Re: high calorie drinks/shakes

[Guest guest]

In looking for a drink for my Maxi, I wanted something that

nutritionally could fill the need for him over night or in

emergencies. You are right about the protein issue for a small

infant, but one growing and digesting other animal products should

not have a hard time. Chemically, I personally have a problem with

instant breakfast for Maxi. The sugar calories versus everything

else in that drink, I personally find unnacceptable. I like the

Kashi Go Lean because of it's balance. I am aware, that by putting

in icecream and such that I am adding sugar, but the mix doesn't

have to be so fast acting carb,so much sugar to begin with, there

are other sugars to to the trick. There is also the risk of insulin

resistance to consider, and lean protein, or protein derived from

plant source foods, feeds you nutrients without over taxing the

liver or kidneys. The other thing I do to make sure that there

shouldn't be any problem with his digestion and absorption of

nutrients is to put the digestive enzymes in there just in case.

They also seem to help his reflux. I am not a chemist but have a

background in nutrition. I am not a doctor(yet), but have had over

200 hours of post graduate study in the feild of nutrition. I am

pretty comfortable with my choice of mix and choice of shake. When

you have to get the weight up, no matter what, I find this an

acceptable option, and one that provides decent plant based

nutrients to boot. Just this mom's opinion.

hugs,

AmyMarie

> Regarding high calorie drinks, be very careful when using the

mixes. When our son was diagnosed w/ RSS, we consulted w/ Dr.

Crawford of Mass General Hospital in Boston. He was at the time,

Chief of Ped. Endo.- Emeritus, thus highly qualified and respected.

He was also Dr. Harbison's mentor and the " father " of growth hormone

use. I specifically asked him about using high calorie drinks. I

remember him saying very clearly to steer away from these drinks

because it too many calories are used to burn up the protein and you

would be doing a disservice to your child. Just his opinion then

and it may have changed w/ this " Atkins Era " , but I just thought I

would bring out the issue. We saw numerous nutritionists (as we all

know, they don't know it all w/ RSS) and they suggested mixing

Pediasure w/ Carnation Instant Breakfast. When we saw Harbison, she

had a cow. " Of course he isn't eating, he is too full of these

drinks. Take him off these drinks " . We just couldn't win. Bottom

line - do what is best for your child.

>

> mom of Zack, 7 yrs.& 10 mos., 48 " and 48 lbs. - not bad, eh?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In looking for a drink for my Maxi, I wanted something that

nutritionally could fill the need for him over night or in

emergencies. You are right about the protein issue for a small

infant, but one growing and digesting other animal products should

not have a hard time. Chemically, I personally have a problem with

instant breakfast for Maxi. The sugar calories versus everything

else in that drink, I personally find unnacceptable. I like the

Kashi Go Lean because of it's balance. I am aware, that by putting

in icecream and such that I am adding sugar, but the mix doesn't

have to be so fast acting carb,so much sugar to begin with, there

are other sugars to to the trick. There is also the risk of insulin

resistance to consider, and lean protein, or protein derived from

plant source foods, feeds you nutrients without over taxing the

liver or kidneys. The other thing I do to make sure that there

shouldn't be any problem with his digestion and absorption of

nutrients is to put the digestive enzymes in there just in case.

They also seem to help his reflux. I am not a chemist but have a

background in nutrition. I am not a doctor(yet), but have had over

200 hours of post graduate study in the feild of nutrition. I am

pretty comfortable with my choice of mix and choice of shake. When

you have to get the weight up, no matter what, I find this an

acceptable option, and one that provides decent plant based

nutrients to boot. Just this mom's opinion.

hugs,

AmyMarie

> Regarding high calorie drinks, be very careful when using the

mixes. When our son was diagnosed w/ RSS, we consulted w/ Dr.

Crawford of Mass General Hospital in Boston. He was at the time,

Chief of Ped. Endo.- Emeritus, thus highly qualified and respected.

