Re: pediatrician question

December 13, 2003

I called every pediatrician in the book to see which one didn't care if I

vaccinated. I found one. We have been once for a yearly check up. I try not to

piss them off in case I need one. like for a broken bone or to have stitches

removed and such. I also like to use them to diagnose because my insurance pays

for that. I use them to find the problem then treat homeopathically.

All the best,

" Parents should decide through informed choice, which vaccines if any should

be

given to their children "

<A HREF= " http://www.vaccinetruth.org/ " >Vaccine Information</A>

December 13, 2003

At 10:06 AM 12/13/2003 -0700, you wrote:

>Anyone know how I can locate a pediatrician that will support my views

>on vaccinations? I have no idea where to start looking.

>

Well

#1 why do you think you need a pediatrician - this is a serious question

#2 where do you live

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OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

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******

" Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down.

Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy

knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information

and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner

December 13, 2003

My three year old son has health issues, seizures and Epstein Barr.

Since he has almost died in my arms twice, I feel more comfortable

having a pediatrician on call for him. I am also due in March with my

second child and will need a pediatrician for that child as well. But I

do not want flack for my vaccination decisions. I live in Phoenix,

Arizona.

>

Well

#1 why do you think you need a pediatrician - this is a serious question

#2 where do you live

December 13, 2003

At 10:29 AM 12/13/2003 -0700, you wrote:

>My three year old son has health issues, seizures and Epstein Barr.

>Since he has almost died in my arms twice, I feel more comfortable

>having a pediatrician on call for him. I am also due in March with my

>second child and will need a pediatrician for that child as well. But I

>do not want flack for my vaccination decisions. I live in Phoenix,

>Arizona.

>

Hopefully someone else is here from Phoenix

but there is an EXCELLENT homeopathic group (with an MD) in your area

http://www.homeopathy-cures.com

click on find a homeopath and it is the first group listed

They certainly may be able to do a lot for your son.

In case you want

I understand your concern

Sheri

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL

OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

******

" Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down.

Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy

knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information

and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner

December 13, 2003

I would recommend finding a good classical homeopath instead and skip the

pediatrician! : )

Kay

*************

Anyone know how I can locate a pediatrician that will support my views

on vaccinations? I have no idea where to start looking.

December 13, 2003

Well, unfortunately a homeopath will not be covered by insurance.

Re: Pediatrician question

I would recommend finding a good classical homeopath instead and skip

the pediatrician! : )

Kay

*************

Anyone know how I can locate a pediatrician that will support my views

on vaccinations? I have no idea where to start looking.

December 13, 2003

At 11:21 AM 12/13/2003 -0700, you wrote:

>Well, unfortunately a homeopath will not be covered by insurance.

>

I KNOW it is challenging as no homeopath ever was covered by my insurance

either

BUT when we choose something that damages us further and does not help and

does not cure us because it is covered by insurance, that makes no sense,

does it?

We have to find ways to pay for a homeopath if that is what will cure us in

the long run.

There is nothing more I can say

Sheri

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL

OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

******

" Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down.

Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy

knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information

and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner

December 13, 2003

How much is your child's health worth? Would you rather have a free

dispensor of poison or an expensive dispenser of health? In addition, what

are you doing in the way of lobbying to demand that you be given choice when

it comes to health measures? It is one thing to want to see a natural

therapist and say you can't afford it. It is another thing to complain about

it but not do anything to change the situation. We all need to take

responsibility for ourselves and our families and that means becoming health

activisits.

Take care,

Meryl

Re: Pediatrician question

I would recommend finding a good classical homeopath instead and skip

the pediatrician! : )

Kay

*************

December 13, 2003

, if you don't want flack or a threat of a DSS

investiagion....simply say, " i want to wait until my child's immune system

is stronger....until he/she is older. " More often than not, they do leave

you alone with, " okay, as long as you make sure they get it. "

Say it every time....

Dewey, Prescott....JUST NORTH OF YOU! =)

December 13, 2003

Call your local chiropractor or midwives. Most chiropractors are anti

vaccines and so are midwives. I found mine through my midwife.

