Re: Another question from an oldie

[Guest guest]

Hi...

I'm not a podiatrist, but I sounds like the pain in your feet is in

the metatarsals...(those bones that run down the top front of your

feet). A few guys I've played handball with have had what sounded

like similar pain; I've suggested a change to more supportive shoes,

and, in every case, the problem has gone away. You mentioned that

you wear orthotics. Are they otc devices or made specifically and

professionally for you?

The more it sounds like a metatarsal and support problem because you

mention that the pain increases the longer you're on your feet. (Not

to be indelicate, but I must ask... are you carrying any extra

weight?)

You suggest you rarely wear anything but your sneakers. Are they

new? Bear in mind that court and athletic shoes are made now so that

the insides and support structures in the shoes break down long

before the outsides will show much wear at all.

Curious thought here, probably worth nothing: we've had a couple of

posts in the past couple of days from post op hippies who have

developed plantar fasciitis... which is actually the same kind of

pain you seem to describe...on the bottom of the foot. Wonder if

there's some mechanical change in the act of walking that might come

with resurfacing.)

IS THERE A DOCTOR IN THE HOUSE?

Alan

> This board has the most incredible cumulative knowledge and

> experience, so I thought I'd ask if anyone has experienced this.

It

> started happening post-op, and I doubt it's related, but who knows?

>

> It's my feet.

[Guest guest]

My " knee jerk " reaction is that it may be neurological in origin.

Dr. Des (not)

In a message dated 6/30/2004 1:41:25 PM Pacific Standard Time,

daves550@... writes:

It's my feet. The tops - along the ligament/tendons/whatever they

are that attach the ankle to the toes. At a certain point toward the

middle to end of some (but not all) days - they can be excrutiating -

the pain radiates up the foot when I flex, point, or even just press

on the area. Sometimes, just putting my foot on the ground and

putting weight on it creates pain. I still force myself to walk,

mainly because I'm stubborn and won't give in to this. But I can't

bend my feet, so I kinda shuffle. Very attractive to watch. The

orthopedist up here (I had my surgery done in SC, and I'm in CT) is

kinda baffled, says that it's tendonitis, probably, but didn't have

any earth shattering suggestions for treatment. I'm certainly not

going to give up walking! I have orthotics in my shoes (and even in

my slippers, and very rarely wear anything but my sneakers.

And my ankle " burns " quite frequently, just below and on top of the

outside of the ankle bone.

Lordy, I get the hip fixed, can finally walk again and the feet fall

apart!! I guess I shouldn't complain - my knees are still fine.

Anyone have any ideas on what those foot problems could be?

[Guest guest]

My " knee jerk " reaction is that it may be neurological in origin.

Dr. Des (not)

In a message dated 6/30/2004 1:41:25 PM Pacific Standard Time,

daves550@... writes:

It's my feet. The tops - along the ligament/tendons/whatever they

are that attach the ankle to the toes. At a certain point toward the

middle to end of some (but not all) days - they can be excrutiating -

the pain radiates up the foot when I flex, point, or even just press

on the area. Sometimes, just putting my foot on the ground and

putting weight on it creates pain. I still force myself to walk,

mainly because I'm stubborn and won't give in to this. But I can't

bend my feet, so I kinda shuffle. Very attractive to watch. The

orthopedist up here (I had my surgery done in SC, and I'm in CT) is

kinda baffled, says that it's tendonitis, probably, but didn't have

any earth shattering suggestions for treatment. I'm certainly not

going to give up walking! I have orthotics in my shoes (and even in

my slippers, and very rarely wear anything but my sneakers.

And my ankle " burns " quite frequently, just below and on top of the

outside of the ankle bone.

Lordy, I get the hip fixed, can finally walk again and the feet fall

apart!! I guess I shouldn't complain - my knees are still fine.

Anyone have any ideas on what those foot problems could be?

[Guest guest]

Morton's neuroma? (You can get an MRI to check that out.)

[Guest guest]

Morton's neuroma? (You can get an MRI to check that out.)

[Guest guest]

Gout?

Dan

mobile +44 (0)7974 981-407

email <******************************> dan.milosevic@...

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From: bird_nutty

Sent: 30 June 2004 14:40

To: surfacehippy

Subject: Another question from an oldie

This board has the most incredible cumulative knowledge and

experience, so I thought I'd ask if anyone has experienced this. It

started happening post-op, and I doubt it's related, but who knows?

It's my feet. The tops - along the ligament/tendons/whatever they

are that attach the ankle to the toes. At a certain point toward the

middle to end of some (but not all) days - they can be excrutiating -

the pain radiates up the foot when I flex, point, or even just press

on the area. Sometimes, just putting my foot on the ground and

putting weight on it creates pain. I still force myself to walk,

mainly because I'm stubborn and won't give in to this. But I can't

bend my feet, so I kinda shuffle. Very attractive to watch. The

orthopedist up here (I had my surgery done in SC, and I'm in CT) is

kinda baffled, says that it's tendonitis, probably, but didn't have

any earth shattering suggestions for treatment. I'm certainly not

going to give up walking! I have orthotics in my shoes (and even in

my slippers, and very rarely wear anything but my sneakers.