He was also Dr. Harbison's mentor and the " father " of growth hormone

use. I specifically asked him about using high calorie drinks. I

remember him saying very clearly to steer away from these drinks

because it too many calories are used to burn up the protein and you

would be doing a disservice to your child. Just his opinion then

and it may have changed w/ this " Atkins Era " , but I just thought I

would bring out the issue. We saw numerous nutritionists (as we all

know, they don't know it all w/ RSS) and they suggested mixing

Pediasure w/ Carnation Instant Breakfast. When we saw Harbison, she

had a cow. " Of course he isn't eating, he is too full of these

drinks. Take him off these drinks " . We just couldn't win. Bottom

line - do what is best for your child.

>

> mom of Zack, 7 yrs.& 10 mos., 48 " and 48 lbs. - not bad, eh?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Amy Marie,

You obviously know what you are talking about. Can I get your

opinion on the Scandishake as a calorie booster?

Pattie

> > Regarding high calorie drinks, be very careful when using the

> mixes. When our son was diagnosed w/ RSS, we consulted w/ Dr.

> Crawford of Mass General Hospital in Boston. He was at the time,

> Chief of Ped. Endo.- Emeritus, thus highly qualified and

respected.

> He was also Dr. Harbison's mentor and the " father " of growth

hormone

> use. I specifically asked him about using high calorie drinks. I

> remember him saying very clearly to steer away from these drinks

> because it too many calories are used to burn up the protein and

you

> would be doing a disservice to your child. Just his opinion then

> and it may have changed w/ this " Atkins Era " , but I just thought I

> would bring out the issue. We saw numerous nutritionists (as we

all

> know, they don't know it all w/ RSS) and they suggested mixing

> Pediasure w/ Carnation Instant Breakfast. When we saw Harbison,

she

> had a cow. " Of course he isn't eating, he is too full of these

> drinks. Take him off these drinks " . We just couldn't win. Bottom

> line - do what is best for your child.

> >

> > mom of Zack, 7 yrs.& 10 mos., 48 " and 48 lbs. - not bad, eh?

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

We heard the SAME thing from Dr. Harbison in NY, and then the GI and

nutritionist at Cedar Sinai this spring. They said to give a child a

high calorie milkshake (like with half-and-half, ice cream and

Carnation Instant Breakfast) ONLY as a mid-afternoon snack or bedtime

snack, AFTER a meal and at least 3 hours before the next meal. They

said that of course kids want these drinks, and they won't eat their

regular meal, and the calories obtained from a regular meal are much

better suited for their growth. One milkshake a day should be

the " treat " and the " extra incremental calories. "

Then again, what if you have a kid who won't eat any food.... Hmmm.

> Regarding high calorie drinks, be very careful when using the

mixes. When our son was diagnosed w/ RSS, we consulted w/ Dr.

Crawford of Mass General Hospital in Boston. He was at the time,

Chief of Ped. Endo.- Emeritus, thus highly qualified and respected.

He was also Dr. Harbison's mentor and the " father " of growth hormone

use. I specifically asked him about using high calorie drinks. I

remember him saying very clearly to steer away from these drinks

because it too many calories are used to burn up the protein and you

would be doing a disservice to your child. Just his opinion then and

it may have changed w/ this " Atkins Era " , but I just thought I would

bring out the issue. We saw numerous nutritionists (as we all know,

they don't know it all w/ RSS) and they suggested mixing Pediasure w/

Carnation Instant Breakfast. When we saw Harbison, she had a

cow. " Of course he isn't eating, he is too full of these drinks.

Take him off these drinks " . We just couldn't win. Bottom line - do

what is best for your child.

>

> mom of Zack, 7 yrs.& 10 mos., 48 " and 48 lbs. - not bad, eh?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Pattie,

The scandishake wouldn't be my first choice, it would be my third of

fourth. I would use it, if I couldn't find anything I thought was

better. I have a problem with the sugar or carb to protein ratio. It

is about 7 to one carbs over protein. Anything over four or fiveto

one, and I begin to worry about that as a " long time " or " frequent "

food for my child. It doesn't rate in taste either, more important

to older kids. For just calories, I suppose it is o.k., for wasting,

the fat content makes it highly desirable. But fat is hard on the

liver to digest, and as we are already using ice cream and half and

half with these kids, for the volume, I think there are more

balanced choices.

