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All the other cases of Complex II/III I have heard of or complex III have

all been with a child affected but not the parent or a adult affected but not

the children which is what I have been told is what is expected because they

say it is autosomal recessive. however this can not be the case for you and i

.

I believe it is nuclear but autosomal dominant, however that is just my

opinion.

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B, I am going to go ahead and request mine be checked however I wonder since

my I/III is good maybe it is not COQ10 but it is always better tested than

not I think so this week when I see my neuro I am going to ask him to call her

and see if we can do it.

I want him to ask her also if she thinks it would be worth it to run any DNA

testing. She has my daiughters muscle also.

you never know

karen

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, all I can say is that I too am deficient in II/III but also in

all other complexes. My defect is thought to be in mitochondrial transport,

specifically in one of the heat shock proteins, which then reduces all

mitochondrial enzymes. The transport defect is in nDNA, not mtDNA, but

secondarily reduces all mito enzymes, regardless of whether they are nuclear

encoded or mt encoded. There is another patient in Adult Mito whose child

has a deficiency in II/III as well as I and III. She was diagnosed by

Shoffner and also has questions about II/III which have not been answered.

Barbara

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From: mitomomtoo

Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 7:25 AM

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Subject: looking over my biopsy results-------any ideas here?

I have a question to ask of all the " experts " here on the list.

and I have spoken frequesntly about having Mtdna defects and being

deficient in Complexes II-III. We have both been told that this is

very unusual because Complex II is entirely nuclear. Complex III has

only 1 unit that is MTdna related. Both Dr Cohen, my doc, and

Dr. Navuix, her doc, have said this is quite unusual. My son

who is now 6 and was biopsied first at CCF when he was 11 months.His

biopsy was the first in our family to show this defect. My biopsy

showed deficiencies as well and " RARE FOCI OF MILD CHRONIC

INFLAMMATION " . Do any of you know exactly what this means. Dr Cohen

explains " that the pathology is not entirely normal " but doesn't say

much more about what could be going on. Given my lactic acidosis in

my CSF, family history and clinical and labratory data, he is going

ahead with the Mito Diagnosis. He says he doesn't know what to make

of the inflammation but he has seen this in previous Mito patients.

Any ideas or comments for me? Have any of you had a similar biopsy

report?

Hugs,

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, all I can say is that I too am deficient in II/III but also in

all other complexes. My defect is thought to be in mitochondrial transport,

specifically in one of the heat shock proteins, which then reduces all

mitochondrial enzymes. The transport defect is in nDNA, not mtDNA, but

secondarily reduces all mito enzymes, regardless of whether they are nuclear

encoded or mt encoded. There is another patient in Adult Mito whose child

has a deficiency in II/III as well as I and III. She was diagnosed by

Shoffner and also has questions about II/III which have not been answered.

Barbara

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From: mitomomtoo

Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 7:25 AM

To:

Subject: looking over my biopsy results-------any ideas here?

I have a question to ask of all the " experts " here on the list.

and I have spoken frequesntly about having Mtdna defects and being

deficient in Complexes II-III. We have both been told that this is

very unusual because Complex II is entirely nuclear. Complex III has

only 1 unit that is MTdna related. Both Dr Cohen, my doc, and

Dr. Navuix, her doc, have said this is quite unusual. My son

who is now 6 and was biopsied first at CCF when he was 11 months.His

biopsy was the first in our family to show this defect. My biopsy

showed deficiencies as well and " RARE FOCI OF MILD CHRONIC

INFLAMMATION " . Do any of you know exactly what this means. Dr Cohen

explains " that the pathology is not entirely normal " but doesn't say

much more about what could be going on. Given my lactic acidosis in

my CSF, family history and clinical and labratory data, he is going

ahead with the Mito Diagnosis. He says he doesn't know what to make

of the inflammation but he has seen this in previous Mito patients.

Any ideas or comments for me? Have any of you had a similar biopsy

report?

Hugs,

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Interesting thought. Did they check your Q10? Dr. V can do that if there is

any tissue left.

B

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Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 1:56 PM

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Subject: Re: looking over my biopsy results-------any ideas here?

Barbara,

from what I have read so far a patient that has complex I/III and II/III

most likely has a defect in COQ10.

