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> Most you have seen me post here before. I have made no secret that

I

> have a relationship with Medical and have tried my best to

> not " ra ra " my product or any one Surgeon over another. I joined

> this group because I believe that resurfacing is the future of

total

> joints and thought that my " insider " knowledge may be of use to

> some. The people that I work with are ALWAYS amazed how much the

> members of this board know and understand about resurfacing and THR

> in general. You are without a doubt the most prepared patients any

> surgeon would ever meet.

>

> Over the past few days, I have read some of the most aggressive and

> non hippielike posts ever seen on this site. In the past, I has

all

> been about resurfacing vs those non believers. Now, it seems to

have

> spun into people taking shots at devices and surgeons. I was

> concerned that as FDA approval approached, things would start to

heat

> up.

>

> One has to understand that this technology does represent a change

in

> the status quo of the U.S. orthopaedic world. The success of this

> type of product in Europe and the positive trials being conducted

by

> and Corin here in the states have awakend a sleeping

industry.

> It has been reported that " every " yes I said " every " major

> manufacturer of Orthopaedics in the U.S. is either buying current

> technology or rushing to get to the start of a clinical trial.

>

> I would suggest that disinformation campaigns will only get worse

as

> time moves along. I also would suggest that you all take some

> postings with a grain of salt. This web site is no secret to those

> throughout the industry.

>

> Here are the facts as they stand today. There are 3 major

> resurfacing components available today. Those are the BHR, C2K,

and

> the C+. The components are very similiar and the instrumentation

is

> also nearly identical. Medical was first to trial in the

U.S.

> and will most likely be the first apporoved by the FDA. Corin will

> be next and everyone else will try to leverage approval from those

> two successes.

>

> There will be adaptations and improvements to components and

> instrumentation as time goes along. The next wave will most likely

> be more cup options and better instrumentation for minimally

invasive

> surgical techniques. These will allow for less scaring and faster

> over all healing.

>

> The true difference now is in the Surgeon's experience and comfort

> level with the instruments and implants. Those in Europe have had

> approval for a long time and prohably have the most experience of

any

> group of surgeons.

>

> Here in the U.S. the clear leader is Dr. Amstuz with well over 800

> implanted on the west coast. The east coast has Dr. Mont

> with nearly 300 successful proceedures and a reputation for taking

on

> tough cases. That leaves eight other C+ sites with varing degrees

of

> experience. I dont know their actual numbers and dont intend to

> minimize their contribution, but I do not want to fabricate

anything

> either.

>

> I cannot speak for Corin, but I am sure that someone on this board

> can tell us who their most experienced surgeons are.

>

> Twenty years from now, we can sit back and tell our Grandchildren

> that we were there when it all started. :)

>

> Dave

Hi Dave,

Thanks for the post. I appreciate your honesty. I also believe that

everytime you place a post on this website you should make it

absolutely clear to the readers of this website that you have a

conflict of interest and infuse some bias into your comments simply

due to the fact that you work for Medical. I believe that if

you wish to stay unbiased all comments regarding the benefits of

Medical hip resurfacing should be avoided - that is unless you

are willing to release perioperative, short, intermediate, and long-

term data regarding outcomes as well as complication types and rates

associated with your device. I also believe that it is inappropriate

for you to commment either directly or indirectly about other hip

resurfacing devices unless: a.) You work for the other respective

companies, b.) Have receiving hip resurfacing procedure done with the

other devices, or c.)Have access to the results of studies performed

with other devices. However having said that I still appreciate the

general information you provide about hip resurfacing and would

welcome your continued input.

Regards,

Dr. Mark

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> Most you have seen me post here before. I have made no secret that

I

> have a relationship with Medical and have tried my best to

> not " ra ra " my product or any one Surgeon over another. I joined

> this group because I believe that resurfacing is the future of

total

> joints and thought that my " insider " knowledge may be of use to

> some. The people that I work with are ALWAYS amazed how much the

> members of this board know and understand about resurfacing and THR

> in general. You are without a doubt the most prepared patients any

> surgeon would ever meet.

>

> Over the past few days, I have read some of the most aggressive and

> non hippielike posts ever seen on this site. In the past, I has

all

> been about resurfacing vs those non believers. Now, it seems to

have

> spun into people taking shots at devices and surgeons. I was

> concerned that as FDA approval approached, things would start to

heat

> up.

>

> One has to understand that this technology does represent a change

in

> the status quo of the U.S. orthopaedic world. The success of this

> type of product in Europe and the positive trials being conducted

by

> and Corin here in the states have awakend a sleeping

industry.

> It has been reported that " every " yes I said " every " major

> manufacturer of Orthopaedics in the U.S. is either buying current

> technology or rushing to get to the start of a clinical trial.

>

> I would suggest that disinformation campaigns will only get worse

as

> time moves along. I also would suggest that you all take some

> postings with a grain of salt. This web site is no secret to those

> throughout the industry.

>

> Here are the facts as they stand today. There are 3 major

> resurfacing components available today. Those are the BHR, C2K,

and

> the C+. The components are very similiar and the instrumentation

is

> also nearly identical. Medical was first to trial in the

U.S.

> and will most likely be the first apporoved by the FDA. Corin will

> be next and everyone else will try to leverage approval from those

> two successes.

>

> There will be adaptations and improvements to components and

> instrumentation as time goes along. The next wave will most likely

> be more cup options and better instrumentation for minimally

invasive

> surgical techniques. These will allow for less scaring and faster

> over all healing.

>

> The true difference now is in the Surgeon's experience and comfort

> level with the instruments and implants. Those in Europe have had

> approval for a long time and prohably have the most experience of

any

> group of surgeons.

>

> Here in the U.S. the clear leader is Dr. Amstuz with well over 800

> implanted on the west coast. The east coast has Dr. Mont

> with nearly 300 successful proceedures and a reputation for taking

on

> tough cases. That leaves eight other C+ sites with varing degrees

of

> experience. I dont know their actual numbers and dont intend to

> minimize their contribution, but I do not want to fabricate

anything

> either.

>

> I cannot speak for Corin, but I am sure that someone on this board

> can tell us who their most experienced surgeons are.

>

> Twenty years from now, we can sit back and tell our Grandchildren

> that we were there when it all started. :)

>

> Dave

Hi Dave,

Thanks for the post. I appreciate your honesty. I also believe that

everytime you place a post on this website you should make it

absolutely clear to the readers of this website that you have a

conflict of interest and infuse some bias into your comments simply

due to the fact that you work for Medical. I believe that if

you wish to stay unbiased all comments regarding the benefits of

Medical hip resurfacing should be avoided - that is unless you

are willing to release perioperative, short, intermediate, and long-

term data regarding outcomes as well as complication types and rates

associated with your device. I also believe that it is inappropriate

for you to commment either directly or indirectly about other hip

resurfacing devices unless: a.) You work for the other respective

companies, b.) Have receiving hip resurfacing procedure done with the

other devices, or c.)Have access to the results of studies performed

with other devices. However having said that I still appreciate the

general information you provide about hip resurfacing and would

welcome your continued input.

Regards,

Dr. Mark

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Yo, Hippies...

Perhaps we need something like a hippycratic oath to make sure the

information we get is truly both unbiased, and informed. Since

nonsuch exists at the moment, we're not really left with many

options.

There's a difference between providing information (all of which

must come with some bias) and " selling " .. ncoastdave knows his

product, and something about the others. He doesn't seem to be

selling. But we don't really have a lot of choices for

information. We can ask people involved with the products, who will

tell us something (to which we must apply questions and filters);

we can ask salesmen (and how do you draw the line between a salesman

and somebody works in hip resurfacing at, say, JRI. They believe in

what they're doing; and, in many ways, they are selling a product);

or we can ask for useful information from a hostile mainstream

medical community. We know the last choice only leads to THR. The

others offer some hope of honest information. In truth, given what

Dave knows, and the limited amount to time we can actually get with

guys like Dr. Amstutz, I'll take Dave...with the appropriate

filters, and knowing that there are a couple of docs in the group

who can ask questions we might not think of. Seems to me the best

of all possible worlds...insiders who actually something, with

medical pros to help us filter through the possible biases.

Hobble on, hippies.

Alan

> > Dr. Mark

> >

> > comments appreciated, and i believe that this post as well as

all

> others have stayed within you suggested guidelines.

>

> Hi ,

> No worries. I don't disagree. I was just trying to voice a note

of

> caution as someone who has been involved with the inadvertant

> conscious and subconscious marketing (and criticism) of devices

prior

> to data release and subsequent FDA approval (ei aortic stent-

> grafts). You are an invaluable resource for this website and I

look

> forward to hearing from you again. I know I appreciate your

insight

> and I suspect others do as well.

> Regards,

> Dr. Mark

> >

> >

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Re: Dr. Mark, P.,

Just adding the view of one contributor to this group...

An interesting exchange but I have to say I take exception to Dr.

Mark comments, at least in part. First, my bias. I have a problem

with anyone who tries to do my thinking for me. Dr. Mark is totally

correct as an industry professional speaking to another industry

professional, but the assumption that anyone from the medical

profession can be free of bias and prejudice is unrealistic. So why

fake it by appearing to be unbiased? And I question the need to

adopt Dr. Mark's professional code of conduct on this site. I

look at this group as a place of free exchange and feel it would be

less valuable if it were to turn into a sterile, tightly edited,

controlled format where you couldn't give your side of the story

without the requirement of presenting opposing views with full

research. I'm very enthusiastic about what Dr. Amstutz has done

for me twice and would not want to have to tell all the pluses and

minuses of the other surgeons each time I share my experience with

Dr Amstutz, just as I don't expect a patient of Dr. De Smet to

have to talk about Dr. Amstutz before he or she can say good things

about De Smet. If P. tells me he works for then I know

how to weigh and qualify his comments. I don't need another

professional telling him he can't say anything about his product

unless he follows a set of rules and talks factually about competing

products. Is it reasonable to exclude or edit comments from this

group because they're from someone who's very enthusiastic

and supportive about their product?

There are a lot of intelligent members of this group and I expect

healthy disagreements with my point of view. And I consider that one

of the things that makes this site so good.

Dave

Proud owner of two C+s.

> > Most you have seen me post here before. I have made no secret

that

> I

> > have a relationship with Medical and have tried my best

to

> > not " ra ra " my product or any one Surgeon over another. I

joined

> > this group because I believe that resurfacing is the future of

> total

> > joints and thought that my " insider " knowledge may be of use to

> > some. The people that I work with are ALWAYS amazed how much

the

> > members of this board know and understand about resurfacing and

THR

> > in general. You are without a doubt the most prepared patients

any

> > surgeon would ever meet.

> >

> > Over the past few days, I have read some of the most aggressive

and

> > non hippielike posts ever seen on this site. In the past, I has

> all

> > been about resurfacing vs those non believers. Now, it seems to

> have

> > spun into people taking shots at devices and surgeons. I was

> > concerned that as FDA approval approached, things would start to

> heat

> > up.

> >

> > One has to understand that this technology does represent a

change

> in

> > the status quo of the U.S. orthopaedic world. The success of

this

> > type of product in Europe and the positive trials being

conducted

> by

> > and Corin here in the states have awakend a sleeping

> industry.

> > It has been reported that " every " yes I said " every " major

> > manufacturer of Orthopaedics in the U.S. is either buying

current

> > technology or rushing to get to the start of a clinical trial.

> >

> > I would suggest that disinformation campaigns will only get

worse

> as

> > time moves along. I also would suggest that you all take some

> > postings with a grain of salt. This web site is no secret to

those

> > throughout the industry.

> >

> > Here are the facts as they stand today. There are 3 major

> > resurfacing components available today. Those are the BHR, C2K,

> and

> > the C+. The components are very similiar and the

instrumentation

> is

> > also nearly identical. Medical was first to trial in the

> U.S.

> > and will most likely be the first apporoved by the FDA. Corin

will

> > be next and everyone else will try to leverage approval from

those

> > two successes.

> >

> > There will be adaptations and improvements to components and

> > instrumentation as time goes along. The next wave will most

likely

> > be more cup options and better instrumentation for minimally

> invasive

> > surgical techniques. These will allow for less scaring and

faster

> > over all healing.

> >

> > The true difference now is in the Surgeon's experience and

comfort

> > level with the instruments and implants. Those in Europe have

had

> > approval for a long time and prohably have the most experience

of

> any

> > group of surgeons.

> >

> > Here in the U.S. the clear leader is Dr. Amstuz with well over

800

> > implanted on the west coast. The east coast has Dr.

Mont

> > with nearly 300 successful proceedures and a reputation for

taking

> on

> > tough cases. That leaves eight other C+ sites with varing

degrees

> of

> > experience. I dont know their actual numbers and dont intend

to

> > minimize their contribution, but I do not want to fabricate

> anything

> > either.

> >

> > I cannot speak for Corin, but I am sure that someone on this

board

> > can tell us who their most experienced surgeons are.

> >

> > Twenty years from now, we can sit back and tell our

Grandchildren

> > that we were there when it all started. :)

> >

> > Dave

>

> Hi Dave,

> Thanks for the post. I appreciate your honesty. I also believe

that

> everytime you place a post on this website you should make it

> absolutely clear to the readers of this website that you have a

> conflict of interest and infuse some bias into your comments

simply

> due to the fact that you work for Medical. I believe that

if

> you wish to stay unbiased all comments regarding the benefits of

> Medical hip resurfacing should be avoided - that is unless

you

> are willing to release perioperative, short, intermediate, and

long-

> term data regarding outcomes as well as complication types and

rates

> associated with your device. I also believe that it is

inappropriate

> for you to commment either directly or indirectly about other hip

> resurfacing devices unless: a.) You work for the other respective

> companies, b.) Have receiving hip resurfacing procedure done with

the

> other devices, or c.)Have access to the results of studies

performed

> with other devices. However having said that I still appreciate

the

> general information you provide about hip resurfacing and would

> welcome your continued input.

> Regards,

> Dr. Mark

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Re: Dr. Mark, P.,

Just adding the view of one contributor to this group...

An interesting exchange but I have to say I take exception to Dr.

Mark comments, at least in part. First, my bias. I have a problem

with anyone who tries to do my thinking for me. Dr. Mark is totally

correct as an industry professional speaking to another industry

professional, but the assumption that anyone from the medical

profession can be free of bias and prejudice is unrealistic. So why

fake it by appearing to be unbiased? And I question the need to

adopt Dr. Mark's professional code of conduct on this site. I

look at this group as a place of free exchange and feel it would be

less valuable if it were to turn into a sterile, tightly edited,

controlled format where you couldn't give your side of the story

without the requirement of presenting opposing views with full

research. I'm very enthusiastic about what Dr. Amstutz has done

for me twice and would not want to have to tell all the pluses and

minuses of the other surgeons each time I share my experience with

Dr Amstutz, just as I don't expect a patient of Dr. De Smet to

have to talk about Dr. Amstutz before he or she can say good things

about De Smet. If P. tells me he works for then I know

how to weigh and qualify his comments. I don't need another

professional telling him he can't say anything about his product

unless he follows a set of rules and talks factually about competing

products. Is it reasonable to exclude or edit comments from this

group because they're from someone who's very enthusiastic

and supportive about their product?

There are a lot of intelligent members of this group and I expect

healthy disagreements with my point of view. And I consider that one

of the things that makes this site so good.

Dave

Proud owner of two C+s.

> > Most you have seen me post here before. I have made no secret

that

> I

> > have a relationship with Medical and have tried my best

to

> > not " ra ra " my product or any one Surgeon over another. I

joined

> > this group because I believe that resurfacing is the future of

> total

> > joints and thought that my " insider " knowledge may be of use to

> > some. The people that I work with are ALWAYS amazed how much

the

> > members of this board know and understand about resurfacing and

THR

> > in general. You are without a doubt the most prepared patients

any

> > surgeon would ever meet.

> >

> > Over the past few days, I have read some of the most aggressive

and

> > non hippielike posts ever seen on this site. In the past, I has

> all

> > been about resurfacing vs those non believers. Now, it seems to

> have

> > spun into people taking shots at devices and surgeons. I was

> > concerned that as FDA approval approached, things would start to

> heat

> > up.

> >

> > One has to understand that this technology does represent a

change

> in

> > the status quo of the U.S. orthopaedic world. The success of

this

> > type of product in Europe and the positive trials being

conducted

> by

> > and Corin here in the states have awakend a sleeping

> industry.

> > It has been reported that " every " yes I said " every " major

> > manufacturer of Orthopaedics in the U.S. is either buying

current

> > technology or rushing to get to the start of a clinical trial.

> >

> > I would suggest that disinformation campaigns will only get

worse

> as

> > time moves along. I also would suggest that you all take some

> > postings with a grain of salt. This web site is no secret to

those

> > throughout the industry.

> >

> > Here are the facts as they stand today. There are 3 major

> > resurfacing components available today. Those are the BHR, C2K,

> and

> > the C+. The components are very similiar and the

instrumentation

> is

> > also nearly identical. Medical was first to trial in the

> U.S.

> > and will most likely be the first apporoved by the FDA. Corin

will

> > be next and everyone else will try to leverage approval from

those

> > two successes.

> >

> > There will be adaptations and improvements to components and

> > instrumentation as time goes along. The next wave will most

likely

> > be more cup options and better instrumentation for minimally

> invasive

> > surgical techniques. These will allow for less scaring and

faster

> > over all healing.

> >

> > The true difference now is in the Surgeon's experience and

comfort

> > level with the instruments and implants. Those in Europe have

had

> > approval for a long time and prohably have the most experience

of

> any

> > group of surgeons.

> >

> > Here in the U.S. the clear leader is Dr. Amstuz with well over

800

> > implanted on the west coast. The east coast has Dr.

Mont

> > with nearly 300 successful proceedures and a reputation for

taking

> on

> > tough cases. That leaves eight other C+ sites with varing

degrees

> of

> > experience. I dont know their actual numbers and dont intend

to

> > minimize their contribution, but I do not want to fabricate

> anything

> > either.

> >

> > I cannot speak for Corin, but I am sure that someone on this

board

> > can tell us who their most experienced surgeons are.

> >

> > Twenty years from now, we can sit back and tell our

Grandchildren

> > that we were there when it all started. :)

> >

> > Dave

>

> Hi Dave,

> Thanks for the post. I appreciate your honesty. I also believe

that

> everytime you place a post on this website you should make it

> absolutely clear to the readers of this website that you have a

> conflict of interest and infuse some bias into your comments

simply

> due to the fact that you work for Medical. I believe that

if

> you wish to stay unbiased all comments regarding the benefits of

> Medical hip resurfacing should be avoided - that is unless

you

> are willing to release perioperative, short, intermediate, and

long-

> term data regarding outcomes as well as complication types and

rates

> associated with your device. I also believe that it is

inappropriate

> for you to commment either directly or indirectly about other hip

> resurfacing devices unless: a.) You work for the other respective

> companies, b.) Have receiving hip resurfacing procedure done with

the

> other devices, or c.)Have access to the results of studies

performed

> with other devices. However having said that I still appreciate

the

> general information you provide about hip resurfacing and would

> welcome your continued input.

> Regards,

> Dr. Mark

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Well, I'm a resurf patient of Dr Gross and I can't even remember which

implant he used!! Someone out there who is also a Dr Gross patient, would

you refresh my memory? Joyce (LHR, 2/2/04) Obviously my hip is fine.

I've been doing some heavy yard work and the only thing that isn't sore and

achy is my artificial hip joint!

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> Most you have seen me post here before. I have made no secret that

I

> have a relationship with Medical and have tried my best to

> not " ra ra " my product or any one Surgeon over another. I joined

> this group because I believe that resurfacing is the future of

total

> joints and thought that my " insider " knowledge may be of use to

> some. The people that I work with are ALWAYS amazed how much the

> members of this board know and understand about resurfacing and THR

> in general. You are without a doubt the most prepared patients any

> surgeon would ever meet.

>

> Over the past few days, I have read some of the most aggressive and

> non hippielike posts ever seen on this site. In the past, I has

all

> been about resurfacing vs those non believers. Now, it seems to

have

> spun into people taking shots at devices and surgeons. I was

> concerned that as FDA approval approached, things would start to

heat

> up.

>

> One has to understand that this technology does represent a change

in

> the status quo of the U.S. orthopaedic world. The success of this

> type of product in Europe and the positive trials being conducted

by

> and Corin here in the states have awakend a sleeping

industry.

> It has been reported that " every " yes I said " every " major

> manufacturer of Orthopaedics in the U.S. is either buying current

> technology or rushing to get to the start of a clinical trial.

>

> I would suggest that disinformation campaigns will only get worse

as

> time moves along. I also would suggest that you all take some

> postings with a grain of salt. This web site is no secret to those

> throughout the industry.

>

> Here are the facts as they stand today. There are 3 major

> resurfacing components available today. Those are the BHR, C2K,

and

> the C+. The components are very similiar and the instrumentation

is

> also nearly identical. Medical was first to trial in the

U.S.

> and will most likely be the first apporoved by the FDA. Corin will

> be next and everyone else will try to leverage approval from those

> two successes.

>

> There will be adaptations and improvements to components and

> instrumentation as time goes along. The next wave will most likely

> be more cup options and better instrumentation for minimally

invasive

> surgical techniques. These will allow for less scaring and faster

> over all healing.

>

> The true difference now is in the Surgeon's experience and comfort

> level with the instruments and implants. Those in Europe have had

> approval for a long time and prohably have the most experience of

any

> group of surgeons.

>

> Here in the U.S. the clear leader is Dr. Amstuz with well over 800

> implanted on the west coast. The east coast has Dr. Mont

> with nearly 300 successful proceedures and a reputation for taking

on

> tough cases. That leaves eight other C+ sites with varing degrees

of

> experience. I dont know their actual numbers and dont intend to

> minimize their contribution, but I do not want to fabricate

anything

> either.

>

> I cannot speak for Corin, but I am sure that someone on this board

> can tell us who their most experienced surgeons are.

>

> Twenty years from now, we can sit back and tell our Grandchildren

> that we were there when it all started. :)

>

> Dave

Hi Dave,

Thanks for the post. I appreciate your honesty. I also believe that

everytime you place a post on this website you should make it

absolutely clear to the readers of this website that you have a

conflict of interest and infuse some bias into your comments simply

due to the fact that you work for Medical. I believe that if

you wish to stay unbiased all comments regarding the benefits of

Medical hip resurfacing should be avoided - that is unless you

are willing to release perioperative, short, intermediate, and long-

term data regarding outcomes as well as complication types and rates

associated with your device. I also believe that it is inappropriate

for you to commment either directly or indirectly about other hip

resurfacing devices unless: a.) You work for the other respective

companies, b.) Have receiving hip resurfacing procedure done with the

other devices, or c.)Have access to the results of studies performed

with other devices. However having said that I still appreciate the

general information you provide about hip resurfacing and would

welcome your continued input.

Regards,

Dr. Mark

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Hey, we can all throw in our $0.02 here, right? Wonderful

point<>counterpoint here, ncoastDave>Dr Mark>Alan>Dave, et al. I

spend a lot of time trying to distinguish wheat from chaff, and my

chaff radar didn't really start pinging when I read ncoast " s

message. What sets off the most strident alarm is argumentum ad

gibberum - questionable conclusions based on flimsy reasoning - and

ncdave's comments seemed to lack that. He states his points clearly

and you buy 'em or don't. Sometimes, it may take a lot of threshing

to separate wheat from chaff, but not a problem - our harvester here

is the point/counterpoint process....an unlimited opportunity via

this medium.

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Hey, we can all throw in our $0.02 here, right? Wonderful

point<>counterpoint here, ncoastDave>Dr Mark>Alan>Dave, et al. I

spend a lot of time trying to distinguish wheat from chaff, and my

chaff radar didn't really start pinging when I read ncoast " s

message. What sets off the most strident alarm is argumentum ad

gibberum - questionable conclusions based on flimsy reasoning - and

ncdave's comments seemed to lack that. He states his points clearly

and you buy 'em or don't. Sometimes, it may take a lot of threshing

to separate wheat from chaff, but not a problem - our harvester here

is the point/counterpoint process....an unlimited opportunity via

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> Re: Dr. Mark, P.,

>

> If P. tells me he works for then I know

> how to weigh and qualify his comments.

I agree up to a point. I also have a pair of Conserve Pluses,

and I'm quite glad to have someone from here. I think it's

important for Dave to mention his affiliation in his posts, so that

newcomers will be aware of his connection when he mentions various

devices. Dave, would it be asking too much for you to put a short

disclaimer at the beginning of your posts mentioning your affiliation

with just to avoid the appearance of impropriety?

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>

> If P. tells me he works for then I know

> how to weigh and qualify his comments.

I agree up to a point. I also have a pair of Conserve Pluses,

and I'm quite glad to have someone from here. I think it's

important for Dave to mention his affiliation in his posts, so that

newcomers will be aware of his connection when he mentions various

devices. Dave, would it be asking too much for you to put a short

disclaimer at the beginning of your posts mentioning your affiliation

with just to avoid the appearance of impropriety?

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You have a Corin 2000. Isn't it wonderful...no pain!

> > Most you have seen me post here before. I have made no secret

that

> I

> > have a relationship with Medical and have tried my best

to

> > not " ra ra " my product or any one Surgeon over another. I

joined

> > this group because I believe that resurfacing is the future of

> total

> > joints and thought that my " insider " knowledge may be of use to

> > some. The people that I work with are ALWAYS amazed how much

the

> > members of this board know and understand about resurfacing and

THR

> > in general. You are without a doubt the most prepared patients

any

> > surgeon would ever meet.

> >

> > Over the past few days, I have read some of the most aggressive

and

> > non hippielike posts ever seen on this site. In the past, I has

> all

> > been about resurfacing vs those non believers. Now, it seems to

> have

> > spun into people taking shots at devices and surgeons. I was

> > concerned that as FDA approval approached, things would start to

> heat

> > up.

> >

> > One has to understand that this technology does represent a

change

> in

> > the status quo of the U.S. orthopaedic world. The success of

this

> > type of product in Europe and the positive trials being

conducted

> by

> > and Corin here in the states have awakend a sleeping

> industry.

> > It has been reported that " every " yes I said " every " major

> > manufacturer of Orthopaedics in the U.S. is either buying

current

> > technology or rushing to get to the start of a clinical trial.

> >

> > I would suggest that disinformation campaigns will only get

worse

> as

> > time moves along. I also would suggest that you all take some

> > postings with a grain of salt. This web site is no secret to

those

> > throughout the industry.

> >

> > Here are the facts as they stand today. There are 3 major

> > resurfacing components available today. Those are the BHR, C2K,

> and

> > the C+. The components are very similiar and the

instrumentation

> is

> > also nearly identical. Medical was first to trial in the

> U.S.

> > and will most likely be the first apporoved by the FDA. Corin

will

> > be next and everyone else will try to leverage approval from

those

> > two successes.

> >

> > There will be adaptations and improvements to components and

> > instrumentation as time goes along. The next wave will most

likely

> > be more cup options and better instrumentation for minimally

> invasive

> > surgical techniques. These will allow for less scaring and

faster

> > over all healing.

> >

> > The true difference now is in the Surgeon's experience and

comfort

> > level with the instruments and implants. Those in Europe have

had

> > approval for a long time and prohably have the most experience

of

> any

> > group of surgeons.

> >

> > Here in the U.S. the clear leader is Dr. Amstuz with well over

800

> > implanted on the west coast. The east coast has Dr.

Mont

> > with nearly 300 successful proceedures and a reputation for

taking

> on

> > tough cases. That leaves eight other C+ sites with varing

degrees

> of

> > experience. I dont know their actual numbers and dont intend

to

> > minimize their contribution, but I do not want to fabricate

> anything

> > either.

> >

> > I cannot speak for Corin, but I am sure that someone on this

board

> > can tell us who their most experienced surgeons are.

> >

> > Twenty years from now, we can sit back and tell our

Grandchildren

> > that we were there when it all started. :)

> >

> > Dave

>

> Hi Dave,

> Thanks for the post. I appreciate your honesty. I also believe

that

> everytime you place a post on this website you should make it

> absolutely clear to the readers of this website that you have a

> conflict of interest and infuse some bias into your comments

simply

> due to the fact that you work for Medical. I believe that

if

> you wish to stay unbiased all comments regarding the benefits of

> Medical hip resurfacing should be avoided - that is unless

you

> are willing to release perioperative, short, intermediate, and

long-

> term data regarding outcomes as well as complication types and

rates

> associated with your device. I also believe that it is

inappropriate

> for you to commment either directly or indirectly about other hip

> resurfacing devices unless: a.) You work for the other respective

> companies, b.) Have receiving hip resurfacing procedure done with

the

> other devices, or c.)Have access to the results of studies

performed

> with other devices. However having said that I still appreciate

the

> general information you provide about hip resurfacing and would

> welcome your continued input.

> Regards,

> Dr. Mark

>

>

>

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You have a Corin 2000. Isn't it wonderful...no pain!

> > Most you have seen me post here before. I have made no secret

that

> I

> > have a relationship with Medical and have tried my best

to

> > not " ra ra " my product or any one Surgeon over another. I

joined

> > this group because I believe that resurfacing is the future of

> total

> > joints and thought that my " insider " knowledge may be of use to

> > some. The people that I work with are ALWAYS amazed how much

the

> > members of this board know and understand about resurfacing and

THR

> > in general. You are without a doubt the most prepared patients

any

> > surgeon would ever meet.

> >

> > Over the past few days, I have read some of the most aggressive

and

> > non hippielike posts ever seen on this site. In the past, I has

> all

> > been about resurfacing vs those non believers. Now, it seems to

> have

> > spun into people taking shots at devices and surgeons. I was

> > concerned that as FDA approval approached, things would start to

> heat

> > up.

> >

> > One has to understand that this technology does represent a

change

> in

> > the status quo of the U.S. orthopaedic world. The success of

this

> > type of product in Europe and the positive trials being

conducted

> by

> > and Corin here in the states have awakend a sleeping

> industry.

> > It has been reported that " every " yes I said " every " major

> > manufacturer of Orthopaedics in the U.S. is either buying

current

> > technology or rushing to get to the start of a clinical trial.

> >

> > I would suggest that disinformation campaigns will only get

worse

> as

> > time moves along. I also would suggest that you all take some

> > postings with a grain of salt. This web site is no secret to

those

> > throughout the industry.

> >

> > Here are the facts as they stand today. There are 3 major

> > resurfacing components available today. Those are the BHR, C2K,

> and

> > the C+. The components are very similiar and the

instrumentation

> is

> > also nearly identical. Medical was first to trial in the

> U.S.

> > and will most likely be the first apporoved by the FDA. Corin

will

> > be next and everyone else will try to leverage approval from

those

> > two successes.

> >

> > There will be adaptations and improvements to components and

> > instrumentation as time goes along. The next wave will most

likely

> > be more cup options and better instrumentation for minimally

> invasive

> > surgical techniques. These will allow for less scaring and

faster

> > over all healing.

> >

> > The true difference now is in the Surgeon's experience and

comfort

> > level with the instruments and implants. Those in Europe have

had

> > approval for a long time and prohably have the most experience

of

> any

> > group of surgeons.

> >

> > Here in the U.S. the clear leader is Dr. Amstuz with well over

800

> > implanted on the west coast. The east coast has Dr.

Mont

> > with nearly 300 successful proceedures and a reputation for

taking

> on

> > tough cases. That leaves eight other C+ sites with varing

degrees

> of

> > experience. I dont know their actual numbers and dont intend

to

> > minimize their contribution, but I do not want to fabricate

> anything

> > either.

> >

> > I cannot speak for Corin, but I am sure that someone on this

board

> > can tell us who their most experienced surgeons are.

> >

> > Twenty years from now, we can sit back and tell our

Grandchildren

> > that we were there when it all started. :)

> >

> > Dave

>

> Hi Dave,

> Thanks for the post. I appreciate your honesty. I also believe

that

> everytime you place a post on this website you should make it

> absolutely clear to the readers of this website that you have a

> conflict of interest and infuse some bias into your comments

simply

> due to the fact that you work for Medical. I believe that

if

> you wish to stay unbiased all comments regarding the benefits of

> Medical hip resurfacing should be avoided - that is unless

you

> are willing to release perioperative, short, intermediate, and

long-

> term data regarding outcomes as well as complication types and

rates

> associated with your device. I also believe that it is

inappropriate

> for you to commment either directly or indirectly about other hip

> resurfacing devices unless: a.) You work for the other respective

> companies, b.) Have receiving hip resurfacing procedure done with

the

> other devices, or c.)Have access to the results of studies

performed

> with other devices. However having said that I still appreciate

the

> general information you provide about hip resurfacing and would

> welcome your continued input.

> Regards,

> Dr. Mark

>

>

>

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Thanks for the reminder, Sherry. Goofy, I know -- but I am one of those

who checked out my options, made my decision, practice moderation in

recovery, and then " let go " of it. I enjoy (most of the time) the folks

who really, really get into the minutiae of all of this -- but it's really

different from my temperament/personality type. I'm more of the

poet/philosopher sort; I can wake up in the morning and discuss the meaning

of Life with no problem -- but would have a meltdown if someone asked me to

make a grocery list! Yeah, it's totally wonderful to not have the joint

pain. I clearly remember being near despair last winter, terrible pain

which was my constant companion. Even sleep didn't get rid of it. It's

literally like getting my life back.... By the way, I ordered and have

been taking that supplement, Dr Theo's AVOSOY plus, and it does seem to

take care of joint pain. I almost never use any ibuprofen any more. We'll

see; I've spent the morning putting up a picket fence and this ol' body has

been put to the test. Okay, so I've got it: I've got a Corin 2000. Now I

can go back and read all of that stuff about types of implants and ...

nah, I reckon I'll just let this one go on by. Joyce (Dr Gross, LHR,

2/2/04)

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You have a Corin 2000. Isn't it wonderful...no pain!

> > Most you have seen me post here before. I have made no secret

that

> I

> > have a relationship with Medical and have tried my best

to

> > not " ra ra " my product or any one Surgeon over another. I

joined

> > this group because I believe that resurfacing is the future of

> total

> > joints and thought that my " insider " knowledge may be of use to

> > some. The people that I work with are ALWAYS amazed how much

the

> > members of this board know and understand about resurfacing and

THR

> > in general. You are without a doubt the most prepared patients

any

> > surgeon would ever meet.

> >

> > Over the past few days, I have read some of the most aggressive

and

> > non hippielike posts ever seen on this site. In the past, I has

> all

> > been about resurfacing vs those non believers. Now, it seems to

> have

> > spun into people taking shots at devices and surgeons. I was

> > concerned that as FDA approval approached, things would start to

> heat

> > up.

> >

> > One has to understand that this technology does represent a

change

> in

> > the status quo of the U.S. orthopaedic world. The success of

this

> > type of product in Europe and the positive trials being

conducted

> by

> > and Corin here in the states have awakend a sleeping

> industry.

> > It has been reported that " every " yes I said " every " major

> > manufacturer of Orthopaedics in the U.S. is either buying

current

> > technology or rushing to get to the start of a clinical trial.

> >

> > I would suggest that disinformation campaigns will only get

worse

> as

> > time moves along. I also would suggest that you all take some

> > postings with a grain of salt. This web site is no secret to

those

> > throughout the industry.

> >

> > Here are the facts as they stand today. There are 3 major

> > resurfacing components available today. Those are the BHR, C2K,

> and

> > the C+. The components are very similiar and the

instrumentation

> is

> > also nearly identical. Medical was first to trial in the

> U.S.

> > and will most likely be the first apporoved by the FDA. Corin

will

> > be next and everyone else will try to leverage approval from

those

> > two successes.

> >

> > There will be adaptations and improvements to components and

> > instrumentation as time goes along. The next wave will most

likely

> > be more cup options and better instrumentation for minimally

> invasive

> > surgical techniques. These will allow for less scaring and

faster

> > over all healing.

> >

> > The true difference now is in the Surgeon's experience and

comfort

> > level with the instruments and implants. Those in Europe have

had

> > approval for a long time and prohably have the most experience

of

> any

> > group of surgeons.

> >

> > Here in the U.S. the clear leader is Dr. Amstuz with well over

800

> > implanted on the west coast. The east coast has Dr.

Mont

> > with nearly 300 successful proceedures and a reputation for

taking

> on

> > tough cases. That leaves eight other C+ sites with varing

degrees

> of

> > experience. I dont know their actual numbers and dont intend

to

> > minimize their contribution, but I do not want to fabricate

> anything

> > either.

> >

> > I cannot speak for Corin, but I am sure that someone on this

board

> > can tell us who their most experienced surgeons are.

> >

> > Twenty years from now, we can sit back and tell our

Grandchildren

> > that we were there when it all started. :)

> >

> > Dave

>

> Hi Dave,

> Thanks for the post. I appreciate your honesty. I also believe

that

> everytime you place a post on this website you should make it

> absolutely clear to the readers of this website that you have a

> conflict of interest and infuse some bias into your comments

simply

> due to the fact that you work for Medical. I believe that

if

> you wish to stay unbiased all comments regarding the benefits of

> Medical hip resurfacing should be avoided - that is unless

you

> are willing to release perioperative, short, intermediate, and

long-

> term data regarding outcomes as well as complication types and

rates

> associated with your device. I also believe that it is

inappropriate

> for you to commment either directly or indirectly about other hip

> resurfacing devices unless: a.) You work for the other respective

> companies, b.) Have receiving hip resurfacing procedure done with

the

> other devices, or c.)Have access to the results of studies

performed

> with other devices. However having said that I still appreciate

the

> general information you provide about hip resurfacing and would

> welcome your continued input.

> Regards,

> Dr. Mark

>

>

>

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Thanks for the reminder, Sherry. Goofy, I know -- but I am one of those

who checked out my options, made my decision, practice moderation in

recovery, and then " let go " of it. I enjoy (most of the time) the folks

who really, really get into the minutiae of all of this -- but it's really

different from my temperament/personality type. I'm more of the

poet/philosopher sort; I can wake up in the morning and discuss the meaning

of Life with no problem -- but would have a meltdown if someone asked me to

make a grocery list! Yeah, it's totally wonderful to not have the joint

pain. I clearly remember being near despair last winter, terrible pain

which was my constant companion. Even sleep didn't get rid of it. It's

literally like getting my life back.... By the way, I ordered and have

been taking that supplement, Dr Theo's AVOSOY plus, and it does seem to

take care of joint pain. I almost never use any ibuprofen any more. We'll

see; I've spent the morning putting up a picket fence and this ol' body has

been put to the test. Okay, so I've got it: I've got a Corin 2000. Now I

can go back and read all of that stuff about types of implants and ...

nah, I reckon I'll just let this one go on by. Joyce (Dr Gross, LHR,

2/2/04)

sungold518@...

Re: Spirited Debate, Facts and Opinions

You have a Corin 2000. Isn't it wonderful...no pain!

> > Most you have seen me post here before. I have made no secret

that

> I

> > have a relationship with Medical and have tried my best

to

> > not " ra ra " my product or any one Surgeon over another. I

joined

> > this group because I believe that resurfacing is the future of

> total

> > joints and thought that my " insider " knowledge may be of use to

> > some. The people that I work with are ALWAYS amazed how much

the

> > members of this board know and understand about resurfacing and

THR

> > in general. You are without a doubt the most prepared patients

any

> > surgeon would ever meet.

> >

> > Over the past few days, I have read some of the most aggressive

and

> > non hippielike posts ever seen on this site. In the past, I has

> all

> > been about resurfacing vs those non believers. Now, it seems to

> have

> > spun into people taking shots at devices and surgeons. I was

> > concerned that as FDA approval approached, things would start to

> heat

> > up.

> >

> > One has to understand that this technology does represent a

change

> in

> > the status quo of the U.S. orthopaedic world. The success of

this

> > type of product in Europe and the positive trials being

conducted

> by

> > and Corin here in the states have awakend a sleeping

> industry.

> > It has been reported that " every " yes I said " every " major

> > manufacturer of Orthopaedics in the U.S. is either buying

current

> > technology or rushing to get to the start of a clinical trial.

> >

> > I would suggest that disinformation campaigns will only get

worse

> as

> > time moves along. I also would suggest that you all take some

> > postings with a grain of salt. This web site is no secret to

those

> > throughout the industry.

> >

> > Here are the facts as they stand today. There are 3 major

> > resurfacing components available today. Those are the BHR, C2K,

> and

> > the C+. The components are very similiar and the

instrumentation

> is

> > also nearly identical. Medical was first to trial in the

> U.S.

> > and will most likely be the first apporoved by the FDA. Corin

will

> > be next and everyone else will try to leverage approval from

those

> > two successes.

> >

> > There will be adaptations and improvements to components and

> > instrumentation as time goes along. The next wave will most

likely

> > be more cup options and better instrumentation for minimally

> invasive

> > surgical techniques. These will allow for less scaring and

faster

> > over all healing.

> >

> > The true difference now is in the Surgeon's experience and

comfort

> > level with the instruments and implants. Those in Europe have

had

> > approval for a long time and prohably have the most experience

of

> any

> > group of surgeons.

> >

> > Here in the U.S. the clear leader is Dr. Amstuz with well over

800

> > implanted on the west coast. The east coast has Dr.

Mont

> > with nearly 300 successful proceedures and a reputation for

taking

> on

> > tough cases. That leaves eight other C+ sites with varing

degrees

> of

> > experience. I dont know their actual numbers and dont intend

to

> > minimize their contribution, but I do not want to fabricate

> anything

> > either.

> >

> > I cannot speak for Corin, but I am sure that someone on this

board

> > can tell us who their most experienced surgeons are.

> >

> > Twenty years from now, we can sit back and tell our

Grandchildren

> > that we were there when it all started. :)

> >

> > Dave

>

> Hi Dave,

> Thanks for the post. I appreciate your honesty. I also believe

that

> everytime you place a post on this website you should make it

> absolutely clear to the readers of this website that you have a

> conflict of interest and infuse some bias into your comments

simply

> due to the fact that you work for Medical. I believe that

if

> you wish to stay unbiased all comments regarding the benefits of

> Medical hip resurfacing should be avoided - that is unless

you

> are willing to release perioperative, short, intermediate, and

long-

> term data regarding outcomes as well as complication types and

rates

> associated with your device. I also believe that it is

inappropriate

> for you to commment either directly or indirectly about other hip

> resurfacing devices unless: a.) You work for the other respective

> companies, b.) Have receiving hip resurfacing procedure done with

the

> other devices, or c.)Have access to the results of studies

performed

> with other devices. However having said that I still appreciate

the

> general information you provide about hip resurfacing and would

> welcome your continued input.

> Regards,

> Dr. Mark

>

>

>

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hi-

are you implying that we form a " hipocracy " or something?

jeff

Yo, Hippies...

Perhaps we need something like a hippycratic oath to make sure the

information we get is truly both unbiased, and informed. Since

nonsuch exists at the moment, we're not really left with many

options.

Hobble on, hippies.

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Hey, we can all throw in our $0.02 here, right? Wonderful

point<>counterpoint here, ncoastDave>Dr Mark>Alan>Dave, et al. I

spend a lot of time trying to distinguish wheat from chaff, and my

chaff radar didn't really start pinging when I read ncoast " s

message. What sets off the most strident alarm is argumentum ad

gibberum - questionable conclusions based on flimsy reasoning - and

ncdave's comments seemed to lack that. He states his points clearly

and you buy 'em or don't. Sometimes, it may take a lot of threshing

to separate wheat from chaff, but not a problem - our harvester here

is the point/counterpoint process....an unlimited opportunity via

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Hey, we can all throw in our $0.02 here, right? Wonderful

point<>counterpoint here, ncoastDave>Dr Mark>Alan>Dave, et al. I

spend a lot of time trying to distinguish wheat from chaff, and my

chaff radar didn't really start pinging when I read ncoast " s

message. What sets off the most strident alarm is argumentum ad

gibberum - questionable conclusions based on flimsy reasoning - and

ncdave's comments seemed to lack that. He states his points clearly

and you buy 'em or don't. Sometimes, it may take a lot of threshing

to separate wheat from chaff, but not a problem - our harvester here

is the point/counterpoint process....an unlimited opportunity via

this medium.

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When we all have our joints fix and there are no hippies left to

hobble on...then we could jump for joy as one and enjoy the

pleasures of hip-hop-racy...or something like. (Though I'm told

once you have a resurf, there's nothing like it.)

Alan

> hi-

>

> are you implying that we form a " hipocracy " or something?

>

> jeff

>

>

> Yo, Hippies...

>

> Perhaps we need something like a hippycratic oath to make sure

the

> information we get is truly both unbiased, and informed. Since

> nonsuch exists at the moment, we're not really left with many

> options.

>

> Hobble on, hippies.

> Alan

>

>

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When we all have our joints fix and there are no hippies left to

hobble on...then we could jump for joy as one and enjoy the

pleasures of hip-hop-racy...or something like. (Though I'm told

once you have a resurf, there's nothing like it.)

Alan

> hi-

>

> are you implying that we form a " hipocracy " or something?

>

> jeff

>

>

> Yo, Hippies...

>

> Perhaps we need something like a hippycratic oath to make sure

the

> information we get is truly both unbiased, and informed. Since

> nonsuch exists at the moment, we're not really left with many

> options.

>

> Hobble on, hippies.

> Alan

>

>

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hey alan-

once you get your hip fixed, you can dance

better to the trippy music.

you'll always be a hippy. no matter what they

try to change you into.

peace, love and flowers.

signed, " dances with hippies "

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When we all have our joints fix and there are no hippies left to

hobble on...then we could jump for joy as one and enjoy the

pleasures of hip-hop-racy...or something like. (Though I'm told

once you have a resurf, there's nothing like it.)

Alan

> hi-

>

> are you implying that we form a " hipocracy " or something?

>

> jeff

>

>

> Yo, Hippies...

>

> Perhaps we need something like a hippycratic oath to make sure

the

> information we get is truly both unbiased, and informed. Since

> nonsuch exists at the moment, we're not really left with many

> options.

>

> Hobble on, hippies.

> Alan

>

>

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I'm a little like you in that I do my research and then get on with

life. But I don't know what I'd do without my lists! I remember

you saying that you felt Dr. Gross was an artist with regard to your

scar. Well, I am amazed at my 3-4 " hairline scar this time! My

other side looks wretched in comparison - wide and with all the

staple marks visible. I haven't been keepin up with surfacehippy

too much since I didn't get resurfaced myself - had the MoM large

femoral head THR, the next best thing. (Would you believe I don't

know the manufacturer of the parts I have? Lee Webb is supposed to

get my OP report and let me know. I do know that I have a 38mm

femoral head.) Have been on the totallyhip.org site telling folks

of the wonder of Dr. Gross, my surgery, and being a regular

advertisement of resurfacing and the MoM advantages. Boy does that

stir up a LOT of controversy! Anyway, you mentioned Dr. Theo's

AVOSOY as a replacement for Ibuprophen and that it works. Can you

direct me to the posts about that. I'd like to know more.

Sherry (Dr. Gross RTHR 5/19/04)

> > > Most you have seen me post here before. I have made no secret

> that

> > I

> > > have a relationship with Medical and have tried my best

> to

> > > not " ra ra " my product or any one Surgeon over another. I

> joined

> > > this group because I believe that resurfacing is the future of

> > total

> > > joints and thought that my " insider " knowledge may be of use

to

> > > some. The people that I work with are ALWAYS amazed how much

> the

> > > members of this board know and understand about resurfacing

and

> THR

> > > in general. You are without a doubt the most prepared

patients

> any

> > > surgeon would ever meet.

> > >

> > > Over the past few days, I have read some of the most

aggressive

> and

> > > non hippielike posts ever seen on this site. In the past, I

has

> > all

> > > been about resurfacing vs those non believers. Now, it seems

to

> > have

> > > spun into people taking shots at devices and surgeons. I was

> > > concerned that as FDA approval approached, things would start

to

> > heat

> > > up.

> > >

> > > One has to understand that this technology does represent a

> change

> > in

> > > the status quo of the U.S. orthopaedic world. The success of

> this

> > > type of product in Europe and the positive trials being

> conducted

> > by

> > > and Corin here in the states have awakend a sleeping

> > industry.

> > > It has been reported that " every " yes I said " every " major

> > > manufacturer of Orthopaedics in the U.S. is either buying

> current

> > > technology or rushing to get to the start of a clinical trial.

> > >

> > > I would suggest that disinformation campaigns will only get

> worse

> > as

> > > time moves along. I also would suggest that you all take some

> > > postings with a grain of salt. This web site is no secret to

> those

> > > throughout the industry.

> > >

> > > Here are the facts as they stand today. There are 3 major

> > > resurfacing components available today. Those are the BHR,

C2K,

> > and

> > > the C+. The components are very similiar and the

> instrumentation

> > is

> > > also nearly identical. Medical was first to trial in

the

> > U.S.

> > > and will most likely be the first apporoved by the FDA. Corin

> will

> > > be next and everyone else will try to leverage approval from

> those

> > > two successes.

> > >

> > > There will be adaptations and improvements to components and

> > > instrumentation as time goes along. The next wave will most

> likely

> > > be more cup options and better instrumentation for minimally

> > invasive

> > > surgical techniques. These will allow for less scaring and

> faster

> > > over all healing.

> > >

> > > The true difference now is in the Surgeon's experience and

> comfort

> > > level with the instruments and implants. Those in Europe have

> had

> > > approval for a long time and prohably have the most experience

> of

> > any

> > > group of surgeons.

> > >

> > > Here in the U.S. the clear leader is Dr. Amstuz with well over

> 800

> > > implanted on the west coast. The east coast has Dr.

> Mont

> > > with nearly 300 successful proceedures and a reputation for

> taking

> > on

> > > tough cases. That leaves eight other C+ sites with varing

> degrees

> > of

> > > experience. I dont know their actual numbers and dont intend

> to

> > > minimize their contribution, but I do not want to fabricate

> > anything

> > > either.

> > >

> > > I cannot speak for Corin, but I am sure that someone on this

> board

> > > can tell us who their most experienced surgeons are.

> > >

> > > Twenty years from now, we can sit back and tell our

> Grandchildren

> > > that we were there when it all started. :)

> > >

> > > Dave

> >

> > Hi Dave,

> > Thanks for the post. I appreciate your honesty. I also believe

> that

> > everytime you place a post on this website you should make it

> > absolutely clear to the readers of this website that you have a

> > conflict of interest and infuse some bias into your comments

> simply

> > due to the fact that you work for Medical. I believe

that

> if

> > you wish to stay unbiased all comments regarding the benefits of

> > Medical hip resurfacing should be avoided - that is

unless

> you

> > are willing to release perioperative, short, intermediate, and

> long-

> > term data regarding outcomes as well as complication types and

> rates

> > associated with your device. I also believe that it is

> inappropriate

> > for you to commment either directly or indirectly about other

hip

> > resurfacing devices unless: a.) You work for the other

respective

> > companies, b.) Have receiving hip resurfacing procedure done

with

> the

> > other devices, or c.)Have access to the results of studies

> performed

> > with other devices. However having said that I still appreciate

> the

> > general information you provide about hip resurfacing and would

> > welcome your continued input.

> > Regards,

> > Dr. Mark

> >

> >

> >

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I'm a little like you in that I do my research and then get on with

life. But I don't know what I'd do without my lists! I remember

you saying that you felt Dr. Gross was an artist with regard to your

scar. Well, I am amazed at my 3-4 " hairline scar this time! My

other side looks wretched in comparison - wide and with all the

staple marks visible. I haven't been keepin up with surfacehippy

too much since I didn't get resurfaced myself - had the MoM large

femoral head THR, the next best thing. (Would you believe I don't

know the manufacturer of the parts I have? Lee Webb is supposed to

get my OP report and let me know. I do know that I have a 38mm

femoral head.) Have been on the totallyhip.org site telling folks

of the wonder of Dr. Gross, my surgery, and being a regular

advertisement of resurfacing and the MoM advantages. Boy does that

stir up a LOT of controversy! Anyway, you mentioned Dr. Theo's

AVOSOY as a replacement for Ibuprophen and that it works. Can you

direct me to the posts about that. I'd like to know more.

Sherry (Dr. Gross RTHR 5/19/04)

> > > Most you have seen me post here before. I have made no secret

> that

> > I

> > > have a relationship with Medical and have tried my best

> to

> > > not " ra ra " my product or any one Surgeon over another. I

> joined

> > > this group because I believe that resurfacing is the future of

> > total

> > > joints and thought that my " insider " knowledge may be of use

to

> > > some. The people that I work with are ALWAYS amazed how much

> the

> > > members of this board know and understand about resurfacing

and

> THR

> > > in general. You are without a doubt the most prepared

patients

> any

> > > surgeon would ever meet.

> > >

> > > Over the past few days, I have read some of the most

aggressive

> and

> > > non hippielike posts ever seen on this site. In the past, I

has

> > all

> > > been about resurfacing vs those non believers. Now, it seems

to

> > have

> > > spun into people taking shots at devices and surgeons. I was

> > > concerned that as FDA approval approached, things would start

to

> > heat

> > > up.

> > >

> > > One has to understand that this technology does represent a

> change

> > in

> > > the status quo of the U.S. orthopaedic world. The success of

> this

> > > type of product in Europe and the positive trials being

> conducted

> > by

> > > and Corin here in the states have awakend a sleeping

> > industry.

> > > It has been reported that " every " yes I said " every " major

> > > manufacturer of Orthopaedics in the U.S. is either buying

> current

> > > technology or rushing to get to the start of a clinical trial.

> > >

> > > I would suggest that disinformation campaigns will only get

> worse

> > as

> > > time moves along. I also would suggest that you all take some

> > > postings with a grain of salt. This web site is no secret to

> those

> > > throughout the industry.

> > >

> > > Here are the facts as they stand today. There are 3 major

> > > resurfacing components available today. Those are the BHR,

C2K,

> > and

> > > the C+. The components are very similiar and the

> instrumentation

> > is

> > > also nearly identical. Medical was first to trial in

the

> > U.S.

> > > and will most likely be the first apporoved by the FDA. Corin

> will

> > > be next and everyone else will try to leverage approval from

> those

> > > two successes.

> > >

> > > There will be adaptations and improvements to components and

> > > instrumentation as time goes along. The next wave will most

> likely

> > > be more cup options and better instrumentation for minimally

> > invasive

> > > surgical techniques. These will allow for less scaring and

> faster

> > > over all healing.

> > >

> > > The true difference now is in the Surgeon's experience and

> comfort

> > > level with the instruments and implants. Those in Europe have

> had

> > > approval for a long time and prohably have the most experience

> of

> > any

> > > group of surgeons.

> > >

> > > Here in the U.S. the clear leader is Dr. Amstuz with well over

> 800

> > > implanted on the west coast. The east coast has Dr.

> Mont

> > > with nearly 300 successful proceedures and a reputation for

> taking

> > on

> > > tough cases. That leaves eight other C+ sites with varing

> degrees

> > of

> > > experience. I dont know their actual numbers and dont intend

> to

> > > minimize their contribution, but I do not want to fabricate

> > anything

> > > either.

> > >

> > > I cannot speak for Corin, but I am sure that someone on this

> board

> > > can tell us who their most experienced surgeons are.

> > >

> > > Twenty years from now, we can sit back and tell our

> Grandchildren

> > > that we were there when it all started. :)

> > >

> > > Dave

> >

> > Hi Dave,

> > Thanks for the post. I appreciate your honesty. I also believe

> that

> > everytime you place a post on this website you should make it

> > absolutely clear to the readers of this website that you have a

> > conflict of interest and infuse some bias into your comments

> simply

> > due to the fact that you work for Medical. I believe

that

> if

> > you wish to stay unbiased all comments regarding the benefits of

> > Medical hip resurfacing should be avoided - that is

unless

> you

> > are willing to release perioperative, short, intermediate, and

> long-

> > term data regarding outcomes as well as complication types and

> rates

> > associated with your device. I also believe that it is

> inappropriate

> > for you to commment either directly or indirectly about other

hip

> > resurfacing devices unless: a.) You work for the other

respective

> > companies, b.) Have receiving hip resurfacing procedure done

with

> the

> > other devices, or c.)Have access to the results of studies

> performed

> > with other devices. However having said that I still appreciate

> the

> > general information you provide about hip resurfacing and would

> > welcome your continued input.

> > Regards,

> > Dr. Mark

> >

> >

> >

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Sherry,

I believe that the large MoM device that Dr. Gross uses is also made

by Corin.

Fred

Dr. Gross, C2K 1/21/04

> > > > Most you have seen me post here before. I have made no

secret

> > that

> > > I

> > > > have a relationship with Medical and have tried my

best

> > to

> > > > not " ra ra " my product or any one Surgeon over another. I

> > joined

> > > > this group because I believe that resurfacing is the future

of

> > > total

> > > > joints and thought that my " insider " knowledge may be of use

> to

> > > > some. The people that I work with are ALWAYS amazed how

much

> > the

> > > > members of this board know and understand about resurfacing

> and

> > THR

> > > > in general. You are without a doubt the most prepared

> patients

> > any

> > > > surgeon would ever meet.

> > > >

> > > > Over the past few days, I have read some of the most

> aggressive

> > and

> > > > non hippielike posts ever seen on this site. In the past, I

> has

> > > all

> > > > been about resurfacing vs those non believers. Now, it

seems

> to

> > > have

> > > > spun into people taking shots at devices and surgeons. I

was

> > > > concerned that as FDA approval approached, things would

start

> to

> > > heat

> > > > up.

> > > >

> > > > One has to understand that this technology does represent a

> > change

> > > in

> > > > the status quo of the U.S. orthopaedic world. The success

of

> > this

> > > > type of product in Europe and the positive trials being

> > conducted

> > > by

> > > > and Corin here in the states have awakend a sleeping

> > > industry.

> > > > It has been reported that " every " yes I said " every " major

> > > > manufacturer of Orthopaedics in the U.S. is either buying

> > current

> > > > technology or rushing to get to the start of a clinical

trial.

> > > >

> > > > I would suggest that disinformation campaigns will only get

> > worse

> > > as

> > > > time moves along. I also would suggest that you all take

some

> > > > postings with a grain of salt. This web site is no secret

to

> > those

> > > > throughout the industry.

> > > >

> > > > Here are the facts as they stand today. There are 3 major

> > > > resurfacing components available today. Those are the BHR,

> C2K,

> > > and

> > > > the C+. The components are very similiar and the

> > instrumentation

> > > is

> > > > also nearly identical. Medical was first to trial in

> the

> > > U.S.

> > > > and will most likely be the first apporoved by the FDA.

Corin

> > will

> > > > be next and everyone else will try to leverage approval from

> > those

> > > > two successes.

> > > >

> > > > There will be adaptations and improvements to components and

> > > > instrumentation as time goes along. The next wave will most

> > likely

> > > > be more cup options and better instrumentation for minimally

> > > invasive

> > > > surgical techniques. These will allow for less scaring and

> > faster

> > > > over all healing.

> > > >

> > > > The true difference now is in the Surgeon's experience and

> > comfort

> > > > level with the instruments and implants. Those in Europe

have

> > had

> > > > approval for a long time and prohably have the most

experience

> > of

> > > any

> > > > group of surgeons.

> > > >

> > > > Here in the U.S. the clear leader is Dr. Amstuz with well

over

> > 800

> > > > implanted on the west coast. The east coast has Dr.

> > Mont

> > > > with nearly 300 successful proceedures and a reputation for

> > taking

> > > on

> > > > tough cases. That leaves eight other C+ sites with varing

> > degrees

> > > of

> > > > experience. I dont know their actual numbers and dont

intend

> > to

> > > > minimize their contribution, but I do not want to fabricate

> > > anything

> > > > either.

> > > >

> > > > I cannot speak for Corin, but I am sure that someone on this

> > board

> > > > can tell us who their most experienced surgeons are.

> > > >

> > > > Twenty years from now, we can sit back and tell our

> > Grandchildren

> > > > that we were there when it all started. :)

> > > >

> > > > Dave

> > >

> > > Hi Dave,

> > > Thanks for the post. I appreciate your honesty. I also

believe

> > that

> > > everytime you place a post on this website you should make it

> > > absolutely clear to the readers of this website that you have

a

> > > conflict of interest and infuse some bias into your comments

> > simply

> > > due to the fact that you work for Medical. I believe

> that

> > if

> > > you wish to stay unbiased all comments regarding the benefits

of

> > > Medical hip resurfacing should be avoided - that is

> unless

> > you

> > > are willing to release perioperative, short, intermediate, and

> > long-

> > > term data regarding outcomes as well as complication types and

> > rates

> > > associated with your device. I also believe that it is

> > inappropriate

> > > for you to commment either directly or indirectly about other

> hip

> > > resurfacing devices unless: a.) You work for the other

> respective

> > > companies, b.) Have receiving hip resurfacing procedure done

> with

> > the

> > > other devices, or c.)Have access to the results of studies

> > performed

> > > with other devices. However having said that I still

appreciate

> > the

> > > general information you provide about hip resurfacing and

would

> > > welcome your continued input.

> > > Regards,

> > > Dr. Mark

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> > > > > Most you have seen me post here before. I have made no

> secret

> > > that

> > > > I

> > > > > have a relationship with Medical and have tried my

> best

> > > to

> > > > > not " ra ra " my product or any one Surgeon over another. I

> > > joined

> > > > > this group because I believe that resurfacing is the future

> of

> > > > total

> > > > > joints and thought that my " insider " knowledge may be of

use

> > to

> > > > > some. The people that I work with are ALWAYS amazed how

> much

> > > the

> > > > > members of this board know and understand about resurfacing

> > and

> > > THR

> > > > > in general. You are without a doubt the most prepared

> > patients

> > > any

> > > > > surgeon would ever meet.

> > > > >

> > > > > Over the past few days, I have read some of the most

> > aggressive

> > > and

> > > > > non hippielike posts ever seen on this site. In the past,

I

> > has

> > > > all

> > > > > been about resurfacing vs those non believers. Now, it

> seems

> > to

> > > > have

> > > > > spun into people taking shots at devices and surgeons. I

> was

> > > > > concerned that as FDA approval approached, things would

> start

> > to

> > > > heat

> > > > > up.

> > > > >

> > > > > One has to understand that this technology does represent a

> > > change

> > > > in

> > > > > the status quo of the U.S. orthopaedic world. The success

> of

> > > this

> > > > > type of product in Europe and the positive trials being

> > > conducted

> > > > by

> > > > > and Corin here in the states have awakend a sleeping

> > > > industry.

> > > > > It has been reported that " every " yes I said " every " major

> > > > > manufacturer of Orthopaedics in the U.S. is either buying

> > > current

> > > > > technology or rushing to get to the start of a clinical

> trial.

> > > > >

> > > > > I would suggest that disinformation campaigns will only get

> > > worse

> > > > as

> > > > > time moves along. I also would suggest that you all take

> some

> > > > > postings with a grain of salt. This web site is no secret

> to

> > > those

> > > > > throughout the industry.

> > > > >

> > > > > Here are the facts as they stand today. There are 3 major

> > > > > resurfacing components available today. Those are the BHR,

> > C2K,

> > > > and

> > > > > the C+. The components are very similiar and the

> > > instrumentation

> > > > is

> > > > > also nearly identical. Medical was first to trial

in

> > the

> > > > U.S.

> > > > > and will most likely be the first apporoved by the FDA.

> Corin

> > > will

> > > > > be next and everyone else will try to leverage approval

from

> > > those

> > > > > two successes.

> > > > >

> > > > > There will be adaptations and improvements to components

and

> > > > > instrumentation as time goes along. The next wave will

most

> > > likely

> > > > > be more cup options and better instrumentation for

minimally

> > > > invasive

> > > > > surgical techniques. These will allow for less scaring and

> > > faster

> > > > > over all healing.

> > > > >

> > > > > The true difference now is in the Surgeon's experience and

> > > comfort

> > > > > level with the instruments and implants. Those in Europe

> have

> > > had

> > > > > approval for a long time and prohably have the most

> experience

> > > of

> > > > any

> > > > > group of surgeons.

> > > > >

> > > > > Here in the U.S. the clear leader is Dr. Amstuz with well

> over

> > > 800

> > > > > implanted on the west coast. The east coast has Dr.

> > > Mont

> > > > > with nearly 300 successful proceedures and a reputation for

> > > taking

> > > > on

> > > > > tough cases. That leaves eight other C+ sites with varing

> > > degrees

> > > > of

> > > > > experience. I dont know their actual numbers and dont

> intend

> > > to

> > > > > minimize their contribution, but I do not want to fabricate

> > > > anything

> > > > > either.

> > > > >

> > > > > I cannot speak for Corin, but I am sure that someone on

this

> > > board

> > > > > can tell us who their most experienced surgeons are.

> > > > >

> > > > > Twenty years from now, we can sit back and tell our

> > > Grandchildren

> > > > > that we were there when it all started. :)

> > > > >

> > > > > Dave

> > > >

> > > > Hi Dave,

> > > > Thanks for the post. I appreciate your honesty. I also

> believe

> > > that

> > > > everytime you place a post on this website you should make it

> > > > absolutely clear to the readers of this website that you have

> a

> > > > conflict of interest and infuse some bias into your comments

> > > simply

> > > > due to the fact that you work for Medical. I believe

> > that

> > > if

> > > > you wish to stay unbiased all comments regarding the benefits

> of

> > > > Medical hip resurfacing should be avoided - that is

> > unless

> > > you

> > > > are willing to release perioperative, short, intermediate,

and

> > > long-

> > > > term data regarding outcomes as well as complication types

and

> > > rates

> > > > associated with your device. I also believe that it is

> > > inappropriate

> > > > for you to commment either directly or indirectly about other

> > hip

> > > > resurfacing devices unless: a.) You work for the other

> > respective

> > > > companies, b.) Have receiving hip resurfacing procedure done

> > with

> > > the

> > > > other devices, or c.)Have access to the results of studies

> > > performed

> > > > with other devices. However having said that I still

> appreciate

> > > the

> > > > general information you provide about hip resurfacing and

> would

> > > > welcome your continued input.

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Dr. Mark

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Thanks . I forgot about your telling me about the Biomet

device.

Fred

> > > > > > Most you have seen me post here before. I have made no

> > secret

> > > > that

> > > > > I

> > > > > > have a relationship with Medical and have tried

my

> > best

> > > > to

> > > > > > not " ra ra " my product or any one Surgeon over another.

I

> > > > joined

> > > > > > this group because I believe that resurfacing is the

future

> > of

> > > > > total

> > > > > > joints and thought that my " insider " knowledge may be of

> use

> > > to

> > > > > > some. The people that I work with are ALWAYS amazed how

> > much

> > > > the

> > > > > > members of this board know and understand about

resurfacing

> > > and

> > > > THR

> > > > > > in general. You are without a doubt the most prepared

> > > patients

> > > > any

> > > > > > surgeon would ever meet.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Over the past few days, I have read some of the most

> > > aggressive

> > > > and

> > > > > > non hippielike posts ever seen on this site. In the

past,

> I

> > > has

> > > > > all

> > > > > > been about resurfacing vs those non believers. Now, it

> > seems

> > > to

> > > > > have

> > > > > > spun into people taking shots at devices and surgeons.

I

> > was

> > > > > > concerned that as FDA approval approached, things would

> > start

> > > to

> > > > > heat

> > > > > > up.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One has to understand that this technology does

represent a

> > > > change

> > > > > in

> > > > > > the status quo of the U.S. orthopaedic world. The

success

> > of

> > > > this

> > > > > > type of product in Europe and the positive trials being

> > > > conducted

> > > > > by

> > > > > > and Corin here in the states have awakend a

sleeping

> > > > > industry.

> > > > > > It has been reported that " every " yes I said " every "

major

> > > > > > manufacturer of Orthopaedics in the U.S. is either

buying

> > > > current

> > > > > > technology or rushing to get to the start of a clinical

> > trial.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I would suggest that disinformation campaigns will only

get

> > > > worse

> > > > > as

> > > > > > time moves along. I also would suggest that you all

take

> > some

> > > > > > postings with a grain of salt. This web site is no

secret

> > to

> > > > those

> > > > > > throughout the industry.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here are the facts as they stand today. There are 3

major

> > > > > > resurfacing components available today. Those are the

BHR,

> > > C2K,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > the C+. The components are very similiar and the

> > > > instrumentation

> > > > > is

> > > > > > also nearly identical. Medical was first to

trial

> in

> > > the

> > > > > U.S.

> > > > > > and will most likely be the first apporoved by the FDA.

> > Corin

> > > > will

> > > > > > be next and everyone else will try to leverage approval

> from

> > > > those

> > > > > > two successes.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There will be adaptations and improvements to components

> and

> > > > > > instrumentation as time goes along. The next wave will

> most

> > > > likely

> > > > > > be more cup options and better instrumentation for

> minimally

> > > > > invasive

> > > > > > surgical techniques. These will allow for less scaring

and

> > > > faster

> > > > > > over all healing.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The true difference now is in the Surgeon's experience

and

> > > > comfort

> > > > > > level with the instruments and implants. Those in

Europe

> > have

> > > > had

> > > > > > approval for a long time and prohably have the most

> > experience

> > > > of

> > > > > any

> > > > > > group of surgeons.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here in the U.S. the clear leader is Dr. Amstuz with

well

> > over

> > > > 800

> > > > > > implanted on the west coast. The east coast has Dr.

>

> > > > Mont

> > > > > > with nearly 300 successful proceedures and a reputation

for

> > > > taking

> > > > > on

> > > > > > tough cases. That leaves eight other C+ sites with

varing

> > > > degrees

> > > > > of

> > > > > > experience. I dont know their actual numbers and dont

> > intend

> > > > to

> > > > > > minimize their contribution, but I do not want to

fabricate

> > > > > anything

> > > > > > either.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I cannot speak for Corin, but I am sure that someone on

> this

> > > > board

> > > > > > can tell us who their most experienced surgeons are.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Twenty years from now, we can sit back and tell our

> > > > Grandchildren

> > > > > > that we were there when it all started. :)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dave

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi Dave,

> > > > > Thanks for the post. I appreciate your honesty. I also

> > believe

> > > > that

> > > > > everytime you place a post on this website you should make

it

> > > > > absolutely clear to the readers of this website that you

have

> > a

> > > > > conflict of interest and infuse some bias into your

comments

> > > > simply

> > > > > due to the fact that you work for Medical. I

believe

> > > that

> > > > if

> > > > > you wish to stay unbiased all comments regarding the

benefits

> > of

> > > > > Medical hip resurfacing should be avoided - that is

> > > unless

> > > > you

> > > > > are willing to release perioperative, short, intermediate,

> and

> > > > long-

> > > > > term data regarding outcomes as well as complication types

> and

> > > > rates

> > > > > associated with your device. I also believe that it is

> > > > inappropriate

> > > > > for you to commment either directly or indirectly about

other

> > > hip

> > > > > resurfacing devices unless: a.) You work for the other

> > > respective

> > > > > companies, b.) Have receiving hip resurfacing procedure

done

> > > with

> > > > the

> > > > > other devices, or c.)Have access to the results of studies

> > > > performed

> > > > > with other devices. However having said that I still

> > appreciate

> > > > the

> > > > > general information you provide about hip resurfacing and

> > would

> > > > > welcome your continued input.

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Dr. Mark

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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