Re: Can DBB Shoes be improved with velcro

[Guest guest]

Hi, I think it would work with velcro, however, for me to get the

shoes on tight the laces work better for us, and our son is the

master of buckles and double knots now at age 3, I couldn't imagine

keeping them on him with velcro. Before we started the Ponseti

method at age 2, he wore AFO's & KAFO's that had velcro and he

mastered undoing the velcro before he walked, etc...they even tried

to trick him and sewed and extra piece on his to confuse him , but

that didn't work either. It probably depends on the child and their

tolerance to the shoes.

Michele

Collin's story at http://www.geocities.com/chele323232

[Guest guest]

Hi, I think it would work with velcro, however, for me to get the

shoes on tight the laces work better for us, and our son is the

master of buckles and double knots now at age 3, I couldn't imagine

keeping them on him with velcro. Before we started the Ponseti

method at age 2, he wore AFO's & KAFO's that had velcro and he

mastered undoing the velcro before he walked, etc...they even tried

to trick him and sewed and extra piece on his to confuse him , but

that didn't work either. It probably depends on the child and their

tolerance to the shoes.

Michele

Collin's story at http://www.geocities.com/chele323232

[Guest guest]

I think the velco would make it easier for the child to take the shoe off. I'm

sure my baby isn't the only genius who can untie shoe laces. Given time he will

probably be undoing the buckle.

I was first scared that I would not be able to put the shoes on when we got

home. did not like it at first but before we knew it he was accepting and

if I had to I could put his DBB on with my eyes closed. At the beginning I would

put his shoes on while my husband was giving him his bottle, this way he was

relaxed and would not struggle.

I hope this helps.

aleitson1 aleitson1@...> wrote:

My daughter is about five months old. She was born with a turned

in right foot. Her left foot was set normally. She has had the four

casts and the surgery to lengthen the tendon. We have had a very

difficult working with the shoes and putting them on so she doesn't

kick them off. The shoes appear to be designed in 1960. Given how ski

boots and roller blades are made, wouldn't it be better to get rid of

the shoe laces completely and use velcro??? If the tongue could be

opened and the foot could be set in the shoe and the shoe closed with

velcro with would seem to not only make it easier on the parents but

less tramatic for the child. And if the shoe does come off, it's

simple to put back on. I can't be the first person to think of this??

Thanks for any feedback.

[Guest guest]

I think it could be a good idea when the baby is very young (1st several

months), but after that they soon will be able to undo the velcro and get

out of the shoes on a consistant basis.

Just my 2 cents.

Shook

Retail Operations Manager/Baking Instructor

Vie de France Yamazaki, Inc.

2070 Chain Bridge Rd. Suite 500

Vienna, VA 22182

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[Guest guest]

I think it could be a good idea when the baby is very young (1st several

months), but after that they soon will be able to undo the velcro and get

out of the shoes on a consistant basis.

Just my 2 cents.

Shook

Retail Operations Manager/Baking Instructor

Vie de France Yamazaki, Inc.

2070 Chain Bridge Rd. Suite 500

Vienna, VA 22182

x374

x374

fax

[Guest guest]

My only experience with the A FO was my first son and he never took them off, up

to age (nearly) 2 it was never an issue of him pulling them off so I when we

went to the DBB system and then shoes I kept thinking why not

velcro???????? Then I realized mine was a rare case - most babies would take

them off. I know there's no way I bet Id keep little Everet in a vecro DBB now

days.

s.

Re: Can DBB Shoes be improved with velcro

Hi, I think it would work with velcro, however, for me to get the

shoes on tight the laces work better for us, and our son is the

master of buckles and double knots now at age 3, I couldn't imagine

keeping them on him with velcro. Before we started the Ponseti

method at age 2, he wore AFO's & KAFO's that had velcro and he

mastered undoing the velcro before he walked, etc...they even tried

to trick him and sewed and extra piece on his to confuse him , but

that didn't work either. It probably depends on the child and their

tolerance to the shoes.

Michele

Collin's story at http://www.geocities.com/chele323232

[Guest guest]

My only experience with the A FO was my first son and he never took them off, up

to age (nearly) 2 it was never an issue of him pulling them off so I when we

went to the DBB system and then shoes I kept thinking why not

velcro???????? Then I realized mine was a rare case - most babies would take

them off. I know there's no way I bet Id keep little Everet in a vecro DBB now

days.

s.

Re: Can DBB Shoes be improved with velcro

Hi, I think it would work with velcro, however, for me to get the

shoes on tight the laces work better for us, and our son is the

master of buckles and double knots now at age 3, I couldn't imagine

keeping them on him with velcro. Before we started the Ponseti

method at age 2, he wore AFO's & KAFO's that had velcro and he

mastered undoing the velcro before he walked, etc...they even tried

to trick him and sewed and extra piece on his to confuse him , but

that didn't work either. It probably depends on the child and their

tolerance to the shoes.

Michele

Collin's story at http://www.geocities.com/chele323232

[Guest guest]

Kelsey figured out how to take that velcro off when she was only about 9

months old. The only way I could keep her AFo on her was under a shoe

and even then that did not always work. She figured out that if she

tugged on the show just right, it would come off complete with the AFO.

Jenni

Number23 wrote:

>My only experience with the A FO was my first son and he never took them off,

up to age (nearly) 2 it was never an issue of him pulling them off so I when we

went to the DBB system and then shoes I kept thinking why not

velcro???????? Then I realized mine was a rare case - most babies would take

them off. I know there's no way I bet Id keep little Everet in a vecro DBB now

days.

>s.

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>Hi, I think it would work with velcro, however, for me to get the

>shoes on tight the laces work better for us, and our son is the

>master of buckles and double knots now at age 3, I couldn't imagine

>keeping them on him with velcro. Before we started the Ponseti

>method at age 2, he wore AFO's & KAFO's that had velcro and he

>mastered undoing the velcro before he walked, etc...they even tried

>to trick him and sewed and extra piece on his to confuse him , but

>that didn't work either. It probably depends on the child and their

>tolerance to the shoes.

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>Michele

>Collin's story at http://www.geocities.com/chele323232

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[Guest guest]

This has been discussed here before, so you're not the only person who has

thought of it (I think I might have brought it up at one point too). But

over time, you'll come to see that the Markell shoes really do function

well exactly as they're designed. I would't trade the laces in for velcro

if I was paid to do it now. Not only is velcro easy for baby to open up (I

hate velcro shoes for kids all around for this reason alone) but it does

not have the tightening options the buckle and laces do. The laces just

work well, you can tighten the bottom more than the top or middle, whatever

you want.

I am concerned that is coming out of the shoes. This really shouldn't

be happeneing. Things to consider as factors in this would be a foot

(feet?) that aren't fully corrected or the shoes aren't tight enough in the

first place. They should be VERY tight on her feet. I know it seems

wrong, but you've got to tighten them up so that they do not come

off. Tighten the buckle first and then try to pull them off her heel. If

you can move the foot out of the boot at all you need to re-examine the

buckle or perhaps make the laces very tight to compensate.

Additionally, the shoes aren't that difficult to put back on but in the

past parents have had to deal with laces that come out and they ARE a

hassle. Have you seen the tip to tie a knot in the middle of the lace and

then lace the shoe up (this helps you center the laces equally). And then

tie a knot in the end of each lace so you can pull the shoes very loose to

put the foot in but the laces never come out of the holes. Also, with the

straps being so darn short now (grrrrr.... yes Jay... I'm STILL grumbling

about that and probably won't stop till something changes) you may want to

punch an extra hole in the very tip of the strap so that you can

temporarily buckle it in as you put the shoes on or those straps just pull

right out of the slot in the side.

Did you get a chance to read the DBB tips post that was sent a few days

back? There might be some additional information in there that will help

you solve the problem with her slipping out of the shoes. It's important

for her to not slip at all, as if her heel is rising up in the shoe while

she's wearing them and they haven't fallen off yet then her foot is being

braced pointing down a bit... and that's not good at all. It could cause

relapse and I have seen the effects of shoes that are too loose and this

happening on my own daughter. It only took about 2w for her foot to start

pointing down when she had them off and I had to go back to making them

very tight. So I've had my relapse scare... don't want you to have to

deal with that.

Hope this or something helps... and yes, I've seen a shoe that was closed

with velcro... somewhere in one of the pictures sections or something...

but I think the shoe still had a set of laces if I'm not mistaken.

Kori

At 07:31 PM 12/2/2004, you wrote:

>My daughter is about five months old. She was born with a turned

>in right foot. Her left foot was set normally. She has had the four

>casts and the surgery to lengthen the tendon. We have had a very

>difficult working with the shoes and putting them on so she doesn't

>kick them off. The shoes appear to be designed in 1960. Given how ski

>boots and roller blades are made, wouldn't it be better to get rid of

>the shoe laces completely and use velcro??? If the tongue could be

>opened and the foot could be set in the shoe and the shoe closed with

>velcro with would seem to not only make it easier on the parents but

>less tramatic for the child. And if the shoe does come off, it's

>simple to put back on. I can't be the first person to think of this??

