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My suggestion would be to call a vet and ask those questions. I hope

she enjoys her new friend - I LOVE it that she did that!!

Love Lana

> A question completely off topic...

>

> My daughter rescued a dog from the animal shelter; a brussels

graffon.

> Mona is a ten pound, ten year old purebred and has cateracts and is

almost

> completely blind, is half deaf, has (sadly) had her voice box

removed; has

> osteoarthritis in the hips and has now developed some kind of

allergy.

>

> The groomer suggested that the dog take Glusimine Choldrate; does

anyone

> know how much and how to give it?

>

> Also can dogs take Benydryl?

>

> Any other tips to help with cateracts?

>

> Thanks in advance.

>

>

>

>

> Pictures of a brussels graffon:

>

> http://www.dogbiz.com/dogs-grp5/brussels-griffon/brussels-

griffon.htm

>

> http://www.breedersclub.net/html/breeds/brusselsgriffon.htm

>

> http://www.dogs-in-canada.com/breeds/griffon_(brussels).html

>

> http://www.belgiandogs.org/famgriffon.htm

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My suggestion would be to call a vet and ask those questions. I hope

she enjoys her new friend - I LOVE it that she did that!!

Love Lana

> A question completely off topic...

>

> My daughter rescued a dog from the animal shelter; a brussels

graffon.

> Mona is a ten pound, ten year old purebred and has cateracts and is

almost

> completely blind, is half deaf, has (sadly) had her voice box

removed; has

> osteoarthritis in the hips and has now developed some kind of

allergy.

>

> The groomer suggested that the dog take Glusimine Choldrate; does

anyone

> know how much and how to give it?

>

> Also can dogs take Benydryl?

>

> Any other tips to help with cateracts?

>

> Thanks in advance.

>

>

>

>

> Pictures of a brussels graffon:

>

> http://www.dogbiz.com/dogs-grp5/brussels-griffon/brussels-

griffon.htm

>

> http://www.breedersclub.net/html/breeds/brusselsgriffon.htm

>

> http://www.dogs-in-canada.com/breeds/griffon_(brussels).html

>

> http://www.belgiandogs.org/famgriffon.htm

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Yes Dogs can have Benadryl, and the Glucosamine -Chondroitin, pepto bismol, and

Tylenol too. Sorry I don't know the amounts. Perhaps you can do a search on

goggle.

http://www.glucosamine-arthritis.org/arthritis-pets/glucosamine-chondroitin-dog-\

arthritis.html This will get you started.

There is an exalent dog food called Professional. It has all the stuff for the

bones in it. My 11 year old dog immediately felt better when I changed to it.

She stopped limping and licking her paws. It is human grade dog food.

http://www.petfooddirect.com/store/dept.asp?dept_id=1&brand_id=663

There are a few stores that carry it, or you can have it sent to your home.

Cindylouwho

OT dog question

A question completely off topic...

My daughter rescued a dog from the animal shelter; a brussels graffon.

Mona is a ten pound, ten year old purebred and has cateracts and is almost

completely blind, is half deaf, has (sadly) had her voice box removed; has

osteoarthritis in the hips and has now developed some kind of allergy.

The groomer suggested that the dog take Glusimine Choldrate; does anyone

know how much and how to give it?

Also can dogs take Benydryl?

Any other tips to help with cateracts?

Thanks in advance.

Pictures of a brussels graffon:

http://www.dogbiz.com/dogs-grp5/brussels-griffon/brussels-griffon.htm

http://www.breedersclub.net/html/breeds/brusselsgriffon.htm

http://www.dogs-in-canada.com/breeds/griffon_(brussels).html

http://www.belgiandogs.org/famgriffon.htm

To learn more about EDS, visit our website: http://www.ehlersdanlos.ca

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Yes Dogs can have Benadryl, and the Glucosamine -Chondroitin, pepto bismol, and

Tylenol too. Sorry I don't know the amounts. Perhaps you can do a search on

goggle.

http://www.glucosamine-arthritis.org/arthritis-pets/glucosamine-chondroitin-dog-\

arthritis.html This will get you started.

There is an exalent dog food called Professional. It has all the stuff for the

bones in it. My 11 year old dog immediately felt better when I changed to it.

