Re: Does anyones' knees hurt?

[Guest guest]

Ann, I also have those fluid bulges on the sides of my knees! They are smaller

now though and the one doctor that ever said anything about mine said it was

from vericose veins. That was when my legs were swelling horribly and PAINFUL

all the time. I was actually lifting my legs in & out of the car as it hurt too

much to lift them on their own. Thank GOD that symptom was juts a hypo symptom

that is now gone. On a good day I can even get on my knees to clean bottom

cupboards and floors! I thought those days were gone about 5-6 years ago.

Artistic Grooming

Hurricane, West Virginia

[Guest guest]

Oh Cindi, Thank you for posting about your mother and TMJ. I have a sister

that has problems like you can't believe, well you guys will, sorry. She

grinds her teeth and can't lose weight, premature grey, fatique,

unrelenting neck pain for which she has had surgery. I mean when I got on

this list and saw what everyone was saying about how they feel or felt, I

knew my whole family has a thyroid problem. They keep going to doctors and

no one can find out what is wrong with them for sure. I know, had I not

found someone to guide me towards good supplements in the 80's, I would be

here with symptoms that would be right up there with the worst of them, if

I was here at all. Fortunately for me the supplements cleared up enough

for the rest of the organs that I was able to function quite well. But the

stress of the last 6 years is taking its toll and it is time to dig a

little deeper. Now to get them to subscribe . . . Sheila

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In a message dated 3/13/2005 10:53:21 AM Eastern Standard Time,

SKBliesath@... writes:

> I

> find the knee pain thing very interesting as my father suffered from

that,

> and me occasionally

my mother had knee surgery for this about 2-3 years before she died. i

don't

think it helped her, however. she'd had the knee joint pain since her 30s

and died early 60s. autopsy was undiagnosed hashi's - so i'm sure that her

Sheila Bliesath

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[Guest guest]

Oh Cindi, Thank you for posting about your mother and TMJ. I have a sister

that has problems like you can't believe, well you guys will, sorry. She

grinds her teeth and can't lose weight, premature grey, fatique,

unrelenting neck pain for which she has had surgery. I mean when I got on

this list and saw what everyone was saying about how they feel or felt, I

knew my whole family has a thyroid problem. They keep going to doctors and

no one can find out what is wrong with them for sure. I know, had I not

found someone to guide me towards good supplements in the 80's, I would be

here with symptoms that would be right up there with the worst of them, if

I was here at all. Fortunately for me the supplements cleared up enough

for the rest of the organs that I was able to function quite well. But the

stress of the last 6 years is taking its toll and it is time to dig a

little deeper. Now to get them to subscribe . . . Sheila

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In a message dated 3/13/2005 10:53:21 AM Eastern Standard Time,

SKBliesath@... writes:

> I

> find the knee pain thing very interesting as my father suffered from

that,

> and me occasionally

my mother had knee surgery for this about 2-3 years before she died. i

don't

think it helped her, however. she'd had the knee joint pain since her 30s

and died early 60s. autopsy was undiagnosed hashi's - so i'm sure that her

Sheila Bliesath

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[Guest guest]

Calcium Magnesium Potassium The one I take is 200 mg of each. Actually

Wallach tells you to eat chicken cartilage to keep your joints healthy.

One of the universities did study's with people who had joint problems and

gave half the group chicken cartilage and others got a placebo. The results

were astounding, but naturally didn't get much review as the pharmaceutical

companies can't patent chicken cartilage.

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What is CMK?

I

find the knee pain thing very interesting as my father suffered from that,

and me occasionally. But then I take CMK and that sends it packing. I just

thought it was because I am carrying around extra weight and my mineral

needs increased. Since the CMK works . . . but then how long will it

continue to work?

Sheila Bliesath

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[Guest guest]

Calcium Magnesium Potassium The one I take is 200 mg of each. Actually

Wallach tells you to eat chicken cartilage to keep your joints healthy.

One of the universities did study's with people who had joint problems and

gave half the group chicken cartilage and others got a placebo. The results

were astounding, but naturally didn't get much review as the pharmaceutical

companies can't patent chicken cartilage.

