Re: NADH - need to up dosage?

[Guest guest]

I had side effects on 5 mg and couldn't take the NADH.

ohgminion wrote:

>I know this is a bit of a sore point, giving out opinions on dosages,

>but I'm wondering if I should up my NADH dosage.

>

>To recap, I don't respond to CoQ10 or Carnitor (and don't show

>deficiencies in blood tests), and I've used NADH for a while, 5 mg

>once a day.

>

>Is anyone taking more NADH than that? I'd like to increase to 5 mg

>twice per day, and see how that goes. The " normal person " dosage is

>5 mg or 10 mg at once, so I think 5 mg twice per day shouldn't be an

>issue, maybe I should even up it from that?

>

>Has anyone had side effects from NADH, or am I one of the only few on

>it now? I had side effects from CoQ10 and Carnitor, one of the major

>reasons I don't take them now...

>

>Thanks,

>RH

>

>

>

>

>

>

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RH

I had worsening of symptoms on it. While at the conference, the rep for

N-factor said that he then understood why and that it would mean re-thinking

the entire recommendation. He mentioned something about specific

antioxidents that I was not taking.

laurie

>

> Reply-To:

> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:35:42 -0000

> To:

> Subject: NADH - need to up dosage?

>

>

> I know this is a bit of a sore point, giving out opinions on dosages,

> but I'm wondering if I should up my NADH dosage.

>

> To recap, I don't respond to CoQ10 or Carnitor (and don't show

> deficiencies in blood tests), and I've used NADH for a while, 5 mg

> once a day.

>

> Is anyone taking more NADH than that? I'd like to increase to 5 mg

> twice per day, and see how that goes. The " normal person " dosage is

> 5 mg or 10 mg at once, so I think 5 mg twice per day shouldn't be an

> issue, maybe I should even up it from that?

>

> Has anyone had side effects from NADH, or am I one of the only few on

> it now? I had side effects from CoQ10 and Carnitor, one of the major

> reasons I don't take them now...

>

> Thanks,

> RH

>

>

>

>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

RH, and Laurie,

I, too also had a worsening of syptoms when I tried taking it.

Sorry I can't be of more help.

Ann-Marie

NADH - need to up dosage?

>

>

> I know this is a bit of a sore point, giving out opinions on dosages,

> but I'm wondering if I should up my NADH dosage.

>

> To recap, I don't respond to CoQ10 or Carnitor (and don't show

> deficiencies in blood tests), and I've used NADH for a while, 5 mg

> once a day.

>

> Is anyone taking more NADH than that? I'd like to increase to 5 mg

> twice per day, and see how that goes. The " normal person " dosage is

> 5 mg or 10 mg at once, so I think 5 mg twice per day shouldn't be an

> issue, maybe I should even up it from that?

>

> Has anyone had side effects from NADH, or am I one of the only few on

> it now? I had side effects from CoQ10 and Carnitor, one of the major

> reasons I don't take them now...

>

> Thanks,

> RH

>

>

>

>

>

> Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained herein

> are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of this e mail

is

> entirely responsible for its content. List members are reminded of their

> responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and consult with

their

> physicians regarding changes in their own treatment.

>

> Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who sends one is

> automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of the attack.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well, understanding a bit about biochemical reactions, I think that

some of us who do well on CoQ10 may not do well on NADH, and vice

versa. Namely, if CoQ10 and NADH are " raw ingredients " in the

Complex I reaction, our bodies would tend to overcompensate by making

more of the component that isn't missing.

So if you're low on CoQ10, more NADH may make things worse if your

body is already making sufficient (or even extra) NADH (and you lack

the CoQ10 part of the equation).

I seem to be the opposite, I do really poorly on CoQ10, I get severe

insomnia (= no sleep, not even 10 minutes per day), jittery, no

cessation or improvement of symptoms. It's been shown that I have no

CoQ10 deficiency, although after I tried CoQ10 many times,

unfortunately I don't think they test for a NADH deficiency.

Interestingly, I started B100 complex, thought it was helping, then

realized after a week that I was getting much worse, so had to stop

it. I think it could be the same thing, if any of the B vitamins

were deficient, the others might be " overproduced " , so I was

essentially overdosing on the other B vitamins that my body has.

NADH is a relative of niacin, but with some extra stuff attached. I

wonder, have those who have had trouble with NADH also had trouble

with niacin?

I did decide to add an extra NADH dosage earlier in the day

yesterday, and I did really well on it. We'll see how today goes.

If I decide to change my supplements, I do it on days my schedule is

light and there will be other people around in case there are any

unforeseen issues. I don't celebrate the holidays traditionally, so

it's not really a stressful time for me either.

It's frustrating that I'm even different than the rest of you, when

these disorders are already so rare.

As ever, I'm not a doctor, this is my experience, and YMMV. It's

funny to say " of course I don't recommend people changing their

medication on their own " , but then again, regarding the meds

regulated as supplements, the doctors have all but told me to do that

(and it seems others have that impression as well, correct?)

Another interesting thing is that, from what I've read here, the

dosages of CoQ10 can range from 60 mg - 1,000 mg per day, whereas the

NADH dosage is only 5 - 10 mg per day. I wonder why that is?

Too bad the doctors can't figure out some tests to decide if we'll

respond to supplement A or B or C...