She stopped limping and licking her paws. It is human grade dog food.

http://www.petfooddirect.com/store/dept.asp?dept_id=1&brand_id=663

There are a few stores that carry it, or you can have it sent to your home.

Cindylouwho

OT dog question

A question completely off topic...

My daughter rescued a dog from the animal shelter; a brussels graffon.

Mona is a ten pound, ten year old purebred and has cateracts and is almost

completely blind, is half deaf, has (sadly) had her voice box removed; has

osteoarthritis in the hips and has now developed some kind of allergy.

The groomer suggested that the dog take Glusimine Choldrate; does anyone

know how much and how to give it?

Also can dogs take Benydryl?

Any other tips to help with cateracts?

Thanks in advance.

Pictures of a brussels graffon:

http://www.dogbiz.com/dogs-grp5/brussels-griffon/brussels-griffon.htm

http://www.breedersclub.net/html/breeds/brusselsgriffon.htm

http://www.dogs-in-canada.com/breeds/griffon_(brussels).html

http://www.belgiandogs.org/famgriffon.htm

To learn more about EDS, visit our website: http://www.ehlersdanlos.ca

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Yes Dogs can have Benadryl, and the Glucosamine -Chondroitin, pepto bismol, and

Tylenol too. Sorry I don't know the amounts. Perhaps you can do a search on

goggle.

http://www.glucosamine-arthritis.org/arthritis-pets/glucosamine-chondroitin-dog-\

arthritis.html This will get you started.

There is an exalent dog food called Professional. It has all the stuff for the

bones in it. My 11 year old dog immediately felt better when I changed to it.

She stopped limping and licking her paws. It is human grade dog food.

http://www.petfooddirect.com/store/dept.asp?dept_id=1&brand_id=663

There are a few stores that carry it, or you can have it sent to your home.

Cindylouwho

OT dog question

A question completely off topic...

My daughter rescued a dog from the animal shelter; a brussels graffon.

Mona is a ten pound, ten year old purebred and has cateracts and is almost

completely blind, is half deaf, has (sadly) had her voice box removed; has

osteoarthritis in the hips and has now developed some kind of allergy.

The groomer suggested that the dog take Glusimine Choldrate; does anyone

know how much and how to give it?

Also can dogs take Benydryl?

Any other tips to help with cateracts?

Thanks in advance.

Pictures of a brussels graffon:

http://www.dogbiz.com/dogs-grp5/brussels-griffon/brussels-griffon.htm

http://www.breedersclub.net/html/breeds/brusselsgriffon.htm

http://www.dogs-in-canada.com/breeds/griffon_(brussels).html

http://www.belgiandogs.org/famgriffon.htm

To learn more about EDS, visit our website: http://www.ehlersdanlos.ca

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In a message dated 8/24/2004 7:16:20 AM Pacific Standard Time,

laxity@... writes:

The groomer suggested that the dog take Glusimine Choldrate; does anyone

know how much and how to give it?

I take a gelatin capsule and take it apart and dump the powder on my dog's

food. You can't OD on glucosamine (and the chondroitin part isn't really needed

either...the molecules are too large for humans or dogs to utilize). Many

pet shops also have powder formulas to put on food too. Rather than resort to

Benedryl, it's better to figure out the allergy....most common allergy is

foods, especially the corn in the grocery store brands. Nature's Recipe makes a

great allergy formula, but it takes a few weeks even to see real results as the

toxins leave the system. Other top brands for pet health are Solid Gold and

Canidae and California Natural. Mine do great also on Nutro Natural and

Chicken Soup for the Dog Lover's. Other allergies can be grass, fleas, flea

products themselves, air fresheners, carpet sprays, lawn treatment services,

etc. I

don't use ANY chemical cleaning products or pet products at all in my home, me

& our little yorkie mix are terribly allergic too. I also add digestive

enzymes and a yeast control powder to their foods, as they can suffer from those

same aliments as we EDSers often do. I use the same products we use, just one

less spoonful or capsule.

