Re: EMTs: Fake Certification Punishment Unfair

[Guest guest]

Poor Kim she did something that she knew could cost her a job and all

that goes with it. Po po. I stopes reading after that part.

WTF has society come to?

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typos.

(Cell)

LNMolino@...

> http://www.thebostonchannel.com/mostpopular/24102325/detail.html

>

> BOSTON -- Beginning July 1, more than 200 emergency medical

> technicians will not be making emergency calls. They've been suspended

> for anywhere from 45 days to nine months for falsely claiming they

> took certification refresher courses.

>

> The state said it came down hard to send a message and protect public

> safety, but two EMTs said the move is unfair and dangerous.

>

> Kim is a state emergency technician. She's been suspended for nine

> months for allegedly falsifying certification class attendance. She

> says if she broke the law, she should be punished.

>

> " But a nine-month suspension? I've lost my job and my health

> insurance. I don't now what I am going to do, " said Kim.

>

> She said the harsh punishment of EMTs is unfair, especially because

> she believes the refresher courses they're required to take have no

> bearing on competence and knowledge.

>

> " The refresher course just repeats everything. We didn't put you at

> harm, " Kim said.

>

> Terry Urekew is a part-time paramedic who was not on the penalty list,

> but she believes the state has done an injustice to her colleagues.

>

> " So if it's fraud, slap them. Give everyone a $100 fine and community

> service, " said Urekew. " Don't take someone's livelihood away from

> something that has no impact on whether or not we are better EMTs, "

> she said.

>

> Urekew said the state never gave the EMTs a chance to tell their side

> of the story. But the Department of Health commissioner said they have

> the legal right to appeal their case and believes their punishment

> fits the crime.

>

> " I hope the strong stance we've taken will send a message to those who

> might be considering disobeying the rules of their profession that

> it's important to be in compliance, " said commissioner Auerbach.

> " EMTs and paramedics and docs and dentists who take training seriously

> are eager to defend training as a way to assure that the public gets

> the very best care, " he said.

>

> But Kim and Urekew said the real public safety concern starts on July

> 1 when fewer EMTs are available.

>

> " You are forcing the remaining EMTs to work longer hours, and people

> just taken out of EMT classes are on the road quicker without proper

> training, " said Kim.

>

> " Do you want me working on your mother who is having a heart attack in

> hour 87 of my 90 hour week? " said Urekew. " Do you want that? That's

> what you are going to get. There are not enough people to fill the

> gaps, " she said.

>

> Auerbach disagreed.

>

> " We have no evidence that public safety is at risk because of the

> suspension of 211 EMTs. There are 23,000 EMT's in the state, " said

> Auerbach. " We haven't received a single call from anyone expressing

> the slightest bit of concern about having sufficient EMTs and

> paramedics, " he said.

>

> The EMTs said they were also frustrated that many of the penalized

> workers still had other jobs, including the firefighters. But many

> other EMTs won't have any income beginning Thursday.

>

[Guest guest]

Poor Kim she did something that she knew could cost her a job and all

that goes with it. Po po. I stopes reading after that part.

WTF has society come to?

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typos.

(Cell)

LNMolino@...

> http://www.thebostonchannel.com/mostpopular/24102325/detail.html

>

> BOSTON -- Beginning July 1, more than 200 emergency medical

> technicians will not be making emergency calls. They've been suspended

> for anywhere from 45 days to nine months for falsely claiming they

> took certification refresher courses.

>

> The state said it came down hard to send a message and protect public

> safety, but two EMTs said the move is unfair and dangerous.

>

> Kim is a state emergency technician. She's been suspended for nine

> months for allegedly falsifying certification class attendance. She

> says if she broke the law, she should be punished.

>

> " But a nine-month suspension? I've lost my job and my health

> insurance. I don't now what I am going to do, " said Kim.

>

> She said the harsh punishment of EMTs is unfair, especially because

> she believes the refresher courses they're required to take have no

> bearing on competence and knowledge.

>

> " The refresher course just repeats everything. We didn't put you at

> harm, " Kim said.

>

> Terry Urekew is a part-time paramedic who was not on the penalty list,

> but she believes the state has done an injustice to her colleagues.

>

> " So if it's fraud, slap them. Give everyone a $100 fine and community

> service, " said Urekew. " Don't take someone's livelihood away from

> something that has no impact on whether or not we are better EMTs, "

> she said.

>

> Urekew said the state never gave the EMTs a chance to tell their side

> of the story. But the Department of Health commissioner said they have

> the legal right to appeal their case and believes their punishment

> fits the crime.

>

> " I hope the strong stance we've taken will send a message to those who

> might be considering disobeying the rules of their profession that

> it's important to be in compliance, " said commissioner Auerbach.

> " EMTs and paramedics and docs and dentists who take training seriously

> are eager to defend training as a way to assure that the public gets

> the very best care, " he said.

>

> But Kim and Urekew said the real public safety concern starts on July

> 1 when fewer EMTs are available.

>

> " You are forcing the remaining EMTs to work longer hours, and people

> just taken out of EMT classes are on the road quicker without proper

> training, " said Kim.

>

> " Do you want me working on your mother who is having a heart attack in

> hour 87 of my 90 hour week? " said Urekew. " Do you want that? That's

> what you are going to get. There are not enough people to fill the

> gaps, " she said.

>

> Auerbach disagreed.

>

> " We have no evidence that public safety is at risk because of the

> suspension of 211 EMTs. There are 23,000 EMT's in the state, " said

> Auerbach. " We haven't received a single call from anyone expressing

> the slightest bit of concern about having sufficient EMTs and

> paramedics, " he said.

>

> The EMTs said they were also frustrated that many of the penalized

> workers still had other jobs, including the firefighters. But many

> other EMTs won't have any income beginning Thursday.

>

[Guest guest]

....and then they wonder why people dont consider us professionals or take us

seriously. 

 

McGee, EMT-P, EMT-T

 

> http://www.thebostonchannel.com/mostpopular/24102325/detail.html

>

> BOSTON -- Beginning July 1, more than 200 emergency medical

> technicians will not be making emergency calls. They've been suspended

> for anywhere from 45 days to nine months for falsely claiming they

> took certification refresher courses.

>

> The state said it came down hard to send a message and protect public

> safety, but two EMTs said the move is unfair and dangerous.

>

> Kim is a state emergency technician. She's been suspended for nine

> months for allegedly falsifying certification class attendance. She

> says if she broke the law, she should be punished.

>

> " But a nine-month suspension? I've lost my job and my health

> insurance. I don't now what I am going to do, " said Kim.

>

> She said the harsh punishment of EMTs is unfair, especially because

> she believes the refresher courses they're required to take have no

> bearing on competence and knowledge.

