Re: Which type of filler in LDN capsules is best??

[Guest guest]

Hi Calli,

If you search back through the archives you will find a million postings

on fillers. As I read it the two most popular ones are lactose and

Avicel (microcrystalline cellulose) although various people have found

that they seem to be allergic to one or other and changing helps them a

lot. I use acidophilus which has the added advantage of adding good

bacteria to your gut. I have never read of anybody having problems with

it but that may be more due to the fact that a lot of pharmacies don't

offer it. Dr. Skip, why would that be?

The one to definitely steer clear of is calcium carbonate as it CAN pack

down and thus effectively become a slow release filler which destroys

the effectiveness of the LDN for us - we need it to be fast release.

Hope that helps.

nThanisch wrote:

>I've read about various 'fillers' used in LDN capsules but am a bit

>confused about which one might be best - and indeed which fillers might

>NOT be particularly good when used with LDN.

>

>Any suggestions? - or experiences of this?

>

>I've got an appointment with my GP next week to discuss the possibility

>of me being prescribed LDN - so I want to arrive with all the right

>information. As we know, sometimes we patients can know more about

>these things than our docs, bless em. I'm quite lucky, in that my GP

>often bows to his patients' experiences and knowledge when it comes to

>specifics to particular chronic conditions such as MS, and he's quite

>open minded about trying new things if he agrees that they might help.

>

>Thanks all

>Calli

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I've read about various 'fillers' used in LDN capsules but am a bit

> confused about which one might be best - and indeed which fillers might

> NOT be particularly good when used with LDN.

>

> Any suggestions? - or experiences of this?

>

> I've got an appointment with my GP next week to discuss the possibility

> of me being prescribed LDN - so I want to arrive with all the right

> information. As we know, sometimes we patients can know more about

> these things than our docs, bless em. I'm quite lucky, in that my GP

> often bows to his patients' experiences and knowledge when it comes to

> specifics to particular chronic conditions such as MS, and he's quite

> open minded about trying new things if he agrees that they might help.

>

> Thanks all

> Calli

> xx

>

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Lactose, non-dairy non refrigerate Acidophilus, Gelatin,

Avicel(cellulose)-symptoms if one is llergic to Avicel is...headache, nausea,

vomiting

Avoid calcium carbonate as a filler. CC can cause LDN to release slow and LDN

must release fast to work.

Dr. Bihari's choice of fillers is lactose unless his patiens are lactose

intolerant. Lactose is what Bihari started out with so he's sticking to it for

his research purposes.

[Guest guest]

here is the lecture on fillers from the ldn conferance

http://skipspharmacy.com/movie.php

when you order your ldn you should order it from one of the approved

pharmacies

that know how to compound this

they are listed at www.low dose naltrexone.org

cyndi

On Aug 29, 2006, at 9:03 AM, nThanisch wrote:

> I've read about various 'fillers' used in LDN capsules but am a bit

> confused about which one might be best - and indeed which fillers

> might

> NOT be particularly good when used with LDN.

>

> Any suggestions? - or experiences of this?

>

> I've got an appointment with my GP next week to discuss the

> possibility

> of me being prescribed LDN - so I want to arrive with all the right

> information. As we know, sometimes we patients can know more about

> these things than our docs, bless em. I'm quite lucky, in that my GP

> often bows to his patients' experiences and knowledge when it comes to

> specifics to particular chronic conditions such as MS, and he's quite

> open minded about trying new things if he agrees that they might help.

>

> Thanks all

> Calli

> xx

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

advicil is an hypoallergenic filler- it is used by most allergies and

environmental doctors- we compound for a big doc down here in florida

and will only use advicil. we have seen very few issues with it and

really can't even figure out why people are allergic to it since it

is basically inert.

the reason we do not do acidophilus is because because it does

something because there is a reason for it being there it is

considered another drug. putting two drugs in one capsule is

considered a no-no in the compounding world. a filler should be

something that just takes up space. when you add something that has

the potential to something else then your asking for trouble. and we

don't want any issues with our ldn. i'm sure skip will weigh in (if

we still have electricity later) -i know he's working his butt off to

get every out the door before the storm and i need to get off mine

and go held.

if you guys don't hear from us that because our electricity blew away.

and for my friend here from AZ who pissing and moaning over his rain

12 inches today and who knows how much tomorrow

cyndi

On Aug 29, 2006, at 9:22 AM, C wrote:

> Hi Calli,

>

> If you search back through the archives you will find a million

> postings

> on fillers. As I read it the two most popular ones are lactose and

> Avicel (microcrystalline cellulose) although various people have found

> that they seem to be allergic to one or other and changing helps

> them a

> lot. I use acidophilus which has the added advantage of adding good

> bacteria to your gut. I have never read of anybody having problems

> with

> it but that may be more due to the fact that a lot of pharmacies don't

> offer it. Dr. Skip, why would that be?