Liza

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I see most of your questions have already been answered, but I wanted

to point out that the allergy could be a food allergy. I have this

problem with my English bulldog, and many dogs are allergic to corn,

soy, and wheat, which tend to be the fillers in most dog foods. Once

I put Zoe (also a rescue) on a food without these ingredients, she

became MUCH healthier!! If you are interested in more info on this,

such as food brands (many are no more expensive than brands like

Purina or Eukanuba) or websites with more info, email me off-list at

jmnycricket22@... ) If you suspect the allergy isn't food

related, there is an allergy blood test that can be done at your

vet's office.

> and has now developed some kind of allergy.

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> The groomer suggested that the dog take Glusimine Choldrate; does

anyone know how much and how to give it?

G&C is dosed by weight. JBPet http://www.jbpet.com/ sells

glucosamine tablets and a glucosamine liquid that you can pour over

a dog's food. They recommend:

1 tablet = 500 mg Glucosamine and 400 mg chondroitin

Dose = 1 Tablet per day for dogs up to 25 lbs, 2 for dogs 26-50 lbs,

3 for dogs 50-100 lbs, 4 for dogs over 100 lbs.

You can give a dog the human tablets for Glucosamine. We find that

pushing the pill inside a hot dog works well for giving them to

Sherlock. He knows the sound of the pill bottle and comes running

for the weiner. Sherlock also takes human Ecotrin coated aspirin

for pain. We also buy JB's liguid glucosamine to pour on his food

in the morning.

-Barb

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> The groomer suggested that the dog take Glusimine Choldrate; does

anyone know how much and how to give it?

G&C is dosed by weight. JBPet http://www.jbpet.com/ sells

glucosamine tablets and a glucosamine liquid that you can pour over

a dog's food. They recommend:

1 tablet = 500 mg Glucosamine and 400 mg chondroitin

Dose = 1 Tablet per day for dogs up to 25 lbs, 2 for dogs 26-50 lbs,

3 for dogs 50-100 lbs, 4 for dogs over 100 lbs.

You can give a dog the human tablets for Glucosamine. We find that

pushing the pill inside a hot dog works well for giving them to

Sherlock. He knows the sound of the pill bottle and comes running

for the weiner. Sherlock also takes human Ecotrin coated aspirin

for pain. We also buy JB's liguid glucosamine to pour on his food

in the morning.

-Barb

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> > The groomer suggested that the dog take Glusimine Choldrate; does

> anyone know how much and how to give it?

From this article on the I village site:

" The recommended daily starting dose of glucosamine is 1,000 to 1,500

mg for a 50 to 100 pound dog. The recommend daily starting dose of

chondroitin is 800 to 1200 mg for a 50 to 100 pound dog "

Most of this stuff is sold together. Ie a glucosamine & chondroitin

tablet containing both ingredients. So in that case, if a 50 lb dog

can get 1000 mg of G and 1000mg of chondroitin (they said 800 -

1200) then that's roughly 20mg per pound so for your 10lb I

would guesstimate a safe dosage would be 200mg. I

Before giving Mona anything I'd call to make sure with your vet.

When you do start her on it watch for any side effects. It takes a

few months to see benefits.

Yes, dogs can take benadryl, but why does she need it? Definitely

ask your vet about that one. Allergies can be dangerous. Little

dogs especially can be sensitive to meds so be extra careful OK?

I own two little guys and both react differently to meds.

Goodluck with the new furkid! You'll have to post photos soon! :-)

-Rhea

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> > The groomer suggested that the dog take Glusimine Choldrate; does

> anyone know how much and how to give it?

From this article on the I village site:

" The recommended daily starting dose of glucosamine is 1,000 to 1,500

mg for a 50 to 100 pound dog. The recommend daily starting dose of

chondroitin is 800 to 1200 mg for a 50 to 100 pound dog "

Most of this stuff is sold together. Ie a glucosamine & chondroitin

tablet containing both ingredients. So in that case, if a 50 lb dog

can get 1000 mg of G and 1000mg of chondroitin (they said 800 -

1200) then that's roughly 20mg per pound so for your 10lb I

would guesstimate a safe dosage would be 200mg. I

Before giving Mona anything I'd call to make sure with your vet.

When you do start her on it watch for any side effects. It takes a

few months to see benefits.