>

> " The refresher course just repeats everything. We didn't put you at

> harm, " Kim said.

>

> Terry Urekew is a part-time paramedic who was not on the penalty list,

> but she believes the state has done an injustice to her colleagues.

>

> " So if it's fraud, slap them. Give everyone a $100 fine and community

> service, " said Urekew. " Don't take someone's livelihood away from

> something that has no impact on whether or not we are better EMTs, "

> she said.

>

> Urekew said the state never gave the EMTs a chance to tell their side

> of the story. But the Department of Health commissioner said they have

> the legal right to appeal their case and believes their punishment

> fits the crime.

>

> " I hope the strong stance we've taken will send a message to those who

> might be considering disobeying the rules of their profession that

> it's important to be in compliance, " said commissioner Auerbach.

> " EMTs and paramedics and docs and dentists who take training seriously

> are eager to defend training as a way to assure that the public gets

> the very best care, " he said.

>

> But Kim and Urekew said the real public safety concern starts on July

> 1 when fewer EMTs are available.

>

> " You are forcing the remaining EMTs to work longer hours, and people

> just taken out of EMT classes are on the road quicker without proper

> training, " said Kim.

>

> " Do you want me working on your mother who is having a heart attack in

> hour 87 of my 90 hour week? " said Urekew. " Do you want that? That's

> what you are going to get. There are not enough people to fill the

> gaps, " she said.

>

> Auerbach disagreed.

>

> " We have no evidence that public safety is at risk because of the

> suspension of 211 EMTs. There are 23,000 EMT's in the state, " said

> Auerbach. " We haven't received a single call from anyone expressing

> the slightest bit of concern about having sufficient EMTs and

> paramedics, " he said.

>

> The EMTs said they were also frustrated that many of the penalized

> workers still had other jobs, including the firefighters. But many

> other EMTs won't have any income beginning Thursday.

>

[Guest guest]

....and then they wonder why people dont consider us professionals or take us

seriously. 

 

McGee, EMT-P, EMT-T

 

> http://www.thebostonchannel.com/mostpopular/24102325/detail.html

>

> BOSTON -- Beginning July 1, more than 200 emergency medical

> technicians will not be making emergency calls. They've been suspended

> for anywhere from 45 days to nine months for falsely claiming they

> took certification refresher courses.

>

> The state said it came down hard to send a message and protect public

> safety, but two EMTs said the move is unfair and dangerous.

>

> Kim is a state emergency technician. She's been suspended for nine

> months for allegedly falsifying certification class attendance. She

> says if she broke the law, she should be punished.

>

> " But a nine-month suspension? I've lost my job and my health

> insurance. I don't now what I am going to do, " said Kim.

>

> She said the harsh punishment of EMTs is unfair, especially because

> she believes the refresher courses they're required to take have no

> bearing on competence and knowledge.

>

> " The refresher course just repeats everything. We didn't put you at

> harm, " Kim said.

>

> Terry Urekew is a part-time paramedic who was not on the penalty list,

> but she believes the state has done an injustice to her colleagues.

>

> " So if it's fraud, slap them. Give everyone a $100 fine and community

> service, " said Urekew. " Don't take someone's livelihood away from

> something that has no impact on whether or not we are better EMTs, "

> she said.

>

> Urekew said the state never gave the EMTs a chance to tell their side

> of the story. But the Department of Health commissioner said they have

> the legal right to appeal their case and believes their punishment

> fits the crime.

>

> " I hope the strong stance we've taken will send a message to those who

> might be considering disobeying the rules of their profession that

> it's important to be in compliance, " said commissioner Auerbach.

> " EMTs and paramedics and docs and dentists who take training seriously

> are eager to defend training as a way to assure that the public gets

> the very best care, " he said.

>

> But Kim and Urekew said the real public safety concern starts on July

> 1 when fewer EMTs are available.

>

> " You are forcing the remaining EMTs to work longer hours, and people

> just taken out of EMT classes are on the road quicker without proper

> training, " said Kim.

>

> " Do you want me working on your mother who is having a heart attack in

> hour 87 of my 90 hour week? " said Urekew. " Do you want that? That's

> what you are going to get. There are not enough people to fill the

> gaps, " she said.

>

> Auerbach disagreed.

>

> " We have no evidence that public safety is at risk because of the

> suspension of 211 EMTs. There are 23,000 EMT's in the state, " said

> Auerbach. " We haven't received a single call from anyone expressing

> the slightest bit of concern about having sufficient EMTs and

> paramedics, " he said.

>

> The EMTs said they were also frustrated that many of the penalized

> workers still had other jobs, including the firefighters. But many

> other EMTs won't have any income beginning Thursday.

>

[Guest guest]

Well said Alyssa!

I always loved when a guy would moan about getting his X credits for

whatever certification when I had 3 or 4 times the required credits, 4 kids, 3

jobs and all that jazz.

I didn't bitch and moan I did way more and still do as I try to learn every

month and so on so I really have no time for crap like this and as I said

I would agree that all these folks do not have a right to a JOB in this

business.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@...

(Cell Phone)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

In a message dated 7/3/2010 12:56:18 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

amwoods8644@... writes:

You know, I really do want to know the EMTs' side of the story - I want to

know WTF was so important in their lives that they felt like they couldn't

handle a three day refresher course.

I want to know why they think it's ok to not keep current with medical

practices. Do they think EMS never changes? Or that it shouldn't change to

attempt to improve patient care? Should I start using PASGs again? Stop

acknowledging the existence of EZ-IOs?

Or do they know all there is to know about medicine? Do they even know

everything they knew coming out of their EMT course?

If they'd like to talk about the danger of the public receiving

lower-quality EMS, let's talk about the danger caused by actually having people

with

this kind of attitude practicing.

I'd also like to know why they think they're so special that they're above

the rules. I pay my dues just like I expect everyone else to. Why are they

exempt?

So, yes... I'd LOVE to hear their side of the story.

Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B

Sent from the itty bitty keyboard on my iPhone

On Jul 2, 2010, at 8:30 PM, McGee _summedic@..._

(mailto:summedic@...) > wrote:

> ...and then they wonder why people dont consider us professionals or

take us seriously.

>

>

> McGee, EMT-P, EMT-T

>

>

>

>

> > _http://www.thebostonchannel.com/mostpopular/24102325/detail.html_

(http://www.thebostonchannel.com/mostpopular/24102325/detail.html)

> >

> > BOSTON -- Beginning July 1, more than 200 emergency medical

> > technicians will not be making emergency calls. They've been suspended

> > for anywhere from 45 days to nine months for falsely claiming they

> > took certification refresher courses.