>

> The one to definitely steer clear of is calcium carbonate as it CAN

> pack

> down and thus effectively become a slow release filler which destroys

> the effectiveness of the LDN for us - we need it to be fast release.

>

> Hope that helps.

>

>

>

> nThanisch wrote:

>

>> I've read about various 'fillers' used in LDN capsules but am a bit

>> confused about which one might be best - and indeed which fillers

>> might

>> NOT be particularly good when used with LDN.

>>

>> Any suggestions? - or experiences of this?

>>

>> I've got an appointment with my GP next week to discuss the

>> possibility

>> of me being prescribed LDN - so I want to arrive with all the right

>> information. As we know, sometimes we patients can know more about

>> these things than our docs, bless em. I'm quite lucky, in that my GP

>> often bows to his patients' experiences and knowledge when it

>> comes to

>> specifics to particular chronic conditions such as MS, and he's quite

>> open minded about trying new things if he agrees that they might

>> help.

>>

>> Thanks all

>> Calli

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

i don't think this is true anymore. at the first ldn conference many

pharmacies including the one in NY was using calcium carbonate only.

thats why skip brought up the issue with it because he had done

research with calcium carbonate and one of the other pharmacists

disagreed with him so skip did the study to show everyone at the

second one why calcium carb did not work. Dr bihari is well aware of

the fillers that everyone uses that is approved on his board and has

no issues with it all. in fact on the dvd you hear joel gluck talking

about how he had issues when his advicil was changed to something else.

and then it got better after he changed back.

cyndi

>

>

>>

>> I've read about various 'fillers' used in LDN capsules but am a bit

>> confused about which one might be best - and indeed which fillers

>> might

>> NOT be particularly good when used with LDN.

>>

>> Any suggestions? - or experiences of this?

>>

>> I've got an appointment with my GP next week to discuss the

>> possibility

>> of me being prescribed LDN - so I want to arrive with all the right

>> information. As we know, sometimes we patients can know more about

>> these things than our docs, bless em. I'm quite lucky, in that my GP

>> often bows to his patients' experiences and knowledge when it

>> comes to

>> specifics to particular chronic conditions such as MS, and he's quite

>> open minded about trying new things if he agrees that they might

>> help.

>>

>> Thanks all

>> Calli

>> xx

>>

> ========

>

> Lactose, non-dairy non refrigerate Acidophilus, Gelatin, Avicel

> (cellulose)-symptoms if one is llergic to Avicel is...headache,

> nausea, vomiting

>

> Avoid calcium carbonate as a filler. CC can cause LDN to release

> slow and LDN must release fast to work.

>

> Dr. Bihari's choice of fillers is lactose unless his patiens are

> lactose intolerant. Lactose is what Bihari started out with so

> he's sticking to it for his research purposes.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Cyndi,

You don't think what is true anymore? That calcium carbonate does not cause LDN

to release slow or does cause it to release slow? I know many who have used CC

and their disease kept progressing and when hey switched fillers their

progression halted. I switched to CC from lactose and I started getting my

symptoms back, I immediately switched back to lactose and had wonderful results

again.

> >>

> >> I've read about various 'fillers' used in LDN capsules but am a bit

> >> confused about which one might be best - and indeed which fillers

> >> might

> >> NOT be particularly good when used with LDN.

> >>

> >> Any suggestions? - or experiences of this?

> >>

> >> I've got an appointment with my GP next week to discuss the

> >> possibility

> >> of me being prescribed LDN - so I want to arrive with all the right

> >> information. As we know, sometimes we patients can know more about

> >> these things than our docs, bless em. I'm quite lucky, in that my GP

> >> often bows to his patients' experiences and knowledge when it

> >> comes to

> >> specifics to particular chronic conditions such as MS, and he's quite

> >> open minded about trying new things if he agrees that they might

> >> help.