I haven't tried the Epulor, but the nutrtional content on it has my

interest peaked. I would really like to get some, but it is a

prescription product right now, but that looks like it has real

possibilities. The volume of product 1.5 oz of product providing the

same calories and the four over one carb to protein ratio as well as

an equal fat to protein ratio really has me interested. Not so much

for Maxi, who eats all day, everyday, but for those kids who can't

handle any volume at all. Less than two oz of this product contains

a third of the RDA for many nutrients and even if one used 3

servings a day, you are talking less than five oz of product, or

roughly one half of a milk shake. This makes the " too full to eat

real food " problem less likely, and offers some nutritiona s well.

But all this is speculative at this point, as I haven't tried it,

don't know what it tastes like, and don't know how it is

manufactured (this makes a lot of difference in the quality of a

product). As it is a prescription item, the FDA will have had to

sign off on it's safety, so it has me curious.

I chose my shake mix because it was easy to get, over the counter,

it had the right balance of nutrients to my my liking for my child,

had the right caloric ratios to my liking and what I consider

quality ingredients, so I could feel really good about it. It tastes

good too. The fact that is has so low fat really didn't bother me

because I was mixing it with half and half and ice cream

already.With regard to kids that don't eat, mine does, and he gets a

shake every day on top of his calories through out the day. If he is

sick(who likes to eat wehen they are sick) I don't push food, only

liquids, but he never refuses the shake. Maxi is one of those

children who doesn't gain weight because he doesn't eat, he eats

around the clock. With his shake in the evening, he is still up at

midnight and four, or two and six to eat again. So, for me, it isn't

a matter of him being too full, that doesn't usually happen.

Hope I answered fully enough, I am gabby, eh?

hugs,

AmyMarie

> > > Regarding high calorie drinks, be very careful when using the

> > mixes. When our son was diagnosed w/ RSS, we consulted w/ Dr.

> > Crawford of Mass General Hospital in Boston. He was at the

time,

> > Chief of Ped. Endo.- Emeritus, thus highly qualified and

> respected.

> > He was also Dr. Harbison's mentor and the " father " of growth

> hormone

> > use. I specifically asked him about using high calorie drinks. I

> > remember him saying very clearly to steer away from these drinks

> > because it too many calories are used to burn up the protein and

> you

> > would be doing a disservice to your child. Just his opinion

then

> > and it may have changed w/ this " Atkins Era " , but I just thought

I

> > would bring out the issue. We saw numerous nutritionists (as we

> all

> > know, they don't know it all w/ RSS) and they suggested mixing

> > Pediasure w/ Carnation Instant Breakfast. When we saw Harbison,

> she

> > had a cow. " Of course he isn't eating, he is too full of these

> > drinks. Take him off these drinks " . We just couldn't win.

Bottom

> > line - do what is best for your child.

> > >

> > > mom of Zack, 7 yrs.& 10 mos., 48 " and 48 lbs. - not bad, eh?

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Amy Marie,

Thanks for the answer, that was great. Jon is just like Maxi, he

eats all day and eats a lot. I added the Scandishake at bedtime just

to get those 600 calories. I do not add half and half or ice cream

to his food, and before the shakes he would just eat a bowl of ice

cream before bed. Do you think that your shake would be a better

option for Jon also? I forgot to mention that Jon is 8 and since he

grew up on SOy milk he actually likes the taste of the chocolate

Scandishake. But maybe he would like Maxi's shake better.

I hope to talk with you more at the convention.

Thanks,

Pattie

> > > > Regarding high calorie drinks, be very careful when using

the

> > > mixes. When our son was diagnosed w/ RSS, we consulted w/ Dr.