> >

> > The state said it came down hard to send a message and protect public

> > safety, but two EMTs said the move is unfair and dangerous.

> >

> > Kim is a state emergency technician. She's been suspended for nine

> > months for allegedly falsifying certification class attendance. She

> > says if she broke the law, she should be punished.

> >

> > " But a nine-month suspension? I've lost my job and my health

> > insurance. I don't now what I am going to do, " said Kim.

> >

> > She said the harsh punishment of EMTs is unfair, especially because

> > she believes the refresher courses they're required to take have no

> > bearing on competence and knowledge.

> >

> > " The refresher course just repeats everything. We didn't put you at

> > harm, " Kim said.

> >

> > Terry Urekew is a part-time paramedic who was not on the penalty list,

> > but she believes the state has done an injustice to her colleagues.

> >

> > " So if it's fraud, slap them. Give everyone a $100 fine and community

> > service, " said Urekew. " Don't take someone's livelihood away from

> > something that has no impact on whether or not we are better EMTs, "

> > she said.

> >

> > Urekew said the state never gave the EMTs a chance to tell their side

> > of the story. But the Department of Health commissioner said they have

> > the legal right to appeal their case and believes their punishment

> > fits the crime.

> >

> > " I hope the strong stance we've taken will send a message to those who

> > might be considering disobeying the rules of their profession that

> > it's important to be in compliance, " said commissioner Auerbach.

> > " EMTs and paramedics and docs and dentists who take training seriously

> > are eager to defend training as a way to assure that the public gets

> > the very best care, " he said.

> >

> > But Kim and Urekew said the real public safety concern starts on July

> > 1 when fewer EMTs are available.

> >

> > " You are forcing the remaining EMTs to work longer hours, and people

> > just taken out of EMT classes are on the road quicker without proper

> > training, " said Kim.

> >

> > " Do you want me working on your mother who is having a heart attack in

> > hour 87 of my 90 hour week? " said Urekew. " Do you want that? That's

> > what you are going to get. There are not enough people to fill the

> > gaps, " she said.

> >

> > Auerbach disagreed.

> >

> > " We have no evidence that public safety is at risk because of the

> > suspension of 211 EMTs. There are 23,000 EMT's in the state, " said

> > Auerbach. " We haven't received a single call from anyone expressing

> > the slightest bit of concern about having sufficient EMTs and

> > paramedics, " he said.

> >

> > The EMTs said they were also frustrated that many of the penalized

> > workers still had other jobs, including the firefighters. But many

> > other EMTs won't have any income beginning Thursday.

> >

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Guest guest]

Well said Alyssa!

I always loved when a guy would moan about getting his X credits for

whatever certification when I had 3 or 4 times the required credits, 4 kids, 3

jobs and all that jazz.

I didn't bitch and moan I did way more and still do as I try to learn every

month and so on so I really have no time for crap like this and as I said

I would agree that all these folks do not have a right to a JOB in this

business.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@...

(Cell Phone)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

In a message dated 7/3/2010 12:56:18 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

amwoods8644@... writes:

You know, I really do want to know the EMTs' side of the story - I want to

know WTF was so important in their lives that they felt like they couldn't

handle a three day refresher course.

I want to know why they think it's ok to not keep current with medical

practices. Do they think EMS never changes? Or that it shouldn't change to

attempt to improve patient care? Should I start using PASGs again? Stop

acknowledging the existence of EZ-IOs?

Or do they know all there is to know about medicine? Do they even know

everything they knew coming out of their EMT course?

If they'd like to talk about the danger of the public receiving

lower-quality EMS, let's talk about the danger caused by actually having people

with

this kind of attitude practicing.

I'd also like to know why they think they're so special that they're above

the rules. I pay my dues just like I expect everyone else to. Why are they

exempt?

So, yes... I'd LOVE to hear their side of the story.

Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B

Sent from the itty bitty keyboard on my iPhone

On Jul 2, 2010, at 8:30 PM, McGee _summedic@..._

(mailto:summedic@...) > wrote:

> ...and then they wonder why people dont consider us professionals or

take us seriously.

>

>

> McGee, EMT-P, EMT-T

>

>

>

>

> > _http://www.thebostonchannel.com/mostpopular/24102325/detail.html_

(http://www.thebostonchannel.com/mostpopular/24102325/detail.html)

> >

> > BOSTON -- Beginning July 1, more than 200 emergency medical

> > technicians will not be making emergency calls. They've been suspended

> > for anywhere from 45 days to nine months for falsely claiming they

> > took certification refresher courses.

> >

> > The state said it came down hard to send a message and protect public

> > safety, but two EMTs said the move is unfair and dangerous.

> >

> > Kim is a state emergency technician. She's been suspended for nine

> > months for allegedly falsifying certification class attendance. She

> > says if she broke the law, she should be punished.

> >

> > " But a nine-month suspension? I've lost my job and my health

> > insurance. I don't now what I am going to do, " said Kim.

> >

> > She said the harsh punishment of EMTs is unfair, especially because

> > she believes the refresher courses they're required to take have no

> > bearing on competence and knowledge.

> >

> > " The refresher course just repeats everything. We didn't put you at

> > harm, " Kim said.

> >

> > Terry Urekew is a part-time paramedic who was not on the penalty list,

> > but she believes the state has done an injustice to her colleagues.

> >

> > " So if it's fraud, slap them. Give everyone a $100 fine and community

> > service, " said Urekew. " Don't take someone's livelihood away from

> > something that has no impact on whether or not we are better EMTs, "

> > she said.

> >

> > Urekew said the state never gave the EMTs a chance to tell their side

> > of the story. But the Department of Health commissioner said they have

> > the legal right to appeal their case and believes their punishment

> > fits the crime.

> >

> > " I hope the strong stance we've taken will send a message to those who

> > might be considering disobeying the rules of their profession that

> > it's important to be in compliance, " said commissioner Auerbach.

> > " EMTs and paramedics and docs and dentists who take training seriously

> > are eager to defend training as a way to assure that the public gets

> > the very best care, " he said.

> >

> > But Kim and Urekew said the real public safety concern starts on July

> > 1 when fewer EMTs are available.

> >

> > " You are forcing the remaining EMTs to work longer hours, and people

> > just taken out of EMT classes are on the road quicker without proper

> > training, " said Kim.

> >

> > " Do you want me working on your mother who is having a heart attack in

> > hour 87 of my 90 hour week? " said Urekew. " Do you want that? That's

> > what you are going to get. There are not enough people to fill the

> > gaps, " she said.

> >

> > Auerbach disagreed.

