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Jayme,

Good luck with your Dr's appt. Although the no sleeping may not change, your

baby shouldn't hate the DBB. After a few days, it shouldn't be an issue

anymore. Also, you really need to do the 23/7 for the bar. In the first 3

months, you have to be really dilligent about keeping the bar on. Otherwise,

their feet start to turn back and then putting the DBB on will be uncomfortable

and she will cry. After you get through the first three months and start

cutting hours, it really does get easier.

Also, I had the same problem with Rose and breastfeeding. The nurses said she

was " practicing " in the womb and she sucked her lower lip. She just never got

the hang of it so I started pumping. When she was just over a month old, I said

enough is enough and switched to formula. My husband thought I was copping out

but let me make the decision. There are not enough hours in the day to pump and

feed separately, especially if you have another child. I don't want to start a

war over breastfeeding vs bottlefeeding, but there is a lot to be said for

pouring the formula into a bottle and into your baby. I didn't use the powder

stuff, I bought the condensed liquid and really liked it. Rose did just great

on formula. There are those babies that latch on with very little problem and

do really well but there are others that just dont' have the skills or patience

for the breast.

Best of luck,

Robin & Rose

3/12/03

Right club foot

jayme nelson jayme@...> wrote:

Hi everyone.

I want to thank you for all of your wonderful information. My 2 month

old Ava hates her DBB, which we just got. We aren't sleeping much, and

I feel like the meanest mommy in the whole wide world. Her feet slip

out of them almost every night, and it is frustrating.

I am still trying to pump for her (nursing didn't work well with her- we

ended up in the hospital for failure to thrive for 6 days when she was

just 2 weeks old). Between pumping, bottling, bracing, stretching, and

trying to assure my 4 year-old that I still love her just the same, I am

drained! It is so nice to hear others are going through similar

situations.

I'm not sure our DBB is set correctly. No one has looked at it and her

feet just seem way too close together. Also, the bar clamps onto the

shoes, and sometimes the shoes fall off the bar. I see there are holes

in the bottom of the shoes, which should probably be utilized right now

(from pics I've seen on the web). I have enjoyed reading about the

Ponseti Method. I guess I have been in denial this whole time since my

family doctor told me from day 1 that she did not have club foot, but

the orthopedic disagreed. I felt stuck in the middle, so I just assumed

it was positioning. (It was obvious something was wrong upon delivery

when everyone in the room got quiet and I asked, " What's wrong with my

baby? " ) But after 4 weeks of casting, and finally looking for support

out here on the web I am now convinced that she definitely has bilateral

clubfoot. Her feet looked just like those in the pictures on many

websites I visited. I can't wait for Monday when we have our next

doctor's visit because I am so much more educated now and I feel

confident to have a list of questions to force him to answer (he doesn't

spend much time talking with his patients).

Thanks so much for all of your help. I better get back to holding her.

That seems to be the only way she is comforted when she has the braces

on. Does nights and naptimes sound like enough to all of you, after

having just finished with casting? From my research, I see 23 hours is

recommended. Hmmm.

So many questions!

Thanks,

Jayme

Independent Sales Director

for the Pampered Chef

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What a long night! I really think these DBB's are set wrong. Has

anyone heard of using a clamp to clamp the shoes? It seems like there

should be a bar to screw into the bottom. Also, I think her feet are

much too close together.

Why is my doctor telling me that I only need the DBB during naps and

bedtimes and only shoes in between? How do I tactfully ask about this?

How can I be SURE these are set right? Ava woke up every 20-30 minutes

SCREAMING! I finally took them off at 4 this morning, to check for

blisters, but didn't see much. Her heels were a little red. Is this

normal? I left them off until 7:00 and they were still a little red.

Is there a way to find out if my doctor is even qualified to treat this?

I am in Sioux Falls, SD and he comes highly recommended as an Orthopedic

Doctor.

Thanks,

Jayme

Independent Sales Director

for the Pampered Chef

fullnelson@...> fullnelson@...

Re: New to DBB

Jayme,

Good luck with your Dr's appt. Although the no sleeping may not change,

your baby shouldn't hate the DBB. After a few days, it shouldn't be an

issue anymore. Also, you really need to do the 23/7 for the bar. In

the first 3 months, you have to be really dilligent about keeping the

bar on. Otherwise, their feet start to turn back and then putting the

DBB on will be uncomfortable and she will cry. After you get through

the first three months and start cutting hours, it really does get

easier.

Also, I had the same problem with Rose and breastfeeding. The nurses

said she was " practicing " in the womb and she sucked her lower lip. She

just never got the hang of it so I started pumping. When she was just

over a month old, I said enough is enough and switched to formula. My

husband thought I was copping out but let me make the decision. There

are not enough hours in the day to pump and feed separately, especially

if you have another child. I don't want to start a war over

breastfeeding vs bottlefeeding, but there is a lot to be said for

pouring the formula into a bottle and into your baby. I didn't use the

powder stuff, I bought the condensed liquid and really liked it. Rose

did just great on formula. There are those babies that latch on with

very little problem and do really well but there are others that just

dont' have the skills or patience for the breast.

Best of luck,

Robin & Rose

3/12/03

Right club foot

jayme nelson jayme@...> wrote:

Hi everyone.

I want to thank you for all of your wonderful information. My 2 month

old Ava hates her DBB, which we just got. We aren't sleeping much, and

I feel like the meanest mommy in the whole wide world. Her feet slip

out of them almost every night, and it is frustrating.

I am still trying to pump for her (nursing didn't work well with her- we

ended up in the hospital for failure to thrive for 6 days when she was

just 2 weeks old). Between pumping, bottling, bracing, stretching, and

trying to assure my 4 year-old that I still love her just the same, I am

drained! It is so nice to hear others are going through similar

situations.

I'm not sure our DBB is set correctly. No one has looked at it and her

feet just seem way too close together. Also, the bar clamps onto the

shoes, and sometimes the shoes fall off the bar. I see there are holes

in the bottom of the shoes, which should probably be utilized right now

(from pics I've seen on the web). I have enjoyed reading about the

Ponseti Method. I guess I have been in denial this whole time since my

family doctor told me from day 1 that she did not have club foot, but

the orthopedic disagreed. I felt stuck in the middle, so I just assumed

it was positioning. (It was obvious something was wrong upon delivery

when everyone in the room got quiet and I asked, " What's wrong with my

baby? " ) But after 4 weeks of casting, and finally looking for support

out here on the web I am now convinced that she definitely has bilateral

clubfoot. Her feet looked just like those in the pictures on many

websites I visited. I can't wait for Monday when we have our next

doctor's visit because I am so much more educated now and I feel

confident to have a list of questions to force him to answer (he doesn't

spend much time talking with his patients).

Thanks so much for all of your help. I better get back to holding her.

That seems to be the only way she is comforted when she has the braces

on. Does nights and naptimes sound like enough to all of you, after

having just finished with casting? From my research, I see 23 hours is

recommended. Hmmm.

So many questions!

Thanks,

Jayme

Independent Sales Director

for the Pampered Chef

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I tried the pumping because a) I wanted an emergency ration in the freezer lest

I got sick and needed meds he couldn't have, and B) because hubby wanted to be

able to take Everett out once in a while, or let me go some place baby-less so

he'd have breast milk to drink, but the whole thing was such a pain in the

hiney. I couldn't get my milk to let down unless I was nursing at the same time

on the other breast, so holding him and a pump was really cumbersome, I spilled

more milk than i saved. Then it never failed, either my husband or my other son

wanted to come " watch " ....stand around visiting and that made me so

uncomfortable (embarassed?) my milk would freeze up. Nursing was OK, but

pumping in front of an audience all I could think of was " Mooo, I'm a cow. "

Then any time I gave Everett a bottle instead of breast he would totally resist

the breast for a few days afterwards, this major battle to get him back

nursing....Ugh. I threw the bottles away and the pump turned in to his sleepy

machine that would hum and vibrate him to bed. Life and feeding really

smoothed out after that and if we wanted to go seperate directions we just timed

it out so Everett didn't need to nurse. The time goes by so fast, pretty soon

he was on solids and sippy cups :) so 'Dad can take him when ever he wants to.

s.

