Guest guest Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 hello all- I'm considering HR and I'm hearing conflicting info on the (possible) effects of the metal ions in the body for many years from MOM. Your response would be helpful. Thanks. elizabeth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 Hi , We do the rounds of metal ions about once every month here............. In the end it comes down to someone actually finding some real evidence other than speculation.......... MOM has been used for many a long year, people have worked in foundaries for many a long year and noone can produce any form of real evidence.......... My OS has undertaken some studies and says that we are at about the same risk as foundry workers........... Personally when I consider all the other contaminants in my life and how I was dying - my skin had even turned yellow - when I got my Resurface I cannot really be bothered with considering what ions may do to me.......... I do know that since the resurface all my friends and relatives etc have marvelled at my how much younger and healthier I now look and that my skin is now back to normal colour.............. So I figure ions have to be pretty good for me........ Edith LBHR Dr. L Walter Syd Aust. 8/02 > hello all- > I'm considering HR and I'm hearing conflicting info on the (possible) effects of the metal ions in the body for many years from MOM. > Your response would be helpful. Thanks. > elizabeth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 Hi , We do the rounds of metal ions about once every month here............. In the end it comes down to someone actually finding some real evidence other than speculation.......... MOM has been used for many a long year, people have worked in foundaries for many a long year and noone can produce any form of real evidence.......... My OS has undertaken some studies and says that we are at about the same risk as foundry workers........... Personally when I consider all the other contaminants in my life and how I was dying - my skin had even turned yellow - when I got my Resurface I cannot really be bothered with considering what ions may do to me.......... I do know that since the resurface all my friends and relatives etc have marvelled at my how much younger and healthier I now look and that my skin is now back to normal colour.............. So I figure ions have to be pretty good for me........ Edith LBHR Dr. L Walter Syd Aust. 8/02 > hello all- > I'm considering HR and I'm hearing conflicting info on the (possible) effects of the metal ions in the body for many years from MOM. > Your response would be helpful. Thanks. > elizabeth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 Hi , We do the rounds of metal ions about once every month here............. In the end it comes down to someone actually finding some real evidence other than speculation.......... MOM has been used for many a long year, people have worked in foundaries for many a long year and noone can produce any form of real evidence.......... My OS has undertaken some studies and says that we are at about the same risk as foundry workers........... Personally when I consider all the other contaminants in my life and how I was dying - my skin had even turned yellow - when I got my Resurface I cannot really be bothered with considering what ions may do to me.......... I do know that since the resurface all my friends and relatives etc have marvelled at my how much younger and healthier I now look and that my skin is now back to normal colour.............. So I figure ions have to be pretty good for me........ Edith LBHR Dr. L Walter Syd Aust. 8/02 > hello all- > I'm considering HR and I'm hearing conflicting info on the (possible) effects of the metal ions in the body for many years from MOM. > Your response would be helpful. Thanks. > elizabeth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 Hey hippy kids, Call me a cynic (many people have). But... I keep reading and hearing about " metal ions " ...and a few things come to mind. First, when I talked to my sports med doc, who insisted that I wasn't a candidate for resurfacing (apparently, if the truth be told, because he doesn't do it), his line to me was " the oncological implications of longterm internal exposure to metal ions is a concern " . Golly, as Gomer Pyle used to say. Long term exposure to life has uncertain oncological implications. Let me try it another way for you all. I'll be 55 in about a month. I quit smoking, in 1985, after blowing three to four packs a day for most of 23 years. When I quit, I told my daughter (who was 7 then) that it didn't mean Daddy was going to live any longer. It only meant that whatever time he had left would be better time. Do the personal math on this one. If there's metal ion exposure...and if it may cause cancer... SO WHAT! In truth, life causes cancer. The reason more people are dying of cancer now is that they're living long enough to get it. My point, simply: Would you trade quality of life for duration of life? Since, it seems, once our hips have gone this far south, maybe we can't have both. I'll take a few metal ions over ten (or 20 or 30) years as a fair trade for a life I can live the way I choose, doing the things I love with the people I care about. And when it's time... and the bus hits me and kills me on my way out from the 20 year (FDA-mandated " investigational " ) check-up that shows my resurf was in perfect condition...what, my resurfing friends, have I lost...but my fear? Life is a continuing series of trades. Alan > Hi , > > We do the rounds of metal ions about once every month here............. In > the end it comes down to someone actually finding some real evidence other > than speculation.......... MOM has been used for many a long year, people > have worked in foundaries for many a long year and noone can produce any > form of real evidence.......... My OS has undertaken some studies and says > that we are at about the same risk as foundry workers........... > > Personally when I consider all the other contaminants in my life and how I > was dying - my skin had even turned yellow - when I got my Resurface I > cannot really be bothered with considering what ions may do to me.......... > I do know that since the resurface all my friends and relatives etc have > marvelled at my how much younger and healthier I now look and that my skin > is now back to normal colour.............. So I figure ions have to be > pretty good for me........ > > Edith LBHR Dr. L Walter Syd Aust. 8/02 > > > hello all- > > I'm considering HR and I'm hearing conflicting info on the (possible) > effects of the metal ions in the body for many years from MOM. > > Your response would be helpful. Thanks. > > elizabeth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 Dear Alan and Edith, I agree with the two of you. My quality of life was so bad before surgery that I was willing to risk the debatable possible risks down the road. If you read much in medical literature, I (and most everyone) have so many risks for so many possible things down the road; to me, this was no bigger risk. Susie > > Hi , > > > > We do the rounds of metal ions about once every month > here............. In > > the end it comes down to someone actually finding some real > evidence other > > than speculation.......... MOM has been used for many a long year, > people > > have worked in foundaries for many a long year and noone can > produce any > > form of real evidence.......... My OS has undertaken some studies > and says > > that we are at about the same risk as foundry workers........... > > > > Personally when I consider all the other contaminants in my life > and how I > > was dying - my skin had even turned yellow - when I got my > Resurface I > > cannot really be bothered with considering what ions may do to > me.......... > > I do know that since the resurface all my friends and relatives etc > have > > marvelled at my how much younger and healthier I now look and that > my skin > > is now back to normal colour.............. So I figure ions have to > be > > pretty good for me........ > > > > Edith LBHR Dr. L Walter Syd Aust. 8/02 > > > > > hello all- > > > I'm considering HR and I'm hearing conflicting info on the > (possible) > > effects of the metal ions in the body for many years from MOM. > > > Your response would be helpful. Thanks. > > > elizabeth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 GOD I just love readin' your posts, Alan! Some may think a bit too ... DIRECT? I LOVE IT! In surfacehippy , " Alan Ray " wrote: > Hey hippy kids, > > Call me a cynic (many people have). But... I keep reading and > hearing about " metal ions " ...and a few things come to mind. First, > when I talked to my sports med doc, who insisted that I wasn't a > candidate for resurfacing (apparently, if the truth be told, because > he doesn't do it), his line to me was " the oncological implications > of longterm internal exposure to metal ions is a concern " . Golly, as > Gomer Pyle used to say. Long term exposure to life has uncertain > oncological implications. > > Let me try it another way for you all. I'll be 55 in about a month. > I quit smoking, in 1985, after blowing three to four packs a day for > most of 23 years. When I quit, I told my daughter (who was 7 then) > that it didn't mean Daddy was going to live any longer. It only > meant that whatever time he had left would be better time. > > Do the personal math on this one. If there's metal ion > exposure...and if it may cause cancer... SO WHAT! In truth, life > causes cancer. The reason more people are dying of cancer now is > that they're living long enough to get it. My point, simply: Would > you trade quality of life for duration of life? Since, it seems, > once our hips have gone this far south, maybe we can't have both. > I'll take a few metal ions over ten (or 20 or 30) years as a fair > trade for a life I can live the way I choose, doing the things I love > with the people I care about. > > And when it's time... and the bus hits me and kills me on my way out > from the 20 year (FDA-mandated " investigational " ) check-up that shows > my resurf was in perfect condition...what, my resurfing friends, have > I lost...but my fear? Life is a continuing series of trades. > > Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 > I just found this wonderful forum and have spent the last few nights > reading all the old messages. Many people have brought up the concern > about metal ions. Why would the metal in a THR stem and acetabular > component not cause the same problem. Seems to me that may be a negative > for both procedures which would possibly affect the decision whether or not > to have surgery at all, but I don't get the difference between the THR and > resurfacing. Enlightenment please... Cindy, First to directly answer your question, the resurfacing should be no different than a large head metal-on-metal THR. The metal-on-metal articulation will lead to more ions in the blood than others because the pieces are rubbing against each other versus the stem which is stationary, and eventually completely integrated in the bone. Of course this is compared to the firmly established risk of osteolysis that arises from plastic debris. The risk question is very complicated and what I have read there is no evidence to date that there is any increased overall risk with the slightly elevated ion levels expected in hip patients. There is one study that showed an increased risk of leukema but it was NOT statistically significant (the variation in the numbers was within the range that is expected by random variations in other factors), and other forms of cancer actually decreased (the naysayers never mention that). In any event, I have summarized what I have read on this and put it on the web here: http://www.activejoints.com/MetalDef.pdf The document contains a suggestion for helping the system in the natural process of regulating the ion levels (they are eliminated by the kidneys and liver). It has not been tested, just some things to consider. Its a couple years old and I've been meaning to update it, but my day job and other things have are getting in the way. What I'd like to add is the evidence from preliminary studies of resurfacing patients with actual ion levels. The levels are elevated but still just a few parts per billion. See this JRI newletter on surfacehippy. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/surfacehippy/files/JRI/ One could compare these to industrial workers' levels (I have just a couple papers for that now) ... but the comparisons are not really that helpful because the industrial exposure is generally through inhalation where the risk is to the lungs (this is for stainless steel welders). As explained in the references in the first link, experts believe any carcinogenic effect of chrominum is neutralized very quickly in the blood, so bloodborne chrominum is considered relatively harmless compared to airborne chrominum in contact with cells in the lung. Hope that is elightening, not confusing. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2004 Report Share Posted May 29, 2004 Hi , I just had a RTHR with MoM and my doctor just learned at a recent medical conference on this subject that initially the metal ions in the blood are at an increased level, but that the levels steadily decrease and return to normal in a few years. No adverse reactions have been found or documented to date. Sherry > hello all- > I'm considering HR and I'm hearing conflicting info on the (possible) effects of the metal ions in the body for many years from MOM. > Your response would be helpful. Thanks. > elizabeth > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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