> >

> > " We have no evidence that public safety is at risk because of the

> > suspension of 211 EMTs. There are 23,000 EMT's in the state, " said

> > Auerbach. " We haven't received a single call from anyone expressing

> > the slightest bit of concern about having sufficient EMTs and

> > paramedics, " he said.

> >

> > The EMTs said they were also frustrated that many of the penalized

> > workers still had other jobs, including the firefighters. But many

> > other EMTs won't have any income beginning Thursday.

> >

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Guest guest]

Well said Alyssa!

I always loved when a guy would moan about getting his X credits for

whatever certification when I had 3 or 4 times the required credits, 4 kids, 3

jobs and all that jazz.

I didn't bitch and moan I did way more and still do as I try to learn every

month and so on so I really have no time for crap like this and as I said

I would agree that all these folks do not have a right to a JOB in this

business.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@...

(Cell Phone)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

In a message dated 7/3/2010 12:56:18 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

amwoods8644@... writes:

You know, I really do want to know the EMTs' side of the story - I want to

know WTF was so important in their lives that they felt like they couldn't

handle a three day refresher course.

I want to know why they think it's ok to not keep current with medical

practices. Do they think EMS never changes? Or that it shouldn't change to

attempt to improve patient care? Should I start using PASGs again? Stop

acknowledging the existence of EZ-IOs?

Or do they know all there is to know about medicine? Do they even know

everything they knew coming out of their EMT course?

If they'd like to talk about the danger of the public receiving

lower-quality EMS, let's talk about the danger caused by actually having people

with

this kind of attitude practicing.

I'd also like to know why they think they're so special that they're above

the rules. I pay my dues just like I expect everyone else to. Why are they

exempt?

So, yes... I'd LOVE to hear their side of the story.

Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B

Sent from the itty bitty keyboard on my iPhone

On Jul 2, 2010, at 8:30 PM, McGee _summedic@..._

(mailto:summedic@...) > wrote:

> ...and then they wonder why people dont consider us professionals or

take us seriously.

>

>

> McGee, EMT-P, EMT-T

>

>

>

>

> > _http://www.thebostonchannel.com/mostpopular/24102325/detail.html_

(http://www.thebostonchannel.com/mostpopular/24102325/detail.html)

> >

> > BOSTON -- Beginning July 1, more than 200 emergency medical

> > technicians will not be making emergency calls. They've been suspended

> > for anywhere from 45 days to nine months for falsely claiming they

> > took certification refresher courses.

> >

> > The state said it came down hard to send a message and protect public

> > safety, but two EMTs said the move is unfair and dangerous.

> >

> > Kim is a state emergency technician. She's been suspended for nine

> > months for allegedly falsifying certification class attendance. She

> > says if she broke the law, she should be punished.

> >

> > " But a nine-month suspension? I've lost my job and my health

> > insurance. I don't now what I am going to do, " said Kim.

> >

> > She said the harsh punishment of EMTs is unfair, especially because

> > she believes the refresher courses they're required to take have no

> > bearing on competence and knowledge.

> >

> > " The refresher course just repeats everything. We didn't put you at

> > harm, " Kim said.

> >

> > Terry Urekew is a part-time paramedic who was not on the penalty list,

> > but she believes the state has done an injustice to her colleagues.

> >

> > " So if it's fraud, slap them. Give everyone a $100 fine and community

> > service, " said Urekew. " Don't take someone's livelihood away from

> > something that has no impact on whether or not we are better EMTs, "

> > she said.

> >

> > Urekew said the state never gave the EMTs a chance to tell their side

> > of the story. But the Department of Health commissioner said they have

> > the legal right to appeal their case and believes their punishment

> > fits the crime.

> >

> > " I hope the strong stance we've taken will send a message to those who

> > might be considering disobeying the rules of their profession that

> > it's important to be in compliance, " said commissioner Auerbach.

> > " EMTs and paramedics and docs and dentists who take training seriously

> > are eager to defend training as a way to assure that the public gets

> > the very best care, " he said.

> >

> > But Kim and Urekew said the real public safety concern starts on July

> > 1 when fewer EMTs are available.

> >

> > " You are forcing the remaining EMTs to work longer hours, and people

> > just taken out of EMT classes are on the road quicker without proper

> > training, " said Kim.

> >

> > " Do you want me working on your mother who is having a heart attack in

> > hour 87 of my 90 hour week? " said Urekew. " Do you want that? That's

> > what you are going to get. There are not enough people to fill the

> > gaps, " she said.

> >

> > Auerbach disagreed.

> >

> > " We have no evidence that public safety is at risk because of the

> > suspension of 211 EMTs. There are 23,000 EMT's in the state, " said

> > Auerbach. " We haven't received a single call from anyone expressing

> > the slightest bit of concern about having sufficient EMTs and

> > paramedics, " he said.

> >

> > The EMTs said they were also frustrated that many of the penalized

> > workers still had other jobs, including the firefighters. But many

> > other EMTs won't have any income beginning Thursday.

> >

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Guest guest]

You know, I really do want to know the EMTs' side of the story - I want to know

WTF was so important in their lives that they felt like they couldn't handle a

three day refresher course.

I want to know why they think it's ok to not keep current with medical

practices. Do they think EMS never changes? Or that it shouldn't change to

attempt to improve patient care? Should I start using PASGs again? Stop

acknowledging the existence of EZ-IOs?

Or do they know all there is to know about medicine? Do they even know

everything they knew coming out of their EMT course?

If they'd like to talk about the danger of the public receiving lower-quality

EMS, let's talk about the danger caused by actually having people with this kind

of attitude practicing.

I'd also like to know why they think they're so special that they're above the

rules. I pay my dues just like I expect everyone else to. Why are they exempt?

So, yes... I'd LOVE to hear their side of the story.

Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B

Sent from the itty bitty keyboard on my iPhone

> ...and then they wonder why people dont consider us professionals or take us

seriously.

>

>

> McGee, EMT-P, EMT-T

>

>

>

>

> > http://www.thebostonchannel.com/mostpopular/24102325/detail.html

> >

> > BOSTON -- Beginning July 1, more than 200 emergency medical

> > technicians will not be making emergency calls. They've been suspended

> > for anywhere from 45 days to nine months for falsely claiming they

> > took certification refresher courses.

> >

> > The state said it came down hard to send a message and protect public

> > safety, but two EMTs said the move is unfair and dangerous.

> >

> > Kim is a state emergency technician. She's been suspended for nine

> > months for allegedly falsifying certification class attendance. She

> > says if she broke the law, she should be punished.

> >

> > " But a nine-month suspension? I've lost my job and my health

> > insurance. I don't now what I am going to do, " said Kim.