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What is CMK?

I

find the knee pain thing very interesting as my father suffered from that,

and me occasionally. But then I take CMK and that sends it packing. I just

thought it was because I am carrying around extra weight and my mineral

needs increased. Since the CMK works . . . but then how long will it

continue to work?

Sheila Bliesath

StarGate Travel

Phone:

For more information on travel or becoming an agent

info@...

[Guest guest]

Calcium Magnesium Potassium The one I take is 200 mg of each. Actually

Wallach tells you to eat chicken cartilage to keep your joints healthy.

One of the universities did study's with people who had joint problems and

gave half the group chicken cartilage and others got a placebo. The results

were astounding, but naturally didn't get much review as the pharmaceutical

companies can't patent chicken cartilage.

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What is CMK?

I

find the knee pain thing very interesting as my father suffered from that,

and me occasionally. But then I take CMK and that sends it packing. I just

thought it was because I am carrying around extra weight and my mineral

needs increased. Since the CMK works . . . but then how long will it

continue to work?

Sheila Bliesath

StarGate Travel

Phone:

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[Guest guest]

Oh I think they will believe me, it is just that I don't know enough to

give them advice. So I want them to come to the list and do some work for

themselves. LOL I should go check my one sister may be lurking as I type.

Two of them do not get on the Internet very much. But I can always send

them files!!! Good idea Sheila!! LOL

LOL and I said antibodies testing and everyone at the clinic looked at me

like I was crazy and I didn't have a piece of paper with me saying what I

needed. So I didn't sound very knowledgeable, because I wasn't!!!! Sheila

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In a message dated 3/13/2005 1:14:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, :

sometimes its hard to get friends/family to believe you when you tell them

they are hypo. i do think hypos quickly recognize it in others. but i

have one

friend who is a walking poster child for hypo and even has another

autoimmune

disease (sjorgren's) and i can not even get her to ask for antibodies

testing

for hashi's - her TSH is about 3 and her Free levels were so low. but of

course her trusted (gag) doctor tells her that is normal.

so it's hard...all we can do is try a few times...but they often don't

believe us.

cindi

Sheila Bliesath

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[Guest guest]

Oh I think they will believe me, it is just that I don't know enough to

give them advice. So I want them to come to the list and do some work for

themselves. LOL I should go check my one sister may be lurking as I type.

Two of them do not get on the Internet very much. But I can always send

them files!!! Good idea Sheila!! LOL

LOL and I said antibodies testing and everyone at the clinic looked at me

like I was crazy and I didn't have a piece of paper with me saying what I

needed. So I didn't sound very knowledgeable, because I wasn't!!!! Sheila

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

In a message dated 3/13/2005 1:14:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, :

sometimes its hard to get friends/family to believe you when you tell them

they are hypo. i do think hypos quickly recognize it in others. but i

have one

friend who is a walking poster child for hypo and even has another

autoimmune

disease (sjorgren's) and i can not even get her to ask for antibodies

testing

for hashi's - her TSH is about 3 and her Free levels were so low. but of

course her trusted (gag) doctor tells her that is normal.

so it's hard...all we can do is try a few times...but they often don't

believe us.

cindi

Sheila Bliesath

StarGate Travel

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[Guest guest]

Oh I think they will believe me, it is just that I don't know enough to

give them advice. So I want them to come to the list and do some work for

themselves. LOL I should go check my one sister may be lurking as I type.

