Guest guest Posted March 18, 2003 Report Share Posted March 18, 2003 , This would be through the IEP. The 504 is for those who do not qualify for an IEP. As far as the school needing to supply it: If it is a mandatory activity (ie: everyone has to be on a trike) then they should. It sounds like it is just one of many options available on the playground at that time, then if there is an acceptable alternative (ie: Cozy Coupe that he could manage) they probably would not. If it is not too much trouble, you might want to find one at a garage sale, just keep in mind that with 3 year olds, they would all want to use that one too. It probably could not be kept only for your child. I had a teacher once go out and buy a bike that would fit my girls in elementary school since he felt they needed to work on riding, and the school had none to fit them! What a guy! Unfortunately at age 11 1/2 they still can't ride a two wheeler, I may just give up! Eileen Mom to Alyssa and 5/26/91 both RSS, both on GHT > I need help! I am still confused about when my son needs a 504. I > have sat in on numerous lectures, read tons of materials and it just > doesn't sink in. > > Here is my brief story: My three year old RSS son Jake is in special > ed. preschool, and has an IEP in place (due for review in a couple of > weeks). Today I went to observe his PT session, then decided to > watch Jake during bike time. There were about 10 other preschool > kids outside as well. Of course, Jake is the smallest. There were > numerous types of tricycles for the children, as well as those small > cars kids can sit in and move with there feet on the pavement below > them. Well of course Jake couldn't use the tricyles because they > were too big and he couldn't sit comfortably and reach the pedals. > > Here is my question: Is it enough to request a proper sized tricycle > through his IEP or does he also need a 504? His IEP currently states > that he will need accomodations for size such as access to water > fountains, appropriate seating, toilet, etc. > > Also, is it my responsibility to help find an appropriate fix (ie. > finding a small tricycle and if so where do I find one??????????) > > The school is wonderful and we have never had an issue so far and I > am hoping to resolve this without too much trouble. > > Thanks, > Alison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2003 Report Share Posted March 18, 2003 , This would be through the IEP. The 504 is for those who do not qualify for an IEP. As far as the school needing to supply it: If it is a mandatory activity (ie: everyone has to be on a trike) then they should. It sounds like it is just one of many options available on the playground at that time, then if there is an acceptable alternative (ie: Cozy Coupe that he could manage) they probably would not. If it is not too much trouble, you might want to find one at a garage sale, just keep in mind that with 3 year olds, they would all want to use that one too. It probably could not be kept only for your child. I had a teacher once go out and buy a bike that would fit my girls in elementary school since he felt they needed to work on riding, and the school had none to fit them! What a guy! Unfortunately at age 11 1/2 they still can't ride a two wheeler, I may just give up! Eileen Mom to Alyssa and 5/26/91 both RSS, both on GHT > I need help! I am still confused about when my son needs a 504. I > have sat in on numerous lectures, read tons of materials and it just > doesn't sink in. > > Here is my brief story: My three year old RSS son Jake is in special > ed. preschool, and has an IEP in place (due for review in a couple of > weeks). Today I went to observe his PT session, then decided to > watch Jake during bike time. There were about 10 other preschool > kids outside as well. Of course, Jake is the smallest. There were > numerous types of tricycles for the children, as well as those small > cars kids can sit in and move with there feet on the pavement below > them. Well of course Jake couldn't use the tricyles because they > were too big and he couldn't sit comfortably and reach the pedals. > > Here is my question: Is it enough to request a proper sized tricycle > through his IEP or does he also need a 504? His IEP currently states > that he will need accomodations for size such as access to water > fountains, appropriate seating, toilet, etc. > > Also, is it my responsibility to help find an appropriate fix (ie. > finding a small tricycle and if so where do I find one??????????) > > The school is wonderful and we have never had an issue so far and I > am hoping to resolve this without too much trouble. > > Thanks, > Alison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2003 Report Share Posted March 18, 2003 Hi , I hope I can help answer this one. Generally, you would need a 504 to make changes in the school to help your son. Some examples might be a lower water fountain, easy open doors, ramps etc. IEP