> >

> > She said the harsh punishment of EMTs is unfair, especially because

> > she believes the refresher courses they're required to take have no

> > bearing on competence and knowledge.

> >

> > " The refresher course just repeats everything. We didn't put you at

> > harm, " Kim said.

> >

> > Terry Urekew is a part-time paramedic who was not on the penalty list,

> > but she believes the state has done an injustice to her colleagues.

> >

> > " So if it's fraud, slap them. Give everyone a $100 fine and community

> > service, " said Urekew. " Don't take someone's livelihood away from

> > something that has no impact on whether or not we are better EMTs, "

> > she said.

> >

> > Urekew said the state never gave the EMTs a chance to tell their side

> > of the story. But the Department of Health commissioner said they have

> > the legal right to appeal their case and believes their punishment

> > fits the crime.

> >

> > " I hope the strong stance we've taken will send a message to those who

> > might be considering disobeying the rules of their profession that

> > it's important to be in compliance, " said commissioner Auerbach.

> > " EMTs and paramedics and docs and dentists who take training seriously

> > are eager to defend training as a way to assure that the public gets

> > the very best care, " he said.

> >

> > But Kim and Urekew said the real public safety concern starts on July

> > 1 when fewer EMTs are available.

> >

> > " You are forcing the remaining EMTs to work longer hours, and people

> > just taken out of EMT classes are on the road quicker without proper

> > training, " said Kim.

> >

> > " Do you want me working on your mother who is having a heart attack in

> > hour 87 of my 90 hour week? " said Urekew. " Do you want that? That's

> > what you are going to get. There are not enough people to fill the

> > gaps, " she said.

> >

> > Auerbach disagreed.

> >

> > " We have no evidence that public safety is at risk because of the

> > suspension of 211 EMTs. There are 23,000 EMT's in the state, " said

> > Auerbach. " We haven't received a single call from anyone expressing

> > the slightest bit of concern about having sufficient EMTs and

> > paramedics, " he said.

> >

> > The EMTs said they were also frustrated that many of the penalized

> > workers still had other jobs, including the firefighters. But many

> > other EMTs won't have any income beginning Thursday.

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Alyssa,

1. Entitlement

2. Laziness

3. Arrogance

4. Thought they could get away with it

5. All of the above

Bob

>

>

> Well said Alyssa!

>

> I always loved when a guy would moan about getting his X credits for

> whatever certification when I had 3 or 4 times the required credits, 4

> kids, 3

> jobs and all that jazz.

>

> I didn't bitch and moan I did way more and still do as I try to learn every

>

> month and so on so I really have no time for crap like this and as I said

> I would agree that all these folks do not have a right to a JOB in this

> business.

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

>

> LNMolino@...

>

> (Cell Phone)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

>

> In a message dated 7/3/2010 12:56:18 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

> amwoods8644@... writes:

>

> You know, I really do want to know the EMTs' side of the story - I want to

> know WTF was so important in their lives that they felt like they couldn't

> handle a three day refresher course.

>

> I want to know why they think it's ok to not keep current with medical

> practices. Do they think EMS never changes? Or that it shouldn't change to

> attempt to improve patient care? Should I start using PASGs again? Stop

> acknowledging the existence of EZ-IOs?

>

> Or do they know all there is to know about medicine? Do they even know

> everything they knew coming out of their EMT course?

>

> If they'd like to talk about the danger of the public receiving

> lower-quality EMS, let's talk about the danger caused by actually having

> people with

> this kind of attitude practicing.

>

> I'd also like to know why they think they're so special that they're above

> the rules. I pay my dues just like I expect everyone else to. Why are they

> exempt?

>

> So, yes... I'd LOVE to hear their side of the story.

>

> Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B

>

> Sent from the itty bitty keyboard on my iPhone

>

> On Jul 2, 2010, at 8:30 PM, McGee

_summedic@...<_summedic%40yahoo.com>_

>

> (mailto:summedic@... ) > wrote:

>

> > ...and then they wonder why people dont consider us professionals or

> take us seriously.

> >

> >

> > McGee, EMT-P, EMT-T

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > _http://www.thebostonchannel.com/mostpopular/24102325/detail.html_

> (http://www.thebostonchannel.com/mostpopular/24102325/detail.html)

> > >

> > > BOSTON -- Beginning July 1, more than 200 emergency medical

> > > technicians will not be making emergency calls. They've been suspended

> > > for anywhere from 45 days to nine months for falsely claiming they

> > > took certification refresher courses.

> > >

> > > The state said it came down hard to send a message and protect public

> > > safety, but two EMTs said the move is unfair and dangerous.

> > >

> > > Kim is a state emergency technician. She's been suspended for nine

> > > months for allegedly falsifying certification class attendance. She

> > > says if she broke the law, she should be punished.

> > >

> > > " But a nine-month suspension? I've lost my job and my health

> > > insurance. I don't now what I am going to do, " said Kim.

> > >

> > > She said the harsh punishment of EMTs is unfair, especially because

> > > she believes the refresher courses they're required to take have no

> > > bearing on competence and knowledge.

> > >

> > > " The refresher course just repeats everything. We didn't put you at

> > > harm, " Kim said.

> > >

> > > Terry Urekew is a part-time paramedic who was not on the penalty list,

> > > but she believes the state has done an injustice to her colleagues.

> > >

> > > " So if it's fraud, slap them. Give everyone a $100 fine and community

> > > service, " said Urekew. " Don't take someone's livelihood away from

> > > something that has no impact on whether or not we are better EMTs, "

> > > she said.

> > >

> > > Urekew said the state never gave the EMTs a chance to tell their side

> > > of the story. But the Department of Health commissioner said they have

> > > the legal right to appeal their case and believes their punishment

> > > fits the crime.

> > >

> > > " I hope the strong stance we've taken will send a message to those who

> > > might be considering disobeying the rules of their profession that

> > > it's important to be in compliance, " said commissioner Auerbach.

> > > " EMTs and paramedics and docs and dentists who take training seriously

> > > are eager to defend training as a way to assure that the public gets

> > > the very best care, " he said.

> > >

> > > But Kim and Urekew said the real public safety concern starts on July

> > > 1 when fewer EMTs are available.

> > >

> > > " You are forcing the remaining EMTs to work longer hours, and people

> > > just taken out of EMT classes are on the road quicker without proper

> > > training, " said Kim.

> > >

> > > " Do you want me working on your mother who is having a heart attack in

> > > hour 87 of my 90 hour week? " said Urekew. " Do you want that? That's

> > > what you are going to get. There are not enough people to fill the

> > > gaps, " she said.

> > >

> > > Auerbach disagreed.