>

>Thanks for any feedback.

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[Guest guest]

Kori,

About those short straps....

I had emailed Jay a while back when Livie's strap broke and asked him about it

breaking, etc. I also asked him why they were so freaking short all of a

sudden. He replied that they had had other complaints and were fixing the

problem.

We just got Livie's new shoes at the symposium and no more short straps!!

Yippee!!

I am pleased as punch with these new shoes! The strap even seems to be a bit

sturdier, but I guess time will tell on that one.

Just wanted to let you know that Jay IS listening!

Jen & Livie

Re: Can DBB Shoes be improved with velcro

This has been discussed here before, so you're not the only person who has

thought of it (I think I might have brought it up at one point too). But

over time, you'll come to see that the Markell shoes really do function

well exactly as they're designed. I would't trade the laces in for velcro

if I was paid to do it now. Not only is velcro easy for baby to open up (I

hate velcro shoes for kids all around for this reason alone) but it does

not have the tightening options the buckle and laces do. The laces just

work well, you can tighten the bottom more than the top or middle, whatever

you want.

I am concerned that is coming out of the shoes. This really shouldn't

be happeneing. Things to consider as factors in this would be a foot

(feet?) that aren't fully corrected or the shoes aren't tight enough in the

first place. They should be VERY tight on her feet. I know it seems

wrong, but you've got to tighten them up so that they do not come

off. Tighten the buckle first and then try to pull them off her heel. If

you can move the foot out of the boot at all you need to re-examine the

buckle or perhaps make the laces very tight to compensate.

Additionally, the shoes aren't that difficult to put back on but in the

past parents have had to deal with laces that come out and they ARE a

hassle. Have you seen the tip to tie a knot in the middle of the lace and

then lace the shoe up (this helps you center the laces equally). And then

tie a knot in the end of each lace so you can pull the shoes very loose to

put the foot in but the laces never come out of the holes. Also, with the

straps being so darn short now (grrrrr.... yes Jay... I'm STILL grumbling

about that and probably won't stop till something changes) you may want to

punch an extra hole in the very tip of the strap so that you can

temporarily buckle it in as you put the shoes on or those straps just pull

right out of the slot in the side.

Did you get a chance to read the DBB tips post that was sent a few days

back? There might be some additional information in there that will help

you solve the problem with her slipping out of the shoes. It's important

for her to not slip at all, as if her heel is rising up in the shoe while

she's wearing them and they haven't fallen off yet then her foot is being

braced pointing down a bit... and that's not good at all. It could cause

relapse and I have seen the effects of shoes that are too loose and this

happening on my own daughter. It only took about 2w for her foot to start

pointing down when she had them off and I had to go back to making them

very tight. So I've had my relapse scare... don't want you to have to

deal with that.

Hope this or something helps... and yes, I've seen a shoe that was closed

with velcro... somewhere in one of the pictures sections or something...

but I think the shoe still had a set of laces if I'm not mistaken.

Kori

At 07:31 PM 12/2/2004, you wrote:

>My daughter is about five months old. She was born with a turned

>in right foot. Her left foot was set normally. She has had the four

>casts and the surgery to lengthen the tendon. We have had a very

>difficult working with the shoes and putting them on so she doesn't

>kick them off. The shoes appear to be designed in 1960. Given how ski

>boots and roller blades are made, wouldn't it be better to get rid of

>the shoe laces completely and use velcro??? If the tongue could be

>opened and the foot could be set in the shoe and the shoe closed with

>velcro with would seem to not only make it easier on the parents but

>less tramatic for the child. And if the shoe does come off, it's

>simple to put back on. I can't be the first person to think of this??

>

>Thanks for any feedback.

>

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[Guest guest]

I remember this has been talked about before and Jay Markell (from

the Markell company) said that velcro would not work. He said the

shoes would not last with the velcro. Once you get used to the shoes

(which can take quite a while) you'll have them on in a snap!

Pam and (8-12-01)

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> My daughter is about five months old. She was born with a

turned

> in right foot. Her left foot was set normally. She has had the four

> casts and the surgery to lengthen the tendon. We have had a very

> difficult working with the shoes and putting them on so she doesn't

> kick them off. The shoes appear to be designed in 1960. Given how

ski

> boots and roller blades are made, wouldn't it be better to get rid

of

> the shoe laces completely and use velcro??? If the tongue could be

> opened and the foot could be set in the shoe and the shoe closed

with

> velcro with would seem to not only make it easier on the parents

but

> less tramatic for the child. And if the shoe does come off, it's

> simple to put back on. I can't be the first person to think of

this??

>

> Thanks for any feedback.