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Hi Joyce

I only get the odd muscle cramps at night now, but I used to get

them all the time after a good walk. My chiropractor showed my some

leg stretches to do immediately after walking, which help. Ask your

physio or chiro or massage therapist for advice, as it's kind of hard

to describe them in words.

Secondly, when the cramps were really bad, I found it helped to

take a muscle relaxant (Robaxisal or Robaxacet; they are available

over the counter in Canada; don't know about in the U.S.) right after

exercising, so that the muscles didn't have time to seize up. Of

course, this masks the problem, but after awhile I found that just

stretching would do the trick and I didn't have to take them any more.

Now I only take one if I get really bad attacks at night and can't sleep.

Third suggestion, make sure your calcium intake is sufficient.

Good luck,

n

rBHR Oct.3002 McMinn

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Joyce and n,

Don't mean to step into a conversation where I don't belong, but

there's a fourth thing to do for leg cramps... and that's to make

sure you're getting enough water.

Alan

> Hi Joyce

> I only get the odd muscle cramps at night now, but I used to get

> them all the time after a good walk. My chiropractor showed my some

> leg stretches to do immediately after walking, which help. Ask your

> physio or chiro or massage therapist for advice, as it's kind of

hard

> to describe them in words.

> Secondly, when the cramps were really bad, I found it helped to

> take a muscle relaxant (Robaxisal or Robaxacet; they are available

> over the counter in Canada; don't know about in the U.S.) right

after

> exercising, so that the muscles didn't have time to seize up. Of

> course, this masks the problem, but after awhile I found that just

> stretching would do the trick and I didn't have to take them any

more.

> Now I only take one if I get really bad attacks at night and can't

sleep.

> Third suggestion, make sure your calcium intake is sufficient.

> Good luck,

> n

> rBHR Oct.3002 McMinn

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Hi Alan,

No need to apologize; of course you belong in this conversation!

Anything posted to the board is open to anyone to respond to;

otherwise I would have sent Joyce a private message.

Your suggestion about drinking lots of water is a very good one.

I'm always trying to remember to do that. Also, some of the fluids

should be juice, milk, or other non-caffeine, non-carbonated

beverages, so that you don't deplete all your electrolytes or

whatever. Some people get sick from drinking too MUCH distilled water.

n

> Don't mean to step into a conversation where I don't belong, but

> there's a fourth thing to do for leg cramps... and that's to make

> sure you're getting enough water.

>

> Alan

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Hi Alan,

No need to apologize; of course you belong in this conversation!

Anything posted to the board is open to anyone to respond to;

otherwise I would have sent Joyce a private message.

Your suggestion about drinking lots of water is a very good one.

I'm always trying to remember to do that. Also, some of the fluids

should be juice, milk, or other non-caffeine, non-carbonated

beverages, so that you don't deplete all your electrolytes or

whatever. Some people get sick from drinking too MUCH distilled water.

n

> Don't mean to step into a conversation where I don't belong, but

> there's a fourth thing to do for leg cramps... and that's to make

> sure you're getting enough water.

>

> Alan

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From: Joyce Graves

To: surfacehippy

Sent: 7/5/2004 7:06:26 PM

Subject: RE: Re: Muscle cramps

Hey, folks -- I'm very glad to get your suggestions on these muscle cramps.

Alan, buddy, always glad to get your input -- and as n said,

everything posted to the board is for all of us to address. It would

tickle me to death if lots of people would contribute their experiences

with muscles cramps. AND lower back ache. The calcium and water

suggestions struck home with me. And, though so far I've gone it alone

vis-a-vis my rehab, I think it's wise that I now get some professional

assistance with this muscle stuff. For one thing, since I've moved to

Maine, I haven't been to the chiropractor or gotten a massage -- this week

I'm going to take care of that. Though I haven't used it recently, I know

that the cane makes a difference in this muscle cramping. Have you all

noticed that even with almost no " leaning " on the cane, it takes tremendous

stress off of the leg/hip? Anyway, anyone with any suggestions about

muscle cramping -- please post. What about the surgical site -- adhesions?

