Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 Hi Greg, Back several months ago laid out wonderful well a lot about the business of cement under the femoral cap......... you may like to go find it in his words............Actually I guess we should have some of these gems in a special place.......... or we may do and I don't realise that........... There is one version I think Corin make without cement but not too many seem to have tried it............ As I understand it, it has a bit to do with how long it would take you to ever get walking on it again without cement....... And the fact that it seems that the cement issue was a furphy, that doctors later found it was the bits of plastic rather than cement that was causing the hassles that they were finding and initially attributing to cement.......... Then with the Resurface it isn't the cement that causes the loosening in general........ if they come loose it is the bone dying under the cap for one reason or another and fractures at time of operation seems to be what is turning up here in Australia as No 1 culprit for that.......i.e. surgeons with heavy hands behind hammers........... In general the cement coming loose is a THR problem and the whole thing is quite different because the stress is on the fixing cement within the shaft of the bone with that prothesis.......... i.e. that prothesis requires that either the bone grows solid around that metal shaft or you fill up the femur marrow area with cement............the stress of the use of the joint happens in that area so it is under constant stress............... In a Resurface the cement is smeared over what's left of the femur head, thereby filling cevises and helping bonding and there simply isn't the same role played when it comes to stress and holding for the hip swings on the ball as it does normally and the stress loading goes down into the natural femur bone left ............. with emphasis on that's how I understand it......... but you can work it out yourself by thinking about how your hip bones/joints actually work and what is removed in each op....... Edith LBHR Dr. L Walter Syd Aust 8/02 > Thanks for your responses. June, it sounds like we are getting the same reaction from people about a trip to Belgium. Everybody thinks I am making a HUGE mistake to leave a country that has the best that medical technology can offer to go to Belgium. I don't know what they do differently, or the same, in Belgium. > > When I went to Dr. De Smet's website, under the education icon, only a blank screen came up. I wasn't accusing him of not being qualified, but I just couldn't find out what his educational background was. > > On a seperate question: Do any of you know why cement is used for the femoral cap? The acetabular cap is press-fit in the devices I've been researching, but they all use cement on the femoral side. I thought that the cement was one of the long-term problems they were trying to get away from, b/c loosening seemed to occur at the site of the cemented area. Thanks for your input. > > Greg > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 Hi Greg, Back several months ago laid out wonderful well a lot about the business of cement under the femoral cap......... you may like to go find it in his words............Actually I guess we should have some of these gems in a special place.......... or we may do and I don't realise that........... There is one version I think Corin make without cement but not too many seem to have tried it............ As I understand it, it has a bit to do with how long it would take you to ever get walking on it again without cement....... And the fact that it seems that the cement issue was a furphy, that doctors later found it was the bits of plastic rather than cement that was causing the hassles that they were finding and initially attributing to cement.......... Then with the Resurface it isn't the cement that causes the loosening in general........ if they come loose it is the bone dying under the cap for one reason or another and fractures at time of operation seems to be what is turning up here in Australia as No 1 culprit for that.......i.e. surgeons with heavy hands behind hammers........... In general the cement coming loose is a THR problem and the whole thing is quite different because the stress is on the fixing cement within the shaft of the bone with that prothesis.......... i.e. that prothesis requires that either the bone grows solid around that metal shaft or you fill up the femur marrow area with cement............the stress of the use of the joint happens in that area so it is under constant stress............... In a Resurface the cement is smeared over what's left of the femur head, thereby filling cevises and helping bonding and there simply isn't the same role played when it comes to stress and holding for the hip swings on the ball as it does normally and the stress loading goes down into the natural femur bone left ............. with emphasis on that's how I understand it......... but you can work it out yourself by thinking about how your hip bones/joints actually work and what is removed in each op....... Edith LBHR Dr. L Walter Syd Aust 8/02 > Thanks for your responses. June, it sounds like we are getting the same reaction from people about a trip to Belgium. Everybody thinks I am making a HUGE mistake to leave a country that has the best that medical technology can offer to go to Belgium. I don't know what they do differently, or the same, in Belgium. > > When I went to Dr. De Smet's website, under the education icon, only a blank screen came up. I wasn't accusing him of not being qualified, but I just couldn't find out what his educational background was. > > On a seperate question: Do any of you know why cement is used for the femoral cap? The acetabular cap is press-fit in the devices I've been researching, but they all use cement on the femoral side. I thought that the cement was one of the long-term problems they were trying to get away from, b/c loosening seemed to occur at the site of the cemented area. Thanks for your input. > > Greg > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 Hi Greg, Back several months ago laid out wonderful well a lot about the business of cement under the femoral cap......... you may like to go find it in his words............Actually I guess we should have some of these gems in a special place.......... or we may do and I don't realise that........... There is one version I think Corin make without cement but not too many seem to have tried it............ As I understand it, it has a bit to do with how long it would take you to ever get walking on it again without cement....... And the fact that it seems that the cement issue was a furphy, that doctors later found it was the bits of plastic rather than cement that was causing the hassles that they were finding and initially attributing to cement.......... Then with the Resurface it isn't the cement that causes the loosening in general........ if they come loose it is the bone dying under the cap for one reason or another and fractures at time of operation seems to be what is turning up here in Australia as No 1 culprit for that.......i.e. surgeons with heavy hands behind hammers........... In general the cement coming loose is a THR problem and the whole thing is quite different because the stress is on the fixing cement within the shaft of the bone with that prothesis.......... i.e. that prothesis requires that either the bone grows solid around that metal shaft or you fill up the femur marrow area with cement............the stress of the use of the joint happens in that area so it is under constant stress............... In a Resurface the cement is smeared over what's left of the femur head, thereby filling cevises and helping bonding and there simply isn't the same role played when it comes to stress and holding for the hip swings on the ball as it does normally and the stress loading goes down into the natural femur bone left ............. with emphasis on that's how I understand it......... but you can work it out yourself by thinking about how your hip bones/joints actually work and what is removed in each op....... Edith LBHR Dr. L Walter Syd Aust 8/02 > Thanks for your responses. June, it sounds like we are getting the same reaction from people about a trip to Belgium. Everybody thinks I am making a HUGE mistake to leave a country that has the best that medical technology can offer to go to Belgium. I don't know what they do differently, or the same, in Belgium. > > When I went to Dr. De Smet's website, under the education icon, only a blank screen came up. I wasn't accusing him of not being qualified, but I just couldn't find out what his educational background was. > > On a seperate question: Do any of you know why cement is used for the femoral cap? The acetabular cap is press-fit in the devices I've been researching, but they all use cement on the femoral side. I thought that the cement was one of the long-term problems they were trying to get away from, b/c loosening seemed to occur at the site of the cemented area. Thanks for your input. > > Greg > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 I love it! Jude Re:RE: Re: Anybody speak " Belgium-ese? " Going to see Koen the Barbarian, ehh? :-) > Yes, I found this very funny. When I told people that I was going to > Belgium for surgery, they just couldn't believe I would leave the " the most > advanced medical system in the world " to have surgery in a foreign country. > It was as if Europe was still in the middle ages and a barber was going to > do the operation... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 I love it! Jude Re:RE: Re: Anybody speak " Belgium-ese? " Going to see Koen the Barbarian, ehh? :-) > Yes, I found this very funny. When I told people that I was going to > Belgium for surgery, they just couldn't believe I would leave the " the most > advanced medical system in the world " to have surgery in a foreign country. > It was as if Europe was still in the middle ages and a barber was going to > do the operation... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 Koen would love this too - tell him when you get there. Sharry Re:RE: Re: Anybody speak " Belgium-ese? " Going to see Koen the Barbarian, ehh? :-) > Yes, I found this very funny. When I told people that I was going to > Belgium for surgery, they just couldn't believe I would leave the " the most > advanced medical system in the world " to have surgery in a foreign country. > It was as if Europe was still in the middle ages and a barber was going to > do the operation... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 Hi Greg, Oh I would think that the guys who are into Resurface are the OS's who investigate anything that new and looks like it may be an improvement for their patients.............so if something like that is around he will have a look.........smile. Last time I saw mine he was speculating on how long it would be before there was a plastic version......... I just think it is the nature of them, rather like we thinking about or look at things to do with other aspects of our lives........... Edith LBHR Dr. L Walter Syd Aust 8/02 > Thanks for the information. That's exactly what I was curious about. I was talking with Dr. Gross's nurse yesterday and she said that Dr. Gross is currently looking into a cementless resurfacing device which should be completed in a couple of months. The information you gave me sounds very satisfying to me, so I wonder why he is spending the time to look into cementless...hmmm. Thanks again for the reply. > Greg > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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