Yes, dogs can take benadryl, but why does she need it? Definitely

ask your vet about that one. Allergies can be dangerous. Little

dogs especially can be sensitive to meds so be extra careful OK?

I own two little guys and both react differently to meds.

Goodluck with the new furkid! You'll have to post photos soon! :-)

-Rhea

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> > The groomer suggested that the dog take Glusimine Choldrate; does

> anyone know how much and how to give it?

From this article on the I village site:

" The recommended daily starting dose of glucosamine is 1,000 to 1,500

mg for a 50 to 100 pound dog. The recommend daily starting dose of

chondroitin is 800 to 1200 mg for a 50 to 100 pound dog "

Most of this stuff is sold together. Ie a glucosamine & chondroitin

tablet containing both ingredients. So in that case, if a 50 lb dog

can get 1000 mg of G and 1000mg of chondroitin (they said 800 -

1200) then that's roughly 20mg per pound so for your 10lb I

would guesstimate a safe dosage would be 200mg. I

Before giving Mona anything I'd call to make sure with your vet.

When you do start her on it watch for any side effects. It takes a

few months to see benefits.

Yes, dogs can take benadryl, but why does she need it? Definitely

ask your vet about that one. Allergies can be dangerous. Little

dogs especially can be sensitive to meds so be extra careful OK?

I own two little guys and both react differently to meds.

Goodluck with the new furkid! You'll have to post photos soon! :-)

-Rhea

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Rhea, I found this online:

Subject: " human OTC medicines for pet ( dog ) consumption "

Category: Family and Home > Pets

Asked by: cathyg-ga

List Price: $5.00 Posted: 23 Jun 2002 14:26 PDT

Expires: 30 Jun 2002 14:26 PDT

Question ID: 32022

I was wondering what human OTC medicines are safe for use in dogs. i

know that kaopektake and imodiam can be used safely and have used

these successfully with my dog. She is a pit bull/boxer mix and

weighs about 55 lbs. i did read in a dog book that aspirin can be

safely used for dogs, but i was wondering about other pain relievers

such as Tylenol, and the NSAIDS such as ibuprofen. the purpose would

be for minor joint strains.

Answer

Subject: Re: " human OTC medicines for pet ( dog ) consumption "

Answered By: knowledge_seeker-ga on 23 Jun 2002 19:49 PDT

Hi cathyg,

I see this question is still unanswered after several hours and I can

see why. It's pretty dicey for an internet researcher to be giving

you information that may cause you to administer medication to your

dog that may be inappropriate or even dangerous. As you know, Google

Researchers are not allowed to give medical advice and that would

apply to veterinary advice as well.

I will answer your question with the hope that you will put the safety

of your pet before trying to save a few dollars by diagnosing and

treating her yourself. Please!

Here's the issue. Even if veterinarians routinely dispense certain OTC

medication to dogs, you have no way to diagnose WHICH of those

medications your dog should have. You mention for example, " minor

joint strains. " How are you able to diagnose this? This is something

that only a veterinarian can do accurately. The same applies to a

digestive disorder. If your dog suffers from diarrhea and you

administer Imodium, you may be hiding or even exacerbating a problem

that needs to be addressed in a different way. Most importantly, you

have no way to determine the correct dose for your dog. What is OK for

a 55 lb child may not be safe for a 55lb dog.

That said, here's the answer to your question--

The following quotes are all from the American Veterinary Medical

Association:

http://www.avma.org/pubhlth/poisgde.asp#drugs

" Animal poisoning by drugs is by far the most common type of small

animal poison exposure, accounting for 75% of 1990 toxin exposures as

reported by the AAPCC and 82 of 425 fatalities. "

ACETAMINOPHEN (Tylenol)

" Dogs (particularly small dogs) are also susceptible to significant

tissue damage from as little as two regular strength Tylenol and

repeated doses increase the risk significantly. Signs develop quickly

and can include salivation, vomiting, weakness and abdominal pain. "

" Due to the significant toxicity to pets in relatively minimal

dosages, the recommendation is clear — Tylenol should not be given to

dogs or cats. "

ASPIRIN, IBUPROFEN, PHENYLBUTAZONE, NAPROXEN (NSAID toxicity)