Just a thought

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I'm going out on a limb with an idea that is all mine and therefore probably

faulty. Complex II is the one that is outside the respiratory chain and

enters between I and III. My idea is that there is something going on in the

mtDNA (if that seems to be the pattern in your family) that is affecting the

II and III. There are many genes that act as helpers for want of a better

term and the defect might be in that area.

Dr. Shoffner found no defects in the complex I area of the mtDNA in me, yet

everything we see as family history points to a mtDNA defect. There have 8

7 living affected members showing the material line of transmission and

others going back in previous generations that probably fit the bill for

having mito.

I think that one of my early frozen biopsies identified some inflammation. I

wonder if it could be due to the mitochondria trying to work while being

defective (while dying)?

I can always come up with lots of questions, but don't have the background

to know if the questions even make sense.

laurie

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> Reply-To:

> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 13:25:26 -0000

> To:

> Subject: looking over my biopsy results-------any ideas here?

>

>

> I have a question to ask of all the " experts " here on the list.

> and I have spoken frequesntly about having Mtdna defects and being

> deficient in Complexes II-III. We have both been told that this is

> very unusual because Complex II is entirely nuclear. Complex III has

> only 1 unit that is MTdna related. Both Dr Cohen, my doc, and

> Dr. Navuix, her doc, have said this is quite unusual. My son

> who is now 6 and was biopsied first at CCF when he was 11 months.His

> biopsy was the first in our family to show this defect. My biopsy

> showed deficiencies as well and " RARE FOCI OF MILD CHRONIC

> INFLAMMATION " . Do any of you know exactly what this means. Dr Cohen

> explains " that the pathology is not entirely normal " but doesn't say

> much more about what could be going on. Given my lactic acidosis in

> my CSF, family history and clinical and labratory data, he is going

> ahead with the Mito Diagnosis. He says he doesn't know what to make

> of the inflammation but he has seen this in previous Mito patients.

> Any ideas or comments for me? Have any of you had a similar biopsy

> report?

>

> Hugs,

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained herein

> are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of this e mail is

> entirely responsible for its content. List members are reminded of their

> responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and consult with their

> physicians regarding changes in their own treatment.

>

> Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who sends one is

> automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of the attack.

>

>

>

>

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Good plan. I expect she would be interested in considering Q10 and some

selective mutation screening, given the family history. Hope it works out!

Barbara

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From: MitomomX3@...

Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 2:27 PM

To:

Subject: Re: looking over my biopsy results-------any ideas here?

B, I am going to go ahead and request mine be checked however I wonder

since

my I/III is good maybe it is not COQ10 but it is always better tested than

not I think so this week when I see my neuro I am going to ask him to call

her

and see if we can do it.

I want him to ask her also if she thinks it would be worth it to run any

DNA

testing. She has my daiughters muscle also.

you never know

karen

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I have signs of " chronic inflammation " in my muscle too, and also

necrotic (dead) muscle that is being destroyed and replaced. " Foci "

just means " small areas " . But I also show a deficiency in Complex I

activity (and some others, I forget which, but the defect is so huge

in Complex I activity I don't mention the others.)

Take care,

RH

>

> I have a question to ask of all the " experts " here on the list.

> and I have spoken frequesntly about having Mtdna defects and being

> deficient in Complexes II-III. We have both been told that this is

> very unusual because Complex II is entirely nuclear. Complex III

has

> only 1 unit that is MTdna related. Both Dr Cohen, my doc, and

> Dr. Navuix, her doc, have said this is quite unusual. My son

> who is now 6 and was biopsied first at CCF when he was 11

months.His

> biopsy was the first in our family to show this defect. My biopsy

> showed deficiencies as well and " RARE FOCI OF MILD CHRONIC

> INFLAMMATION " . Do any of you know exactly what this means. Dr

Cohen

> explains " that the pathology is not entirely normal " but doesn't

say

> much more about what could be going on. Given my lactic acidosis in

> my CSF, family history and clinical and labratory data, he is going

> ahead with the Mito Diagnosis. He says he doesn't know what to make

> of the inflammation but he has seen this in previous Mito patients.

> Any ideas or comments for me? Have any of you had a similar biopsy

> report?

>

> Hugs,

>

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