Jayme,

Also, I had the same problem with Rose and breastfeeding. The nurses said she

was " practicing " in the womb and she sucked her lower lip. She just never got

the hang of it so I started pumping. When she was just over a month old, I said

enough is enough and switched to formula. My husband thought I was copping out

but let me make the decision. There are not enough hours in the day to pump and

feed separately, especially if you have another child. I don't want to start a

war over breastfeeding vs bottlefeeding, but there is a lot to be said for

pouring the formula into a bottle and into your baby. I didn't use the powder

stuff, I bought the condensed liquid and really liked it. Rose did just great

on formula. There are those babies that latch on with very little problem and

do really well but there are others that just dont' have the skills or patience

for the breast.

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Sounds like you have trouble in the wings Jayme....how long has your baby been

in the DBB? How far apart are the feet set? At what degree of angle? There

are a lot of factors to consider here. Try to tell us more and we can try to

help you get it figured out, OK? Typically the baby should begin wearing the

DBB 23 hours a day 7 days a week for the first 3 months, and the feet (heels)

should be set shoulder-width apart and the toes turned out 70 degrees. There

are variations to some of this depending on certain cases, but always

shoulder-width. Too narrow or too wide often causes a lot of discomfort.

s.

What a long night! I really think these DBB's are set wrong. Has

anyone heard of using a clamp to clamp the shoes? It seems like there

should be a bar to screw into the bottom. Also, I think her feet are

much too close together.

Why is my doctor telling me that I only need the DBB during naps and

bedtimes and only shoes in between? How do I tactfully ask about this?

How can I be SURE these are set right? Ava woke up every 20-30 minutes

SCREAMING! I finally took them off at 4 this morning, to check for

blisters, but didn't see much. Her heels were a little red. Is this

normal? I left them off until 7:00 and they were still a little red.

Is there a way to find out if my doctor is even qualified to treat this?

I am in Sioux Falls, SD and he comes highly recommended as an Orthopedic

Doctor.

Thanks,

Jayme

Independent Sales Director

for the Pampered Chef

fullnelson@...> fullnelson@...

Re: New to DBB

Jayme,

Good luck with your Dr's appt. Although the no sleeping may not change,

your baby shouldn't hate the DBB. After a few days, it shouldn't be an

issue anymore. Also, you really need to do the 23/7 for the bar. In

the first 3 months, you have to be really dilligent about keeping the

bar on. Otherwise, their feet start to turn back and then putting the

DBB on will be uncomfortable and she will cry. After you get through

the first three months and start cutting hours, it really does get

easier.

Also, I had the same problem with Rose and breastfeeding. The nurses

said she was " practicing " in the womb and she sucked her lower lip. She

just never got the hang of it so I started pumping. When she was just

over a month old, I said enough is enough and switched to formula. My

husband thought I was copping out but let me make the decision. There

are not enough hours in the day to pump and feed separately, especially

if you have another child. I don't want to start a war over

breastfeeding vs bottlefeeding, but there is a lot to be said for

pouring the formula into a bottle and into your baby. I didn't use the

powder stuff, I bought the condensed liquid and really liked it. Rose

did just great on formula. There are those babies that latch on with

very little problem and do really well but there are others that just

dont' have the skills or patience for the breast.

Best of luck,

Robin & Rose

3/12/03

Right club foot

jayme nelson jayme@...> wrote:

Hi everyone.

I want to thank you for all of your wonderful information. My 2 month

old Ava hates her DBB, which we just got. We aren't sleeping much, and

I feel like the meanest mommy in the whole wide world. Her feet slip

out of them almost every night, and it is frustrating.

I am still trying to pump for her (nursing didn't work well with her- we

ended up in the hospital for failure to thrive for 6 days when she was

just 2 weeks old). Between pumping, bottling, bracing, stretching, and

trying to assure my 4 year-old that I still love her just the same, I am

drained! It is so nice to hear others are going through similar

situations.

I'm not sure our DBB is set correctly. No one has looked at it and her

feet just seem way too close together. Also, the bar clamps onto the

shoes, and sometimes the shoes fall off the bar. I see there are holes

in the bottom of the shoes, which should probably be utilized right now

(from pics I've seen on the web). I have enjoyed reading about the

Ponseti Method. I guess I have been in denial this whole time since my

family doctor told me from day 1 that she did not have club foot, but

the orthopedic disagreed. I felt stuck in the middle, so I just assumed

it was positioning. (It was obvious something was wrong upon delivery

when everyone in the room got quiet and I asked, " What's wrong with my

baby? " ) But after 4 weeks of casting, and finally looking for support

out here on the web I am now convinced that she definitely has bilateral

clubfoot. Her feet looked just like those in the pictures on many

websites I visited. I can't wait for Monday when we have our next

doctor's visit because I am so much more educated now and I feel

confident to have a list of questions to force him to answer (he doesn't

spend much time talking with his patients).

Thanks so much for all of your help. I better get back to holding her.

That seems to be the only way she is comforted when she has the braces

on. Does nights and naptimes sound like enough to all of you, after

having just finished with casting? From my research, I see 23 hours is

recommended. Hmmm.

So many questions!

Thanks,

Jayme

Independent Sales Director

for the Pampered Chef

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Her heels are 3 inches apart in the brace. Her shoulders are farther

than that! I am afraid her little legs are going to break, or her hips

will be injured. Should I just leave her out of the bar until Monday?

I tried calling the hospital in Iowa City where Ponseti is and they said

to call back on Monday morning. So, hopefully I can find a doctor who

will stick with this method or I will drive to Iowa City, fortunately it

is only 400 miles away.

Thanks everyone!

Jayme

Independent Sales Director

for the Pampered Chef

fullnelson@...> fullnelson@...

Re: New to DBB

Jayme,

Good luck with your Dr's appt. Although the no sleeping may not change,

your baby shouldn't hate the DBB. After a few days, it shouldn't be an

issue anymore. Also, you really need to do the 23/7 for the bar. In

the first 3 months, you have to be really dilligent about keeping the

bar on. Otherwise, their feet start to turn back and then putting the

DBB on will be uncomfortable and she will cry. After you get through

the first three months and start cutting hours, it really does get

easier.

Also, I had the same problem with Rose and breastfeeding. The nurses

said she was " practicing " in the womb and she sucked her lower lip. She

just never got the hang of it so I started pumping. When she was just

over a month old, I said enough is enough and switched to formula. My

husband thought I was copping out but let me make the decision. There

are not enough hours in the day to pump and feed separately, especially

if you have another child. I don't want to start a war over

breastfeeding vs bottlefeeding, but there is a lot to be said for

pouring the formula into a bottle and into your baby. I didn't use the

powder stuff, I bought the condensed liquid and really liked it. Rose

did just great on formula. There are those babies that latch on with

very little problem and do really well but there are others that just

dont' have the skills or patience for the breast.

Best of luck,

Robin & Rose

3/12/03

Right club foot

jayme nelson jayme@...> wrote:

Hi everyone.