> > >

> > > " We have no evidence that public safety is at risk because of the

> > > suspension of 211 EMTs. There are 23,000 EMT's in the state, " said

> > > Auerbach. " We haven't received a single call from anyone expressing

> > > the slightest bit of concern about having sufficient EMTs and

> > > paramedics, " he said.

> > >

> > > The EMTs said they were also frustrated that many of the penalized

> > > workers still had other jobs, including the firefighters. But many

> > > other EMTs won't have any income beginning Thursday.

> > >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Alyssa,

1. Entitlement

2. Laziness

3. Arrogance

4. Thought they could get away with it

5. All of the above

Bob

>

>

> Well said Alyssa!

>

> I always loved when a guy would moan about getting his X credits for

> whatever certification when I had 3 or 4 times the required credits, 4

> kids, 3

> jobs and all that jazz.

>

> I didn't bitch and moan I did way more and still do as I try to learn every

>

> month and so on so I really have no time for crap like this and as I said

> I would agree that all these folks do not have a right to a JOB in this

> business.

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

>

> LNMolino@...

>

> (Cell Phone)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

>

> In a message dated 7/3/2010 12:56:18 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

> amwoods8644@... writes:

>

> You know, I really do want to know the EMTs' side of the story - I want to

> know WTF was so important in their lives that they felt like they couldn't

> handle a three day refresher course.

>

> I want to know why they think it's ok to not keep current with medical

> practices. Do they think EMS never changes? Or that it shouldn't change to

> attempt to improve patient care? Should I start using PASGs again? Stop

> acknowledging the existence of EZ-IOs?

>

> Or do they know all there is to know about medicine? Do they even know

> everything they knew coming out of their EMT course?

>

> If they'd like to talk about the danger of the public receiving

> lower-quality EMS, let's talk about the danger caused by actually having

> people with

> this kind of attitude practicing.

>

> I'd also like to know why they think they're so special that they're above

> the rules. I pay my dues just like I expect everyone else to. Why are they

> exempt?

>

> So, yes... I'd LOVE to hear their side of the story.

>

> Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B

>

> Sent from the itty bitty keyboard on my iPhone

>

> On Jul 2, 2010, at 8:30 PM, McGee

_summedic@...<_summedic%40yahoo.com>_

>

> (mailto:summedic@... ) > wrote:

>

> > ...and then they wonder why people dont consider us professionals or

> take us seriously.

> >

> >

> > McGee, EMT-P, EMT-T

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > _http://www.thebostonchannel.com/mostpopular/24102325/detail.html_

> (http://www.thebostonchannel.com/mostpopular/24102325/detail.html)

> > >

> > > BOSTON -- Beginning July 1, more than 200 emergency medical

> > > technicians will not be making emergency calls. They've been suspended

> > > for anywhere from 45 days to nine months for falsely claiming they

> > > took certification refresher courses.

> > >

> > > The state said it came down hard to send a message and protect public

> > > safety, but two EMTs said the move is unfair and dangerous.

> > >

> > > Kim is a state emergency technician. She's been suspended for nine

> > > months for allegedly falsifying certification class attendance. She

> > > says if she broke the law, she should be punished.

> > >

> > > " But a nine-month suspension? I've lost my job and my health

> > > insurance. I don't now what I am going to do, " said Kim.

> > >

> > > She said the harsh punishment of EMTs is unfair, especially because

> > > she believes the refresher courses they're required to take have no

> > > bearing on competence and knowledge.

> > >

> > > " The refresher course just repeats everything. We didn't put you at

> > > harm, " Kim said.

> > >

> > > Terry Urekew is a part-time paramedic who was not on the penalty list,

> > > but she believes the state has done an injustice to her colleagues.

> > >

> > > " So if it's fraud, slap them. Give everyone a $100 fine and community

> > > service, " said Urekew. " Don't take someone's livelihood away from

> > > something that has no impact on whether or not we are better EMTs, "

> > > she said.

> > >

> > > Urekew said the state never gave the EMTs a chance to tell their side

> > > of the story. But the Department of Health commissioner said they have

> > > the legal right to appeal their case and believes their punishment

> > > fits the crime.

> > >

> > > " I hope the strong stance we've taken will send a message to those who

> > > might be considering disobeying the rules of their profession that

> > > it's important to be in compliance, " said commissioner Auerbach.

> > > " EMTs and paramedics and docs and dentists who take training seriously

> > > are eager to defend training as a way to assure that the public gets

> > > the very best care, " he said.

> > >

> > > But Kim and Urekew said the real public safety concern starts on July

> > > 1 when fewer EMTs are available.

> > >

> > > " You are forcing the remaining EMTs to work longer hours, and people

> > > just taken out of EMT classes are on the road quicker without proper

> > > training, " said Kim.

> > >

> > > " Do you want me working on your mother who is having a heart attack in

> > > hour 87 of my 90 hour week? " said Urekew. " Do you want that? That's

> > > what you are going to get. There are not enough people to fill the

> > > gaps, " she said.

> > >

> > > Auerbach disagreed.

> > >

> > > " We have no evidence that public safety is at risk because of the

> > > suspension of 211 EMTs. There are 23,000 EMT's in the state, " said

> > > Auerbach. " We haven't received a single call from anyone expressing

> > > the slightest bit of concern about having sufficient EMTs and

> > > paramedics, " he said.

> > >

> > > The EMTs said they were also frustrated that many of the penalized

> > > workers still had other jobs, including the firefighters. But many

> > > other EMTs won't have any income beginning Thursday.

> > >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Alyssa,

1. Entitlement

2. Laziness

3. Arrogance

4. Thought they could get away with it

5. All of the above

Bob

>

>

> Well said Alyssa!

>

> I always loved when a guy would moan about getting his X credits for

> whatever certification when I had 3 or 4 times the required credits, 4

> kids, 3

> jobs and all that jazz.

>

> I didn't bitch and moan I did way more and still do as I try to learn every

>

> month and so on so I really have no time for crap like this and as I said

> I would agree that all these folks do not have a right to a JOB in this

> business.

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

>

> LNMolino@...

>

> (Cell Phone)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

>

> In a message dated 7/3/2010 12:56:18 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

> amwoods8644@... writes:

>

> You know, I really do want to know the EMTs' side of the story - I want to

> know WTF was so important in their lives that they felt like they couldn't

> handle a three day refresher course.

>

> I want to know why they think it's ok to not keep current with medical

> practices. Do they think EMS never changes? Or that it shouldn't change to

> attempt to improve patient care? Should I start using PASGs again? Stop

> acknowledging the existence of EZ-IOs?

>

> Or do they know all there is to know about medicine? Do they even know

> everything they knew coming out of their EMT course?