Could that be contributing? How does one know if that's an issue? Joyce

(Dr Gross, LHR, 2/2/04)

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Re: Muscle cramps

Hi Alan,

No need to apologize; of course you belong in this conversation!

Anything posted to the board is open to anyone to respond to;

otherwise I would have sent Joyce a private message.

Your suggestion about drinking lots of water is a very good one.

I'm always trying to remember to do that. Also, some of the fluids

should be juice, milk, or other non-caffeine, non-carbonated

beverages, so that you don't deplete all your electrolytes or

whatever. Some people get sick from drinking too MUCH distilled water.

n

> Don't mean to step into a conversation where I don't belong, but

> there's a fourth thing to do for leg cramps... and that's to make

> sure you're getting enough water.

>

> Alan

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From: Joyce Graves

To: surfacehippy

Sent: 7/5/2004 7:06:26 PM

Subject: RE: Re: Muscle cramps

Hey, folks -- I'm very glad to get your suggestions on these muscle cramps.

Alan, buddy, always glad to get your input -- and as n said,

everything posted to the board is for all of us to address. It would

tickle me to death if lots of people would contribute their experiences

with muscles cramps. AND lower back ache. The calcium and water

suggestions struck home with me. And, though so far I've gone it alone

vis-a-vis my rehab, I think it's wise that I now get some professional

assistance with this muscle stuff. For one thing, since I've moved to

Maine, I haven't been to the chiropractor or gotten a massage -- this week

I'm going to take care of that. Though I haven't used it recently, I know

that the cane makes a difference in this muscle cramping. Have you all

noticed that even with almost no " leaning " on the cane, it takes tremendous

stress off of the leg/hip? Anyway, anyone with any suggestions about

muscle cramping -- please post. What about the surgical site -- adhesions?

Could that be contributing? How does one know if that's an issue? Joyce

(Dr Gross, LHR, 2/2/04)

sungold518@...

Re: Muscle cramps

Hi Alan,

No need to apologize; of course you belong in this conversation!

Anything posted to the board is open to anyone to respond to;

otherwise I would have sent Joyce a private message.

Your suggestion about drinking lots of water is a very good one.

I'm always trying to remember to do that. Also, some of the fluids

should be juice, milk, or other non-caffeine, non-carbonated

beverages, so that you don't deplete all your electrolytes or

whatever. Some people get sick from drinking too MUCH distilled water.

n

> Don't mean to step into a conversation where I don't belong, but

> there's a fourth thing to do for leg cramps... and that's to make

> sure you're getting enough water.

>

> Alan

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Guys,

I went through a real bad cramping phase while surfing starting

at about age 38. I have a tri-athalon buddy who hooked me up with a

liquid mineral drink. I take a shot of it when I'm going to be

burning things up more than usual and it has done the trick for me.

I mean, I was getting hamstring cramps while out surfing on big

days, and that is no laughing matter. The secret sauce did the

trick.... even if it tastes like beetle dung.

Chris

> > Hi Joyce

> > I only get the odd muscle cramps at night now, but I used to

get

> > them all the time after a good walk. My chiropractor showed my

some

> > leg stretches to do immediately after walking, which help. Ask

your

> > physio or chiro or massage therapist for advice, as it's kind of

> hard

> > to describe them in words.

> > Secondly, when the cramps were really bad, I found it helped

to

> > take a muscle relaxant (Robaxisal or Robaxacet; they are

available

> > over the counter in Canada; don't know about in the U.S.) right

> after

> > exercising, so that the muscles didn't have time to seize up. Of

> > course, this masks the problem, but after awhile I found that

just

> > stretching would do the trick and I didn't have to take them any

> more.

> > Now I only take one if I get really bad attacks at night and

can't

> sleep.

> > Third suggestion, make sure your calcium intake is

sufficient.

> > Good luck,

> > n

> > rBHR Oct.3002 McMinn

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Guys,

I went through a real bad cramping phase while surfing starting

at about age 38. I have a tri-athalon buddy who hooked me up with a

liquid mineral drink. I take a shot of it when I'm going to be

burning things up more than usual and it has done the trick for me.