>

> > > Crawford of Mass General Hospital in Boston. He was at the

> time,

> > > Chief of Ped. Endo.- Emeritus, thus highly qualified and

> > respected.

> > > He was also Dr. Harbison's mentor and the " father " of growth

> > hormone

> > > use. I specifically asked him about using high calorie drinks.

I

> > > remember him saying very clearly to steer away from these

drinks

> > > because it too many calories are used to burn up the protein

and

> > you

> > > would be doing a disservice to your child. Just his opinion

> then

> > > and it may have changed w/ this " Atkins Era " , but I just

thought

> I

> > > would bring out the issue. We saw numerous nutritionists (as

we

> > all

> > > know, they don't know it all w/ RSS) and they suggested mixing

> > > Pediasure w/ Carnation Instant Breakfast. When we saw

Harbison,

> > she

> > > had a cow. " Of course he isn't eating, he is too full of these

> > > drinks. Take him off these drinks " . We just couldn't win.

> Bottom

> > > line - do what is best for your child.

> > > >

> > > > mom of Zack, 7 yrs.& 10 mos., 48 " and 48 lbs. - not bad, eh?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

We ordered Epulor direct without a prescription. We had a terrible time getting

a pharmacy to order it, and it was cheaper to buy it myself. Here is the site:

www.vistapharm.com

Dayna, Mom to Alyssa 20 mo

Re: high calorie drinks/shakes

Hi Pattie,

The scandishake wouldn't be my first choice, it would be my third of

fourth. I would use it, if I couldn't find anything I thought was

better. I have a problem with the sugar or carb to protein ratio. It

is about 7 to one carbs over protein. Anything over four or fiveto

one, and I begin to worry about that as a " long time " or " frequent "

food for my child. It doesn't rate in taste either, more important

to older kids. For just calories, I suppose it is o.k., for wasting,

the fat content makes it highly desirable. But fat is hard on the

liver to digest, and as we are already using ice cream and half and

half with these kids, for the volume, I think there are more

balanced choices.

I haven't tried the Epulor, but the nutrtional content on it has my

interest peaked. I would really like to get some, but it is a

prescription product right now, but that looks like it has real

possibilities. The volume of product 1.5 oz of product providing the

same calories and the four over one carb to protein ratio as well as

an equal fat to protein ratio really has me interested. Not so much

for Maxi, who eats all day, everyday, but for those kids who can't

handle any volume at all. Less than two oz of this product contains

a third of the RDA for many nutrients and even if one used 3

servings a day, you are talking less than five oz of product, or

roughly one half of a milk shake. This makes the " too full to eat

real food " problem less likely, and offers some nutritiona s well.

But all this is speculative at this point, as I haven't tried it,

don't know what it tastes like, and don't know how it is

manufactured (this makes a lot of difference in the quality of a

product). As it is a prescription item, the FDA will have had to

sign off on it's safety, so it has me curious.

I chose my shake mix because it was easy to get, over the counter,

it had the right balance of nutrients to my my liking for my child,

had the right caloric ratios to my liking and what I consider

quality ingredients, so I could feel really good about it. It tastes

good too. The fact that is has so low fat really didn't bother me

because I was mixing it with half and half and ice cream

already.With regard to kids that don't eat, mine does, and he gets a

shake every day on top of his calories through out the day. If he is

sick(who likes to eat wehen they are sick) I don't push food, only

liquids, but he never refuses the shake. Maxi is one of those

children who doesn't gain weight because he doesn't eat, he eats

around the clock. With his shake in the evening, he is still up at

midnight and four, or two and six to eat again. So, for me, it isn't

a matter of him being too full, that doesn't usually happen.

Hope I answered fully enough, I am gabby, eh?

hugs,

AmyMarie

> > > Regarding high calorie drinks, be very careful when using the

> > mixes. When our son was diagnosed w/ RSS, we consulted w/ Dr.