Two of them do not get on the Internet very much. But I can always send

them files!!! Good idea Sheila!! LOL

LOL and I said antibodies testing and everyone at the clinic looked at me

like I was crazy and I didn't have a piece of paper with me saying what I

needed. So I didn't sound very knowledgeable, because I wasn't!!!! Sheila

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

In a message dated 3/13/2005 1:14:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, :

sometimes its hard to get friends/family to believe you when you tell them

they are hypo. i do think hypos quickly recognize it in others. but i

have one

friend who is a walking poster child for hypo and even has another

autoimmune

disease (sjorgren's) and i can not even get her to ask for antibodies

testing

for hashi's - her TSH is about 3 and her Free levels were so low. but of

course her trusted (gag) doctor tells her that is normal.

so it's hard...all we can do is try a few times...but they often don't

believe us.

cindi

Sheila Bliesath

StarGate Travel

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[Guest guest]

This board is so full of " aaahhhh " moments! This being another of

them! The more I read, the more I suspect that I have been

undiagnosed hypo for years & years. Soon after my last son was born

(11 years ago) I was diagnosed with multiple gallstones & required

surgery - it all happened quite quickly (he was only 4mths old when I

had the surgery). Soon after that (sometimee in the following year) I

lost the use of my left hand. Started waking up with excruitiating

pain in my first & second fingers & couldn't move/bend my hand. Spent

the next SIX years seeing every specialist on the planet to try and

figure out what was happening with my hand - no one really had any

idea what was causing it or how to treat it - tried lots of meds, even

cortisone shots into my hand - the last option was hand surgery (just

to " see " what was in there). No way was I doing that! Tried very

expensive chinese herbs for about 6 months (nearly threw up daily with

those, they were so revolting) & finally went to an acupunturist -

after about 6mths with him my hand 'suddenly' got better - I have

approx. 90% use of it now. The only thing that doctors could agree on

was that the synovial fluid in my hand had become extremely viscous

(there's that " aaaahhhh moment! " )which was causing the swelling, pain

& limit of motion.

As I continued thru this thread, there were more of those moments -

I've had 3 knee surgeries, but never could really resolve my knee

problems, lots of achy joints, etc., etc., etc., I believe now that

the only reason why I'm still functioning & attempting things like

triathlons is because I've been an absolute stickler for " real " things

in everything we do - real food, real clothes (natural fibers), real

house (as few as possible chemicals), real water (like God made it!)

etc. Somewhere deep down maybe my body knew there to be a problem and

was helping me know to live like this was the right thing to do????

Sorry ... rambling thoughts! Getting really nervous about my doc.

appt tomorrow ... keep those fingers crossed for a postive outcome here!

Kirsty

> >It also says:

> >Kneww effusions are a common sign in hypothyroidism with a sluggish

bulge sign, which is due to highly viscous synovial fluid. (whatever

that means).

>

> Synovial fluid is kinda like lubrication for your joints. Your body

makes it, it helps your kneecap slide over the bones underneath. If

it's " highly viscous " it's too thick and " sticky " to work well. Makes

sense in hypothyroidism.

>

> Laurie

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This board is so full of " aaahhhh " moments! This being another of

them! The more I read, the more I suspect that I have been

undiagnosed hypo for years & years. Soon after my last son was born

(11 years ago) I was diagnosed with multiple gallstones & required

surgery - it all happened quite quickly (he was only 4mths old when I

had the surgery). Soon after that (sometimee in the following year) I

lost the use of my left hand. Started waking up with excruitiating

pain in my first & second fingers & couldn't move/bend my hand. Spent

the next SIX years seeing every specialist on the planet to try and

figure out what was happening with my hand - no one really had any

idea what was causing it or how to treat it - tried lots of meds, even

cortisone shots into my hand - the last option was hand surgery (just

to " see " what was in there). No way was I doing that! Tried very

expensive chinese herbs for about 6 months (nearly threw up daily with

those, they were so revolting) & finally went to an acupunturist -

after about 6mths with him my hand 'suddenly' got better - I have

approx. 90% use of it now. The only thing that doctors could agree on

was that the synovial fluid in my hand had become extremely viscous

(there's that " aaaahhhh moment! " )which was causing the swelling, pain

& limit of motion.

As I continued thru this thread, there were more of those moments -

I've had 3 knee surgeries, but never could really resolve my knee

problems, lots of achy joints, etc., etc., etc., I believe now that

the only reason why I'm still functioning & attempting things like

triathlons is because I've been an absolute stickler for " real " things

in everything we do - real food, real clothes (natural fibers), real

house (as few as possible chemicals), real water (like God made it!)

etc. Somewhere deep down maybe my body knew there to be a problem and

was helping me know to live like this was the right thing to do????

