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Hi Alan

I just came back from 2 weeks physiotherapy (3 hours a day, 6 days a week). At

the start I got examined by a physiotherapy doctor (a doctor who having

completed 6 years medical studies then specialised for 2 years in medical

physiotherapy; in the clinic where she practices she has a number of

degree-holding physiotherapists who are not physicians/doctors but have

graduated after a 4-year study at the Faculty of Physiotherapy) who wrote her

finds and diagnosis where she mentions among other things the following (this is

my translation into English):

“When standing on his left leg pos. (presumably abbreviation for

‘position’) Trendelnburg’s sign (presumably meaning ‘observed

Trendelnburg’s sign or as you refer to it as gait).â€

When I had to leave that place I was examined again by the same specialist who

wrote another report detailing progress made during the 2 weeks of

physiotherapy. There was again a comment which I translated as:

“When standing on left leg still pos. Trendelenburg’s sign.†Indicating no

change/improvement in that aspect.

In the initial report she also mentioned the following:

“During today’s examination walk with a slight left leg limp (that’s my

operated leg)and a pronounced Duchenn’s sign (maybe I should translate this as

gait).â€

The final report has the following observation:

“At today’s examination left leg limp has been reduced, with a less

observable Duchenn’s sign/gait.â€

I don’t know what Trendelenburg and Duchenn sign/gait/syndrome are but intend

to find out and will post when I do. I did become aware, now that I have nearly

completely lost the limp despite my left leg being 8mm shorter, that I cannot

convince myself to stand upright resting on my left leg while my right leg is

loosely stretched out. I always rest with my right leg straight and upright. I

would have thought that the opposite should be my body’s natural preference

given that the left leg is 8mm shorter (1/3 of an inch) thus making it more

natural for the longer right leg to be slightly forward. But, I guess it has a

lot to do with muscles and tendons strength and flexibility as well as their

‘memory’ as I must have been using my ‘good’ leg as a support ‘pole’

when standing upright for a number of years without thinking about it or being

aware of that fact.

Regards

Dan

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From: Alan Ray

Sent: 28 April 2004 01:47

To: surfacehippy

Subject: Trendelenberg

Yo, Hippies...

Has any among you gone into resurf with a condition called

Trendelenberg gait? Does resurf help or matter in eliminating it?

Thanks...

Alan

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> Yo, Hippies...

>

> Has any among you gone into resurf with a condition called

> Trendelenberg gait? Does resurf help or matter in eliminating it?

If my understanding of what the " sign of Trendelenberg " is is correct

( " adductor lurch " , a sort of waddling gait often found in folks with

hip arthritis), then I'd bet that nearly all of us did. I'm only

a week out, but most people seem to return to normal gait post resurf

(although many of us seem to need some retraining to break the habit).

Since I'm not a doc, I may be way off-base on this of course.

Steve (bilateral C+, 4/20/04, Amstutz)

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Hi Alan

I spoke today with my OS and he demonstrated to me the Trendelenburg position

and explained the mechanics of it. I then checked it up – see below the most

succinct and simple explanation:

Trendelenburg's symptom

Also known as:

Duchenne-Trendelenburg phenomenon

Trendelenburg’s test

Associated persons:

Guillaume http://www.whonamedit.com/doctor.cfm/950.html> Amand

Duchenne de Boulogne

Friedrich Trendelenburg http://www.whonamedit.com/doctor.cfm/976.html>

Description:

Sign of congenital dislocation of the hip joint. Clinical sign in static

insufficiency of the gluteal muscles, for instance as a result of luxation of

the hip joint.

If the child stands on the leg on the affected side, pelvis is tilted down

towards the sound side and the buttock sags down. Normally the pelvis tilts

upwards and the buttock therefore rises. The body will attempt to restore

equilibrium and gait in shifting the upper part of the body to the loaded side.

In double-sided luxation of the hip joint the upper part of the body is

therefore swaying from side to side.

This sign is also seen in late Perthes disease (osteochondropathia deformans

coxae juvenilis), infantile paralysis of the gluteal muscles, old fractures in

the neck of the femur and advanced osteo-arthritis.

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From: Alan Ray

Sent: 28 April 2004 01:47

To: surfacehippy

Subject: Trendelenberg

Yo, Hippies...

Has any among you gone into resurf with a condition called

Trendelenberg gait? Does resurf help or matter in eliminating it?

Thanks...

Alan

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Hi Alan

See the following explanation for the Trendelenburg Gait (if you surf the net

make sure you spell it with “u†as “burg†not “bergâ€):

TRENDELENBURG GAIT

* What is a Trendelenburg gait

(also called a gluteus medius lurch or an abductor lurch)?

A Trendelenburg gait is seen in patients with poorly functioning hip abductors.

The causes of this have already been discussed under " Trendelenburg test " .