Take care,

RH

> RH, and Laurie,

>

> I, too also had a worsening of syptoms when I tried taking it.

>

> Sorry I can't be of more help.

>

> Ann-Marie

>

> NADH - need to up dosage?

> >

> >

> > I know this is a bit of a sore point, giving out opinions on

dosages,

> > but I'm wondering if I should up my NADH dosage.

> >

> > To recap, I don't respond to CoQ10 or Carnitor (and don't show

> > deficiencies in blood tests), and I've used NADH for a while, 5

mg

> > once a day.

> >

> > Is anyone taking more NADH than that? I'd like to increase to

5 mg

> > twice per day, and see how that goes. The " normal person "

dosage is

> > 5 mg or 10 mg at once, so I think 5 mg twice per day shouldn't

be an

> > issue, maybe I should even up it from that?

> >

> > Has anyone had side effects from NADH, or am I one of the only

few on

> > it now? I had side effects from CoQ10 and Carnitor, one of the

major

> > reasons I don't take them now...

> >

> > Thanks,

> > RH

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements

contained herein

> > are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of

this e mail is

> > entirely responsible for its content. List members are reminded

of their

> > responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and

consult with their

> > physicians regarding changes in their own treatment.

> >

> > Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who

sends one is

> > automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of

the attack.

> >

> >

> >

> >

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RH

I think you have an idea going. It was explained to me, that the NADH can

make the body produce more of the damaged mito in some of us. That is what

they think happened with me. It may be that CoQ10 does something similar

with you.

laurie

>

> Reply-To:

> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:29:09 -0000

> To:

> Subject: Re: NADH - need to up dosage?

>

>

> Well, understanding a bit about biochemical reactions, I think that

> some of us who do well on CoQ10 may not do well on NADH, and vice

> versa. Namely, if CoQ10 and NADH are " raw ingredients " in the

> Complex I reaction, our bodies would tend to overcompensate by making

> more of the component that isn't missing.

>

> So if you're low on CoQ10, more NADH may make things worse if your

> body is already making sufficient (or even extra) NADH (and you lack

> the CoQ10 part of the equation).

>

> I seem to be the opposite, I do really poorly on CoQ10, I get severe

> insomnia (= no sleep, not even 10 minutes per day), jittery, no

> cessation or improvement of symptoms. It's been shown that I have no

> CoQ10 deficiency, although after I tried CoQ10 many times,

> unfortunately I don't think they test for a NADH deficiency.

> Interestingly, I started B100 complex, thought it was helping, then

> realized after a week that I was getting much worse, so had to stop

> it. I think it could be the same thing, if any of the B vitamins

> were deficient, the others might be " overproduced " , so I was

> essentially overdosing on the other B vitamins that my body has.

> NADH is a relative of niacin, but with some extra stuff attached. I

> wonder, have those who have had trouble with NADH also had trouble

> with niacin?

>

> I did decide to add an extra NADH dosage earlier in the day

> yesterday, and I did really well on it. We'll see how today goes.

> If I decide to change my supplements, I do it on days my schedule is

> light and there will be other people around in case there are any

> unforeseen issues. I don't celebrate the holidays traditionally, so

> it's not really a stressful time for me either.

>

> It's frustrating that I'm even different than the rest of you, when

> these disorders are already so rare.

>

> As ever, I'm not a doctor, this is my experience, and YMMV. It's

> funny to say " of course I don't recommend people changing their

> medication on their own " , but then again, regarding the meds

> regulated as supplements, the doctors have all but told me to do that

> (and it seems others have that impression as well, correct?)

>

> Another interesting thing is that, from what I've read here, the

> dosages of CoQ10 can range from 60 mg - 1,000 mg per day, whereas the

> NADH dosage is only 5 - 10 mg per day. I wonder why that is?

>

> Too bad the doctors can't figure out some tests to decide if we'll

> respond to supplement A or B or C...

>

> Take care,

> RH

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>> RH, and Laurie,

>>

>> I, too also had a worsening of syptoms when I tried taking it.

>>

>> Sorry I can't be of more help.

>>

>> Ann-Marie

>>

>> NADH - need to up dosage?

>>>

>>>

>>> I know this is a bit of a sore point, giving out opinions on

> dosages,

>>> but I'm wondering if I should up my NADH dosage.

>>>

>>> To recap, I don't respond to CoQ10 or Carnitor (and don't show

>>> deficiencies in blood tests), and I've used NADH for a while, 5

> mg

>>> once a day.

>>>

>>> Is anyone taking more NADH than that? I'd like to increase to

> 5 mg

>>> twice per day, and see how that goes. The " normal person "

> dosage is

>>> 5 mg or 10 mg at once, so I think 5 mg twice per day shouldn't

> be an

>>> issue, maybe I should even up it from that?

>>>

>>> Has anyone had side effects from NADH, or am I one of the only

> few on

>>> it now? I had side effects from CoQ10 and Carnitor, one of the

> major

>>> reasons I don't take them now...

>>>

>>> Thanks,

>>> RH

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements

> contained herein

>>> are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of

> this e mail is

>>> entirely responsible for its content. List members are reminded

> of their

>>> responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and

> consult with their

>>> physicians regarding changes in their own treatment.

>>>

>>> Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who

> sends one is

>>> automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of

> the attack.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>