And my ankle " burns " quite frequently, just below and on top of the

outside of the ankle bone.

Lordy, I get the hip fixed, can finally walk again and the feet fall

apart!! I guess I shouldn't complain - my knees are still fine.

Anyone have any ideas on what those foot problems could be?

Thanks!

Lois

Dr Gross 8/6/03

[Guest guest]

Gout?

Dan

mobile +44 (0)7974 981-407

email <******************************> dan.milosevic@...

_____

From: bird_nutty

Sent: 30 June 2004 14:40

To: surfacehippy

Subject: Another question from an oldie

This board has the most incredible cumulative knowledge and

experience, so I thought I'd ask if anyone has experienced this. It

started happening post-op, and I doubt it's related, but who knows?

It's my feet. The tops - along the ligament/tendons/whatever they

are that attach the ankle to the toes. At a certain point toward the

middle to end of some (but not all) days - they can be excrutiating -

the pain radiates up the foot when I flex, point, or even just press

on the area. Sometimes, just putting my foot on the ground and

putting weight on it creates pain. I still force myself to walk,

mainly because I'm stubborn and won't give in to this. But I can't

bend my feet, so I kinda shuffle. Very attractive to watch. The

orthopedist up here (I had my surgery done in SC, and I'm in CT) is

kinda baffled, says that it's tendonitis, probably, but didn't have

any earth shattering suggestions for treatment. I'm certainly not

going to give up walking! I have orthotics in my shoes (and even in

my slippers, and very rarely wear anything but my sneakers.

And my ankle " burns " quite frequently, just below and on top of the

outside of the ankle bone.

Lordy, I get the hip fixed, can finally walk again and the feet fall

apart!! I guess I shouldn't complain - my knees are still fine.

Anyone have any ideas on what those foot problems could be?

Thanks!

Lois

Dr Gross 8/6/03

[Guest guest]

I'll be checking my Gray's Anatomy, but a neurological origin would

seem to make sense. I recall posts from other post op hippies who

had talked about transitory sciatic nerve problems. So we know there

can be some nerve involvement. And in the case of the top-of-foot

pain and the (apparent) plantar fasciitis, I'd think nerves to both

the top and bottom of the foot would travel much the same path from

the hip. (Of course, if the pain is in both feet...or the non-

operated side, we have a whole new set of questions) If it's both

feet, gout -- or arthritis -- would be possible...but I'd sure try

some new shoes, too. I'd also be curious if the orthotics you have

now are ones you used before surgery, and whether they're a post op

addition. If they were fitted pre-op, you probably have a very

different weight-bearing condition in the feet.

(I ask these sorts of questions because a rehab doc I used to play

handle with used to say...the simplest answer is most often the right

answer. So if you want to know what may have changed, look at the

things you might have done that might have caused the change.)

Alan

> My " knee jerk " reaction is that it may be neurological in origin.

>

> Dr. Des (not)

>

>

> In a message dated 6/30/2004 1:41:25 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> daves550@a... writes:

> It's my feet. The tops - along the ligament/tendons/whatever they

> are that attach the ankle to the toes. At a certain point toward

the

> middle to end of some (but not all) days - they can be

excrutiating -

> the pain radiates up the foot when I flex, point, or even just

press

> on the area. Sometimes, just putting my foot on the ground and

> putting weight on it creates pain. I still force myself to walk,

> mainly because I'm stubborn and won't give in to this. But I can't

> bend my feet, so I kinda shuffle. Very attractive to watch. The

> orthopedist up here (I had my surgery done in SC, and I'm in CT) is

> kinda baffled, says that it's tendonitis, probably, but didn't have

> any earth shattering suggestions for treatment. I'm certainly not

> going to give up walking! I have orthotics in my shoes (and even

in

> my slippers, and very rarely wear anything but my sneakers.

> And my ankle " burns " quite frequently, just below and on top of the

> outside of the ankle bone.

> Lordy, I get the hip fixed, can finally walk again and the feet

fall

> apart!! I guess I shouldn't complain - my knees are still fine.

>

> Anyone have any ideas on what those foot problems could be?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'll be checking my Gray's Anatomy, but a neurological origin would

seem to make sense. I recall posts from other post op hippies who

had talked about transitory sciatic nerve problems. So we know there

can be some nerve involvement. And in the case of the top-of-foot

pain and the (apparent) plantar fasciitis, I'd think nerves to both

the top and bottom of the foot would travel much the same path from

the hip. (Of course, if the pain is in both feet...or the non-

operated side, we have a whole new set of questions) If it's both

feet, gout -- or arthritis -- would be possible...but I'd sure try

some new shoes, too. I'd also be curious if the orthotics you have

now are ones you used before surgery, and whether they're a post op

addition. If they were fitted pre-op, you probably have a very

different weight-bearing condition in the feet.