I want to thank you for all of your wonderful information. My 2 month

old Ava hates her DBB, which we just got. We aren't sleeping much, and

I feel like the meanest mommy in the whole wide world. Her feet slip

out of them almost every night, and it is frustrating.

I am still trying to pump for her (nursing didn't work well with her- we

ended up in the hospital for failure to thrive for 6 days when she was

just 2 weeks old). Between pumping, bottling, bracing, stretching, and

trying to assure my 4 year-old that I still love her just the same, I am

drained! It is so nice to hear others are going through similar

situations.

I'm not sure our DBB is set correctly. No one has looked at it and her

feet just seem way too close together. Also, the bar clamps onto the

shoes, and sometimes the shoes fall off the bar. I see there are holes

in the bottom of the shoes, which should probably be utilized right now

(from pics I've seen on the web). I have enjoyed reading about the

Ponseti Method. I guess I have been in denial this whole time since my

family doctor told me from day 1 that she did not have club foot, but

the orthopedic disagreed. I felt stuck in the middle, so I just assumed

it was positioning. (It was obvious something was wrong upon delivery

when everyone in the room got quiet and I asked, " What's wrong with my

baby? " ) But after 4 weeks of casting, and finally looking for support

out here on the web I am now convinced that she definitely has bilateral

clubfoot. Her feet looked just like those in the pictures on many

websites I visited. I can't wait for Monday when we have our next

doctor's visit because I am so much more educated now and I feel

confident to have a list of questions to force him to answer (he doesn't

spend much time talking with his patients).

Thanks so much for all of your help. I better get back to holding her.

That seems to be the only way she is comforted when she has the braces

on. Does nights and naptimes sound like enough to all of you, after

having just finished with casting? From my research, I see 23 hours is

recommended. Hmmm.

So many questions!

Thanks,

Jayme

Independent Sales Director

for the Pampered Chef

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Jayme--

Good luck! You are doing a fantastic job of finding out as much as you can

about your daughter's condition. From what you have told us, it does sound like

there is something fishy about your daughter's treatment. Was she casted before

she was put into the DBB/FAB? If so, how many casts and were they above or

below the knee? Did she have the Achilles tenotomy procedure? How do her feet

look now compared to when she was born? Typically, a corrected foot looks

pretty much like a normal foot, with some extra skin at the ankle. In the

Ponseti method, the foot usually looks overcorrected for quite some time. So my

17 month old son, for instance, walks with his feet pointing away from each

other like they are while he is in his DBB/FAB instead of pointing straight

ahead as mine do.

Many families on this board have traveled from all over the US and the world to

be treated in Iowa. If you do end up taking your daughter there, they will be

able to give you tips about where to stay and so on. I don't know of anyone who

has regretting making the trip to see Dr Ponseti.

This group is truely amazing--not just for the scope and breadth of its

experience, but also for its compassion. Welcome!

Please keep us posted.

Naomi

The Family

Naomi Hannah(02/21/01) Jonah(06/20/03, bilateral clubfoot, FAB 14/7)

jayme nelson jayme@...> wrote:

Her heels are 3 inches apart in the brace. Her shoulders are farther

than that! I am afraid her little legs are going to break, or her hips

will be injured. Should I just leave her out of the bar until Monday?

I tried calling the hospital in Iowa City where Ponseti is and they said

to call back on Monday morning. So, hopefully I can find a doctor who

will stick with this method or I will drive to Iowa City, fortunately it

is only 400 miles away.

Thanks everyone!

Jayme

Independent Sales Director

for the Pampered Chef

fullnelson@...> fullnelson@...

Re: New to DBB

Jayme,

Good luck with your Dr's appt. Although the no sleeping may not change,

your baby shouldn't hate the DBB. After a few days, it shouldn't be an

issue anymore. Also, you really need to do the 23/7 for the bar. In

the first 3 months, you have to be really dilligent about keeping the

bar on. Otherwise, their feet start to turn back and then putting the

DBB on will be uncomfortable and she will cry. After you get through

the first three months and start cutting hours, it really does get

easier.

Also, I had the same problem with Rose and breastfeeding. The nurses

said she was " practicing " in the womb and she sucked her lower lip. She

just never got the hang of it so I started pumping. When she was just

over a month old, I said enough is enough and switched to formula. My

husband thought I was copping out but let me make the decision. There

are not enough hours in the day to pump and feed separately, especially

if you have another child. I don't want to start a war over

breastfeeding vs bottlefeeding, but there is a lot to be said for

pouring the formula into a bottle and into your baby. I didn't use the

powder stuff, I bought the condensed liquid and really liked it. Rose

did just great on formula. There are those babies that latch on with

very little problem and do really well but there are others that just

dont' have the skills or patience for the breast.

Best of luck,

Robin & Rose

3/12/03

Right club foot

jayme nelson jayme@...> wrote:

Hi everyone.

I want to thank you for all of your wonderful information. My 2 month

old Ava hates her DBB, which we just got. We aren't sleeping much, and

I feel like the meanest mommy in the whole wide world. Her feet slip

out of them almost every night, and it is frustrating.

I am still trying to pump for her (nursing didn't work well with her- we

ended up in the hospital for failure to thrive for 6 days when she was

just 2 weeks old). Between pumping, bottling, bracing, stretching, and

trying to assure my 4 year-old that I still love her just the same, I am

drained! It is so nice to hear others are going through similar

situations.

I'm not sure our DBB is set correctly. No one has looked at it and her

feet just seem way too close together. Also, the bar clamps onto the

shoes, and sometimes the shoes fall off the bar. I see there are holes

in the bottom of the shoes, which should probably be utilized right now

(from pics I've seen on the web). I have enjoyed reading about the

Ponseti Method. I guess I have been in denial this whole time since my

family doctor told me from day 1 that she did not have club foot, but

the orthopedic disagreed. I felt stuck in the middle, so I just assumed

it was positioning. (It was obvious something was wrong upon delivery

when everyone in the room got quiet and I asked, " What's wrong with my

baby? " ) But after 4 weeks of casting, and finally looking for support

out here on the web I am now convinced that she definitely has bilateral

clubfoot. Her feet looked just like those in the pictures on many

websites I visited. I can't wait for Monday when we have our next

doctor's visit because I am so much more educated now and I feel

confident to have a list of questions to force him to answer (he doesn't

spend much time talking with his patients).

Thanks so much for all of your help. I better get back to holding her.

That seems to be the only way she is comforted when she has the braces

on. Does nights and naptimes sound like enough to all of you, after

having just finished with casting? From my research, I see 23 hours is

recommended. Hmmm.

So many questions!

Thanks,

Jayme

Independent Sales Director

for the Pampered Chef

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Hi Jayme,

I would RUN to Dr. Ponseti if I were you...3 inches apart...no wonder

she is fussy. Do not feel too badly, you would have no way of knowing

this as of course you trust your doctor, he is supposed to be " the

expert " . If it were me, I would leave the brace off and schedule an

appointment with Dr. P as soon as possible! You are relatively close,

the drive will be so worth it!!! Your little Ava will receive the

absolute best care out there for Club foot!

Good luck and please keep us posted!

& Grace

Unilateral RCF (treated by serial casting *Ponseti method* in the

Dennis Browne brace 23/7 - hours to be reduced to 16 on Dec. 7th)

>

> Hi everyone.

>

> I want to thank you for all of your wonderful information. My 2

month

> old Ava hates her DBB, which we just got. We aren't sleeping much,

and

> I feel like the meanest mommy in the whole wide world. Her feet

slip

> out of them almost every night, and it is frustrating.