Because of inadequate pelvic abductor function, the patient with a Trendelenburg

gait tends to fall to the opposite side when in the stance phase on the affected

side (the opposite hip sags down). To prevent himself from falling the patient

shifts his centre of gravity towards the affected side by throwing his trunk and

head in that direction. The result is a gait with a lateral lurch towards the

affected side, the lurch occurring when in the stance phase on the affected side

(fig.

http://www.echo.uqam.ca/mednet/anglais/hermes_a/hip/part_2.html#Fig143#Fig143>

143).

If the patient has bilateral abductor dysfunction, as may occur with bilateral

congenital hip dislocation or in muscular dystrophy, the lateral lurching will

be bilateral. This is often referred to as a " waddle gait " (as in waddling

ducks).

By the way check this link as it has very simple and self-explanatory drawings

of the body positions in various gaits (these appear further down after the

Trendelenburg Test explanation:

http://www.echo.uqam.ca/mednet/anglais/hermes_a/hip/part_2.html#Answer_06_01

Hope this is of use to you.

Regards

Dan

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From: Alan Ray

Sent: 28 April 2004 01:47

To: surfacehippy

Subject: Trendelenberg

Yo, Hippies...

Has any among you gone into resurf with a condition called

Trendelenberg gait? Does resurf help or matter in eliminating it?

Thanks...

Alan

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Hi Alan

One more reference about Trendelenburg Gait:

Abductor lurch or Trendelenburg gait is observed with hip disease. The trunk

swings over the affected leg on the ground (stance phase). If the condition is

bilateral, the trunk swings from side to side. The cause is weakness of the hip

abductors (eg, gluteus medius) responsible for keeping the pelvis level during

the swing phase. It may become weak if the hip is chronically affected. A child

with Legg-Calve-Perthes disease or a slipped capital femoral epiphysis may

present with this type gait, particularly if the condition has been chronic.

Regards

Dan

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From: Alan Ray

Sent: 28 April 2004 01:47

To: surfacehippy

Subject: Trendelenberg

Yo, Hippies...

Has any among you gone into resurf with a condition called

Trendelenberg gait? Does resurf help or matter in eliminating it?

Thanks...

Alan

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> Hi Alan

>

> One more reference about Trendelenburg Gait:

>

> Abductor lurch or Trendelenburg gait is observed with hip disease.

The trunk swings over the affected leg on the ground (stance phase).

If the condition is bilateral, the trunk swings from side to side.

The cause is weakness of the hip abductors (eg, gluteus medius)

responsible for keeping the pelvis level during the swing phase.

***Dan...

Thanks... There truly are times when the obvious takes a bit longer

to figure out. My sports med doc misspelled Trendelburg on the

diagnostic notes he gave me. The descriptions you found for

mechanics and cause give me even a bit more encouragement. My hip

problem (until about a month ago) had always been in flexors and

glutes. I never had pain in the joint itself, always in the glutes

and outer quad along the IT band. It happened when I started to

swing at a handball shot with the left hand, planted the left foot,

swung through to send the ball to the right front corner...and the

left footed locked in some water on the wood court floor. My whole

body...except for the left foot torqued with considerable force about

110 to the right. The flexors snapped. I've been left with chronic

weakness and swelling in the flexors and the abductor.

A second " read " of my x-rays by a physical therapist and sports

trainer suggest some OA, and some accretion of bone mass in the areas

where flexors attach to the acetabulum and trochanter. But they he

didn't see " end-stage " OA.

I'm in for a consultation with Dr. Amstutz in LA on Monday. I'm

going to hold hope that, as much as he knows about hips, he may be a

less severe solution for mine than resurfacing or THR.

Thanks for your research...and for recognizing the obvious when I

didn't

All the best..

Alan

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> Hi Alan

>

> One more reference about Trendelenburg Gait:

>

> Abductor lurch or Trendelenburg gait is observed with hip disease.

The trunk swings over the affected leg on the ground (stance phase).

If the condition is bilateral, the trunk swings from side to side.

The cause is weakness of the hip abductors (eg, gluteus medius)

responsible for keeping the pelvis level during the swing phase.

***Dan...

Thanks... There truly are times when the obvious takes a bit longer

to figure out. My sports med doc misspelled Trendelburg on the

diagnostic notes he gave me. The descriptions you found for

mechanics and cause give me even a bit more encouragement. My hip

problem (until about a month ago) had always been in flexors and

glutes. I never had pain in the joint itself, always in the glutes

and outer quad along the IT band. It happened when I started to

swing at a handball shot with the left hand, planted the left foot,

swung through to send the ball to the right front corner...and the

left footed locked in some water on the wood court floor. My whole

body...except for the left foot torqued with considerable force about

110 to the right. The flexors snapped. I've been left with chronic

weakness and swelling in the flexors and the abductor.

A second " read " of my x-rays by a physical therapist and sports

trainer suggest some OA, and some accretion of bone mass in the areas

where flexors attach to the acetabulum and trochanter. But they he

didn't see " end-stage " OA.

I'm in for a consultation with Dr. Amstutz in LA on Monday. I'm

going to hold hope that, as much as he knows about hips, he may be a

less severe solution for mine than resurfacing or THR.