Sorry ... rambling thoughts! Getting really nervous about my doc.

appt tomorrow ... keep those fingers crossed for a postive outcome here!

Kirsty

> >It also says:

> >Kneww effusions are a common sign in hypothyroidism with a sluggish

bulge sign, which is due to highly viscous synovial fluid. (whatever

that means).

>

> Synovial fluid is kinda like lubrication for your joints. Your body

makes it, it helps your kneecap slide over the bones underneath. If

it's " highly viscous " it's too thick and " sticky " to work well. Makes

sense in hypothyroidism.

>

> Laurie

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This board is so full of " aaahhhh " moments! This being another of

them! The more I read, the more I suspect that I have been

undiagnosed hypo for years & years. Soon after my last son was born

(11 years ago) I was diagnosed with multiple gallstones & required

surgery - it all happened quite quickly (he was only 4mths old when I

had the surgery). Soon after that (sometimee in the following year) I

lost the use of my left hand. Started waking up with excruitiating

pain in my first & second fingers & couldn't move/bend my hand. Spent

the next SIX years seeing every specialist on the planet to try and

figure out what was happening with my hand - no one really had any

idea what was causing it or how to treat it - tried lots of meds, even

cortisone shots into my hand - the last option was hand surgery (just

to " see " what was in there). No way was I doing that! Tried very

expensive chinese herbs for about 6 months (nearly threw up daily with

those, they were so revolting) & finally went to an acupunturist -

after about 6mths with him my hand 'suddenly' got better - I have

approx. 90% use of it now. The only thing that doctors could agree on

was that the synovial fluid in my hand had become extremely viscous

(there's that " aaaahhhh moment! " )which was causing the swelling, pain

& limit of motion.

As I continued thru this thread, there were more of those moments -

I've had 3 knee surgeries, but never could really resolve my knee

problems, lots of achy joints, etc., etc., etc., I believe now that

the only reason why I'm still functioning & attempting things like

triathlons is because I've been an absolute stickler for " real " things

in everything we do - real food, real clothes (natural fibers), real

house (as few as possible chemicals), real water (like God made it!)

etc. Somewhere deep down maybe my body knew there to be a problem and

was helping me know to live like this was the right thing to do????

Sorry ... rambling thoughts! Getting really nervous about my doc.

appt tomorrow ... keep those fingers crossed for a postive outcome here!

Kirsty

> >It also says:

> >Kneww effusions are a common sign in hypothyroidism with a sluggish

bulge sign, which is due to highly viscous synovial fluid. (whatever

that means).

>

> Synovial fluid is kinda like lubrication for your joints. Your body

makes it, it helps your kneecap slide over the bones underneath. If

it's " highly viscous " it's too thick and " sticky " to work well. Makes

sense in hypothyroidism.

>

> Laurie

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I believe magnesium (and calcium?) sometimes help with gnashing teeth.

-- prr

Sheila Bliesath SKBliesath@... wrote:

She grinds her teeth

[Guest guest]

Kirsty -

Fingers crossed. Don't forget to report back!

....

(who had been writing off all the crippling joint pains to advancing MS...)

Sorry ... rambling thoughts! Getting really nervous about my doc.

appt tomorrow ... keep those fingers crossed for a postive outcome here!

Kirsty

[Guest guest]

Kirsty -

Fingers crossed. Don't forget to report back!

....

(who had been writing off all the crippling joint pains to advancing MS...)

Sorry ... rambling thoughts! Getting really nervous about my doc.

appt tomorrow ... keep those fingers crossed for a postive outcome here!

Kirsty

[Guest guest]

I can get her to take supplements sometimes. Oh interesting story . . .

she went for a breast reduction last fall, and the surgeon actually put her

on some herbals for a few weeks before the surgery. It was to help with

healing, to reduce scarring. So there are some of them out there that are

paying attention for sure.

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I believe magnesium (and calcium?) sometimes help with gnashing teeth.

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