> > Crawford of Mass General Hospital in Boston. He was at the

time,

> > Chief of Ped. Endo.- Emeritus, thus highly qualified and

> respected.

> > He was also Dr. Harbison's mentor and the " father " of growth

> hormone

> > use. I specifically asked him about using high calorie drinks. I

> > remember him saying very clearly to steer away from these drinks

> > because it too many calories are used to burn up the protein and

> you

> > would be doing a disservice to your child. Just his opinion

then

> > and it may have changed w/ this " Atkins Era " , but I just thought

I

> > would bring out the issue. We saw numerous nutritionists (as we

> all

> > know, they don't know it all w/ RSS) and they suggested mixing

> > Pediasure w/ Carnation Instant Breakfast. When we saw Harbison,

> she

> > had a cow. " Of course he isn't eating, he is too full of these

> > drinks. Take him off these drinks " . We just couldn't win.

Bottom

> > line - do what is best for your child.

> > >

> > > mom of Zack, 7 yrs.& 10 mos., 48 " and 48 lbs. - not bad, eh?

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Pattie,

Well, why don't we let Jon try a shake or two at the convention? I

plan on bringing mix, a blender, a cooler, well, actually 2 (they

are the collapsable type), and buying some supplies when I get

there . I think I'll use whole cream and ice, I can't imagine

storing ice cream in my cooler, lol. But I'll bring some extra mix.

Since I make one for Maxi every night, maybe they can have a " shake

date " . I am coming in Tuesday night or I would ask you to bring some

stuff for me, but it looks like I'll have plenty of time to trek to

the Dominicks across the way. Can't wait to meet everyone.

Hugs,

AmyMarie

> > > > > Regarding high calorie drinks, be very careful when using

> the

> > > > mixes. When our son was diagnosed w/ RSS, we consulted w/

Dr.

> >

> > > > Crawford of Mass General Hospital in Boston. He was at the

> > time,

> > > > Chief of Ped. Endo.- Emeritus, thus highly qualified and

> > > respected.

> > > > He was also Dr. Harbison's mentor and the " father " of growth

> > > hormone

> > > > use. I specifically asked him about using high calorie

drinks.

> I

> > > > remember him saying very clearly to steer away from these

> drinks

> > > > because it too many calories are used to burn up the protein

> and

> > > you

> > > > would be doing a disservice to your child. Just his opinion

> > then

> > > > and it may have changed w/ this " Atkins Era " , but I just

> thought

> > I

> > > > would bring out the issue. We saw numerous nutritionists

(as

> we

> > > all

> > > > know, they don't know it all w/ RSS) and they suggested

mixing

> > > > Pediasure w/ Carnation Instant Breakfast. When we saw

> Harbison,

> > > she

> > > > had a cow. " Of course he isn't eating, he is too full of

these

> > > > drinks. Take him off these drinks " . We just couldn't win.

> > Bottom

> > > > line - do what is best for your child.

> > > > >

> > > > > mom of Zack, 7 yrs.& 10 mos., 48 " and 48 lbs. - not bad,

eh?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

A shake date would be great. Jon sees Dr H at 12:30 on Wednesday so

we will get there sometime that morning. I will track you down.

Where are you coming from again?

Pattie

> > > > > > Regarding high calorie drinks, be very careful when

using

> > the

> > > > > mixes. When our son was diagnosed w/ RSS, we consulted w/

> Dr.

> > >

> > > > > Crawford of Mass General Hospital in Boston. He was at the

> > > time,

> > > > > Chief of Ped. Endo.- Emeritus, thus highly qualified and

> > > > respected.

> > > > > He was also Dr. Harbison's mentor and the " father " of

growth

> > > > hormone

> > > > > use. I specifically asked him about using high calorie

> drinks.