>

> I am still trying to pump for her (nursing didn't work well with

her- we

> ended up in the hospital for failure to thrive for 6 days when she

was

> just 2 weeks old). Between pumping, bottling, bracing, stretching,

and

> trying to assure my 4 year-old that I still love her just the same,

I am

> drained! It is so nice to hear others are going through similar

> situations.

>

> I'm not sure our DBB is set correctly. No one has looked at it and

her

> feet just seem way too close together. Also, the bar clamps onto

the

> shoes, and sometimes the shoes fall off the bar. I see there are

holes

> in the bottom of the shoes, which should probably be utilized right

now

> (from pics I've seen on the web). I have enjoyed reading about the

> Ponseti Method. I guess I have been in denial this whole time

since my

> family doctor told me from day 1 that she did not have club foot,

but

> the orthopedic disagreed. I felt stuck in the middle, so I just

assumed

> it was positioning. (It was obvious something was wrong upon

delivery

> when everyone in the room got quiet and I asked, " What's wrong with

my

> baby? " ) But after 4 weeks of casting, and finally looking for

support

> out here on the web I am now convinced that she definitely has

bilateral

> clubfoot. Her feet looked just like those in the pictures on many

> websites I visited. I can't wait for Monday when we have our next

> doctor's visit because I am so much more educated now and I feel

> confident to have a list of questions to force him to answer (he

doesn't

> spend much time talking with his patients).

>

> Thanks so much for all of your help. I better get back to holding

her.

> That seems to be the only way she is comforted when she has the

braces

> on. Does nights and naptimes sound like enough to all of you, after

> having just finished with casting? From my research, I see 23

hours is

> recommended. Hmmm.

>

> So many questions!

>

> Thanks,

>

> Jayme

> Independent Sales Director

> for the Pampered Chef

> fullnelson@s...

>

>

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Hi Jayme,

The first doc saw also did the nighttime (didn't even do nap)

with the DBB after 2 months of 23/7 and said to use the shoes the

whole rest of the time --- this is not Ponseti protocol!! I found

this out finally when was 10 months old. We had to go through

the casting, a 2nd tenotomy and FT DBB wear again. Just recently Dr

Herzenberg (whom sees now) included in a tutorial for

a group of doctors and he even mentioned the use of the shoes without

the bar. Said there is NOTHING in the shoes that does anything by

themselves. The treatment is the DBB, not the shoes! With your

mentioning of your doctor saying to use the shoes FT, I would highly

recommend getting a second opinion. There are others on this board

who can probably point you in the right direction to find a Ponseti

qualified doc close to you. I don't have that info with me at the

relatives house (here for the holidays).

Good luck!

Marilouise

9/9/03, LCF, DBB 12-16/24

Owen and 3/20/99

>

> Hi everyone.

>

> I want to thank you for all of your wonderful information. My 2 month

> old Ava hates her DBB, which we just got. We aren't sleeping much, and

> I feel like the meanest mommy in the whole wide world. Her feet slip

> out of them almost every night, and it is frustrating.

>

> I am still trying to pump for her (nursing didn't work well with her- we

> ended up in the hospital for failure to thrive for 6 days when she was

> just 2 weeks old). Between pumping, bottling, bracing, stretching, and

> trying to assure my 4 year-old that I still love her just the same, I am

> drained! It is so nice to hear others are going through similar

> situations.

>

> I'm not sure our DBB is set correctly. No one has looked at it and her

> feet just seem way too close together. Also, the bar clamps onto the

> shoes, and sometimes the shoes fall off the bar. I see there are holes

> in the bottom of the shoes, which should probably be utilized right now

> (from pics I've seen on the web). I have enjoyed reading about the

> Ponseti Method. I guess I have been in denial this whole time since my

> family doctor told me from day 1 that she did not have club foot, but

> the orthopedic disagreed. I felt stuck in the middle, so I just assumed

> it was positioning. (It was obvious something was wrong upon delivery

> when everyone in the room got quiet and I asked, " What's wrong with my

> baby? " ) But after 4 weeks of casting, and finally looking for support

> out here on the web I am now convinced that she definitely has bilateral

> clubfoot. Her feet looked just like those in the pictures on many

> websites I visited. I can't wait for Monday when we have our next

> doctor's visit because I am so much more educated now and I feel

> confident to have a list of questions to force him to answer (he doesn't

> spend much time talking with his patients).

>

> Thanks so much for all of your help. I better get back to holding her.

> That seems to be the only way she is comforted when she has the braces

> on. Does nights and naptimes sound like enough to all of you, after

> having just finished with casting? From my research, I see 23 hours is

> recommended. Hmmm.

>

> So many questions!

>

> Thanks,

>

> Jayme

> Independent Sales Director

> for the Pampered Chef

> fullnelson@s...

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Hi Jayme,

The first doc saw also did the nighttime (didn't even do nap)

with the DBB after 2 months of 23/7 and said to use the shoes the

whole rest of the time --- this is not Ponseti protocol!! I found

this out finally when was 10 months old. We had to go through

the casting, a 2nd tenotomy and FT DBB wear again. Just recently Dr

Herzenberg (whom sees now) included in a tutorial for

a group of doctors and he even mentioned the use of the shoes without

the bar. Said there is NOTHING in the shoes that does anything by

themselves. The treatment is the DBB, not the shoes! With your

mentioning of your doctor saying to use the shoes FT, I would highly

recommend getting a second opinion. There are others on this board

who can probably point you in the right direction to find a Ponseti

qualified doc close to you. I don't have that info with me at the

relatives house (here for the holidays).

Good luck!

Marilouise

9/9/03, LCF, DBB 12-16/24

Owen and 3/20/99

>

> Hi everyone.

>

> I want to thank you for all of your wonderful information. My 2 month

> old Ava hates her DBB, which we just got. We aren't sleeping much, and

> I feel like the meanest mommy in the whole wide world. Her feet slip

> out of them almost every night, and it is frustrating.

>

> I am still trying to pump for her (nursing didn't work well with her- we

> ended up in the hospital for failure to thrive for 6 days when she was

> just 2 weeks old). Between pumping, bottling, bracing, stretching, and

> trying to assure my 4 year-old that I still love her just the same, I am

> drained! It is so nice to hear others are going through similar

> situations.

>

> I'm not sure our DBB is set correctly. No one has looked at it and her

> feet just seem way too close together. Also, the bar clamps onto the

> shoes, and sometimes the shoes fall off the bar. I see there are holes

> in the bottom of the shoes, which should probably be utilized right now

> (from pics I've seen on the web). I have enjoyed reading about the

> Ponseti Method. I guess I have been in denial this whole time since my

> family doctor told me from day 1 that she did not have club foot, but

> the orthopedic disagreed. I felt stuck in the middle, so I just assumed

> it was positioning. (It was obvious something was wrong upon delivery

> when everyone in the room got quiet and I asked, " What's wrong with my

> baby? " ) But after 4 weeks of casting, and finally looking for support

> out here on the web I am now convinced that she definitely has bilateral

> clubfoot. Her feet looked just like those in the pictures on many

> websites I visited. I can't wait for Monday when we have our next

> doctor's visit because I am so much more educated now and I feel

> confident to have a list of questions to force him to answer (he doesn't

> spend much time talking with his patients).

>

> Thanks so much for all of your help. I better get back to holding her.

> That seems to be the only way she is comforted when she has the braces

> on. Does nights and naptimes sound like enough to all of you, after

> having just finished with casting? From my research, I see 23 hours is

> recommended. Hmmm.

>

> So many questions!

>

> Thanks,

>

> Jayme

> Independent Sales Director

> for the Pampered Chef

> fullnelson@s...