" ...NSAID's (non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs) and are widely

prescribed with caution by veterinarians to relieve pain from

arthritis and other conditions. Animal dosages, however, are much

lower than human dosages. Use of NSAID's can significantly increase

the risk for development of stomach or intestinal ulcers, particularly

in a sick patient, or one receiving other medications... Two regular

strength aspirin in a small dog can cause clinical signs of

poisoning... "

" Any medications need to be discussed with and prescribed by a

veterinarian prior to giving them to your pet to avoid an inadvertent

and tragic poisoning. "

This is the information you asked for. I hope that you'll take care

with your dog and be sure to seek veterinary advice before

administering any kind of medication to her.

>

> > > The groomer suggested that the dog take Glusimine Choldrate;

does

> > anyone know how much and how to give it?

>

> From this article on the I village site:

> " The recommended daily starting dose of glucosamine is 1,000 to

1,500

> mg for a 50 to 100 pound dog. The recommend daily starting dose of

> chondroitin is 800 to 1200 mg for a 50 to 100 pound dog "

>

> Most of this stuff is sold together. Ie a glucosamine &

chondroitin

> tablet containing both ingredients. So in that case, if a 50 lb

dog

> can get 1000 mg of G and 1000mg of chondroitin (they said 800 -

> 1200) then that's roughly 20mg per pound so for your 10lb I

> would guesstimate a safe dosage would be 200mg. I

>

> Before giving Mona anything I'd call to make sure with your vet.

> When you do start her on it watch for any side effects. It takes a

> few months to see benefits.

>

> Yes, dogs can take benadryl, but why does she need it? Definitely

> ask your vet about that one. Allergies can be dangerous. Little

> dogs especially can be sensitive to meds so be extra careful OK?

>

> I own two little guys and both react differently to meds.

>

> Goodluck with the new furkid! You'll have to post photos soon! :-)

>

> -Rhea

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SORRY RHEA, I meant it to go to who asked the question - Laxity I

believe! OOPS!

Forgive please?

Love Lana

> >

> > > > The groomer suggested that the dog take Glusimine Choldrate;

> does

> > > anyone know how much and how to give it?

> >

> > From this article on the I village site:

> > " The recommended daily starting dose of glucosamine is 1,000 to

> 1,500

> > mg for a 50 to 100 pound dog. The recommend daily starting dose

of

> > chondroitin is 800 to 1200 mg for a 50 to 100 pound dog "

> >

> > Most of this stuff is sold together. Ie a glucosamine &

> chondroitin

> > tablet containing both ingredients. So in that case, if a 50 lb

> dog

> > can get 1000 mg of G and 1000mg of chondroitin (they said 800 -

> > 1200) then that's roughly 20mg per pound so for your 10lb

I

> > would guesstimate a safe dosage would be 200mg. I

> >

> > Before giving Mona anything I'd call to make sure with your vet.

> > When you do start her on it watch for any side effects. It takes

a

> > few months to see benefits.

> >

> > Yes, dogs can take benadryl, but why does she need it?

Definitely

> > ask your vet about that one. Allergies can be dangerous. Little

> > dogs especially can be sensitive to meds so be extra careful OK?

> >

> > I own two little guys and both react differently to meds.

> >

> > Goodluck with the new furkid! You'll have to post photos soon! :-

)

> >

> > -Rhea

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SORRY RHEA, I meant it to go to who asked the question - Laxity I

believe! OOPS!

Forgive please?

Love Lana

> >

> > > > The groomer suggested that the dog take Glusimine Choldrate;

> does

> > > anyone know how much and how to give it?

> >

> > From this article on the I village site:

> > " The recommended daily starting dose of glucosamine is 1,000 to

> 1,500

> > mg for a 50 to 100 pound dog. The recommend daily starting dose

of

> > chondroitin is 800 to 1200 mg for a 50 to 100 pound dog "

> >

> > Most of this stuff is sold together. Ie a glucosamine &

> chondroitin

> > tablet containing both ingredients. So in that case, if a 50 lb

> dog

> > can get 1000 mg of G and 1000mg of chondroitin (they said 800 -

> > 1200) then that's roughly 20mg per pound so for your 10lb

I

> > would guesstimate a safe dosage would be 200mg. I

> >

> > Before giving Mona anything I'd call to make sure with your vet.