is an educational plan with goals design to facilitate your sons education. It can include facility modifactions. Generally, everything you would need under a 504 can be covered under and IEP. The reverse is not true. I am not sure about the tricycle. I think that is up to the individual school. Some schools might consider it recreatioanl equipment and not a part of his education and so not cover it. Others might just get a smaller tricycle. It all depends on the attitude of the Sped director and their budget. I hope this helps. Ken M > I need help! I am still confused about when my son needs a 504. I > have sat in on numerous lectures, read tons of materials and it just > doesn't sink in. > > Here is my brief story: My three year old RSS son Jake is in special > ed. preschool, and has an IEP in place (due for review in a couple of > weeks). Today I went to observe his PT session, then decided to > watch Jake during bike time. There were about 10 other preschool > kids outside as well. Of course, Jake is the smallest. There were > numerous types of tricycles for the children, as well as those small > cars kids can sit in and move with there feet on the pavement below > them. Well of course Jake couldn't use the tricyles because they > were too big and he couldn't sit comfortably and reach the pedals. > > Here is my question: Is it enough to request a proper sized tricycle > through his IEP or does he also need a 504? His IEP currently states > that he will need accomodations for size such as access to water > fountains, appropriate seating, toilet, etc. > > Also, is it my responsibility to help find an appropriate fix (ie. > finding a small tricycle and if so where do I find one??????????) > > The school is wonderful and we have never had an issue so far and I > am hoping to resolve this without too much trouble. > > Thanks, > Alison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2003 Report Share Posted March 18, 2003 Hi , I hope I can help answer this one. Generally, you would need a 504 to make changes in the school to help your son. Some examples might be a lower water fountain, easy open doors, ramps etc. IEP is an educational plan with goals design to facilitate your sons education. It can include facility modifactions. Generally, everything you would need under a 504 can be covered under and IEP. The reverse is not true. I am not sure about the tricycle. I think that is up to the individual school. Some schools might consider it recreatioanl equipment and not a part of his education and so not cover it. Others might just get a smaller tricycle. It all depends on the attitude of the Sped director and their budget. I hope this helps. Ken M > I need help! I am still confused about when my son needs a 504. I > have sat in on numerous lectures, read tons of materials and it just > doesn't sink in. > > Here is my brief story: My three year old RSS son Jake is in special > ed. preschool, and has an IEP in place (due for review in a couple of > weeks). Today I went to observe his PT session, then decided to > watch Jake during bike time. There were about 10 other preschool > kids outside as well. Of course, Jake is the smallest. There were > numerous types of tricycles for the children, as well as those small > cars kids can sit in and move with there feet on the pavement below > them. Well of course Jake couldn't use the tricyles because they > were too big and he couldn't sit comfortably and reach the pedals. > > Here is my question: Is it enough to request a proper sized tricycle > through his IEP or does he also need a 504? His IEP currently states > that he will need accomodations for size such as access to water > fountains, appropriate seating, toilet, etc. > > Also, is it my responsibility to help find an appropriate fix (ie. > finding a small tricycle and if so where do I find one??????????) > > The school is wonderful and we have never had an issue so far and I > am hoping to resolve this without too much trouble. > > Thanks, > Alison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2003 Report Share Posted March 19, 2003 Hi Alison, I couldn't begin to tell you about an IEP v 504, but on the subject of small bikes... I was our intention to get tricycles for Becca and for their 3rd birthday (if we could find one small enough for ). Well, we went to Toys-r-Us and instead of tricycles, wound up with bicycles. Schwinn makes a teeny tiny bike (with training wheels of course) that fit on beautifully. Good luck, Judith, Steve, (RSS) and (non RSS) 3 year old twins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2003 Report Share Posted March 19, 2003 Alison, I do think an appropriately fitted tricycle is an important thing for Jake. It's a gross motor skill that preschoolers should have....thus lots of tricycles in preschool! I am surprised that the PT there at your special ed school doesn't handle this automatically. They did for at ours. For , they just added blocks with