(I ask these sorts of questions because a rehab doc I used to play

handle with used to say...the simplest answer is most often the right

answer. So if you want to know what may have changed, look at the

things you might have done that might have caused the change.)

Alan

> My " knee jerk " reaction is that it may be neurological in origin.

>

> Dr. Des (not)

>

>

> In a message dated 6/30/2004 1:41:25 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> daves550@a... writes:

> It's my feet. The tops - along the ligament/tendons/whatever they

> are that attach the ankle to the toes. At a certain point toward

the

> middle to end of some (but not all) days - they can be

excrutiating -

> the pain radiates up the foot when I flex, point, or even just

press

> on the area. Sometimes, just putting my foot on the ground and

> putting weight on it creates pain. I still force myself to walk,

> mainly because I'm stubborn and won't give in to this. But I can't

> bend my feet, so I kinda shuffle. Very attractive to watch. The

> orthopedist up here (I had my surgery done in SC, and I'm in CT) is

> kinda baffled, says that it's tendonitis, probably, but didn't have

> any earth shattering suggestions for treatment. I'm certainly not

> going to give up walking! I have orthotics in my shoes (and even

in

> my slippers, and very rarely wear anything but my sneakers.

> And my ankle " burns " quite frequently, just below and on top of the

> outside of the ankle bone.

> Lordy, I get the hip fixed, can finally walk again and the feet

fall

> apart!! I guess I shouldn't complain - my knees are still fine.

>

> Anyone have any ideas on what those foot problems could be?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi- I haven't even gotten my resurfacing yet, but this problem sounds

like it might respond well to acupuncture & reflexology and a good

foot massage, as well as some NSAIDs. I occasionally get wierd cramps

in my feet and it usually helps just to switch to a different style of

shoe. It actually happened to me today and I switched from my Teva

walking sandals that I usually wear, to my Merrell Jungle mocs. I

started feeling better right away and after 30 minutes, the spasms

were gone. I also took 800mg Ibuprofen.

Let me know if this helps at all.

-- In surfacehippy , " bird_nutty " wrote:

> This board has the most incredible cumulative knowledge and

> experience, so I thought I'd ask if anyone has experienced this. It

> started happening post-op, and I doubt it's related, but who knows?

>

> It's my feet. The tops - along the ligament/tendons/whatever they

> are that attach the ankle to the toes. At a certain point toward the

> middle to end of some (but not all) days - they can be excrutiating -

> the pain radiates up the foot when I flex, point, or even just press

> on the area. Sometimes, just putting my foot on the ground and

> putting weight on it creates pain. I still force myself to walk,

> mainly because I'm stubborn and won't give in to this. But I can't

> bend my feet, so I kinda shuffle. Very attractive to watch. The

> orthopedist up here (I had my surgery done in SC, and I'm in CT) is

> kinda baffled, says that it's tendonitis, probably, but didn't have

> any earth shattering suggestions for treatment. I'm certainly not

> going to give up walking! I have orthotics in my shoes (and even in

> my slippers, and very rarely wear anything but my sneakers.

> And my ankle " burns " quite frequently, just below and on top of the

> outside of the ankle bone.

> Lordy, I get the hip fixed, can finally walk again and the feet fall

> apart!! I guess I shouldn't complain - my knees are still fine.

>

> Anyone have any ideas on what those foot problems could be?

>

> Thanks!

> Lois

> Dr Gross 8/6/03

[Guest guest]

One more thing: you said that you kept forcing yourself to walk- now I

know you've been through alot w/hip problems and all... Wouldn't it be

better if you would listen to (and heed)your body's signals? It's not

like you had been working out and had muscle fatigue. Have you simply

tried resting for a few days? I think very few of us ever do this...

Marie

-- In surfacehippy , " bird_nutty " wrote:

> This board has the most incredible cumulative knowledge and

> experience, so I thought I'd ask if anyone has experienced this. It

> started happening post-op, and I doubt it's related, but who knows?

>

> It's my feet. The tops - along the ligament/tendons/whatever they

> are that attach the ankle to the toes. At a certain point toward the

> middle to end of some (but not all) days - they can be excrutiating -

> the pain radiates up the foot when I flex, point, or even just press

> on the area. Sometimes, just putting my foot on the ground and

> putting weight on it creates pain. I still force myself to walk,

> mainly because I'm stubborn and won't give in to this. But I can't

> bend my feet, so I kinda shuffle. Very attractive to watch. The

> orthopedist up here (I had my surgery done in SC, and I'm in CT) is

> kinda baffled, says that it's tendonitis, probably, but didn't have

> any earth shattering suggestions for treatment. I'm certainly not

> going to give up walking! I have orthotics in my shoes (and even in

> my slippers, and very rarely wear anything but my sneakers.

> And my ankle " burns " quite frequently, just below and on top of the

> outside of the ankle bone.

> Lordy, I get the hip fixed, can finally walk again and the feet fall

> apart!! I guess I shouldn't complain - my knees are still fine.

>

> Anyone have any ideas on what those foot problems could be?

>

> Thanks!

> Lois

> Dr Gross 8/6/03