> > When you do start her on it watch for any side effects. It takes

a

> > few months to see benefits.

> >

> > Yes, dogs can take benadryl, but why does she need it?

Definitely

> > ask your vet about that one. Allergies can be dangerous. Little

> > dogs especially can be sensitive to meds so be extra careful OK?

> >

> > I own two little guys and both react differently to meds.

> >

> > Goodluck with the new furkid! You'll have to post photos soon! :-

)

> >

> > -Rhea

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SORRY RHEA, I meant it to go to who asked the question - Laxity I

believe! OOPS!

Forgive please?

Love Lana

> >

> > > > The groomer suggested that the dog take Glusimine Choldrate;

> does

> > > anyone know how much and how to give it?

> >

> > From this article on the I village site:

> > " The recommended daily starting dose of glucosamine is 1,000 to

> 1,500

> > mg for a 50 to 100 pound dog. The recommend daily starting dose

of

> > chondroitin is 800 to 1200 mg for a 50 to 100 pound dog "

> >

> > Most of this stuff is sold together. Ie a glucosamine &

> chondroitin

> > tablet containing both ingredients. So in that case, if a 50 lb

> dog

> > can get 1000 mg of G and 1000mg of chondroitin (they said 800 -

> > 1200) then that's roughly 20mg per pound so for your 10lb

I

> > would guesstimate a safe dosage would be 200mg. I

> >

> > Before giving Mona anything I'd call to make sure with your vet.

> > When you do start her on it watch for any side effects. It takes

a

> > few months to see benefits.

> >

> > Yes, dogs can take benadryl, but why does she need it?

Definitely

> > ask your vet about that one. Allergies can be dangerous. Little

> > dogs especially can be sensitive to meds so be extra careful OK?

> >

> > I own two little guys and both react differently to meds.

> >

> > Goodluck with the new furkid! You'll have to post photos soon! :-

)

> >

> > -Rhea

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Also, see this site:

http://www.canismajor.com/dog/nsaids.html

Love Lana

> A question completely off topic...

>

> My daughter rescued a dog from the animal shelter; a brussels

graffon.

> Mona is a ten pound, ten year old purebred and has cateracts and is

almost

> completely blind, is half deaf, has (sadly) had her voice box

removed; has

> osteoarthritis in the hips and has now developed some kind of

allergy.

>

> The groomer suggested that the dog take Glusimine Choldrate; does

anyone

> know how much and how to give it?

>

> Also can dogs take Benydryl?

>

> Any other tips to help with cateracts?

>

> Thanks in advance.

>

>

>

>

> Pictures of a brussels graffon:

>

> http://www.dogbiz.com/dogs-grp5/brussels-griffon/brussels-

griffon.htm

>

> http://www.breedersclub.net/html/breeds/brusselsgriffon.htm

>

> http://www.dogs-in-canada.com/breeds/griffon_(brussels).html

>

> http://www.belgiandogs.org/famgriffon.htm

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Thanks for the suggestion Lana.

I love it too; and am very proud of her.

On 8/24/04 8:38 AM, " ceda " ceda > wrote:

>

> Subject: Re: OT dog question

>

> My suggestion would be to call a vet and ask those questions. I hope

> she enjoys her new friend - I LOVE it that she did that!!

>

> Love Lana

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Thanks for all the generous replies concerning my daughters dog's medical

issues. I have forwarded the messages on to her. I, myself, know next to

nothing about dogs. You can sure tell that there are a lot of dog lovers on

this list!!

Thanks again!! :)

On 8/24/04 12:13 PM, " ceda " ceda > wrote:

> Subject: Re: OT dog question

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Thanks for all the generous replies concerning my daughters dog's medical

issues. I have forwarded the messages on to her. I, myself, know next to

nothing about dogs. You can sure tell that there are a lot of dog lovers on

this list!!

Thanks again!! :)

On 8/24/04 12:13 PM, " ceda " ceda > wrote:

> Subject: Re: OT dog question

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