> > I

> > > > > remember him saying very clearly to steer away from these

> > drinks

> > > > > because it too many calories are used to burn up the

protein

> > and

> > > > you

> > > > > would be doing a disservice to your child. Just his

opinion

> > > then

> > > > > and it may have changed w/ this " Atkins Era " , but I just

> > thought

> > > I

> > > > > would bring out the issue. We saw numerous nutritionists

> (as

> > we

> > > > all

> > > > > know, they don't know it all w/ RSS) and they suggested

> mixing

> > > > > Pediasure w/ Carnation Instant Breakfast. When we saw

> > Harbison,

> > > > she

> > > > > had a cow. " Of course he isn't eating, he is too full of

> these

> > > > > drinks. Take him off these drinks " . We just couldn't win.

> > > Bottom

> > > > > line - do what is best for your child.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > mom of Zack, 7 yrs.& 10 mos., 48 " and 48 lbs. - not bad,

> eh?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

A shake date would be great. Jon sees Dr H at 12:30 on Wednesday so

we will get there sometime that morning. I will track you down.

Where are you coming from again?

Pattie

> > > > > > Regarding high calorie drinks, be very careful when

using

> > the

> > > > > mixes. When our son was diagnosed w/ RSS, we consulted w/

> Dr.

> > >

> > > > > Crawford of Mass General Hospital in Boston. He was at the

> > > time,

> > > > > Chief of Ped. Endo.- Emeritus, thus highly qualified and

> > > > respected.

> > > > > He was also Dr. Harbison's mentor and the " father " of

growth

> > > > hormone

> > > > > use. I specifically asked him about using high calorie

> drinks.

> > I

> > > > > remember him saying very clearly to steer away from these

> > drinks

> > > > > because it too many calories are used to burn up the

protein

> > and

> > > > you

> > > > > would be doing a disservice to your child. Just his

opinion

> > > then

> > > > > and it may have changed w/ this " Atkins Era " , but I just

> > thought

> > > I

> > > > > would bring out the issue. We saw numerous nutritionists

> (as

> > we

> > > > all

> > > > > know, they don't know it all w/ RSS) and they suggested

> mixing

> > > > > Pediasure w/ Carnation Instant Breakfast. When we saw

> > Harbison,

> > > > she

> > > > > had a cow. " Of course he isn't eating, he is too full of

> these

> > > > > drinks. Take him off these drinks " . We just couldn't win.

> > > Bottom

> > > > > line - do what is best for your child.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > mom of Zack, 7 yrs.& 10 mos., 48 " and 48 lbs. - not bad,

> eh?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi pattie,

Maxi's appt. is at noon, on wednesday, so, I guess we will meet by

default if not earlier. I am coming in Tuedays night from the DC

area. I planned on going to the store that afternoon, but if you

wanted to bring up some heavy cream, and chocolate syrup, I could

pay you for it. This is going to be sooo great, and maybe finally,

some answers!

Hugs,

AmyMarie

> > > > > > > Regarding high calorie drinks, be very careful when

> using

> > > the

> > > > > > mixes. When our son was diagnosed w/ RSS, we consulted

w/

> > Dr.

> > > >

> > > > > > Crawford of Mass General Hospital in Boston. He was at

the

> > > > time,

> > > > > > Chief of Ped. Endo.- Emeritus, thus highly qualified and

> > > > > respected.

> > > > > > He was also Dr. Harbison's mentor and the " father " of

> growth

> > > > > hormone

> > > > > > use. I specifically asked him about using high calorie

> > drinks.

> > > I

> > > > > > remember him saying very clearly to steer away from

these

> > > drinks

> > > > > > because it too many calories are used to burn up the

> protein

> > > and

> > > > > you

> > > > > > would be doing a disservice to your child. Just his

> opinion

> > > > then

> > > > > > and it may have changed w/ this " Atkins Era " , but I just

> > > thought

> > > > I

> > > > > > would bring out the issue. We saw numerous

nutritionists

> > (as

> > > we

> > > > > all

> > > > > > know, they don't know it all w/ RSS) and they suggested

> > mixing

> > > > > > Pediasure w/ Carnation Instant Breakfast. When we saw

> > > Harbison,

> > > > > she

> > > > > > had a cow. " Of course he isn't eating, he is too full

of

> > these

> > > > > > drinks. Take him off these drinks " . We just couldn't

win.

