Re: Confused about flu shots

[Guest guest]

I was told by my doctor that the mist they had last year did not work

at all. It does have live virus, but it is not a flu virus per se,

it is modified to survive only at 70 degrees F or so, not 98.6 F or

more like our bodies. So it seems that it is considered " safe " for

that reason.

I have a lot of other opinions on the flu shots, but everybody should

yield to their doctor and their own judgement.

I don't get the flu shot because of reactions, was never offered the

mist, and my doctor has never mentioned it for my kids ever (they are

7, 3, and 1 now), nor for my husband. It amuses me to think they

tell everyone to get flu shots, regardless of age, now they are

backpedalling because of quantity limits.

Take care,

RH

>

> > My pediatrician's office wants my kids to get shots and they have

> both the

> > shot and the mist. One doc said...definitely get the mist it

> works better.

> > Another pediatrician in the same office STRONGLY suggested to get

> the shot, not

> > the mist as the shot has dead virus in it and the mist has live

> virus in

> > it....Anyone want to weigh in on this mystery? My kids were

> psyched to not get a

> > shot....now they're petrified to get the shot.

>

>

> I heard an hour-long discussion of flu shots on NPR today. The

> doctor/expert guest said the mist does have live virus and for that

> reason it is recommend ONLY for healthy people ages 5-49. It is NOT

> recommended for anyone with chronic illness of any age, or for

> healthy children under age 5 or for healthy adults age 50 or older.

>

> The shot is recommended for anyone with chronic illness.

> Hope this helps.

> Barbara

>

> Barbara

[Guest guest]

> I got the shot last year at the MDA Clinic and believe me, I WILL

> NOT being getting another flu shot(or the Mist) this year. I was

> sick within days, but everybody said it can't be from the Flu shot,

> it has a dead virus in it, not a live one.

Even though it is a dead virus, it still has proteins from the actual

virus, so your body could react to those. I get an immediate

reaction to the flu shot, but I'm not sure if I continued with a

reaction from it.

The live virus may be safer than the dead because it is modified to

live at a much lower temperature (thus live in your nose, not bother

you, and cause your immune system to beat up any similar viruses,

like the real flu). But the dead virus is the real thing, with all

the real proteins.

If any of us have over active immune systems (i.e., autoimmune

disease, difficult to detect), it could respond to the proteins in

the flu shot.

I avoid the flu shot for me and my family, YMMV...

Take care,

RH

[Guest guest]

> My pediatrician's office wants my kids to get shots and they have

> both the shot and the mist. One doc said...definitely get the mist

> it works better. Another pediatrician in the same office STRONGLY

> suggested to get the shot, not the mist as the shot has dead virus

> in it and the mist has live virus in it....Anyone want to weigh in

> on this mystery? My kids were psyched to not get a

> shot....now they're petrified to get the shot.

I have another post discussing live and dead virus - upshot is, it

may not matter. Having a biochemistry background, it doesn't make

ANY sense to me to have both the shot and mist, sounds like someone

is getting residuals from pharmaceutical companies. They do act a

bit different, but why make your immune system exposed to two

different bugs at the same time?

In the U.S., what I've heard is they are not recommending healthy

people below the age of 65 to get a flu shot, which would include

kids (even infants). Of course the older people I know are not

getting the flu shot...

Take care,

RH

[Guest guest]

RH

Since I had all the specification read to me on Friday, I think they are as

followed:

All in a household who has an infant under 6 months.

Those in the 6 mo. to 3 year range.

Those who are over 65

Those who care for someone who is at risk, but can't get it themselves.

(protection for that person)

All with chronic diseases

All those working in the health care field

All nursing home residents and staff

All working with medically fragile individuals.

laurie

>

> Reply-To:

> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 18:37:40 -0000

> To:

> Subject: Re: Confused about flu shots

>

>

>> My pediatrician's office wants my kids to get shots and they have

>> both the shot and the mist. One doc said...definitely get the mist

>> it works better. Another pediatrician in the same office STRONGLY

>> suggested to get the shot, not the mist as the shot has dead virus

>> in it and the mist has live virus in it....Anyone want to weigh in

>> on this mystery? My kids were psyched to not get a

>> shot....now they're petrified to get the shot.

>

> I have another post discussing live and dead virus - upshot is, it

> may not matter. Having a biochemistry background, it doesn't make

> ANY sense to me to have both the shot and mist, sounds like someone

> is getting residuals from pharmaceutical companies. They do act a

> bit different, but why make your immune system exposed to two

> different bugs at the same time?

>

> In the U.S., what I've heard is they are not recommending healthy

> people below the age of 65 to get a flu shot, which would include

> kids (even infants). Of course the older people I know are not

> getting the flu shot...

>

> Take care,

> RH

>

>

>

>

>

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>

>

>

[Guest guest]

RH

Since I had all the specification read to me on Friday, I think they are as

followed:

All in a household who has an infant under 6 months.

Those in the 6 mo. to 3 year range.

Those who are over 65

Those who care for someone who is at risk, but can't get it themselves.