I mean, I was getting hamstring cramps while out surfing on big

days, and that is no laughing matter. The secret sauce did the

trick.... even if it tastes like beetle dung.

Chris

> > Hi Joyce

> > I only get the odd muscle cramps at night now, but I used to

get

> > them all the time after a good walk. My chiropractor showed my

some

> > leg stretches to do immediately after walking, which help. Ask

your

> > physio or chiro or massage therapist for advice, as it's kind of

> hard

> > to describe them in words.

> > Secondly, when the cramps were really bad, I found it helped

to

> > take a muscle relaxant (Robaxisal or Robaxacet; they are

available

> > over the counter in Canada; don't know about in the U.S.) right

> after

> > exercising, so that the muscles didn't have time to seize up. Of

> > course, this masks the problem, but after awhile I found that

just

> > stretching would do the trick and I didn't have to take them any

> more.

> > Now I only take one if I get really bad attacks at night and

can't

> sleep.

> > Third suggestion, make sure your calcium intake is

sufficient.

> > Good luck,

> > n

> > rBHR Oct.3002 McMinn

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Hi everyone. Here's what I think about muscles and cramps, for what

it's worth.

I have found in myself (and observed in others) that muscle cramps

occur mainly with fatigue. Even great athletes on good diets will

cramp up after running around on a muddy field for an hour. The

thing to remember is that fatigue is relative and certainly related

to prior training and diet. The point at which a muscle becomes

tired enough to cramp depends on your diet but (more importantly, I

feel) how well trained it is to deal with what you are putting it

through. Now this is where a whole bunch of other variables can

have an effect.

- A dietary supplement may be sufficient to prevent cramp in a tired

muscle. Also, it may not.

- You may get sore, aching muscles as an indication that you may

cramp up soon, but you may cramp up in muscles which aren't getting

sore (just because a muscle isn't getting sore, doesn't mean it's not

being fatigued).

- Different muscles attachments can affect a muscle likelihood of

cramping (eg, hamstrings cramp more than quadriceps do).

- A " whole muscle " doesn't have to be affected to cramp. When a

muscle contracts only the necessary bits (called motor units)

contract...the rest go along for the ride. Eg, if you lift 10 lbs, x

motor units may be required to contract...if you lift 20 lbs, twice

as many motor units may be required to contract and so on (that's why

you lift weights...so that as much of the muscle as possible actually

contracts). I wonder if it's the same with muscle cramps. The pain

of a cramp feels like it's going through the whole muscle but it may

well be just a few particularly cramp-susceptible motor units are

cramping. That may be a relief if you're worried about having lots

of cramps. It may actually be a small problem (although it won't

feel like it).

I'd say after a resurf, you'd be using muscles you haven't used for a

while, or that you've use differently for years (via a limp, etc) so,

they'll get tired very easily. They may be missing an important

nutrient if your wounds are still healing. Who knows.

I'd say by eating well (use supplements if you think they help) and

by getting stronger, the cramps should gradually fade away (unless

you're trying to increase your endurance and strength, in which case

your muscles will often be tired, but that's OK, because they'll

adapt eventually!).

On a related note, if you're still awake, I've thought about what

happens when one's backside muscles cut during a resurf. I reckon

that they'll heal well, because muscles have a good blood supply.

But there'd have to be some scar tissue at the cut site which would

be tough and inflexible. In effect, it would be as if you had two

separate muscles where once upon a time you had one. I reckon this

could have a significant effect on the way your butt muscle works,

and the muscles around it, and the connective tissues, and everything

else. Any thoughts (especially from our medics)?

Now if you'll excuse me my brain's cramping.

Tony

> > Hi Joyce

> > I only get the odd muscle cramps at night now, but I used to

get

> > them all the time after a good walk. My chiropractor showed my

some

> > leg stretches to do immediately after walking, which help. Ask

your

> > physio or chiro or massage therapist for advice, as it's kind of

> hard

> > to describe them in words.