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Thanks for your nice words! She had 4 sets of casts, above the knee.

One of them had to be removed the night they put it on. I was home

alone (with my 3 ½ year old) and Ava wouldn’t stop screaming- 8 hours)

I soaked them off and she was fine. We went in the next day for a new

set and she was fine after that.

Then I went in and the doctor said she was fixed and he told me to come

back in a month. He told me she had to wear the bar with shoes at bed

and naps, and left the room. The nurse handed me the bar and sent me to

stride rite to get the shoes. No inspection ever- and I am no expert.

But fortunately it got me looking on-line: everything happens for a

reason! I was just told to go 4 days with the shoes on for 2 hours and

then off for 2 hours, and after that to start with the bar. She kicks

her heels out of the bar, I suspect because her feet aren’t ready for

this device yet from what I am reading.

Her feet don’t look ‘normal’. They look better, but not normal. One is

worse than the other and if I hold her up with her feet below her (like

a standing position) then she stands on the side/top of the one foot.

They move easy enough which is what my orthopedic was referring me to.

When my family doctor referred me to this orthopedic doctor, he warned

me about his abruptness and very little discussion with the patients.

He also said we don’t have a pediatric orthopedic doctor in the area-

this is the closest thing to it. Her feet definitely don’t point out,

they still tuck under.

Thanks for the heart-felt welcome. You should all feel great about

yourselves.

Jayme

Independent Sales Director

for the Pampered Chef

fullnelson@...> fullnelson@...

Re: New to DBB

Jayme,

Good luck with your Dr's appt. Although the no sleeping may not change,

your baby shouldn't hate the DBB. After a few days, it shouldn't be an

issue anymore. Also, you really need to do the 23/7 for the bar. In

the first 3 months, you have to be really dilligent about keeping the

bar on. Otherwise, their feet start to turn back and then putting the

DBB on will be uncomfortable and she will cry. After you get through

the first three months and start cutting hours, it really does get

easier.

Also, I had the same problem with Rose and breastfeeding. The nurses

said she was " practicing " in the womb and she sucked her lower lip. She

just never got the hang of it so I started pumping. When she was just

over a month old, I said enough is enough and switched to formula. My

husband thought I was copping out but let me make the decision. There

are not enough hours in the day to pump and feed separately, especially

if you have another child. I don't want to start a war over

breastfeeding vs bottlefeeding, but there is a lot to be said for

pouring the formula into a bottle and into your baby. I didn't use the

powder stuff, I bought the condensed liquid and really liked it. Rose

did just great on formula. There are those babies that latch on with

very little problem and do really well but there are others that just

dont' have the skills or patience for the breast.

Best of luck,

Robin & Rose

3/12/03

Right club foot

jayme nelson jayme@...> wrote:

Hi everyone.

I want to thank you for all of your wonderful information. My 2 month

old Ava hates her DBB, which we just got. We aren't sleeping much, and

I feel like the meanest mommy in the whole wide world. Her feet slip

out of them almost every night, and it is frustrating.

I am still trying to pump for her (nursing didn't work well with her- we

ended up in the hospital for failure to thrive for 6 days when she was

just 2 weeks old). Between pumping, bottling, bracing, stretching, and

trying to assure my 4 year-old that I still love her just the same, I am

drained! It is so nice to hear others are going through similar

situations.

I'm not sure our DBB is set correctly. No one has looked at it and her

feet just seem way too close together. Also, the bar clamps onto the

shoes, and sometimes the shoes fall off the bar. I see there are holes

in the bottom of the shoes, which should probably be utilized right now

(from pics I've seen on the web). I have enjoyed reading about the

Ponseti Method. I guess I have been in denial this whole time since my

family doctor told me from day 1 that she did not have club foot, but

the orthopedic disagreed. I felt stuck in the middle, so I just assumed

it was positioning. (It was obvious something was wrong upon delivery

when everyone in the room got quiet and I asked, " What's wrong with my

baby? " ) But after 4 weeks of casting, and finally looking for support

out here on the web I am now convinced that she definitely has bilateral

clubfoot. Her feet looked just like those in the pictures on many

websites I visited. I can't wait for Monday when we have our next

doctor's visit because I am so much more educated now and I feel

confident to have a list of questions to force him to answer (he doesn't

spend much time talking with his patients).

Thanks so much for all of your help. I better get back to holding her.

That seems to be the only way she is comforted when she has the braces

on. Does nights and naptimes sound like enough to all of you, after

having just finished with casting? From my research, I see 23 hours is

recommended. Hmmm.

So many questions!

Thanks,

Jayme

Independent Sales Director

for the Pampered Chef

fullnelson@...> fullnelson@...

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If her feet are tucking under and she's standing on the sides/tops she's not

corrected and no shoe in the world is going to help her. The DBB doesn't

correct a foot, it maintains correction as she grows. Also, the four day so of

wearing them off and on, she was losing correction (not that she had much by the

sound of it).....honey just quit this guy and drive up to Iowa City.... you and

your family can stay in the Mc House and if your other kid is in

school, just take her school work with you and do it there. I'm not over

simplifying it, we cn all help you over the hurdles here with the details, OK?

Get your appointment in Iowa, get on the RMD house waiting list (they almost

always have rooms and if not they usually do with in a day or two after yoru

arrival), and rejoice in the comfort of knowing you're in the best hands

possible.

s.

Re: New to DBB

Jayme,

Good luck with your Dr's appt. Although the no sleeping may not change,

your baby shouldn't hate the DBB. After a few days, it shouldn't be an

issue anymore. Also, you really need to do the 23/7 for the bar. In

the first 3 months, you have to be really dilligent about keeping the

bar on. Otherwise, their feet start to turn back and then putting the

DBB on will be uncomfortable and she will cry. After you get through

the first three months and start cutting hours, it really does get

easier.

Also, I had the same problem with Rose and breastfeeding. The nurses

said she was " practicing " in the womb and she sucked her lower lip. She

just never got the hang of it so I started pumping. When she was just

over a month old, I said enough is enough and switched to formula. My

husband thought I was copping out but let me make the decision. There

are not enough hours in the day to pump and feed separately, especially

if you have another child. I don't want to start a war over

breastfeeding vs bottlefeeding, but there is a lot to be said for

pouring the formula into a bottle and into your baby. I didn't use the

powder stuff, I bought the condensed liquid and really liked it. Rose

did just great on formula. There are those babies that latch on with

very little problem and do really well but there are others that just

dont' have the skills or patience for the breast.

Best of luck,

Robin & Rose

3/12/03

Right club foot

jayme nelson jayme@...> wrote:

Hi everyone.

I want to thank you for all of your wonderful information. My 2 month

old Ava hates her DBB, which we just got. We aren't sleeping much, and

I feel like the meanest mommy in the whole wide world. Her feet slip

out of them almost every night, and it is frustrating.

I am still trying to pump for her (nursing didn't work well with her- we

ended up in the hospital for failure to thrive for 6 days when she was

just 2 weeks old). Between pumping, bottling, bracing, stretching, and

trying to assure my 4 year-old that I still love her just the same, I am

drained! It is so nice to hear others are going through similar

situations.

