Guest guest Posted October 22, 2003 Report Share Posted October 22, 2003 according to the bone density scan i had this month, i have below average bone mass for a 31 yr old. even though i'm religious w/ my calc citrate & other supplements, do weight-bearing exercise including weights & jogging, i'm not menopausal, etc etc. i don't fit any of the typical categories. PCP wasn't alarmed, I WAS. he increased my calcium, ordered me to take in 15 minutes of sun a day, bleh bleh. if any of you all, have experience w/ bone issues, let's brainstorm. osteopenia sux!! lori h. 17 months out, & yes, still GRATEFUL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2003 Report Share Posted October 22, 2003 I was dx with osteopenia took my calcium. April 2002 hurt my back at work am now on Social Security Disabilty due to overall bone mass loss main reason my PCP oked this WLS for me may be looking at hip replacement. back and shoulders Shot to hell!!!!!!! So do watch it esp. since postie When my PCP saw results on my bone denesty(SP)(to lazy to get dictionary out lol anyway he was suprised I could even walk and more suprised left hip had not fractured. I was (am) a LPN so part of job( loose the back lol) BONE LOSS according to the bone density scan i had this month, i have below average bone mass for a 31 yr old. even though i'm religious w/ my calc citrate & other supplements, do weight-bearing exercise including weights & jogging, i'm not menopausal, etc etc. i don't fit any of the typical categories. PCP wasn't alarmed, I WAS. he increased my calcium, ordered me to take in 15 minutes of sun a day, bleh bleh. if any of you all, have experience w/ bone issues, let's brainstorm. osteopenia sux!! lori h. 17 months out, & yes, still GRATEFUL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2003 Report Share Posted October 23, 2003 thanx for the reply. it's little grim for someone who breathes wls day & night to be diagnosed with a nutritional deficiency. i'm always reading, going to meetings, etc. guess it's a little like the hair loss issue, i didn't have a major problem; but i've met " scalpies " who've stated they done " everything right " . sending bone mending wishes! lori h. > I was dx with osteopenia took my calcium. April 2002 hurt my back at work am now on Social Security Disabilty due to overall bone mass loss main reason my PCP oked this WLS for me may be looking at hip replacement. back and shoulders Shot to hell!!!!!!! So do watch it esp. since postie When my PCP saw results on my bone denesty(SP)(to lazy to get dictionary out lol > anyway he was suprised I could even walk and more suprised left hip had not fractured. I was (am) a LPN so part of job( loose the back lol) > BONE LOSS > > > according to the bone density scan i had this month, i have below > average bone mass for a 31 yr old. even though i'm religious w/ my > calc citrate & other supplements, do weight-bearing exercise including > weights & jogging, i'm not menopausal, etc etc. i don't fit any of > the typical categories. PCP wasn't alarmed, I WAS. he increased my > calcium, ordered me to take in 15 minutes of sun a day, bleh bleh. > > if any of you all, have experience w/ bone issues, let's brainstorm. > osteopenia sux!! > > lori h. > 17 months out, & yes, still GRATEFUL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2003 Report Share Posted October 24, 2003 hi tonna. if you can, have a bone density scan. my insurance covered it, just state the diagnosis as " post-operative malabsorbtion " . & dayyyyummmm, so true. don't think it's sunk in yet... what kinds of bone probs are you having? a postie friend of mine who lost her weight very rapidly is having all kinds of probs w/ her teeth, could be related. line up all your resources: in-person support groups, etc & if you can , get in to see a bariatric surgeon. you're having bloodwork done by a local doc, right? keep in touch. lori h. > > I was dx with osteopenia took my calcium. April 2002 hurt > my back at work am now on Social Security Disabilty due to overall > bone mass loss main reason my PCP oked this WLS for me may be > looking at hip replacement. back and shoulders Shot to hell!!!!!!! So > do watch it esp. since postie When my PCP saw results on my bone > denesty(SP)(to lazy to get dictionary out lol > > anyway he was suprised I could even walk and more suprised left > hip had not fractured. I was (am) a LPN so part of job( loose the > back lol) > > > BONE LOSS > > > > > > according to the bone density scan i had this month, i have below > > average bone mass for a 31 yr old. even though i'm religious w/ > my > > calc citrate & other supplements, do weight-bearing exercise > including > > weights & jogging, i'm not menopausal, etc etc. i don't fit any > of > > the typical categories. PCP wasn't alarmed, I WAS. he increased > my > > calcium, ordered me to take in 15 minutes of sun a day, bleh bleh. > > > > if any of you all, have experience w/ bone issues, let's > brainstorm. > > osteopenia sux!! > > > > lori h. > > 17 months out, & yes, still GRATEFUL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 Hi Lori, I can't say that I am of great knowledge on Bone Issues, but is there any way that they can tell if the cause of your below average bone density is related to WLS or if it is something that has been there all along, just gone undiagnosed until now? Also, did you take Magnesium and Vitamin D with your Calcium supplement? In my " own " research, I found out that Calcium is not absorbed if you do not take the right amounts of Magnesium and Vit. D with it. From what I understand the amounts should be 2:1 (2 parts Calcium and 1 part magnesium, ex. 1000mg. calcium to 500mg. magnesium) and I'm not sure what the right amount of Vitamin D should be, but the sun exposure will help your body to manufacture its own Vitamin D. There is not enough Vitamin D in milk products to supply our bodies with what it needs. Also, our bodies can only absorb a certain amount of calcium at one time, so that is why we must take it throughout the day and especially at night when it is absorbed best. Is osteopenia reversible? Or is it a prelude to Osteosporosis? I've honestly never heard of osteopenia. Have the Dr's given any more suggestions of what you can do? You may want to check out a good vitamin and supplement book and go to a vitamin or health food store, because it can be confusing on how to take your vitamins and how certain vitamins don't work well together (ie. calcium and iron) and how taking other vitamins together can help our bodies to absorb them better. I wish you the best! in MI Post-Op 236/231/? > according to the bone density scan i had this month, i have below > average bone mass for a 31 yr old. even though i'm religious w/ my > calc citrate & other supplements, do weight-bearing exercise including > weights & jogging, i'm not menopausal, etc etc. i don't fit any of > the typical categories. PCP wasn't alarmed, I WAS. he increased my > calcium, ordered me to take in 15 minutes of sun a day, bleh bleh. > > if any of you all, have experience w/ bone issues, let's brainstorm. > osteopenia sux!! > > lori h. > 17 months out, & yes, still GRATEFUL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 hey marina. i do chewable wafers by Twinlab. no horse pills here. thanx for the reply, hunny. too funny about your previous tablets. lori h. > Lori, I don't know what type of Calcium Citrate you take, but once I > took the Citracal Ultradense Calcium Citrate Caplets + D and it came out > of the other end whole if you get my drift. Before those suckers can be > absorbed, I figured they have to disolve. I went back to my Twinlabs > chewables. > > > Marina (Los Angeles, CA) > post-op 3/12/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 hi stephanie, IT IS a result of wls & the malabsorption component. my PCP of 7 years concluded this, i've done frequent check-ups both before & after surgery. i'm not in any typical category for bone issues, none at all. i'm not menopausal, not Asian or Caucasian, don't have a small frame or family history of bone issues. i've had guidance from more than one nutritionist regarding diet & supplements, both before & definitely after wls. i've taken college level Nutrition courses. & i listen to presentations from nutritionists @ support meetings. so i know about spacing supps throughout the day & which supps to combine (or not). here's what my bottle of calcium citrate says: vit d 400 iu,calcium 1000 mg, magnesium 500 mg. after meeting a couple hundred posties @ meetings, imho, our systems all react in an individual way to surg; we all vary regarding hair loss, levels of excess skin, etc. i'll keep you all updated, my 18 month post-op appointment is coming up. lori h. > Hi Lori, > > I can't say that I am of great knowledge on Bone Issues, but is there > any way that they can tell if the cause of your below average bone > density is related to WLS or if it is something that has been there > all along, just gone undiagnosed until now? Also, did you take > Magnesium and Vitamin D with your Calcium supplement? > > In my " own " research, I found out that Calcium is not absorbed if you > do not take the right amounts of Magnesium and Vit. D with it. From > what I understand the amounts should be 2:1 (2 parts Calcium and 1 > part magnesium, ex. 1000mg. calcium to 500mg. magnesium) and I'm not > sure what the right amount of Vitamin D should be, but the sun > exposure will help your body to manufacture its own Vitamin D. There > is not enough Vitamin D in milk products to supply our bodies with > what it needs. Also, our bodies can only absorb a certain amount of > calcium at one time, so that is why we must take it throughout the > day and especially at night when it is absorbed best. > > Is osteopenia reversible? Or is it a prelude to Osteosporosis? I've > honestly never heard of osteopenia. Have the Dr's given any more > suggestions of what you can do? You may want to check out a good > vitamin and supplement book and go to a vitamin or health food store, > because it can be confusing on how to take your vitamins and how > certain vitamins don't work well together (ie. calcium and iron) and > how taking other vitamins together can help our bodies to absorb them > better. > > I wish you the best! > > in MI > Post-Op > 236/231/? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 Hi again, You're right everyone's bodies react differently to any type of surgery. You definitely know more than I about Osteopenia, its causes, who it affects and why, until now I had never heard of it. Didn't intend to make your feel as if you were uneducated about it, thought I'd offer my two cents for " putting our heads together " . Good luck with your 18 month check up! Once again, wishing you the best! in MI Post-Op 236/231/? > > Hi Lori, > > > > I can't say that I am of great knowledge on Bone Issues, but is > there > > any way that they can tell if the cause of your below average bone > > density is related to WLS or if it is something that has been > there > > all along, just gone undiagnosed until now? Also, did you take > > Magnesium and Vitamin D with your Calcium supplement? > > > > In my " own " research, I found out that Calcium is not absorbed if > you > > do not take the right amounts of Magnesium and Vit. D with it. > From > > what I understand the amounts should be 2:1 (2 parts Calcium and 1 > > part magnesium, ex. 1000mg. calcium to 500mg. magnesium) and I'm > not > > sure what the right amount of Vitamin D should be, but the sun > > exposure will help your body to manufacture its own Vitamin D. > There > > is not enough Vitamin D in milk products to supply our bodies with > > what it needs. Also, our bodies can only absorb a certain amount > of > > calcium at one time, so that is why we must take it throughout the > > day and especially at night when it is absorbed best. > > > > Is osteopenia reversible? Or is it a prelude to Osteosporosis? > I've > > honestly never heard of osteopenia. Have the Dr's given any more > > suggestions of what you can do? You may want to check out a good > > vitamin and supplement book and go to a vitamin or health food > store, > > because it can be confusing on how to take your vitamins and how > > certain vitamins don't work well together (ie. calcium and iron) > and > > how taking other vitamins together can help our bodies to absorb > them > > better. > > > > I wish you the best! > > > > in MI > > Post-Op > > 236/231/? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 hi osteopenia is early stages , should be able to turn it with proper diet ----- Original Messisage ----- From: C. To: Gastric_Bypass_Family Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 1:13 PM Subject: Re: BONE LOSS Hi Lori, I can't say that I am of great knowledge on Bone Issues, but is there any way that they can tell if the cause of your below average bone density is related to WLS or if it is something that has been there all along, just gone undiagnosed until now? Also, did you take Magnesium and Vitamin D with your Calcium supplement? In my " own " research, I found out that Calcium is not absorbed if you do not take the right amounts of Magnesium and Vit. D with it. From what I understand the amounts should be 2:1 (2 parts Calcium and 1 part magnesium, ex. 1000mg. calcium to 500mg. magnesium) and I'm not sure what the right amount of Vitamin D should be, but the sun exposure will help your body to manufacture its own Vitamin D. There is not enough Vitamin D in milk products to supply our bodies with what it needs. Also, our bodies can only absorb a certain amount of calcium at one time, so that is why we must take it throughout the day and especially at night when it is absorbed best. Is osteopenia reversible? Or is it a prelude to Osteosporosis? I've honestly never heard of osteopenia. Have the Dr's given any more suggestions of what you can do? You may want to check out a good vitamin and supplement book and go to a vitamin or health food store, because it can be confusing on how to take your vitamins and how certain vitamins don't work well together (ie. calcium and iron) and how taking other vitamins together can help our bodies to absorb them better. I wish you the best! in MI Post-Op 236/231/? > according to the bone density scan i had this month, i have below > average bone mass for a 31 yr old. even though i'm religious w/ my > calc citrate & other supplements, do weight-bearing exercise including > weights & jogging, i'm not menopausal, etc etc. i don't fit any of > the typical categories. PCP wasn't alarmed, I WAS. he increased my > calcium, ordered me to take in 15 minutes of sun a day, bleh bleh. > > if any of you all, have experience w/ bone issues, let's brainstorm. > osteopenia sux!! > > lori h. > 17 months out, & yes, still GRATEFUL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2003 Report Share Posted October 26, 2003 it's alright, hunny. i don't think the news has really sunk in. i'm grateful for being @ " normal " BMI, & was floored to hear an unlikely & shocking diagnosis. wls is not all utopia. thanx for your support & for caring enough to reach out:-) lori h. > Hi again, > You're right everyone's bodies react differently to any type of > surgery. Osteopenia, its > causes, who it affects and why, until now I had never heard of it. > Good luck with your 18 month check up! > > Once again, wishing you the best! > > in MI > Post-Op > 236/231/? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2003 Report Share Posted October 26, 2003 Hmmmm Lori.... You're almost a year and a half post-op, right? I'm surprised your bone loss is showing up so early, especially given your young age. Its a little scary to say the least. I wonder just how prevalent osteopenia is for WLS patients. Any word? Wishing you luck girl! **Don't dwell on past failures, dream of future successes.** ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Toi ~ Colorado Lap RNY Medial Bypass 12/31/02 -138 lbs St. Mark's Hospital Salt Lake City, UT Dr. Simper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2003 Report Share Posted October 26, 2003 i'll ask my phenomenal follow-up surgeon, he's brilliant. i've been doing tons of research in the meantime. i'm super proactive, that's the reason i even asked for a bone density scan. i figured it would be a baseline & i'd have another one way off into the future, WRONG!! talk about soiling my shorts, stuff like this isn't supposed to happen to 31 year old wls crusaders. thanx hunny, i'll give you the " skinny " once i learn even more. lori h. > Hmmmm Lori.... You're almost a year and a half post-op, right? I'm > surprised your bone loss is showing up so early, especially given > your young age. Its a little scary to say the least. I wonder just > how prevalent osteopenia is for WLS patients. Any word? > > Wishing you luck girl! > > **Don't dwell on past failures, dream of future > > successes.** > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Toi ~ Colorado > Lap RNY Medial Bypass > 12/31/02 > -138 lbs > St. Mark's Hospital > Salt Lake City, UT > Dr. Simper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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