> > Secondly, when the cramps were really bad, I found it helped

to

> > take a muscle relaxant (Robaxisal or Robaxacet; they are available

> > over the counter in Canada; don't know about in the U.S.) right

> after

> > exercising, so that the muscles didn't have time to seize up. Of

> > course, this masks the problem, but after awhile I found that just

> > stretching would do the trick and I didn't have to take them any

> more.

> > Now I only take one if I get really bad attacks at night and

can't

> sleep.

> > Third suggestion, make sure your calcium intake is

sufficient.

> > Good luck,

> > n

> > rBHR Oct.3002 McMinn

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Hi everyone. Here's what I think about muscles and cramps, for what

it's worth.

I have found in myself (and observed in others) that muscle cramps

occur mainly with fatigue. Even great athletes on good diets will

cramp up after running around on a muddy field for an hour. The

thing to remember is that fatigue is relative and certainly related

to prior training and diet. The point at which a muscle becomes

tired enough to cramp depends on your diet but (more importantly, I

feel) how well trained it is to deal with what you are putting it

through. Now this is where a whole bunch of other variables can

have an effect.

- A dietary supplement may be sufficient to prevent cramp in a tired

muscle. Also, it may not.

- You may get sore, aching muscles as an indication that you may

cramp up soon, but you may cramp up in muscles which aren't getting

sore (just because a muscle isn't getting sore, doesn't mean it's not

being fatigued).

- Different muscles attachments can affect a muscle likelihood of

cramping (eg, hamstrings cramp more than quadriceps do).

- A " whole muscle " doesn't have to be affected to cramp. When a

muscle contracts only the necessary bits (called motor units)

contract...the rest go along for the ride. Eg, if you lift 10 lbs, x

motor units may be required to contract...if you lift 20 lbs, twice

as many motor units may be required to contract and so on (that's why

you lift weights...so that as much of the muscle as possible actually

contracts). I wonder if it's the same with muscle cramps. The pain

of a cramp feels like it's going through the whole muscle but it may

well be just a few particularly cramp-susceptible motor units are

cramping. That may be a relief if you're worried about having lots

of cramps. It may actually be a small problem (although it won't

feel like it).

I'd say after a resurf, you'd be using muscles you haven't used for a

while, or that you've use differently for years (via a limp, etc) so,

they'll get tired very easily. They may be missing an important

nutrient if your wounds are still healing. Who knows.

I'd say by eating well (use supplements if you think they help) and

by getting stronger, the cramps should gradually fade away (unless

you're trying to increase your endurance and strength, in which case

your muscles will often be tired, but that's OK, because they'll

adapt eventually!).

On a related note, if you're still awake, I've thought about what

happens when one's backside muscles cut during a resurf. I reckon

that they'll heal well, because muscles have a good blood supply.

But there'd have to be some scar tissue at the cut site which would

be tough and inflexible. In effect, it would be as if you had two

separate muscles where once upon a time you had one. I reckon this

could have a significant effect on the way your butt muscle works,

and the muscles around it, and the connective tissues, and everything

else. Any thoughts (especially from our medics)?

Now if you'll excuse me my brain's cramping.

Tony

> > Hi Joyce

> > I only get the odd muscle cramps at night now, but I used to

get

> > them all the time after a good walk. My chiropractor showed my

some

> > leg stretches to do immediately after walking, which help. Ask

your

> > physio or chiro or massage therapist for advice, as it's kind of

> hard

> > to describe them in words.

> > Secondly, when the cramps were really bad, I found it helped

to

> > take a muscle relaxant (Robaxisal or Robaxacet; they are available

> > over the counter in Canada; don't know about in the U.S.) right

> after

> > exercising, so that the muscles didn't have time to seize up. Of

> > course, this masks the problem, but after awhile I found that just

> > stretching would do the trick and I didn't have to take them any

> more.

> > Now I only take one if I get really bad attacks at night and

can't

> sleep.

> > Third suggestion, make sure your calcium intake is

sufficient.

> > Good luck,

> > n

> > rBHR Oct.3002 McMinn

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Hi everyone. Here's what I think about muscles and cramps, for what

it's worth.

I have found in myself (and observed in others) that muscle cramps

occur mainly with fatigue. Even great athletes on good diets will

cramp up after running around on a muddy field for an hour. The

thing to remember is that fatigue is relative and certainly related

to prior training and diet. The point at which a muscle becomes

tired enough to cramp depends on your diet but (more importantly, I

feel) how well trained it is to deal with what you are putting it

through. Now this is where a whole bunch of other variables can

have an effect.

- A dietary supplement may be sufficient to prevent cramp in a tired

muscle. Also, it may not.

- You may get sore, aching muscles as an indication that you may

cramp up soon, but you may cramp up in muscles which aren't getting

sore (just because a muscle isn't getting sore, doesn't mean it's not

being fatigued).

- Different muscles attachments can affect a muscle likelihood of

cramping (eg, hamstrings cramp more than quadriceps do).

- A " whole muscle " doesn't have to be affected to cramp. When a

muscle contracts only the necessary bits (called motor units)

contract...the rest go along for the ride. Eg, if you lift 10 lbs, x

motor units may be required to contract...if you lift 20 lbs, twice

as many motor units may be required to contract and so on (that's why

you lift weights...so that as much of the muscle as possible actually

contracts). I wonder if it's the same with muscle cramps. The pain

of a cramp feels like it's going through the whole muscle but it may

well be just a few particularly cramp-susceptible motor units are

cramping. That may be a relief if you're worried about having lots

of cramps. It may actually be a small problem (although it won't

feel like it).

I'd say after a resurf, you'd be using muscles you haven't used for a

while, or that you've use differently for years (via a limp, etc) so,

they'll get tired very easily. They may be missing an important

nutrient if your wounds are still healing. Who knows.

I'd say by eating well (use supplements if you think they help) and

by getting stronger, the cramps should gradually fade away (unless

you're trying to increase your endurance and strength, in which case

your muscles will often be tired, but that's OK, because they'll

adapt eventually!).

On a related note, if you're still awake, I've thought about what

happens when one's backside muscles cut during a resurf. I reckon

that they'll heal well, because muscles have a good blood supply.

But there'd have to be some scar tissue at the cut site which would

be tough and inflexible. In effect, it would be as if you had two

separate muscles where once upon a time you had one. I reckon this

could have a significant effect on the way your butt muscle works,

and the muscles around it, and the connective tissues, and everything

else. Any thoughts (especially from our medics)?

Now if you'll excuse me my brain's cramping.

Tony

> > Hi Joyce

> > I only get the odd muscle cramps at night now, but I used to

get

> > them all the time after a good walk. My chiropractor showed my

some

> > leg stretches to do immediately after walking, which help. Ask

your

> > physio or chiro or massage therapist for advice, as it's kind of

> hard

> > to describe them in words.

> > Secondly, when the cramps were really bad, I found it helped

to

> > take a muscle relaxant (Robaxisal or Robaxacet; they are available

> > over the counter in Canada; don't know about in the U.S.) right

> after

> > exercising, so that the muscles didn't have time to seize up. Of

> > course, this masks the problem, but after awhile I found that just

> > stretching would do the trick and I didn't have to take them any

> more.

> > Now I only take one if I get really bad attacks at night and

can't

> sleep.

> > Third suggestion, make sure your calcium intake is

sufficient.

> > Good luck,

> > n

> > rBHR Oct.3002 McMinn

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Hi. I'm so sorry to hear about Brad's pain. I hope he's getting some relief

and the cramps have all vanished! I'm not sure if the cramps are linked to PSC

or not, but low potassium is often a PSC symptom I believe. Do you know if his

potassium level has been checked? That can sometimes cause cramping. If you

have access to a home health store (one that sells equipment/items to hospitals

and physical therapists, etc.) you may want to see if you can find something

called Blue Stuff. It's a gel you put on the area that's cramping and hurting

and it worked wonders for me. My pain was so bad I couldn't move and this stuff

allowed me to at least get from place A to B. I've also had doctors recommend

warm compresses (a damp washcloth warmed in the microwave will work).

Hope today's a great day!