I'm not sure our DBB is set correctly. No one has looked at it and her

feet just seem way too close together. Also, the bar clamps onto the

shoes, and sometimes the shoes fall off the bar. I see there are holes

in the bottom of the shoes, which should probably be utilized right now

(from pics I've seen on the web). I have enjoyed reading about the

Ponseti Method. I guess I have been in denial this whole time since my

family doctor told me from day 1 that she did not have club foot, but

the orthopedic disagreed. I felt stuck in the middle, so I just assumed

it was positioning. (It was obvious something was wrong upon delivery

when everyone in the room got quiet and I asked, " What's wrong with my

baby? " ) But after 4 weeks of casting, and finally looking for support

out here on the web I am now convinced that she definitely has bilateral

clubfoot. Her feet looked just like those in the pictures on many

websites I visited. I can't wait for Monday when we have our next

doctor's visit because I am so much more educated now and I feel

confident to have a list of questions to force him to answer (he doesn't

spend much time talking with his patients).

Thanks so much for all of your help. I better get back to holding her.

That seems to be the only way she is comforted when she has the braces

on. Does nights and naptimes sound like enough to all of you, after

having just finished with casting? From my research, I see 23 hours is

recommended. Hmmm.

So many questions!

Thanks,

Jayme

Independent Sales Director

for the Pampered Chef

fullnelson@...> fullnelson@...

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If her feet are tucking under and she's standing on the sides/tops she's not

corrected and no shoe in the world is going to help her. The DBB doesn't

correct a foot, it maintains correction as she grows. Also, the four day so of

wearing them off and on, she was losing correction (not that she had much by the

sound of it).....honey just quit this guy and drive up to Iowa City.... you and

your family can stay in the Mc House and if your other kid is in

school, just take her school work with you and do it there. I'm not over

simplifying it, we cn all help you over the hurdles here with the details, OK?

Get your appointment in Iowa, get on the RMD house waiting list (they almost

always have rooms and if not they usually do with in a day or two after yoru

arrival), and rejoice in the comfort of knowing you're in the best hands

possible.

s.

Re: New to DBB

Jayme,

Good luck with your Dr's appt. Although the no sleeping may not change,

your baby shouldn't hate the DBB. After a few days, it shouldn't be an

issue anymore. Also, you really need to do the 23/7 for the bar. In

the first 3 months, you have to be really dilligent about keeping the

bar on. Otherwise, their feet start to turn back and then putting the

DBB on will be uncomfortable and she will cry. After you get through

the first three months and start cutting hours, it really does get

easier.

Also, I had the same problem with Rose and breastfeeding. The nurses

said she was " practicing " in the womb and she sucked her lower lip. She

just never got the hang of it so I started pumping. When she was just

over a month old, I said enough is enough and switched to formula. My

husband thought I was copping out but let me make the decision. There

are not enough hours in the day to pump and feed separately, especially

if you have another child. I don't want to start a war over

breastfeeding vs bottlefeeding, but there is a lot to be said for

pouring the formula into a bottle and into your baby. I didn't use the

powder stuff, I bought the condensed liquid and really liked it. Rose

did just great on formula. There are those babies that latch on with

very little problem and do really well but there are others that just

dont' have the skills or patience for the breast.

Best of luck,

Robin & Rose

3/12/03

Right club foot

jayme nelson jayme@...> wrote:

Hi everyone.

I want to thank you for all of your wonderful information. My 2 month

old Ava hates her DBB, which we just got. We aren't sleeping much, and

I feel like the meanest mommy in the whole wide world. Her feet slip

out of them almost every night, and it is frustrating.

I am still trying to pump for her (nursing didn't work well with her- we

ended up in the hospital for failure to thrive for 6 days when she was

just 2 weeks old). Between pumping, bottling, bracing, stretching, and

trying to assure my 4 year-old that I still love her just the same, I am

drained! It is so nice to hear others are going through similar

situations.

I'm not sure our DBB is set correctly. No one has looked at it and her

feet just seem way too close together. Also, the bar clamps onto the

shoes, and sometimes the shoes fall off the bar. I see there are holes

in the bottom of the shoes, which should probably be utilized right now

(from pics I've seen on the web). I have enjoyed reading about the

Ponseti Method. I guess I have been in denial this whole time since my

family doctor told me from day 1 that she did not have club foot, but

the orthopedic disagreed. I felt stuck in the middle, so I just assumed

it was positioning. (It was obvious something was wrong upon delivery

when everyone in the room got quiet and I asked, " What's wrong with my

baby? " ) But after 4 weeks of casting, and finally looking for support

out here on the web I am now convinced that she definitely has bilateral

clubfoot. Her feet looked just like those in the pictures on many

websites I visited. I can't wait for Monday when we have our next

doctor's visit because I am so much more educated now and I feel

confident to have a list of questions to force him to answer (he doesn't

spend much time talking with his patients).

Thanks so much for all of your help. I better get back to holding her.

That seems to be the only way she is comforted when she has the braces

on. Does nights and naptimes sound like enough to all of you, after

having just finished with casting? From my research, I see 23 hours is

recommended. Hmmm.

So many questions!

Thanks,

Jayme

Independent Sales Director

for the Pampered Chef

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Thanks! I will call Dr. P first thing in the morning. Thanks for your

wonderful advice!

I took Ava out of shoes and brace and I will wait for the EXPERTISE of a

Ponseti doctor, perhaps Ponseti himself. :-) Does anyone know how

insurance works? Do I need a referral from my family doctor?

I have been printing all of your emails to show him if necessary. I

know we aren’t medically trained, but I guarantee most of you mothers

out there have more knowledge of the Ponseti method than most Orthopedic

doctors out there ‘practicing’ it!

I can’t say it enough: I am so thankful for you all! I am so glad we

had so much pain with this bar—Not glad that my baby was in pain, but

glad that it got me to do some research myself. I wish I would’ve done

it sooner, but I’m glad she still quite young (2 ½ months).

Thank you for making a difference!

Jayme

Independent Sales Director

for the Pampered Chef

fullnelson@...> fullnelson@...

Re: New to DBB

If her feet are tucking under and she's standing on the sides/tops she's

not corrected and no shoe in the world is going to help her. The DBB

doesn't correct a foot, it maintains correction as she grows. Also, the

four day so of wearing them off and on, she was losing correction (not

that she had much by the sound of it).....honey just quit this guy and

drive up to Iowa City.... you and your family can stay in the

Mc House and if your other kid is in school, just take her school

work with you and do it there. I'm not over simplifying it, we cn all

help you over the hurdles here with the details, OK? Get your

appointment in Iowa, get on the RMD house waiting list (they almost

always have rooms and if not they usually do with in a day or two after

yoru arrival), and rejoice in the comfort of knowing you're in the best

hands possible.

s.

Re: New to DBB

Jayme,

Good luck with your Dr's appt. Although the no sleeping may not change,

your baby shouldn't hate the DBB. After a few days, it shouldn't be an

issue anymore. Also, you really need to do the 23/7 for the bar. In

the first 3 months, you have to be really dilligent about keeping the

bar on. Otherwise, their feet start to turn back and then putting the

DBB on will be uncomfortable and she will cry. After you get through

the first three months and start cutting hours, it really does get

easier.

Also, I had the same problem with Rose and breastfeeding. The nurses

said she was " practicing " in the womb and she sucked her lower lip. She

just never got the hang of it so I started pumping. When she was just

over a month old, I said enough is enough and switched to formula. My

husband thought I was copping out but let me make the decision. There

are not enough hours in the day to pump and feed separately, especially

if you have another child. I don't want to start a war over

breastfeeding vs bottlefeeding, but there is a lot to be said for

pouring the formula into a bottle and into your baby. I didn't use the

powder stuff, I bought the condensed liquid and really liked it. Rose

did just great on formula. There are those babies that latch on with

very little problem and do really well but there are others that just

dont' have the skills or patience for the breast.

Best of luck,

Robin & Rose

3/12/03

Right club foot

jayme nelson jayme@...> wrote:

Hi everyone.

