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Good Morning Ladies,

Debra, I agree with everything you say..

I read a very interesting research article yesterday which I will

try to refind..in one of the UK journals..they are already starting

to sub-divide Mito...

As you know over here they have a 3 year project.the mitochondria in

health and disease that will encompass a lot more diseases than we

all immediatly think of.-

The Autoimmune aspect is rapidly surfacing...I voiced my personal

opinion to a specialist advisor that I wouldn't be surprised if 10

years down the line some mito's will be found to be autoimmune based

like they think possibly MS is now...As she replied..what was

thought to be 'fact' about mito. even 5 years ago has already been

shown to be wrong..the inheritance patterns and everything else..and

the mitochondrias involvement in other diseases is causing a lot of

excitement.Who knows what the future holds.

You Debra were originally diagnosed as Lupus, one person on

braintalk was diagnosed as mito. but it then was proven beyond all

doubt they had Lyme.. from these boards I have learnt it is possible

to have other illness as well or as part of the Mito. diagnosis and

it is only by ensuring we get optimal treatment for these things

that we can help our bodies.

In my own case I sit here typing in my wheelchair..BUT when my GP

gave me HRT I felt better..when I was using the Progesterone I

suddenly felt NORMAL and was able to walk around..this set

my 'enquiring' GP on a hunt which is where he and I did the matrix

scorecard together he found, which has led to an appt next week for

adrenal function...I consider myself so lucky with him..It was his

idea after listening to me, the patient, to give me hydrocortisone

to try when I felt ill particularly in the mornings..abdominal

pains ,nauseaous, tired, rapid pulse etc...I tried 1 tablet one

morning..it worked... :-) I hope my next round of tests will guide

him and my consultant on the best way forward.

It is this building of trust between Doctor and patient that is so

important..I trust him and I think he trusts me..Everytime he gave

me yet another BP med I was violently ill...the list of what not to

give me is horrendous for BP..basically DON'T...but he believed me

when I told him how my body, felt, reacted...He then 'chatted' with

one of the retired GP's with all those years of experience and

knowledge gained..my youngster was immediatly directed

thyroid/adrenals...I love that sort of partnership but fear it

happens all too rarely.

How many youngsters who do enquire get laughed at by the elders..but

how much knowledge could these elders impart? These medics guard so

jealously their positions at times.Suppose it's like our sons and

husbands, young bull old bull.

As for being a 'lost cause' I became that years ago..still am

as the poor things can't give me one of their definite labels just

Mito. Cyto. This is where I found the neuro aspect left me 'cold' I

am not interested in a genetic molecular diagnosis but in maintaning

optimal wellness.Lets treat what is being shown to be wrong !!! When

they listen are live quality can be improved.

Gillian

-- In , " Debra Beckmann "

wrote:

> I think through this two ways...the younger newer doctors have an

energy that older, tried, and true doctors have lost, but the newer

doctors lack the experience the older doctors cherish. YES, MOST

DEFINITELY, mito is surfacing as never before and SOON is going to

actually be taught in med school because it is the basis for many,

many, problems. It has stayed in the background because few

hospitals/labs and no doctor's offices have the equipment to test

for weird or unusual symptoms. When one patient comes in and every

system has something wrong the poor doctor has no idea where to

start looking. I think of myself as healthy until I fill out a

health survey...then I am tempted to just write " lost cause " across

the whole thing.

>

> There are physicians in all fields that are interested in research

and will spend PRIVATE time looking for an answer. It is a precious

relationship when a doctor recognizes his/her patient as a human and

not a client! Once this relationship is built then the physician

can rely on the patient's ability(mito patients know their bodies

well and accurately) to assist in treatment. I had one very young

doctor ask if I was certain I had Lupus as it has been used as a

catch-all the past few years...no joke, it is looking like I was one

of those mis-diagnosed and I got Lupus pulled out of the hat.

>

> Debra

>

>

>

>

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Good Morning Ladies,

Debra, I agree with everything you say..

I read a very interesting research article yesterday which I will

try to refind..in one of the UK journals..they are already starting

to sub-divide Mito...

As you know over here they have a 3 year project.the mitochondria in

health and disease that will encompass a lot more diseases than we

all immediatly think of.-

The Autoimmune aspect is rapidly surfacing...I voiced my personal

opinion to a specialist advisor that I wouldn't be surprised if 10

years down the line some mito's will be found to be autoimmune based

like they think possibly MS is now...As she replied..what was

thought to be 'fact' about mito. even 5 years ago has already been

shown to be wrong..the inheritance patterns and everything else..and

the mitochondrias involvement in other diseases is causing a lot of

excitement.Who knows what the future holds.

You Debra were originally diagnosed as Lupus, one person on

braintalk was diagnosed as mito. but it then was proven beyond all

doubt they had Lyme.. from these boards I have learnt it is possible

to have other illness as well or as part of the Mito. diagnosis and

it is only by ensuring we get optimal treatment for these things

that we can help our bodies.