Sandi in VA

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Hi. I'm so sorry to hear about Brad's pain. I hope he's getting some relief

and the cramps have all vanished! I'm not sure if the cramps are linked to PSC

or not, but low potassium is often a PSC symptom I believe. Do you know if his

potassium level has been checked? That can sometimes cause cramping. If you

have access to a home health store (one that sells equipment/items to hospitals

and physical therapists, etc.) you may want to see if you can find something

called Blue Stuff. It's a gel you put on the area that's cramping and hurting

and it worked wonders for me. My pain was so bad I couldn't move and this stuff

allowed me to at least get from place A to B. I've also had doctors recommend

warm compresses (a damp washcloth warmed in the microwave will work).

Hope today's a great day!

Sandi in VA

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Hi. I'm so sorry to hear about Brad's pain. I hope he's getting some relief

and the cramps have all vanished! I'm not sure if the cramps are linked to PSC

or not, but low potassium is often a PSC symptom I believe. Do you know if his

potassium level has been checked? That can sometimes cause cramping. If you

have access to a home health store (one that sells equipment/items to hospitals

and physical therapists, etc.) you may want to see if you can find something

called Blue Stuff. It's a gel you put on the area that's cramping and hurting

and it worked wonders for me. My pain was so bad I couldn't move and this stuff

allowed me to at least get from place A to B. I've also had doctors recommend

warm compresses (a damp washcloth warmed in the microwave will work).

Hope today's a great day!

Sandi in VA

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I get muscle cramps sometimes too. I think it is low potassium.  I try to eat bananas and drink orange juice to keep my potassium up. It seems to help alot. Sent from my iPhone

Hi. I'm so sorry to hear about Brad's pain. I hope he's getting some relief and the cramps have all vanished! I'm not sure if the cramps are linked to PSC or not, but low potassium is often a PSC symptom I believe. Do you know if his potassium level has been checked? That can sometimes cause cramping. If you have access to a home health store (one that sells equipment/items to hospitals and physical therapists, etc.) you may want to see if you can find something called Blue Stuff. It's a gel you put on the area that's cramping and hurting and it worked wonders for me. My pain was so bad I couldn't move and this stuff allowed me to at least get from place A to B. I've also had doctors recommend warm compresses (a damp washcloth warmed in the microwave will work).

Hope today's a great day!

Sandi in VA

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I get muscle cramps sometimes too. I think it is low potassium.  I try to eat bananas and drink orange juice to keep my potassium up. It seems to help alot. Sent from my iPhone

Hi. I'm so sorry to hear about Brad's pain. I hope he's getting some relief and the cramps have all vanished! I'm not sure if the cramps are linked to PSC or not, but low potassium is often a PSC symptom I believe. Do you know if his potassium level has been checked? That can sometimes cause cramping. If you have access to a home health store (one that sells equipment/items to hospitals and physical therapists, etc.) you may want to see if you can find something called Blue Stuff. It's a gel you put on the area that's cramping and hurting and it worked wonders for me. My pain was so bad I couldn't move and this stuff allowed me to at least get from place A to B. I've also had doctors recommend warm compresses (a damp washcloth warmed in the microwave will work).

Hope today's a great day!

Sandi in VA

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I get muscle cramps sometimes too. I think it is low potassium.  I try to eat bananas and drink orange juice to keep my potassium up. It seems to help alot. Sent from my iPhone

Hi. I'm so sorry to hear about Brad's pain. I hope he's getting some relief and the cramps have all vanished! I'm not sure if the cramps are linked to PSC or not, but low potassium is often a PSC symptom I believe. Do you know if his potassium level has been checked? That can sometimes cause cramping. If you have access to a home health store (one that sells equipment/items to hospitals and physical therapists, etc.) you may want to see if you can find something called Blue Stuff. It's a gel you put on the area that's cramping and hurting and it worked wonders for me. My pain was so bad I couldn't move and this stuff allowed me to at least get from place A to B. I've also had doctors recommend warm compresses (a damp washcloth warmed in the microwave will work).

Hope today's a great day!

Sandi in VA

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