Sara

Pediatrician question

> Anyone know how I can locate a pediatrician that will support my views

> on vaccinations? I have no idea where to start looking.

>

December 13, 2003

I would add that although a licensed homeopath isn't covered by insurance,

if that licensed homeopath is also an MD or DO or chiropractor, as many

are, you can get treatment that way as a regular office visit that *is*

covered under most plans.

Just be careful, because there are many health practitioners who dabble in

homeopathy but don't have sufficient training.

-

December 13, 2003

I have struggled with the same dilemma about whether or not to have an MD or a

homeopath since my homeopath isn't covered. But why have free insurance if the

only care you get is crap??? What we do is we have a pediatrician (who also

does homeopathy and anthroposophical medicine) for all the minor stuff like a

physical for school or things I just want herbs or once when my daughter didn't

respond homeopathically and need to be hospitalized overnight with breathing

treatments--then it was covered under him. My insurance pays for my

chiropractor and my own MD so I can get a pap once in a while or a check up if I

need one (had an EKG done last year etc.) Otherwise my husband and I paid the

$250 each to start our relationship with a good classical homeopath, get our

constitutional remedies, and now if we have any minor problems we just phone or

email him for free or a follow up visit is $40. Rarely will a homeopath keep

charging you over and over for quick question. I don't usually ever have to go

in for an office visit. I haven't brought each of my girls to him yet but I'm

sure if there were an emergency he'd treat them.

L.

Proud mom to Autumn (1-13-97) and Zoe (8-8-00)

December 13, 2003

Having health insurance for me is like having car insurance. It's for

emergencies and I pay $250.00 a month for it. If I didn't have it I

would be over 100 grand in debt just from the emergencies of the past

three years. I wish I could drop the insurance and use homeopathy but

unfortunately, it won't be much of a help if I get in a major car

accident and break my legs in eight places each. For the recovery yes,

but for the initial accident, no. And I just can't see paying that much

a month AND paying a homeopath right now. I may just be unlucky, but I

have had several horrific medical tragedies in the past few years and I

need the insurance.

so, instead of forking out your share for private med

insurance, or sticking to a job because you're covered

by insurance, you might wanna spend a few bucks as a

one time investment and thereafter you can save the

money on the medical insurance side. the side effect

of that is that you'll get real good advice and get

healthy.

just my opinion.

claudia

December 14, 2003

<<Anyone know how I can locate a pediatrician that will support my views

on vaccinations? I have no idea where to start looking.>>

If you can't go to a homeopath for whatever reason you'll have more luck

with a Family doctor, a General Practice dr than a pediatrician.

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December 14, 2003

I'll add La Leche League to your list. There will always be somebody

in a group who does not vaccinate.

> Call your local chiropractor or midwives. Most chiropractors are

anti

> vaccines and so are midwives. I found mine through my midwife.

>

> Sara

December 14, 2003

I, too, would not go without medical insurance. Our medical

insurance protects our investments for the future. I believe that a

good diet can prevent most ills. I believe that alternative

medicines are valid. I also believe that MD's have their place in my

life.

> Having health insurance for me is like having car insurance. It's

for

> emergencies and I pay $250.00 a month for it. If I didn't have it I

> would be over 100 grand in debt just from the emergencies of the

past

June 5, 2007

By the time they needed to be ordered I pretty much knew what the

problem was. I took the list that the GI doc's nurse said I'd need to

get an appointment and added two more at the suggestion of my husband's

cousin's wife, a doctor, to the pediatrician. I told her that these

conerns came up between my research on this forum and general concerns I

had about loose stool, low tone, etc. She missed the low tone and always

questioned the need for Early Intervention so I did not expect her to be

receptive. I told her the wait for the GI was 8 months but I might get

in earlier with these labs. She reluctantlly did it. When I asked for

the same for my daughter she refused. I then had to ask cousin's wife to

do it. The jury is still out on what all will be covered by insurance.

At the end of the day I doubt the policy specifically excludes celiac

and related testing since it is so rarely diagnosed. Battling them for

that money will be my pleasure, especially knowing what i prevented by

getting those labs. In the interim I guess I'll set up a payment plan.

My take on payments for labs and therapies is as follows: 1) Thoroughly

investigate what is needed 2) Once you figure it out pay for it, even if

you are using college funds because they'll never get there without it

and 3) Prepare to battle. I say this as someone without a lot of access

to $. Apparently the state of NJ would require us to make $30,000 more

per year before they'd want us to contribute to services.

Best wishes Tina:)

trmckenna1 wrote:

>This message is for parents that have had success with their child's

>peciatrician ordering blood test, celiac disease test, carnitine tests,

>etc.

>

>Basically our story is my son's pediatrician wouldn't think outside the

>box to get tests ordered or look into what is covered by our insurance

>company. She is a wonderful pediatrician, but just doesn't have the

>knowledge and is not willing to learn about apraxia. We currently have

>Blue Cross Blue Shield.

>

>My question is how did your pediatrican go about getting tests ordered

>and covered by insurance. Were you involved or did the pediatrician

>just know how to get around the insurance companies?

>

>Anything else you can add would greatly be appreciated because I am

>about to interview a pediatrican that I believe would do research to

>learn more about apraxia.

>

>Thanks in advance,

>Tina

>

June 6, 2007

Curious: why was the wait for the GI so long? Were you going to

CHOP? We were able to see a mediocre GI in Somerset, NJ while

waiting for CHOP, and I used the lab tests he ordered when we got

into CHOP. Saved us a little time, although we came away with no

answers. (Neither GI doc had heard of the digestive enzymes we use,

which are not really that obsure. Both seemed to think our success

with them was a coincidence, despite my insistence that he potty

trained overnight because of them. They called them " harmless " and

treated them like some silly herbal remedy, although the CHOP woman

was much more receptive to the possiblities.)

>

> >This message is for parents that have had success with their

child's

> >peciatrician ordering blood test, celiac disease test, carnitine

tests,

> >etc.

> >

> >Basically our story is my son's pediatrician wouldn't think

outside the

> >box to get tests ordered or look into what is covered by our

insurance

> >company. She is a wonderful pediatrician, but just doesn't have

the

> >knowledge and is not willing to learn about apraxia. We currently

have

> >Blue Cross Blue Shield.

> >

> >My question is how did your pediatrican go about getting tests

ordered

> >and covered by insurance. Were you involved or did the

pediatrician

> >just know how to get around the insurance companies?

> >

> >Anything else you can add would greatly be appreciated because I

am

> >about to interview a pediatrican that I believe would do research

to

> >learn more about apraxia.

> >

> >Thanks in advance,

> >Tina

> >

June 6, 2007

Hi Tina -

We currently have BCBS PPO plan (our local is out of PA). There

wasn't any problem getting them to pay for most of the blood tests.

We had celiac, thyroid, testicular, vitamin A,E, Beta Carotene, CBC,

comp metabolic panel, lipid panel, measles/mumps/rebella, vitamin D,

copper, zinc, and F078 casein. I really don't think our doctor had to

do anything special to get it covered. We just went to a LabCorp.

The only blood test that BCBS would not pay for is the IgG allergy

test. If I had to do it all over again I wouldn't have this done

again even if they did pay.

Also, Great Plains Laboratory takes BCBS. All of our urine and stool

labs were covered 100% with them.

Of course, it all depends on which BCBS plan you have and what state

it is out of...but this has been our experience.

>

> This message is for parents that have had success with their

child's

> peciatrician ordering blood test, celiac disease test, carnitine

tests,

> etc.

>

> Basically our story is my son's pediatrician wouldn't think outside

the

> box to get tests ordered or look into what is covered by our

insurance

> company. She is a wonderful pediatrician, but just doesn't have

the

> knowledge and is not willing to learn about apraxia. We currently

have

> Blue Cross Blue Shield.

>

> My question is how did your pediatrican go about getting tests

ordered

> and covered by insurance. Were you involved or did the

pediatrician

> just know how to get around the insurance companies?

>

> Anything else you can add would greatly be appreciated because I am

> about to interview a pediatrican that I believe would do research

to

> learn more about apraxia.

>

> Thanks in advance,

> Tina

>

June 6, 2007

Yes, waiting for Dr. Verma at CHOP. Who did you see there?

bigcheech91 wrote:

>Curious: why was the wait for the GI so long? Were you going to

>CHOP? We were able to see a mediocre GI in Somerset, NJ while

>waiting for CHOP, and I used the lab tests he ordered when we got

>into CHOP. Saved us a little time, although we came away with no

>answers. (Neither GI doc had heard of the digestive enzymes we use,

>which are not really that obsure. Both seemed to think our success

>with them was a coincidence, despite my insistence that he potty

>trained overnight because of them. They called them " harmless " and

>treated them like some silly herbal remedy, although the CHOP woman

>was much more receptive to the possiblities.)

>

>>

>>>This message is for parents that have had success with their

>>>

>child's

>

>>>peciatrician ordering blood test, celiac disease test, carnitine

>>>

>tests,

>

>>>etc.

>>>

>>>Basically our story is my son's pediatrician wouldn't think

>>>

>outside the

>

>>>box to get tests ordered or look into what is covered by our

>>>

>insurance

>

>>>company. She is a wonderful pediatrician, but just doesn't have

>>>

>the

>

>>>knowledge and is not willing to learn about apraxia. We currently

>>>

>have

>

>>>Blue Cross Blue Shield.

>>>

>>>My question is how did your pediatrican go about getting tests

>>>

>ordered

>

>>>and covered by insurance. Were you involved or did the

>>>

>pediatrician

>

>>>just know how to get around the insurance companies?

>>>

>>>Anything else you can add would greatly be appreciated because I

>>>

>am

>

>>>about to interview a pediatrican that I believe would do research

>>>

>to

>

>>>learn more about apraxia.

>>>

>>>Thanks in advance,

>>>Tina

>>>

June 7, 2007

Thank you for the information. We have an HMO plan, so hopefully it

will be covered also.

Thanks again

Tina

> >

> > This message is for parents that have had success with their

> child's

> > peciatrician ordering blood test, celiac disease test, carnitine

> tests,

> > etc.

> >

> > Basically our story is my son's pediatrician wouldn't think

outside

> the

> > box to get tests ordered or look into what is covered by our

> insurance

> > company. She is a wonderful pediatrician, but just doesn't have

> the

> > knowledge and is not willing to learn about apraxia. We

currently

> have

> > Blue Cross Blue Shield.

> >

> > My question is how did your pediatrican go about getting tests

> ordered

> > and covered by insurance. Were you involved or did the

> pediatrician

> > just know how to get around the insurance companies?

> >

> > Anything else you can add would greatly be appreciated because I

am

> > about to interview a pediatrican that I believe would do research

> to

> > learn more about apraxia.

> >

> > Thanks in advance,

> > Tina

> >

>

June 8, 2007

We were waiting for Dr. Verma, but after we saw the allergist

(Spergel -- not really helpful) we got fast-tracked to see Dr.

Mascarenhas because she is the GI who is most expert in CF. Despite

me not being worried about CF at all, they saw his history of

excessive mucous as a cause for concern. (I was tested and am not a

carrier of the CF gene, but apparently that doesn't cover some of the

more obscure variants.) I found the concern a bit worrisome, but

also strange. Don't most kids with environmental allergies have a

lot of mucous? Why so much concern?

While we were waiting for Dr. Verma, we saw Dr. Jay Dadhania, who

ordered the same tests that Dr. Mascarenhas would have (except she

added the sweat test for CF). Then we got the appointment, so we saw

her first, then had the tests done. She gave us better instructions

regarding the tests, which gave me confidence in her abilities. (She

told us to take a break from the enzymes for at least five days

before doing the tests. Dadhania did not.)

She uncovered no problems, which is good news, but also frustrating.

No mainstream doctor has an explanation for why his stools were soft,

and why the enzymes fixed the situation. They try to say he outgrew

the problem, but that doesn't hold water. We fixed the problem

ourselves OVERNIGHT once we got the right enzyme dose. At some

point, we must consider taking him to DAN doctor. I still have

things to try before I run out of ideas, though.

in NJ

> >>

> >>>This message is for parents that have had success with their

> >>>

> >child's

> >

> >>>peciatrician ordering blood test, celiac disease test, carnitine

> >>>

> >tests,

> >

> >>>etc.