straps onto the pedals. It was a simple adjustment that worked. And you can copy the idea on your own tricycle at home. I remember it was hard to find a super small tricycle. We found ours at Toys R Us and it was one of those that also has the stick in the back so we could push it. Irene Mom to , now 6! > I need help! I am still confused about when my son needs a 504. I > have sat in on numerous lectures, read tons of materials and it just > doesn't sink in. > > Here is my brief story: My three year old RSS son Jake is in special > ed. preschool, and has an IEP in place (due for review in a couple of > weeks). Today I went to observe his PT session, then decided to > watch Jake during bike time. There were about 10 other preschool > kids outside as well. Of course, Jake is the smallest. There were > numerous types of tricycles for the children, as well as those small > cars kids can sit in and move with there feet on the pavement below > them. Well of course Jake couldn't use the tricyles because they > were too big and he couldn't sit comfortably and reach the pedals. > > Here is my question: Is it enough to request a proper sized tricycle > through his IEP or does he also need a 504? His IEP currently states > that he will need accomodations for size such as access to water > fountains, appropriate seating, toilet, etc. > > Also, is it my responsibility to help find an appropriate fix (ie. > finding a small tricycle and if so where do I find one??????????) > > The school is wonderful and we have never had an issue so far and I > am hoping to resolve this without too much trouble. > > Thanks, > Alison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2003 Report Share Posted March 19, 2003 Thanks for the tip about toy-r-us. How does do on the teeny tiny bike? Can he pedal it (ie. have enough strength). I spoke with Jake's teacher today and she said they have other, smaller bikes and will let Jake try it. So I will follow-up with it and see how he does. I also asked her about a 504 vs. and IEP and basically said a 504 is bascially for kids who don't need services like speech, pt, ot but still need accomodations like a lowered water fountain, ramps, etc. An IEP is used for kids who need special services (ie. pt, ot, speech) and modifications can be added on top of that. Alison > Hi Alison, > > I couldn't begin to tell you about an IEP v 504, but on the subject > of small bikes... > > I was our intention to get tricycles for Becca and for their > 3rd birthday (if we could find one small enough for ). Well, we > went to Toys-r-Us and instead of tricycles, wound up with bicycles. > Schwinn makes a teeny tiny bike (with training wheels of course) that > fit on beautifully. > > Good luck, > > Judith, Steve, (RSS) and (non RSS) 3 year old twins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2003 Report Share Posted March 19, 2003 --- , has one of those tiny bikes, he got it when he was 2 cause we could not find a trike for him. He has no problems and rides it great!! I recommend it (I got mine at kmart for 30 some dollars) Madonna In RSS-Support , " alisontonyhoward " wrote: > Thanks for the tip about toy-r-us. How does do on the teeny > tiny bike? Can he pedal it (ie. have enough strength). > > I spoke with Jake's teacher today and she said they have other, > smaller bikes and will let Jake try it. So I will follow-up with it > and see how he does. > > I also asked her about a 504 vs. and IEP and basically said a 504 is > bascially for kids who don't need services like speech, pt, ot but > still need accomodations like a lowered water fountain, ramps, > etc. An IEP is used for kids who need special services (ie. pt, > ot, speech) and modifications can be added on top of that. > > Alison > > > > Hi Alison, > > > > I couldn't begin to tell you about an IEP v 504, but on the subject > > of small bikes... > > > > I was our intention to get tricycles for Becca and for their > > 3rd birthday (if we could find one small enough for ). Well, > we > > went to Toys-r-Us and instead of tricycles, wound up with > bicycles. > > Schwinn makes a teeny tiny bike (with training wheels of course) > that > > fit on beautifully. > > > > Good luck, > > > > Judith, Steve, (RSS) and (non RSS) 3 year old twins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2003 Report Share Posted March 19, 2003 Alison, I believe overall, an IEP is better and more easily inforcable than a 504. If you have an IEP in place, I would just ask for a trike or some other type of " vehicle " that fits him, he is being left out of this part of school that the other children are getting. That should be enough of a reason and if they have been good, they should really not have a problem with it. Good luck! Carmen PS from what I understand here in Texas, any RSS child can qualify for an IEP under " Other Health Impaired " I would assume it is similar in other states as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2003 Report