I want to thank you for all of your wonderful information. My 2 month

old Ava hates her DBB, which we just got. We aren't sleeping much, and

I feel like the meanest mommy in the whole wide world. Her feet slip

out of them almost every night, and it is frustrating.

I am still trying to pump for her (nursing didn't work well with her- we

ended up in the hospital for failure to thrive for 6 days when she was

just 2 weeks old). Between pumping, bottling, bracing, stretching, and

trying to assure my 4 year-old that I still love her just the same, I am

drained! It is so nice to hear others are going through similar

situations.

I'm not sure our DBB is set correctly. No one has looked at it and her

feet just seem way too close together. Also, the bar clamps onto the

shoes, and sometimes the shoes fall off the bar. I see there are holes

in the bottom of the shoes, which should probably be utilized right now

(from pics I've seen on the web). I have enjoyed reading about the

Ponseti Method. I guess I have been in denial this whole time since my

family doctor told me from day 1 that she did not have club foot, but

the orthopedic disagreed. I felt stuck in the middle, so I just assumed

it was positioning. (It was obvious something was wrong upon delivery

when everyone in the room got quiet and I asked, " What's wrong with my

baby? " ) But after 4 weeks of casting, and finally looking for support

out here on the web I am now convinced that she definitely has bilateral

clubfoot. Her feet looked just like those in the pictures on many

websites I visited. I can't wait for Monday when we have our next

doctor's visit because I am so much more educated now and I feel

confident to have a list of questions to force him to answer (he doesn't

spend much time talking with his patients).

Thanks so much for all of your help. I better get back to holding her.

That seems to be the only way she is comforted when she has the braces

on. Does nights and naptimes sound like enough to all of you, after

having just finished with casting? From my research, I see 23 hours is

recommended. Hmmm.

So many questions!

Thanks,

Jayme

Independent Sales Director

for the Pampered Chef

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Hi Jayme,

Good for you!! You are going to be so happy you made this decision!

You are right, Ava is still so young and she will be out of the casts

(done correctly with the Ponseti method) and into her brace before

you know it!

There have been some threads recently regarding insurance, you can do

a search at the top of the page if you would like.

Be sure to let us know what Dr. Ponseti says when you call on Monday!

I am very happy for you and your little girl, you will have this all

sorted out in no time!!

& Grace :o)

>

> Hi everyone.

>

> I want to thank you for all of your wonderful information. My 2

month

> old Ava hates her DBB, which we just got. We aren't sleeping much,

and

> I feel like the meanest mommy in the whole wide world. Her feet

slip

> out of them almost every night, and it is frustrating.

>

> I am still trying to pump for her (nursing didn't work well with

her- we

> ended up in the hospital for failure to thrive for 6 days when she

was

> just 2 weeks old). Between pumping, bottling, bracing, stretching,

and

> trying to assure my 4 year-old that I still love her just the same,

I am

> drained! It is so nice to hear others are going through similar

> situations.

>

> I'm not sure our DBB is set correctly. No one has looked at it and

her

> feet just seem way too close together. Also, the bar clamps onto

the

> shoes, and sometimes the shoes fall off the bar. I see there are

holes

> in the bottom of the shoes, which should probably be utilized right

now

> (from pics I've seen on the web). I have enjoyed reading about the

> Ponseti Method. I guess I have been in denial this whole time

since my

> family doctor told me from day 1 that she did not have club foot,

but

> the orthopedic disagreed. I felt stuck in the middle, so I just

assumed

> it was positioning. (It was obvious something was wrong upon

delivery

> when everyone in the room got quiet and I asked, " What's wrong with

my

> baby? " ) But after 4 weeks of casting, and finally looking for

support

> out here on the web I am now convinced that she definitely has

bilateral

> clubfoot. Her feet looked just like those in the pictures on many

> websites I visited. I can't wait for Monday when we have our next

> doctor's visit because I am so much more educated now and I feel

> confident to have a list of questions to force him to answer (he

doesn't

> spend much time talking with his patients).

>

> Thanks so much for all of your help. I better get back to holding

her.

> That seems to be the only way she is comforted when she has the

braces

> on. Does nights and naptimes sound like enough to all of you, after

> having just finished with casting? From my research, I see 23

hours is

> recommended. Hmmm.

>

> So many questions!

>

> Thanks,

>

> Jayme

> Independent Sales Director

> for the Pampered Chef

> fullnelson@s...

>

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Jayme,

All insurances treat these things differently so you will need to check

with your specific insurance carrier. Some have specific guidelines for

referrals and network physicians etc. Check you policy information and

call to confirm benefits with your company. Be sure to keep track of who

you speak to and what they tell you. This could be valuable later if

they try to deny converage. It is always best to check you policy and

check what it says in writing because that will always win out over what

you are told on the phone. Good luck.

Jenni

jayme nelson wrote:

>Thanks! I will call Dr. P first thing in the morning. Thanks for your

>wonderful advice!

>

>I took Ava out of shoes and brace and I will wait for the EXPERTISE of a

>Ponseti doctor, perhaps Ponseti himself. :-) Does anyone know how

>insurance works? Do I need a referral from my family doctor?

>

>I have been printing all of your emails to show him if necessary. I

>know we aren’t medically trained, but I guarantee most of you mothers

>out there have more knowledge of the Ponseti method than most Orthopedic

>doctors out there ‘practicing’ it!

>

>I can’t say it enough: I am so thankful for you all! I am so glad we

>had so much pain with this bar—Not glad that my baby was in pain, but

>glad that it got me to do some research myself. I wish I would’ve done

>it sooner, but I’m glad she still quite young (2 ½ months).

>

>Thank you for making a difference!

>

>Jayme

>Independent Sales Director

>for the Pampered Chef

> fullnelson@...> fullnelson@...

>

>

>

>

> Re: New to DBB

>

>If her feet are tucking under and she's standing on the sides/tops she's

>not corrected and no shoe in the world is going to help her. The DBB

>doesn't correct a foot, it maintains correction as she grows. Also, the

>four day so of wearing them off and on, she was losing correction (not

>that she had much by the sound of it).....honey just quit this guy and

>drive up to Iowa City.... you and your family can stay in the

>Mc House and if your other kid is in school, just take her school

>work with you and do it there. I'm not over simplifying it, we cn all

>help you over the hurdles here with the details, OK? Get your

>appointment in Iowa, get on the RMD house waiting list (they almost

>always have rooms and if not they usually do with in a day or two after

>yoru arrival), and rejoice in the comfort of knowing you're in the best

>hands possible.

>s.

>

> Re: New to DBB

>

>Jayme,

>

>Good luck with your Dr's appt. Although the no sleeping may not change,

>your baby shouldn't hate the DBB. After a few days, it shouldn't be an

>issue anymore. Also, you really need to do the 23/7 for the bar. In

>the first 3 months, you have to be really dilligent about keeping the

>bar on. Otherwise, their feet start to turn back and then putting the

>DBB on will be uncomfortable and she will cry. After you get through

>the first three months and start cutting hours, it really does get

>easier.

>

>Also, I had the same problem with Rose and breastfeeding. The nurses

>said she was " practicing " in the womb and she sucked her lower lip. She

>just never got the hang of it so I started pumping. When she was just

>over a month old, I said enough is enough and switched to formula. My

>husband thought I was copping out but let me make the decision. There

>are not enough hours in the day to pump and feed separately, especially

>if you have another child. I don't want to start a war over

>breastfeeding vs bottlefeeding, but there is a lot to be said for

>pouring the formula into a bottle and into your baby. I didn't use the

>powder stuff, I bought the condensed liquid and really liked it. Rose

>did just great on formula. There are those babies that latch on with

>very little problem and do really well but there are others that just

>dont' have the skills or patience for the breast.