>

> If they'd like to talk about the danger of the public receiving

> lower-quality EMS, let's talk about the danger caused by actually having

> people with

> this kind of attitude practicing.

>

> I'd also like to know why they think they're so special that they're above

> the rules. I pay my dues just like I expect everyone else to. Why are they

> exempt?

>

> So, yes... I'd LOVE to hear their side of the story.

>

> Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B

>

> Sent from the itty bitty keyboard on my iPhone

>

> On Jul 2, 2010, at 8:30 PM, McGee

_summedic@...<_summedic%40yahoo.com>_

>

> (mailto:summedic@... ) > wrote:

>

> > ...and then they wonder why people dont consider us professionals or

> take us seriously.

> >

> >

> > McGee, EMT-P, EMT-T

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > _http://www.thebostonchannel.com/mostpopular/24102325/detail.html_

> (http://www.thebostonchannel.com/mostpopular/24102325/detail.html)

> > >

> > > BOSTON -- Beginning July 1, more than 200 emergency medical

> > > technicians will not be making emergency calls. They've been suspended

> > > for anywhere from 45 days to nine months for falsely claiming they

> > > took certification refresher courses.

> > >

> > > The state said it came down hard to send a message and protect public

> > > safety, but two EMTs said the move is unfair and dangerous.

> > >

> > > Kim is a state emergency technician. She's been suspended for nine

> > > months for allegedly falsifying certification class attendance. She

> > > says if she broke the law, she should be punished.

> > >

> > > " But a nine-month suspension? I've lost my job and my health

> > > insurance. I don't now what I am going to do, " said Kim.

> > >

> > > She said the harsh punishment of EMTs is unfair, especially because

> > > she believes the refresher courses they're required to take have no

> > > bearing on competence and knowledge.

> > >

> > > " The refresher course just repeats everything. We didn't put you at

> > > harm, " Kim said.

> > >

> > > Terry Urekew is a part-time paramedic who was not on the penalty list,

> > > but she believes the state has done an injustice to her colleagues.

> > >

> > > " So if it's fraud, slap them. Give everyone a $100 fine and community

> > > service, " said Urekew. " Don't take someone's livelihood away from

> > > something that has no impact on whether or not we are better EMTs, "

> > > she said.

> > >

> > > Urekew said the state never gave the EMTs a chance to tell their side

> > > of the story. But the Department of Health commissioner said they have

> > > the legal right to appeal their case and believes their punishment

> > > fits the crime.

> > >

> > > " I hope the strong stance we've taken will send a message to those who

> > > might be considering disobeying the rules of their profession that

> > > it's important to be in compliance, " said commissioner Auerbach.

> > > " EMTs and paramedics and docs and dentists who take training seriously

> > > are eager to defend training as a way to assure that the public gets

> > > the very best care, " he said.

> > >

> > > But Kim and Urekew said the real public safety concern starts on July

> > > 1 when fewer EMTs are available.

> > >

> > > " You are forcing the remaining EMTs to work longer hours, and people

> > > just taken out of EMT classes are on the road quicker without proper

> > > training, " said Kim.

> > >

> > > " Do you want me working on your mother who is having a heart attack in

> > > hour 87 of my 90 hour week? " said Urekew. " Do you want that? That's

> > > what you are going to get. There are not enough people to fill the

> > > gaps, " she said.

> > >

> > > Auerbach disagreed.

> > >

> > > " We have no evidence that public safety is at risk because of the

> > > suspension of 211 EMTs. There are 23,000 EMT's in the state, " said

> > > Auerbach. " We haven't received a single call from anyone expressing

> > > the slightest bit of concern about having sufficient EMTs and

> > > paramedics, " he said.

> > >

> > > The EMTs said they were also frustrated that many of the penalized

> > > workers still had other jobs, including the firefighters. But many

> > > other EMTs won't have any income beginning Thursday.

> > >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

after reading the article i do believe they didnt take the refresher because

there are no new changes being taught, hence why it is called a refresher. the

course just goes over the same material. however it still is no excuse to not

take it.

-----

Sent from my Boost.

[Guest guest]

.... So nothing has changed in emergency medicine in the last three years?

NOTHING? No new material?

So I need to start using pressure points? Because I wasn't even taught them.

(I use this as an example because I know some FDs that still frown upon

tourniquet use.)

Not that I feel strongly on the subject of people faking their certifications,

and lying about being EMTs, or anything...

Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B

Sent from the itty bitty keyboard on my iPhone

> after reading the article i do believe they didnt take the refresher because

there are no new changes being taught, hence why it is called a refresher. the

course just goes over the same material. however it still is no excuse to not

take it.

> -----

> Sent from my Boost.

>

>

[Guest guest]

.... So nothing has changed in emergency medicine in the last three years?

NOTHING? No new material?

So I need to start using pressure points? Because I wasn't even taught them.

(I use this as an example because I know some FDs that still frown upon

tourniquet use.)

Not that I feel strongly on the subject of people faking their certifications,

and lying about being EMTs, or anything...

Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B

Sent from the itty bitty keyboard on my iPhone

> after reading the article i do believe they didnt take the refresher because

there are no new changes being taught, hence why it is called a refresher. the

course just goes over the same material. however it still is no excuse to not

take it.

> -----

> Sent from my Boost.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh please! I don't disagree that " refreshers are and can be a bore so

freaking what? If that's the rule it's the rule I know you're not

making excuses but in a way we do just that if we make the statement

like that. Fixing the problem is an option cheating and out right

fraud are not. Period

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typos.

(Cell)

LNMolino@...

> after reading the article i do believe they didnt take the refresher

> because there are no new changes being taught, hence why it is

> called a refresher. the course just goes over the same material.

> however it still is no excuse to not take it.

> -----

> Sent from my Boost.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Alyssa the problem is LAZY INSTRUCTORS who use canned powerPoints and

parrot the same crap year after year. It's not just a US problem I

have a Client in Asia that for 5 years had gotten the same 24 hour

training program for the same 50 industrial Responders. Granted it's

BLS but even BLS can be made interesting.

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

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Please excuse any typos.

(Cell)

LNMolino@...

> ... So nothing has changed in emergency medicine in the last three

> years?

>

> NOTHING? No new material?

>

> So I need to start using pressure points? Because I wasn't even

> taught them.

>

> (I use this as an example because I know some FDs that still frown

> upon tourniquet use.)

>

> Not that I feel strongly on the subject of people faking their

> certifications, and lying about being EMTs, or anything...

>

> Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B

>

> Sent from the itty bitty keyboard on my iPhone

>

>

>

> > after reading the article i do believe they didnt take the

> refresher because there are no new changes being taught, hence why

> it is called a refresher. the course just goes over the same

> material. however it still is no excuse to not take it.

