Re: OT - Did anyone see this in the news?

[Guest guest]

Following this line of reasoning.....What about a mom who has lost her mucus

plug and her bag of waters has broke and feels it is critical to preserve the

life of her unborn baby that she get a c-section immediately, but the OB says

that it just isn't necessary at this point and she should wait it out. Then,

because the doc choose to wait against the mom's wishes, the baby is finally

born, but has died. Should the doc be charged with murder or just malpractice?

Axelrod

Re: OT - Did anyone see this in the news?

In a message dated 3/12/2004 2:10:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,

drasley@... writes:

Granted the law doesn't allow you the

right to necessarily refuse medical treatment for your children but a

c-section is a medical treatment for the adult woman.

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I totally understand your line of reasoning here if that treatment were only

for her. A C-section for a woman with VIABLE children is NOT only treatment

for her. I am not arguing the point of abortion, which is a woman's right to

do whatever she chooses for her body while the child is not viable (Which I do

not personally believe in because the child WOULD be viable if you chose NOT

to kill it.....but if it's legally your right it's your right)...but once the

child reaches viability it no longer is just HER body, it is a body that

belongs to both her and another, or in her case, two other human beings.

I do agree that it is perfectly okay to choose what treatment you feel is

appropriate for you and/or your children at any point provided they are

rational

decisions. The decision to flat out say " I would rather my child die " makes

it criminal to me. Most parents make decisions based on the well-being of

their children, the decision to allow your child to die rather than undergo

surgery to me has nothing to do with the well-being of your child and

therefore not

a " medical decision " .

Just my 0.02.

Mandi in Concord, NC

[Guest guest]

This was on Oprah and if I remember correctly, the hospital was found

liable, but I'm not sure the individual doctor was charged. The

sickening issue with this is that the woman's original OB was on

vacation and when his substitute call him for direction, the original

OB basically told him to do nothing until he returned. He wanted the

claim to fame in being able to state that he had vaginally delivered

the first twins in that hospital to a woman over 40.

Toi

> My point exactly, it wouldn't be fair to charge the mom refusing

the c-section with murder unless you are willing to charge the doc

who refuses to do the c-section with murder. But thats just my

opinion. I remember watching one of the talk shows where this

happened to a mom of twin boys. She and her husband begged the OB on

the floor to do the c-section, it was even in her chart from her

primary OB, but the dumb doc wanted to wait. One of the boys ended

up with severe cerebral palsy and mentally impaired because of damage

done by waiting, luckily the other boy was ok. Nothing major ended

up happening to this doc and he is still practicing today.

> Axelrod

[Guest guest]

I, for one, am happy to see an unborn child being considered " worthy "

of defense. I had a church acquaintence in Utah who's pregnant

girlfriend (the child was his) wanted to get an abortion and he took

her to court and successfully garnered custody of the fetus. Today,

London is a happy and healthy 15 year old.

Toi

> I'm willing to go to the mat for decisions that I feel are right

for me and

> my children......but I make them only after I'm sure that there's

not a chance

> I'm putting them in harms way.

>

> Freedom of personal choice does not extend beyond ourselves. Once

it impacts

> someone else then we don't necessarily have those freedoms.

>

> By the way, I'm not for Big Brother or Big Government. But if it's

a blatent

> act of negligence, I have to say throw the book at the woman.

>

> Mandi in Concord, NC

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My point exactly, it wouldn't be fair to charge the mom refusing the c-section

with murder unless you are willing to charge the doc who refuses to do the

c-section with murder. But thats just my opinion. I remember watching one of

the talk shows where this happened to a mom of twin boys. She and her husband

begged the OB on the floor to do the c-section, it was even in her chart from

her primary OB, but the dumb doc wanted to wait. One of the boys ended up with

severe cerebral palsy and mentally impaired because of damage done by waiting,

luckily the other boy was ok. Nothing major ended up happening to this doc and

he is still practicing today.

Axelrod

Re: Re: OT - Did anyone see this in the news?

> Following this line of reasoning.....What about a mom who has lost her

mucus plug and her bag of waters has broke and feels it is critical to

preserve the life of her unborn baby that she get a c-section immediately,

but the OB says that it just isn't necessary at this point and she should

wait it out. Then, because the doc choose to wait against the mom's wishes,

the baby is finally born, but has died. Should the doc be charged with

murder or just malpractice?

> Axelrod

[Guest guest]

My point exactly, it wouldn't be fair to charge the mom refusing the c-section

with murder unless you are willing to charge the doc who refuses to do the

c-section with murder. But thats just my opinion. I remember watching one of

the talk shows where this happened to a mom of twin boys. She and her husband

begged the OB on the floor to do the c-section, it was even in her chart from

her primary OB, but the dumb doc wanted to wait. One of the boys ended up with

severe cerebral palsy and mentally impaired because of damage done by waiting,

luckily the other boy was ok. Nothing major ended up happening to this doc and

he is still practicing today.

Axelrod

Re: Re: OT - Did anyone see this in the news?

> Following this line of reasoning.....What about a mom who has lost her

mucus plug and her bag of waters has broke and feels it is critical to

preserve the life of her unborn baby that she get a c-section immediately,

but the OB says that it just isn't necessary at this point and she should

wait it out. Then, because the doc choose to wait against the mom's wishes,

the baby is finally born, but has died. Should the doc be charged with

murder or just malpractice?

> Axelrod

[Guest guest]

I just heard an interview with the woman on cnbc...she said she had 2 previous

c-sections and they never told her that her babies were in danger...She sounded

kind of wacko.

Chrystal

Wife to Jace - together 6 Years!

Happy Mommy to - 4 Years Old!

New Baby Swenson Due July 28, 2004!

Zookeeper for 2 big dogs and 5 cats who let me feed them!

Re: Re: OT - Did anyone see this in the news?

I think this woman is sick and I'm personally GLAD she was charged! I think

its disgusting and my BIGGEST pet peeve. Refusing a c/s when you're told

your

child will die! Yes SOME dr's aren't " honest " and " wanna get it over with! "

But to ignore 3 opinions b/c you don't want a SCAR?! @@ idiots the world is

full of idiots!

*~Joy~*

Lap RNY @ 491lbs

2/26/01

Mommy to:

(5) , Saralyn (4), Hunter (7/3/03)

and

#4 due sometime in September '04!

We have 3 kids, soon we'll have FOUR!

After this one,

Quoth Raven...

NEVERMORE!

[Guest guest]

Tiana,

Here! Here! This is the point I'm trying to make. If we are going to make laws

like this you can't pick and choose where and when you are going to apply it,

there needs to be some sort of uniformity. I'm not saying at all that I agree

with what this lady did, I think it was awful. But on the other hand, laws like

this are difficult because you get prosecutors who start to use a law in a way

it was not intended to be used. In the article it says the law was written to

prosecute pregnant women from using illegal drugs and harming their unborn

child. This prosecutor is using this law to apply to this lady and thats not

what the law was intended to do. And if he/she is willing to misapply the law,

what is to stop it from being misused in other cases.

Axelrod

Re: Re: OT - Did anyone see this in the news?

I'd really like to know how they can charge anyone (mom or doc) with murder in

any of these cases but allow abortion to continue. If they call this murder,

then abortion is certianly murder...premeditated. I'm not talking about the

abortion to save a woman's life...but the one where it's mom's 7th pregnancy and

she's only 19...and 7th abortion as well. Who's standing up for all those

babies? I know that this is a very heated topic and has been for a long time.

Just my opinion...

Tiana

NICU RN