In my own case I sit here typing in my wheelchair..BUT when my GP

gave me HRT I felt better..when I was using the Progesterone I

suddenly felt NORMAL and was able to walk around..this set

my 'enquiring' GP on a hunt which is where he and I did the matrix

scorecard together he found, which has led to an appt next week for

adrenal function...I consider myself so lucky with him..It was his

idea after listening to me, the patient, to give me hydrocortisone

to try when I felt ill particularly in the mornings..abdominal

pains ,nauseaous, tired, rapid pulse etc...I tried 1 tablet one

morning..it worked... :-) I hope my next round of tests will guide

him and my consultant on the best way forward.

It is this building of trust between Doctor and patient that is so

important..I trust him and I think he trusts me..Everytime he gave

me yet another BP med I was violently ill...the list of what not to

give me is horrendous for BP..basically DON'T...but he believed me

when I told him how my body, felt, reacted...He then 'chatted' with

one of the retired GP's with all those years of experience and

knowledge gained..my youngster was immediatly directed

thyroid/adrenals...I love that sort of partnership but fear it

happens all too rarely.

How many youngsters who do enquire get laughed at by the elders..but

how much knowledge could these elders impart? These medics guard so

jealously their positions at times.Suppose it's like our sons and

husbands, young bull old bull.

As for being a 'lost cause' I became that years ago..still am

as the poor things can't give me one of their definite labels just

Mito. Cyto. This is where I found the neuro aspect left me 'cold' I

am not interested in a genetic molecular diagnosis but in maintaning

optimal wellness.Lets treat what is being shown to be wrong !!! When

they listen are live quality can be improved.

Gillian

-- In , " Debra Beckmann "

wrote:

> I think through this two ways...the younger newer doctors have an

energy that older, tried, and true doctors have lost, but the newer

doctors lack the experience the older doctors cherish. YES, MOST

DEFINITELY, mito is surfacing as never before and SOON is going to

actually be taught in med school because it is the basis for many,

many, problems. It has stayed in the background because few

hospitals/labs and no doctor's offices have the equipment to test

for weird or unusual symptoms. When one patient comes in and every

system has something wrong the poor doctor has no idea where to

start looking. I think of myself as healthy until I fill out a

health survey...then I am tempted to just write " lost cause " across

the whole thing.

>

> There are physicians in all fields that are interested in research

and will spend PRIVATE time looking for an answer. It is a precious

relationship when a doctor recognizes his/her patient as a human and

not a client! Once this relationship is built then the physician

can rely on the patient's ability(mito patients know their bodies

well and accurately) to assist in treatment. I had one very young

doctor ask if I was certain I had Lupus as it has been used as a

catch-all the past few years...no joke, it is looking like I was one

of those mis-diagnosed and I got Lupus pulled out of the hat.

>

> Debra

>

>

>

>

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Hi Gillian,

I really admire the way you have tracked all these clues from your

test results and solved (or are solving) some of your metabolic

mysteries. This kind of bulldog tenacity is absolutely necessary for

mito patients, IMO. And I think all of us are constantly searching

for ways to reduce the 'drag effect' the disease has on life in

general and really live each day in the fullest way possible. You

are probably in good company on the molecular genetic analysis, as I

don't think that aspect of scientific understanding is as high a

priority for most patients as it is for me. Partly, I picked this up

from contacts with researchers, but it also has to do with the

peculiar mito genetics in our family. For us, identifiying the

underlying mutation of the global mito defect could make a major

difference in treatment and outcome, and would also confirm exactly

which family members have which defects (there are at least two),

which in turn would have a positive impact on the care they receive

in the system. But mostly I am a very curious person and I don't

like unknowns, metabolic or otherwise. I have learned to live with

unknowns, but they stick in my brain like a burr. This is mostly

good though, because it has made it possible for us to follow clues

Gillian-style and solve at least a few mysteries. Many more to go

though.

Take care,

Barbara

> > I think through this two ways...the younger newer doctors have

an

> energy that older, tried, and true doctors have lost, but the

newer

> doctors lack the experience the older doctors cherish. YES, MOST

> DEFINITELY, mito is surfacing as never before and SOON is going to

> actually be taught in med school because it is the basis for many,

> many, problems. It has stayed in the background because few

> hospitals/labs and no doctor's offices have the equipment to test

> for weird or unusual symptoms. When one patient comes in and

every

> system has something wrong the poor doctor has no idea where to

> start looking. I think of myself as healthy until I fill out a

> health survey...then I am tempted to just write " lost cause "

across

> the whole thing.

> >

> > There are physicians in all fields that are interested in

research

> and will spend PRIVATE time looking for an answer. It is a

precious

> relationship when a doctor recognizes his/her patient as a human

and

> not a client! Once this relationship is built then the physician

> can rely on the patient's ability(mito patients know their bodies

> well and accurately) to assist in treatment. I had one very young

> doctor ask if I was certain I had Lupus as it has been used as a

> catch-all the past few years...no joke, it is looking like I was

one

> of those mis-diagnosed and I got Lupus pulled out of the hat.

> >

> > Debra

> >

> >

> >

> >

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