> > -----

> > Sent from my Boost.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Alyssa the problem is LAZY INSTRUCTORS who use canned powerPoints and

parrot the same crap year after year. It's not just a US problem I

have a Client in Asia that for 5 years had gotten the same 24 hour

training program for the same 50 industrial Responders. Granted it's

BLS but even BLS can be made interesting.

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

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(Cell)

LNMolino@...

> ... So nothing has changed in emergency medicine in the last three

> years?

>

> NOTHING? No new material?

>

> So I need to start using pressure points? Because I wasn't even

> taught them.

>

> (I use this as an example because I know some FDs that still frown

> upon tourniquet use.)

>

> Not that I feel strongly on the subject of people faking their

> certifications, and lying about being EMTs, or anything...

>

> Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B

>

> Sent from the itty bitty keyboard on my iPhone

>

>

>

> > after reading the article i do believe they didnt take the

> refresher because there are no new changes being taught, hence why

> it is called a refresher. the course just goes over the same

> material. however it still is no excuse to not take it.

> > -----

> > Sent from my Boost.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I completely agree Louis. We all know what is expected of us to retain our

certifications. We were taught in our respective classes the number and type of

continuing education hours that would be required for recertifucation. It is

not a case of their state governing body sprining something new on these medics

at the last minute, they knew well in advance, what was expected of them. For

them to attempt to circumvent their states regulations is unforgivable, and

clearly shows the level of dishonesty some people will stoop to. This is a very

sad situation, but I hope that it serves as a wake up call for all the rest of

our collegues.

Sent from my iPhone,

McGee, EMT-P, EMT-T

Oh please! I don't disagree that " refreshers are and can be a bore so

freaking what? If that's the rule it's the rule I know you're not

making excuses but in a way we do just that if we make the statement

like that. Fixing the problem is an option cheating and out right

fraud are not. Period

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

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(Cell)

LNMolino@...

> after reading the article i do believe they didnt take the refresher

> because there are no new changes being taught, hence why it is

> called a refresher. the course just goes over the same material.

> however it still is no excuse to not take it.

> -----

> Sent from my Boost.

>

>

[Guest guest]

well i am not saying there have not been changes. we all know there have been.

but most refresher courses do not cover changes, just mostly the same material

that was covered in the initial certification course.

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[Guest guest]

So that gives a person the right to cheat? Commit fraud and ciliate

every ethics code known?

Not.

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

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LNMolino@...

> well i am not saying there have not been changes. we all know there

> have been. but most refresher courses do not cover changes, just

> mostly the same material that was covered in the initial

> certification course.

> -----

> Sent from my Boost.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ya know, we knew coming into EMS that there were some stupid bureaucratic rules.

Part of the price of admission is that we agree to play by those rules. Why?

Because we are in a position of public trust. Joe Citizen trusts us to walk into

their home at their most vulnerable moments when they are critically ill or

injured.

If you don't like the refresher course and how it's run, fix the problem.

And for the record, if you think EMS continuing education is painful, try

continuing legal education.

Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, NREMT-P/Lic.P.

Austin, Texas

Sent from my iPhone

> well i am not saying there have not been changes. we all know there have been.

but most refresher courses do not cover changes, just mostly the same material

that was covered in the initial certification course.

> -----

> Sent from my Boost.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I completely agree.

Given, of course, that the unionized medics (FD, etc) get treated the same

way that the folks working for the private services....

ck

In a message dated 7/4/2010 01:25:49 Central Daylight Time,

wegandy1938@... writes:

My advice to the MA medics who are getting slapped: GET OVER YOURSELVES!

You did it to yourselves; you knew it was wrong, and you didn't give a damn.

Let this be your opportunity to either redefine yourselves as true

professionals, or for God's sake go get a Home Depot application and fill it

out.

This might be the perfect time for a career change.

[Guest guest]

On Saturday, July 3, 2010 22:50, " Wes Ogilvie " wes.ogilvie@...> said:

> If you don't like the refresher course and how it's run, fix the problem.

Or, to quote a great thinker...

“If you think education is expensive, try ignorance†- Bok

[Guest guest]

Grrrrr. I have some choice words for folks who " teach " refresher courses and do

not cover changes that have occurred and recent trends in treatment.

It seems to me there are at least two factors at work here:

1. Lazy instructors who haven't the knowledge or professionalism to stay

abreast of standards of care themselves and who use canned PowerPoints to bore

their students to death (Death By PowerPoint).

2. Lazy and unprofessional medics who (a) have not themselves kept abreast of

trends and changes, all of which are readily available on the Internet and in

the journal articles, and ( who go to a refresher course expecting to sit

there, open their little beaks, and have momma bird drop the worm of knowledge

in them.

We spend hours debating the definitions of " licensed paramedics " and " licensed

professionals, " and the current problems with cheating and dull refreshers only

point out what I have been saying all along. A true professional, regardless of

his level of education, degree, license, or certification, is a self-learner, a

constant learner, a never-satisfied learner, and a voracious learner.

We can all point to EMTs and paramedics who we know act like professionals, and

we all have a bushel basket of names of medics who just don't give a s**t.

I often get the whining excuse from medics who are calling me up at the last

minute to try to find a refresher or some other course they must have, and

invariably, when I ask them why they waited, they go into defensive mode,

recounting all the competing things in their lives that take precedence over

staying professional.

But, you know, the greatest achievers I have known did it in spite of all those

distractions and along with them.

My advice to the MA medics who are getting slapped: GET OVER YOURSELVES! You

did it to yourselves; you knew it was wrong, and you didn't give a damn. Let

this be your opportunity to either redefine yourselves as true professionals, or

for God's sake go get a Home Depot application and fill it out. This might be

the perfect time for a career change.

GG

GG

Re: Re: EMTs: Fake Certification Punishment Unfair

well i am not saying there have not been changes. we all know there have been.

but most refresher courses do not cover changes, just mostly the same material

that was covered in the initial certification course.

-----

Sent from my Boost.

[Guest guest]

Well, that's fantasy land, I grant you.

It will be interesting to see how the unions respond to this.

GG

Re: EMTs: Fake Certification Punishment Unfair

I completely agree.

Given, of course, that the unionized medics (FD, etc) get treated the same

way that the folks working for the private services....

ck

In a message dated 7/4/2010 01:25:49 Central Daylight Time,

wegandy1938@... writes:

My advice to the MA medics who are getting slapped: GET OVER YOURSELVES!

You did it to yourselves; you knew it was wrong, and you didn't give a damn.

Let this be your opportunity to either redefine yourselves as true

professionals, or for God's sake go get a Home Depot application and fill it

out.

This might be the perfect time for a career change.