> >>

> >> Thanks all

> >> Calli

> >> xx

> >>

> > ========

> >

> > Lactose, non-dairy non refrigerate Acidophilus, Gelatin, Avicel

> > (cellulose)-symptoms if one is llergic to Avicel is...headache,

> > nausea, vomiting

> >

> > Avoid calcium carbonate as a filler. CC can cause LDN to release

> > slow and LDN must release fast to work.

> >

> > Dr. Bihari's choice of fillers is lactose unless his patiens are

> > lactose intolerant. Lactose is what Bihari started out with so

> > he's sticking to it for his research purposes.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Go here to learn everything you always wanted to know about fillers:

http://www.gazorpa.com/LDNFillers.html

And here's another handy item: " How to Talk to Your Doctor About LDN " :

http://www.gazorpa.com/PatientGuide.html

Hope these help... let us know how it goes for you!

Maureen

(Gazorpa)

>

> I've read about various 'fillers' used in LDN capsules but am a bit

> confused about which one might be best - and indeed which fillers might

> NOT be particularly good when used with LDN.

>

> Any suggestions? - or experiences of this?

>

> I've got an appointment with my GP next week to discuss the possibility

> of me being prescribed LDN - so I want to arrive with all the right

> information. As we know, sometimes we patients can know more about

> these things than our docs, bless em. I'm quite lucky, in that my GP

> often bows to his patients' experiences and knowledge when it comes to

> specifics to particular chronic conditions such as MS, and he's quite

> open minded about trying new things if he agrees that they might help.

>

> Thanks all

> Calli

> xx

>

[Guest guest]

I've read about various 'fillers' used in LDN capsules but am a bit confused about which one might be best - and indeed which fillers might NOT be particularly good when used with LDN.Any suggestions? - or experiences of this?I've got an appointment with my GP next week to discuss the possibility of me being prescribed LDN - so I want to arrive with all the right information. As we know, sometimes we patients can know more about these things than our docs, bless em. I'm quite lucky, in that my GP often bows to his patients' experiences and knowledge when it comes to specifics to particular chronic conditions such as MS, and he's quite open minded about trying new things if he agrees that they might help. Thanks all :)Callixx

[Guest guest]

no I do -I responding to the preferred filler by Dr Bahari.

cyndi

On Aug 29, 2006, at 12:29 PM, Bren wrote:

>

> Cyndi,

>

> You don't think what is true anymore? That calcium carbonate does

> not cause LDN to release slow or does cause it to release slow? I

> know many who have used CC and their disease kept progressing and

> when hey switched fillers their progression halted. I switched to

> CC from lactose and I started getting my symptoms back, I

> immediately switched back to lactose and had wonderful results again.

>

>

>

>

>>>>

>>>> I've read about various 'fillers' used in LDN capsules but am a bit

>>>> confused about which one might be best - and indeed which fillers

>>>> might

>>>> NOT be particularly good when used with LDN.

>>>>

>>>> Any suggestions? - or experiences of this?

>>>>

>>>> I've got an appointment with my GP next week to discuss the

>>>> possibility

>>>> of me being prescribed LDN - so I want to arrive with all the right

>>>> information. As we know, sometimes we patients can know more about

>>>> these things than our docs, bless em. I'm quite lucky, in that

>>>> my GP

>>>> often bows to his patients' experiences and knowledge when it

>>>> comes to

>>>> specifics to particular chronic conditions such as MS, and he's

>>>> quite

>>>> open minded about trying new things if he agrees that they might

>>>> help.

>>>>

>>>> Thanks all

>>>> Calli

>>>> xx

>>>>

>>> ========

>>>

>>> Lactose, non-dairy non refrigerate Acidophilus, Gelatin, Avicel

>>> (cellulose)-symptoms if one is llergic to Avicel is...headache,

>>> nausea, vomiting

>>>

>>> Avoid calcium carbonate as a filler. CC can cause LDN to release

>>> slow and LDN must release fast to work.

>>>

>>> Dr. Bihari's choice of fillers is lactose unless his patiens are

>>> lactose intolerant. Lactose is what Bihari started out with so

>>> he's sticking to it for his research purposes.

>>>

>>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, this makes no sense. The filler overpowers the naltrexone? I think you're confusing MS progression with perhaps an allergic reaction to the filler. What medical proof do you have that MS progression is caused by filler?

Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Which type of filler in LDN capsules is best??

no I do -I responding to the preferred filler by Dr Bahari.cyndiOn Aug 29, 2006, at 12:29 PM, Bren wrote:>> Cyndi,>> You don't think what is true anymore? That calcium carbonate does > not cause LDN to release slow or does cause it to release slow? I > know many who have used CC and their disease kept progressing and > when hey switched fillers their progression halted. I switched to > CC from lactose and I started getting my symptoms back, I > immediately switched back to lactose and had wonderful results again.>> >> >>>>>>>> I've read about various 'fillers' used in LDN capsules but am a bit>>>> confused about which one might be best - and indeed which fillers>>>> might>>>> NOT be particularly good when used with LDN.>>>>>>>> Any suggestions? - or experiences of this?>>>>>>>> I've got an appointment with my GP next week to discuss the>>>> possibility>>>> of me being prescribed LDN - so I want to arrive with all the right>>>> information. As we know, sometimes we patients can know more about>>>> these things than our docs, bless em. I'm quite lucky, in that >>>> my GP>>>> often bows to his patients' experiences and knowledge when it>>>> comes to>>>> specifics to particular chronic conditions such as MS, and he's >>>> quite>>>> open minded about trying new things if he agrees that they might>>>> help.>>>>>>>> Thanks all >>>> Calli>>>> xx>>>>>>> ========>>>>>> Lactose, non-dairy non refrigerate Acidophilus, Gelatin, Avicel>>> (cellulose)-symptoms if one is llergic to Avicel is...headache,>>> nausea, vomiting>>>>>> Avoid calcium carbonate as a filler. CC can cause LDN to release>>> slow and LDN must release fast to work.>>>>>> Dr. Bihari's choice of fillers is lactose unless his patiens are>>> lactose intolerant. Lactose is what Bihari started out with so>>> he's sticking to it for his research purposes.>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

>

> no I do -I responding to the preferred filler by Dr Bahari.

> cyndi

>

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Cyndi,

I'm confused with your answer. You DO think it's true that calcium

carbonate will cause LDN to release slow?

Thanks for clarifying.

Artie

[Guest guest]

never mind, I answered my own question. It's NOT the actual filler

causing the progression, it's the CC preventing absorption of LDN,

which is causing the progression.

> >>>>

> >>>> I've read about various 'fillers' used in LDN capsules but

am a bit

> >>>> confused about which one might be best - and indeed which

fillers

> >>>> might

> >>>> NOT be particularly good when used with LDN.

> >>>>

> >>>> Any suggestions? - or experiences of this?

> >>>>

> >>>> I've got an appointment with my GP next week to discuss the

> >>>> possibility

> >>>> of me being prescribed LDN - so I want to arrive with all

the right

> >>>> information. As we know, sometimes we patients can know

more about

> >>>> these things than our docs, bless em. I'm quite lucky, in

that

> >>>> my GP

> >>>> often bows to his patients' experiences and knowledge when

it

> >>>> comes to

> >>>> specifics to particular chronic conditions such as MS, and

he's

> >>>> quite

> >>>> open minded about trying new things if he agrees that they

might

> >>>> help.

> >>>>

> >>>> Thanks all

> >>>> Calli

> >>>> xx

> >>>>

> >>> ========

> >>>

> >>> Lactose, non-dairy non refrigerate Acidophilus, Gelatin,

Avicel

> >>> (cellulose)-symptoms if one is llergic to Avicel

is...headache,

> >>> nausea, vomiting

> >>>

> >>> Avoid calcium carbonate as a filler. CC can cause LDN to

release

> >>> slow and LDN must release fast to work.

> >>>

> >>> Dr. Bihari's choice of fillers is lactose unless his patiens

are

> >>> lactose intolerant. Lactose is what Bihari started out with

so

> >>> he's sticking to it for his research purposes.

> >>>

> >>>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

>

> never mind, I answered my own question. It's NOT the actual filler

> causing the progression, it's the CC preventing absorption of LDN,

> which is causing the progression.

>

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Dave,

Now you've got it...we're both in the same book and on the same page(folks,

that's just an expression, no real book).