> > > > Bottom

> > > > > > line - do what is best for your child.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > mom of Zack, 7 yrs.& 10 mos., 48 " and 48 lbs. - not

bad,

> > eh?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi pattie,

Maxi's appt. is at noon, on wednesday, so, I guess we will meet by

default if not earlier. I am coming in Tuedays night from the DC

area. I planned on going to the store that afternoon, but if you

wanted to bring up some heavy cream, and chocolate syrup, I could

pay you for it. This is going to be sooo great, and maybe finally,

some answers!

Hugs,

AmyMarie

> > > > > > > Regarding high calorie drinks, be very careful when

> using

> > > the

> > > > > > mixes. When our son was diagnosed w/ RSS, we consulted

w/

> > Dr.

> > > >

> > > > > > Crawford of Mass General Hospital in Boston. He was at

the

> > > > time,

> > > > > > Chief of Ped. Endo.- Emeritus, thus highly qualified and

> > > > > respected.

> > > > > > He was also Dr. Harbison's mentor and the " father " of

> growth

> > > > > hormone

> > > > > > use. I specifically asked him about using high calorie

> > drinks.

> > > I

> > > > > > remember him saying very clearly to steer away from

these

> > > drinks

> > > > > > because it too many calories are used to burn up the

> protein

> > > and

> > > > > you

> > > > > > would be doing a disservice to your child. Just his

> opinion

> > > > then

> > > > > > and it may have changed w/ this " Atkins Era " , but I just

> > > thought

> > > > I

> > > > > > would bring out the issue. We saw numerous

nutritionists

> > (as

> > > we

> > > > > all

> > > > > > know, they don't know it all w/ RSS) and they suggested

> > mixing

> > > > > > Pediasure w/ Carnation Instant Breakfast. When we saw

> > > Harbison,

> > > > > she

> > > > > > had a cow. " Of course he isn't eating, he is too full

of

> > these

> > > > > > drinks. Take him off these drinks " . We just couldn't

win.

> > > > Bottom

> > > > > > line - do what is best for your child.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > mom of Zack, 7 yrs.& 10 mos., 48 " and 48 lbs. - not

bad,

> > eh?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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Pattie

> > > > > > > > Regarding high calorie drinks, be very careful when

> > using

> > > > the

> > > > > > > mixes. When our son was diagnosed w/ RSS, we consulted

> w/

> > > Dr.

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Crawford of Mass General Hospital in Boston. He was at

> the

> > > > > time,

> > > > > > > Chief of Ped. Endo.- Emeritus, thus highly qualified

and

> > > > > > respected.

> > > > > > > He was also Dr. Harbison's mentor and the " father " of

> > growth

> > > > > > hormone

> > > > > > > use. I specifically asked him about using high calorie

> > > drinks.

> > > > I

> > > > > > > remember him saying very clearly to steer away from

> these

> > > > drinks

> > > > > > > because it too many calories are used to burn up the

> > protein

> > > > and

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > would be doing a disservice to your child. Just his

> > opinion

> > > > > then

> > > > > > > and it may have changed w/ this " Atkins Era " , but I

just

> > > > thought

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > would bring out the issue. We saw numerous

> nutritionists

> > > (as

> > > > we

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > know, they don't know it all w/ RSS) and they suggested

> > > mixing

> > > > > > > Pediasure w/ Carnation Instant Breakfast. When we saw

> > > > Harbison,

> > > > > > she

> > > > > > > had a cow. " Of course he isn't eating, he is too full

> of

> > > these

> > > > > > > drinks. Take him off these drinks " . We just couldn't

> win.

> > > > > Bottom

> > > > > > > line - do what is best for your child.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > mom of Zack, 7 yrs.& 10 mos., 48 " and 48 lbs. - not

> bad,

> > > eh?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >