Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: How to get off lipitor? - re Rant

[Guest guest]

Except it is not a restaurant. It is something more personal. Trust is

involved. It is a betrayal on an emotional and personal level.

When a doctor tells a patient something like this the patient can never

believe the doctor again on a trust level. Is he/she really advising me

what is in my best interest? Once that trust is broken it's over. It isn't

so easy to go to another doctor with broken trust. All doctors from then on

out are under suspicion.

Broken trust with a restaurant means you eat down the street. Broken trust

with the doctor means a loss of trust which can take a life time to repair;

if ever.

I really feel that the prostitution analogy is better suited for the type of

bed side manner he spoke to me in. The 'doctor' being between the pimp and

the drug pusher. With this analogy there is no talk about things being

'morally right'; or 'respect' or 'trust' and they certainly don¹t have to

'care about you as a person' or 'worry about the outcome'.

On 8/18/04 2:34 PM, " ceda " ceda > wrote:

>

> Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: How to get off lipitor? - re Rant

>

> Well, I like the restaurant analogy as a descriptor of the state of affairs

> in medicine. At least the doc was honest about it. Most of the time they

> simply don't tell the patient when they are withholding treatment options

> because of insurance issues. Patients put their trust in the doctors and

> don't even know when they are being lied to about their treatment options.

> Tragic! I am really sorry you had to hear this analogy in the context you

> did, but at least now you are armed with a hefty dose of truth when it comes

> to the medical profession.

>

> I posted this once before, but I will share it again. My friend's daughter

> is a medical student. Her son is studying to be an accountant. The

> daughter told the son and then told her mom in my presence that her

> professor told them why doctors make more money than accountants.

> Accountants bill by the hour - they are limited to 24 hours in a day,

> therefore they will never make more money than their hourly rate times the

> number of hours they work. A doctor bills by procedure. There is no limit

> on procedures - you can pack them in tighter and tighter all day long and

> make more money. THIS, in my opinion, is just one reason that we are

> getting less and less time with our doctors. They are too busy cramming as

> much in as possible to get more money. And then there are the denial of

> service incentives from the HMOs that just make me sick.

>

> Okay, must stop writing before my blood pressure skyrockets. This topic

> just makes me so mad!

>

> -Barb

[Guest guest]

Except it is not a restaurant. It is something more personal. Trust is

involved. It is a betrayal on an emotional and personal level.

When a doctor tells a patient something like this the patient can never

believe the doctor again on a trust level. Is he/she really advising me

what is in my best interest? Once that trust is broken it's over. It isn't

so easy to go to another doctor with broken trust. All doctors from then on

out are under suspicion.

Broken trust with a restaurant means you eat down the street. Broken trust

with the doctor means a loss of trust which can take a life time to repair;

if ever.

I really feel that the prostitution analogy is better suited for the type of

bed side manner he spoke to me in. The 'doctor' being between the pimp and

the drug pusher. With this analogy there is no talk about things being

'morally right'; or 'respect' or 'trust' and they certainly don¹t have to

'care about you as a person' or 'worry about the outcome'.

On 8/18/04 2:34 PM, " ceda " ceda > wrote:

>

> Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: How to get off lipitor? - re Rant

>

> Well, I like the restaurant analogy as a descriptor of the state of affairs

> in medicine. At least the doc was honest about it. Most of the time they

> simply don't tell the patient when they are withholding treatment options

> because of insurance issues. Patients put their trust in the doctors and

> don't even know when they are being lied to about their treatment options.

> Tragic! I am really sorry you had to hear this analogy in the context you

> did, but at least now you are armed with a hefty dose of truth when it comes

> to the medical profession.

>

> I posted this once before, but I will share it again. My friend's daughter

> is a medical student. Her son is studying to be an accountant. The

> daughter told the son and then told her mom in my presence that her

> professor told them why doctors make more money than accountants.

> Accountants bill by the hour - they are limited to 24 hours in a day,

> therefore they will never make more money than their hourly rate times the

> number of hours they work. A doctor bills by procedure. There is no limit

> on procedures - you can pack them in tighter and tighter all day long and

> make more money. THIS, in my opinion, is just one reason that we are

> getting less and less time with our doctors. They are too busy cramming as

> much in as possible to get more money. And then there are the denial of

> service incentives from the HMOs that just make me sick.

>

> Okay, must stop writing before my blood pressure skyrockets. This topic

> just makes me so mad!

>

> -Barb

[Guest guest]

sure are right abut how about how a person is treated. my neighbor went to a

surgeon to be evaluated for possible surgery. She (thought) she had

insurance-but the company forgot to list her under her hus. policy. once the doc

noticed the chart said " self pay " she started getting the rub around from

him.....then two weeks later when it's all straightened out, and he learns she

now has it, it's an entirely different attitude....and now it's all sorts of

treatment that isn't even necessary!!!!

no way does she trust him now. She is thinking of going to my surgeon because

she feels she can trust him, because he's been upfront with me. but other s

she's really leery about...how can any dr. be trusted after the kind of

experience you had?

I like the pimp analogy.

cindyh

wisc.

[Guest guest]

sure are right abut how about how a person is treated. my neighbor went to a

surgeon to be evaluated for possible surgery. She (thought) she had

insurance-but the company forgot to list her under her hus. policy. once the doc

noticed the chart said " self pay " she started getting the rub around from

him.....then two weeks later when it's all straightened out, and he learns she

now has it, it's an entirely different attitude....and now it's all sorts of

treatment that isn't even necessary!!!!

no way does she trust him now. She is thinking of going to my surgeon because

she feels she can trust him, because he's been upfront with me. but other s

she's really leery about...how can any dr. be trusted after the kind of

experience you had?

I like the pimp analogy.

cindyh

wisc.

[Guest guest]

sure are right abut how about how a person is treated. my neighbor went to a

surgeon to be evaluated for possible surgery. She (thought) she had

insurance-but the company forgot to list her under her hus. policy. once the doc

noticed the chart said " self pay " she started getting the rub around from

him.....then two weeks later when it's all straightened out, and he learns she

now has it, it's an entirely different attitude....and now it's all sorts of

treatment that isn't even necessary!!!!

no way does she trust him now. She is thinking of going to my surgeon because

she feels she can trust him, because he's been upfront with me. but other s

she's really leery about...how can any dr. be trusted after the kind of

experience you had?

I like the pimp analogy.

cindyh

wisc.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/20/2004 9:53:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, mike@...

writes:

sure are right abut how about how a person is treated...how can any

dr. be trusted after the kind of experience you had? I like the pimp

analogy.

cindyh

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And this coming from an RN.

RN's do know who to trust and who do pass on. I've a client who's an RN, who

gave me the names of the best GP and the best orthopedic surgeon I've ever

had. Her husband had cancer....and they went with alternative practitioners.

Even their vet is a holistic one.

If anyone reads Reader's Digest, there's an article back in June on

terrible doctors....the one mentioned from California I petsit for. His pets

don't

fare much better than his patients unless I'm there looking after them. His

attitude towards people in general is horrendous...he's out for $$$ and even

with his record, he earns a bundle of it. I know there's doctors who do

care....but the ones I know admit its hard not to burn out fighting all the

battles

with insurance and administration.

Liza