Re: Histamine and methyl/selenium helping intestinal flora

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just an intial impression of 'methylation' is it doesn't seem to be

consistent, that is, it may not be that useful a way of organising

ideas.

50mg is a huge dose of b vitamins.

sot(slightly off topic) mot(massively off topic) tpd(total phase

disjunction )

i notice people needing continuous probitics, i know that selenium

is required by 'good' intestinal yeast and was thinking maybe there

would be benefit in seleneometthionine being taken regularly to help

nurture a benign stomach flora.

tpd

message boards are not very persistant, that is topics sorta come and

go and opinions change, its not like a web site having the same thing

up persistently....

the problems i have seen on message boards come where people or

viewpoints have been excluded and naturally they want redress...

if people have a grievance then it important to understand that

redress is always avaliable by posting your thoughts on board

if one has time to peruse a message board and take time to take

offence from one post in a gazillion then there is time to post a

reply to it....

> I tried to connect the dots of the recent thread and added a little

> from a few sites. If anything new comes up, like finding the name

of

> the test to ask for, I will it and then this will be in the Files

> section under Related Topics. It is very consistent with what we

> have seen with people having phenol problems doing very badly on B6

> and DMG/TMG. In our family, I can note that my older son improved

> some on Zolfot (increased serotonin) and terrible on DMG and one

> multiple vitamin that had highER levels of all Bs at 50 mg/day. Kd.

>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>

> Pfeiffer identifies two different supplement regimes depending on

if

> you are an " overmethylator " or an " undermethylator. "

>

> Q: How can you find out if you are over or under?

> A: Histamine levels may be a good indicator of whether your child

is

> an over or under-methylator.

>

> Low histamine points to Overmethylator: If your child's histamine

> level is low he is probably an over-methylator (according to

> Pfeiffer research). This means that many supplements would be

> detrimental to him (those containing methyl). These would include

> taurine, GABA [both precursors to methyl activity in the brain],

> folic acid, B12, B6, DMG, TMG (and SAMe) - to name a few.

>

> From the Pfeiffer site http://www.hriptc.org/BioTreatment.html in

> regard to depression and neurotransmitters:

> High-histamine depressives overproduce and retain excessive levels

> of histamine, an important neurotransmitter which affects human

> behavior. They are under-methylated resulting in generalized low

> levels of important neurotransmitters such as serotonin. This

> syndrome often involves seasonal variations in depression,

obsessive-

> compulsive behavior, inhalant allergies, and frequent headaches.

> Biochemical treatment revolves around antifolates, especially

> calcium and methionine.

> Low-histamine depressives are usually nervous, anxious individuals

> who are prone to paranoia and despair. They are over-methylated

> which results in elevated dopamine and norepinephrine levels.

> Although free of seasonal allergies, they often report a multitude

> of food and chemical sensitivities. Many have a history of

> hyperactivity, learning disabilities, and underachievement.

> Treatment focuses on use of folic acid together with niacinamide

and

> vitamin B-12, with about 2-4 months required for correction of the

> imbalance.

>

> Q: What test checks histamine levels?

> A: There is a blood test to measure histamine. Your pediatrician

> can do it.

>

> Q: How can I lower the histamine level?

> A: Some people, who have trouble converting sulfur to sulphate (PST

> issue), and who have a sensitivity to foods because of this, often

> times develop a high histamine level. My son develops a runny nose

> as a reaction to this problem. Benadryl helps my son with this, and

> anything else that lowers histamine would help him, also. I think

> the Feingold Diet, No-Fenol, or avoiding certain phenolic and high

> salicylate foods may help the sulfation problem and subsequently

> lower the high histamine level. Benadryl and Pepcid AC are

histamine

> blockers. This might explain why Pepcid AC is so effective on some

> kids. A few parents have reported that a histamine reaction with

> certain foods did not happen when No-Fenol was given with those

> foods.

>

> Q: What amount of B6 is considered " high " ?

> A: From the site http://www.methylmagic.com/faq.html

> Some supplements have lots of B6 (e.g. 100mg) and the author

usually

> aims for between 20 and 50mg per day of B6. Excess niacin (B3) is

> metabolized by methylation and thus uses up methyl groups. Also aim

> for 50 mg or less. These values are likely for an adult so a child

> needs much less.