> >>>

> >>>Basically our story is my son's pediatrician wouldn't think

> >>>

> >outside the

> >

> >>>box to get tests ordered or look into what is covered by our

> >>>

> >insurance

> >

> >>>company. She is a wonderful pediatrician, but just doesn't have

> >>>

> >the

> >

> >>>knowledge and is not willing to learn about apraxia. We

currently

> >>>

> >have

> >

> >>>Blue Cross Blue Shield.

> >>>

> >>>My question is how did your pediatrican go about getting tests

> >>>

> >ordered

> >

> >>>and covered by insurance. Were you involved or did the

> >>>

> >pediatrician

> >

> >>>just know how to get around the insurance companies?

> >>>

> >>>Anything else you can add would greatly be appreciated because I

> >>>

> >am

> >

> >>>about to interview a pediatrican that I believe would do

research

> >>>

> >to

> >

> >>>learn more about apraxia.

> >>>

> >>>Thanks in advance,

> >>>Tina

> >>>

June 8, 2007

Thanks! Very helpful. Plus, the whole " grow out of it " thing makes no

sense since when you take him off the enzymes the stool remains soft, right?

bigcheech91 wrote:

>We were waiting for Dr. Verma, but after we saw the allergist

>(Spergel -- not really helpful) we got fast-tracked to see Dr.

>Mascarenhas because she is the GI who is most expert in CF. Despite

>me not being worried about CF at all, they saw his history of

>excessive mucous as a cause for concern. (I was tested and am not a

>carrier of the CF gene, but apparently that doesn't cover some of the

>more obscure variants.) I found the concern a bit worrisome, but

>also strange. Don't most kids with environmental allergies have a

>lot of mucous? Why so much concern?

>

>While we were waiting for Dr. Verma, we saw Dr. Jay Dadhania, who

>ordered the same tests that Dr. Mascarenhas would have (except she

>added the sweat test for CF). Then we got the appointment, so we saw

>her first, then had the tests done. She gave us better instructions

>regarding the tests, which gave me confidence in her abilities. (She

>told us to take a break from the enzymes for at least five days

>before doing the tests. Dadhania did not.)

>

>She uncovered no problems, which is good news, but also frustrating.

>No mainstream doctor has an explanation for why his stools were soft,

>and why the enzymes fixed the situation. They try to say he outgrew

>the problem, but that doesn't hold water. We fixed the problem

>ourselves OVERNIGHT once we got the right enzyme dose. At some

>point, we must consider taking him to DAN doctor. I still have

>things to try before I run out of ideas, though.

>

> in NJ

>

>>>>

>>>>>This message is for parents that have had success with their

>>>>>

>>>child's

>>>

>>>>>peciatrician ordering blood test, celiac disease test, carnitine

>>>>>

>>>tests,

>>>

>>>>>etc.

>>>>>

>>>>>Basically our story is my son's pediatrician wouldn't think

>>>>>

>>>outside the

>>>

>>>>>box to get tests ordered or look into what is covered by our

>>>>>

>>>insurance

>>>

>>>>>company. She is a wonderful pediatrician, but just doesn't have

>>>>>

>>>the

>>>

>>>>>knowledge and is not willing to learn about apraxia. We

>>>>>

>currently

>

>>>>>

>>>have

>>>

>>>>>Blue Cross Blue Shield.

>>>>>

>>>>>My question is how did your pediatrican go about getting tests

>>>>>

>>>ordered

>>>

>>>>>and covered by insurance. Were you involved or did the

>>>>>

>>>pediatrician

>>>

>>>>>just know how to get around the insurance companies?

>>>>>

>>>>>Anything else you can add would greatly be appreciated because I

>>>>>

>>>am

>>>

>>>>>about to interview a pediatrican that I believe would do

>>>>>

>research

>

>>>>>

>>>to

>>>

>>>>>learn more about apraxia.

>>>>>

>>>>>Thanks in advance,

>>>>>Tina

>>>>>

June 8, 2007

Where are you in NJ? We are in Milltown.