Share Posted March 20, 2003 Hi Alison, They are working on building strenght in 's legs at school. As for pedaling, he got the bike for his birthday 2/4 and we haven't been able to go out and use it yet. Hopefully by the time we are ready to go outside to play, his school will have taught him how. Good luck Judith, Steve, (RSS) and (non RSS) 3 year old twins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2003 Report Share Posted March 20, 2003 Alison - You may have gotten these answers already, I haven't read down far enough in email. It is EITHER an IEP or a 504, not both at the same time. In a nutshell, using the easiest lingo. An IEP (individualized education plan) is used when a child is receiving SERVICES of some kind from the school district. For example, it could be a single service such as speech, or multiple services like OT, PT, etc. WITHIN the IEP, you would then add in the other issues, such as physical accomodation items like desks and tricycles. And feeding issues like frequent snacks, etc. But the key qualifier for the IEP is that the child is receiving " services " of some kind. A child would use just a 504 when NO services are needed but the child still has other issues. For example, a diabetic child would need a plan in place. An RSS child might need physical accomodations made, frequent snacks, etc. EVERY RSS child qualifies for a 504 at the MINIMUM just based on the simple diagnosis of RSS (qualifies under " Other Health Impaired. " ) I believe that every RSS child should be having " access to food frequently " . Sometimes kids like my daughter start off with an IEP (she is receiving speech, plus we have other things written in) and then when she " graduates " from speech, we will move down to just a 504. I hope this sheds some light. am sure Yvette Getch would be happy to trade emails with you on the subject. Remember, she is the professor and RSS mom that specializes in this area. > I need help! I am still confused about when my son needs a 504. I > have sat in on numerous lectures, read tons of materials and it just > doesn't sink in. > > Here is my brief story: My three year old RSS son Jake is in special > ed. preschool, and has an IEP in place (due for review in a couple of > weeks). Today I went to observe his PT session, then decided to > watch Jake during bike time. There were about 10 other preschool > kids outside as well. Of course, Jake is the smallest. There were > numerous types of tricycles for the children, as well as those small > cars kids can sit in and move with there feet on the pavement below > them. Well of course Jake couldn't use the tricyles because they > were too big and he couldn't sit comfortably and reach the pedals. > > Here is my question: Is it enough to request a proper sized tricycle > through his IEP or does he also need a 504? His IEP currently states > that he will need accomodations for size such as access to water > fountains, appropriate seating, toilet, etc. > > Also, is it my responsibility to help find an appropriate fix (ie. > finding a small tricycle and if so where do I find one??????????) > > The school is wonderful and we have never had an issue so far and I > am hoping to resolve this without too much trouble. > > Thanks, > Alison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2003 Report Share Posted March 20, 2003 Just to clarify, (at least in NY) you cannot receive an IEP if you JUST need OT or PT. That would be under a 504. An IEP is only given for educational reasons (ie: speech, special ed services) and then you can add OT, PT, Adaptive PE, any physical modifications to the environment or their school day (ie: extended test time, frequent breaks, frequent snacks, special equipment, extra travel time between classes in middle/high school etc.) The 504 is for anything that needs to be adjusted for the child who does not have an educational need at this time. That is why one of my kids has a 504, one an IEP (one gets speech, one doesn't). Also, in my district to receive educational services (ie: resource room), the child must test at least 2 grade levels below overall, not just in the subject in question. For example, my girls are that far behind in math, but at or above grade level in reading, literature and social studies so therefore don't qualify for resource room for math. Eileen Mom to Alyssa and 5/26/91 both RSS, both on GHT > > In a nutshell, using the easiest lingo. An IEP (individualized > education plan) is used when a child is receiving SERVICES of some > kind from the school district. For example, it could be a single > service such as speech, or multiple services like OT, PT, etc. > WITHIN the IEP, you would then add in the other issues, such as > physical accomodation items like desks and tricycles. And feeding > issues like frequent snacks, etc. But the key qualifier for the IEP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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