proximal RNY....snip...Both sister and mom both had wonderful, beautiful

teeth up until about 2

years ago. Now they are missing teeth, ...snip...

January 9, 2003

Yes... " normally " routed bulimics get this. But how can a transected RNY patient

get this, without stomach acid? Isn't the lack of stomach acid and enzymes, etc

the reason we don't absorb many vitamins, including B-12 tabs?

Chrissie

shihtzumom@...

http://millennium.fortunecity.com/doddington/691/WLS/this_is_me.htm

My WLS Journey:

----- Original Message -----From: YahooDave

Bulimics suffer this problem as well.

January 9, 2003

Well, that is what I was told.......that it doesn't make " as much " .......I never

really thought about it much as I will have to take meds the rest of my life

anyway (both parents died of espophagual cancer).......but I am going to see if

I can do some research on it.......this has become a lively discussion, wouldn't

you say P.

Re: 12 years out, tooth loss and supps. Long.

I am confused. What does vomiting have to do with losing teeth after an

RNY. We no longer have the stomach acid to bring back up, only the food that

was just eaten.

Chrissie

shihtzumom@...

http://millennium.fortunecity.com/doddington/691/WLS/this_is_me.htm

My WLS Journey:

----- Original Message -----From: nancy pugliese

To: Grad ; Randy Ogle

Randy....it could possible be due to " vomiting " also! I have a friend

who

is 6 years out from a distal RNY. Same thing, wonderful teeth but is

now

having problems because she destroyed all the enamel from too much

throwing

up. I am going to ask her just how much (frequency) she vomits! She

said

this is exactly what her dentist told her was the cause. P.

----- Original Message -----

> This is a question I have about calcium and other supps. As I've

stated

before my sister is about 11 years out distal RNY, my mom about 12 years

out

proximal RNY....snip...Both sister and mom both had wonderful, beautiful

teeth up until about 2

years ago. Now they are missing teeth, ...snip...

January 9, 2003

<

>

ly, I don't know. I know this, because I've been doing some

research...I had a proximal RNY. I have gastric reflux. I crave

carbohydrates, but I practice moderation.

Jac

mailto:jholdaway@...