>

>Best of luck,

>

>Robin & Rose

>3/12/03

>Right club foot

>

>jayme nelson jayme@...> wrote:

>

>Hi everyone.

>

>I want to thank you for all of your wonderful information. My 2 month

>old Ava hates her DBB, which we just got. We aren't sleeping much, and

>I feel like the meanest mommy in the whole wide world. Her feet slip

>out of them almost every night, and it is frustrating.

>

>I am still trying to pump for her (nursing didn't work well with her- we

>ended up in the hospital for failure to thrive for 6 days when she was

>just 2 weeks old). Between pumping, bottling, bracing, stretching, and

>trying to assure my 4 year-old that I still love her just the same, I am

>drained! It is so nice to hear others are going through similar

>situations.

>

>I'm not sure our DBB is set correctly. No one has looked at it and her

>feet just seem way too close together. Also, the bar clamps onto the

>shoes, and sometimes the shoes fall off the bar. I see there are holes

>in the bottom of the shoes, which should probably be utilized right now

>(from pics I've seen on the web). I have enjoyed reading about the

>Ponseti Method. I guess I have been in denial this whole time since my

>family doctor told me from day 1 that she did not have club foot, but

>the orthopedic disagreed. I felt stuck in the middle, so I just assumed

>it was positioning. (It was obvious something was wrong upon delivery

>when everyone in the room got quiet and I asked, " What's wrong with my

>baby? " ) But after 4 weeks of casting, and finally looking for support

>out here on the web I am now convinced that she definitely has bilateral

>clubfoot. Her feet looked just like those in the pictures on many

>websites I visited. I can't wait for Monday when we have our next

>doctor's visit because I am so much more educated now and I feel

>confident to have a list of questions to force him to answer (he doesn't

>spend much time talking with his patients).

>

>Thanks so much for all of your help. I better get back to holding her.

>That seems to be the only way she is comforted when she has the braces

>on. Does nights and naptimes sound like enough to all of you, after

>having just finished with casting? From my research, I see 23 hours is

>recommended. Hmmm.

>

>So many questions!

>

>Thanks,

>

>Jayme

>Independent Sales Director

>for the Pampered Chef

>fullnelson@...> fullnelson@...

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Hi Jayme,

Welcome to the group! You are right to feel that something is not

right and the fact that her feet cannot be flat on the floor

indicates she does have clubfeet. I am glad you are fairly close

to Dr. Ponseti. I look forward to hearing about your discussion with

his office. You have done well by going with your gut!! You are on

the right track and hope we can help put your mind at ease!

Louisa

6-27-99

Zoe 2-22-04 RCF FAB 16/7

>

> Hi everyone.

>

> I want to thank you for all of your wonderful information. My 2

month

> old Ava hates her DBB, which we just got. We aren't sleeping much,

and

> I feel like the meanest mommy in the whole wide world. Her feet

slip

> out of them almost every night, and it is frustrating.

>

> I am still trying to pump for her (nursing didn't work well with

her- we

> ended up in the hospital for failure to thrive for 6 days when she

was

> just 2 weeks old). Between pumping, bottling, bracing, stretching,

and

> trying to assure my 4 year-old that I still love her just the same,

I am

> drained! It is so nice to hear others are going through similar

> situations.

>

> I'm not sure our DBB is set correctly. No one has looked at it and

her

> feet just seem way too close together. Also, the bar clamps onto

the

> shoes, and sometimes the shoes fall off the bar. I see there are

holes

> in the bottom of the shoes, which should probably be utilized right

now

> (from pics I've seen on the web). I have enjoyed reading about the

> Ponseti Method. I guess I have been in denial this whole time

since my

> family doctor told me from day 1 that she did not have club foot,

but

> the orthopedic disagreed. I felt stuck in the middle, so I just

assumed

> it was positioning. (It was obvious something was wrong upon

delivery

> when everyone in the room got quiet and I asked, " What's wrong with

my

> baby? " ) But after 4 weeks of casting, and finally looking for

support

> out here on the web I am now convinced that she definitely has

bilateral

> clubfoot. Her feet looked just like those in the pictures on many

> websites I visited. I can't wait for Monday when we have our next

> doctor's visit because I am so much more educated now and I feel

> confident to have a list of questions to force him to answer (he

doesn't

> spend much time talking with his patients).

>

> Thanks so much for all of your help. I better get back to holding

her.

> That seems to be the only way she is comforted when she has the

braces

> on. Does nights and naptimes sound like enough to all of you, after

> having just finished with casting? From my research, I see 23

hours is

> recommended. Hmmm.

>

> So many questions!

>

> Thanks,

>

> Jayme

> Independent Sales Director

> for the Pampered Chef

> fullnelson@s...

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Hi Jayme!

Okay, so now that makes THREE Ava's on this board with club feet!!!

I'm starting to think we should spread the message not to name your

child Ava! But it's such a darn cute name!!!

Anyway, I was thinking that a 2 month old would probably only have a

6 inch bar. And if both feet are set at 70 degrees external

rotation, then the heels would really only be about 3 inches or so

apart. Don't you measure the width of the bar from the bolts?

It really seems like there are plenty of other issues with Ava's

treatment to justify a trip to Dr. P. though! Somebody let me know

if I'm right please!!! :-)

, Mommy of:

Guinevere, on, and ANOTHER AVA!! 8/4/04 right CF DBB 23/7 (7

whole days & counting!!!)

> > jayme nelson wrote:

> > Her heels are 3 inches apart in the brace. Her shoulders are

> farther

> > than that! I am afraid her little legs are going to break, or

her

> hips

> > will be injured. Should I just leave her out of the bar until

> Monday?

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Dr. Ponseti instructed me with the shoes that I measure from the center

of the heel, not the external distance between heels.

s.

Hi Jayme!

Okay, so now that makes THREE Ava's on this board with club feet!!!

I'm starting to think we should spread the message not to name your

child Ava! But it's such a darn cute name!!!

Anyway, I was thinking that a 2 month old would probably only have a

6 inch bar. And if both feet are set at 70 degrees external

rotation, then the heels would really only be about 3 inches or so

apart. Don't you measure the width of the bar from the bolts?

It really seems like there are plenty of other issues with Ava's

treatment to justify a trip to Dr. P. though! Somebody let me know

if I'm right please!!! :-)

, Mommy of:

Guinevere, on, and ANOTHER AVA!! 8/4/04 right CF DBB 23/7 (7

whole days & counting!!!)

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I don't have the s, I have the Markells. Does anybody know

where you're supposed to measure on them?

> Dr. Ponseti instructed me with the shoes that I measure

from the center of the heel, not the external distance between heels.

> s.

>

> Hi Jayme!

> Okay, so now that makes THREE Ava's on this board with club

feet!!!

> I'm starting to think we should spread the message not to name

your

> child Ava! But it's such a darn cute name!!!

> Anyway, I was thinking that a 2 month old would probably only have

a

> 6 inch bar. And if both feet are set at 70 degrees external

> rotation, then the heels would really only be about 3 inches or so

> apart. Don't you measure the width of the bar from the bolts?

> It really seems like there are plenty of other issues with Ava's

> treatment to justify a trip to Dr. P. though! Somebody let me know

> if I'm right please!!! :-)

> , Mommy of:

> Guinevere, on, and ANOTHER AVA!! 8/4/04 right CF DBB 23/7 (7

> whole days & counting!!!)

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