(protection for that person)

All with chronic diseases

All those working in the health care field

All nursing home residents and staff

All working with medically fragile individuals.

laurie

>

> Reply-To:

> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 18:37:40 -0000

> To:

> Subject: Re: Confused about flu shots

>

>

>> My pediatrician's office wants my kids to get shots and they have

>> both the shot and the mist. One doc said...definitely get the mist

>> it works better. Another pediatrician in the same office STRONGLY

>> suggested to get the shot, not the mist as the shot has dead virus

>> in it and the mist has live virus in it....Anyone want to weigh in

>> on this mystery? My kids were psyched to not get a

>> shot....now they're petrified to get the shot.

>

> I have another post discussing live and dead virus - upshot is, it

> may not matter. Having a biochemistry background, it doesn't make

> ANY sense to me to have both the shot and mist, sounds like someone

> is getting residuals from pharmaceutical companies. They do act a

> bit different, but why make your immune system exposed to two

> different bugs at the same time?

>

> In the U.S., what I've heard is they are not recommending healthy

> people below the age of 65 to get a flu shot, which would include

> kids (even infants). Of course the older people I know are not

> getting the flu shot...

>

> Take care,

> RH

>

>

>

>

>

> Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained herein

> are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of this e mail is

> entirely responsible for its content. List members are reminded of their

> responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and consult with their

> physicians regarding changes in their own treatment.

>

> Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who sends one is

> automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of the attack.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Tks for this information. My husband has always been my flu

protection because I can't get the shot. Since I am rarely out, I

would most likely get flu from him and if he gets the shot then I

feel protected. We're not sure where he is going to be able to get

it this year though. Local sources are limited, but we're going to

try.

Barbara

> RH

>

> Since I had all the specification read to me on Friday, I think

they are as

> followed:

>

> All in a household who has an infant under 6 months.

> Those in the 6 mo. to 3 year range.

> Those who are over 65

> Those who care for someone who is at risk, but can't get it

themselves.

> (protection for that person)

> All with chronic diseases

> All those working in the health care field

> All nursing home residents and staff

> All working with medically fragile individuals.

>

> laurie

>

> > From: " ohgminion "

> > Reply-To:

> > Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 18:37:40 -0000

> > To:

> > Subject: Re: Confused about flu shots

> >

> >

> >> My pediatrician's office wants my kids to get shots and they

have

> >> both the shot and the mist. One doc said...definitely get the

mist

> >> it works better. Another pediatrician in the same office

STRONGLY

> >> suggested to get the shot, not the mist as the shot has dead

virus

> >> in it and the mist has live virus in it....Anyone want to weigh

in

> >> on this mystery? My kids were psyched to not get a

> >> shot....now they're petrified to get the shot.

> >

> > I have another post discussing live and dead virus - upshot is,

it

> > may not matter. Having a biochemistry background, it doesn't

make

> > ANY sense to me to have both the shot and mist, sounds like

someone

> > is getting residuals from pharmaceutical companies. They do act

a

> > bit different, but why make your immune system exposed to two

> > different bugs at the same time?

> >

> > In the U.S., what I've heard is they are not recommending healthy

> > people below the age of 65 to get a flu shot, which would include

> > kids (even infants). Of course the older people I know are not

> > getting the flu shot...

> >

> > Take care,

> > RH

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements

contained herein

> > are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of

this e mail is

> > entirely responsible for its content. List members are reminded

of their

> > responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and

consult with their

> > physicians regarding changes in their own treatment.

> >

> > Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who

sends one is

> > automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of

the attack.

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Tks for this information. My husband has always been my flu

protection because I can't get the shot. Since I am rarely out, I

would most likely get flu from him and if he gets the shot then I

feel protected. We're not sure where he is going to be able to get

it this year though. Local sources are limited, but we're going to

try.

Barbara

> RH

>

> Since I had all the specification read to me on Friday, I think

they are as

> followed:

>

> All in a household who has an infant under 6 months.

> Those in the 6 mo. to 3 year range.

> Those who are over 65

> Those who care for someone who is at risk, but can't get it

themselves.

> (protection for that person)

> All with chronic diseases

> All those working in the health care field

> All nursing home residents and staff

> All working with medically fragile individuals.

>

> laurie

>

> > From: " ohgminion "

> > Reply-To:

> > Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 18:37:40 -0000

> > To:

> > Subject: Re: Confused about flu shots

> >

> >

> >> My pediatrician's office wants my kids to get shots and they

have

> >> both the shot and the mist. One doc said...definitely get the

mist

> >> it works better. Another pediatrician in the same office

STRONGLY

> >> suggested to get the shot, not the mist as the shot has dead

virus

> >> in it and the mist has live virus in it....Anyone want to weigh

in

> >> on this mystery? My kids were psyched to not get a

> >> shot....now they're petrified to get the shot.

> >

> > I have another post discussing live and dead virus - upshot is,

it

> > may not matter. Having a biochemistry background, it doesn't

make

> > ANY sense to me to have both the shot and mist, sounds like

someone

> > is getting residuals from pharmaceutical companies. They do act

a

> > bit different, but why make your immune system exposed to two

> > different bugs at the same time?

> >

> > In the U.S., what I've heard is they are not recommending healthy

> > people below the age of 65 to get a flu shot, which would include

> > kids (even infants). Of course the older people I know are not

> > getting the flu shot...

> >

> > Take care,

> > RH

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements

contained herein

> > are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of

this e mail is

> > entirely responsible for its content. List members are reminded

of their

> > responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and

consult with their

> > physicians regarding changes in their own treatment.

> >

> > Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who

sends one is

> > automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of

the attack.

> >

> >

> >

> >