Thanks for your research...and for recognizing the obvious when I

didn't

All the best..

Alan

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Hi Alan,

That sounds like a very nasty accident indeed......... Sadly once the

support structure of the hip gets damaged/is lacking for any reason it seems

that the result is friction between the bones and arthritis follows at some

point............... Lets hope you are still back at the stage where

something more can be done for the support muscles to take the pressure off

the joint itself............and therefore the need for any form of

prothesis.............

I still have that gait after a resurface because I had no muscles left

working after years of a fused hip........... so just the prothesis alone

will not make the gait go away...........and will still leave potential

hassles with the spine.......... which also takes great exception to being

used this way...........

Best of luck,

Edith LBHR Dr. L Walter Syd Aust 8/02

> ***Dan...

> Thanks... There truly are times when the obvious takes a bit longer

> to figure out. My sports med doc misspelled Trendelburg on the

> diagnostic notes he gave me. The descriptions you found for

> mechanics and cause give me even a bit more encouragement. My hip

> problem (until about a month ago) had always been in flexors and

> glutes. I never had pain in the joint itself, always in the glutes

> and outer quad along the IT band. It happened when I started to

> swing at a handball shot with the left hand, planted the left foot,

> swung through to send the ball to the right front corner...and the

> left footed locked in some water on the wood court floor. My whole

> body...except for the left foot torqued with considerable force about

> 110 to the right. The flexors snapped. I've been left with chronic

> weakness and swelling in the flexors and the abductor.

>

> A second " read " of my x-rays by a physical therapist and sports

> trainer suggest some OA, and some accretion of bone mass in the areas

> where flexors attach to the acetabulum and trochanter. But they he

> didn't see " end-stage " OA.

>

> I'm in for a consultation with Dr. Amstutz in LA on Monday. I'm

> going to hold hope that, as much as he knows about hips, he may be a

> less severe solution for mine than resurfacing or THR.

>

> Thanks for your research...and for recognizing the obvious when I

> didn't

>

> All the best..

> Alan

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Edith...

It was a pretty nasty turn. Actually the I-T band snapped over the

trochanter and back into place. They told me at first that I'd never

play handball again. Proved 'em wrong for almost 8 years. Now...I'd

like to do it again.

I have the advantage of being a gym-rat... Three days a week in the

weightroom...three days of handball (up until about a month ago; now,

on what would have been the handball days, I ride the Stairmaster for

20 to 30 minutes (though sometimes the pain makes me stop at ten

minutes.)

I'm hoping Dr. Amstutz would be willing to tell me that I don't need

more than arthoscopy...if that's the case. I get concerned at times

that surgeons get so wedded to their procedures that they can't admit

when they're not needed. We shall see.

Monday's the consultation day.

I'll be in touch.

Alan

-- In surfacehippy , " ecrow " wrote:

> Hi Alan,

>

> That sounds like a very nasty accident indeed......... Sadly once

the

> support structure of the hip gets damaged/is lacking for any reason

it seems

> that the result is friction between the bones and arthritis follows

at some

> point............... Lets hope you are still back at the stage

where

> something more can be done for the support muscles to take the

pressure off

> the joint itself............and therefore the need for any form of

> prothesis.............

>

> I still have that gait after a resurface because I had no muscles

left

> working after years of a fused hip........... so just the prothesis

alone

> will not make the gait go away...........and will still leave

potential

> hassles with the spine.......... which also takes great exception

to being

> used this way...........

>

> Best of luck,

>

> Edith LBHR Dr. L Walter Syd Aust 8/02

>

>

> > ***Dan...

> > Thanks... There truly are times when the obvious takes a bit

longer

> > to figure out. My sports med doc misspelled Trendelburg on the

> > diagnostic notes he gave me. The descriptions you found for

> > mechanics and cause give me even a bit more encouragement. My hip

> > problem (until about a month ago) had always been in flexors and

> > glutes. I never had pain in the joint itself, always in the

glutes

> > and outer quad along the IT band. It happened when I started to

> > swing at a handball shot with the left hand, planted the left

foot,

> > swung through to send the ball to the right front corner...and the

> > left footed locked in some water on the wood court floor. My

whole

> > body...except for the left foot torqued with considerable force

about

> > 110 to the right. The flexors snapped. I've been left with

chronic

> > weakness and swelling in the flexors and the abductor.

> >

> > A second " read " of my x-rays by a physical therapist and sports

> > trainer suggest some OA, and some accretion of bone mass in the

areas

> > where flexors attach to the acetabulum and trochanter. But they

he

> > didn't see " end-stage " OA.

> >

> > I'm in for a consultation with Dr. Amstutz in LA on Monday. I'm

> > going to hold hope that, as much as he knows about hips, he may

be a

> > less severe solution for mine than resurfacing or THR.

> >

> > Thanks for your research...and for recognizing the obvious when I

> > didn't

> >

> > All the best..

> > Alan

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