Guest guest Posted November 8, 2004 Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 Speaking of Aidan....how is he doing? Gaining weight and growing fast right? Mommy to (12-17-98) and Christian (1-30-04) LCF - DBB 23/7 _____ From: Hundley Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 3:08 PM To: nosurgery4clubfoot Subject: Re: Are all CF kids poor sleepers? Lori, I'm not sure one has to do with the other, but Aidan too likes to be held (alot) and rocked to sleep. We were also given the same advice. Rock them right up until he is dozing off then put him in his bed. Let him cry it out until he falls asleep. I know easier said then done. I've only let Aidan cry himself to sleep once and it was awful. You feel like he's been through enough already. Speaking of the devil, I've just rocked him to sleep and as soon as I lay him down he's screaming his head off. Oh well, off to the rescue. I just keep telling myself, this too shall pass! :-) wbb_lr lori.webb@...> wrote: Hi there, We are new to the group. My son Weston is 7 weeks old and just received his 5th and final cast this week. He is due to get his DBB this Thursday. My question is... Are all infants going through this as poor a sleeper as Weston? He has to be rocked to sleep for about an hour every time he goes down and seems to fight sleep. He is a very light sleeper and can be up for 6 hours at a time. Are any of you parents going through this? Our orthopedic doctor told me Weston has me " trained " and I need to let him cry it out. I just can't do it.. especially since I believe his foot (unilateral) is uncomfortable. Any insight would be helpful. Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 He's doing really well. He's almost 9lbs & 20 inches. Had I been term he probably would have been a good size baby, my due date was just Oct. 23rd. We may be getting the tenotomy this Friday! I'm preparing myself for a long night! I thought this was interesting. His doctor wrote the pain management program for the Children's hospital in Austin. He believes it's less painful to do the tenotomy without a local vs giving a local. Says the local is generally more painful then just going in and quickly doing the tenotomy. Not sure, we'll probably go ahead and do the local but I hadn't heard that. Gerace cgerace@...> wrote: Speaking of Aidan....how is he doing? Gaining weight and growing fast right? Mommy to (12-17-98) and Christian (1-30-04) LCF - DBB 23/7 _____ From: Hundley Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 3:08 PM To: nosurgery4clubfoot Subject: Re: Are all CF kids poor sleepers? Lori, I'm not sure one has to do with the other, but Aidan too likes to be held (alot) and rocked to sleep. We were also given the same advice. Rock them right up until he is dozing off then put him in his bed. Let him cry it out until he falls asleep. I know easier said then done. I've only let Aidan cry himself to sleep once and it was awful. You feel like he's been through enough already. Speaking of the devil, I've just rocked him to sleep and as soon as I lay him down he's screaming his head off. Oh well, off to the rescue. I just keep telling myself, this too shall pass! :-) wbb_lr lori.webb@...> wrote: Hi there, We are new to the group. My son Weston is 7 weeks old and just received his 5th and final cast this week. He is due to get his DBB this Thursday. My question is... Are all infants going through this as poor a sleeper as Weston? He has to be rocked to sleep for about an hour every time he goes down and seems to fight sleep. He is a very light sleeper and can be up for 6 hours at a time. Are any of you parents going through this? Our orthopedic doctor told me Weston has me " trained " and I need to let him cry it out. I just can't do it.. especially since I believe his foot (unilateral) is uncomfortable. Any insight would be helpful. Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 That is wonderful news. I have a question about the tenotomy though. He doesn't want to give Aidan a local anesthetic? That is how I read it.I could be very confused.you know me.lol Is that what he is saying??? Mommy to (12-17-98) and Christian (1-30-04) LCF - DBB 23/7 _____ From: Hundley Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 10:28 AM To: nosurgery4clubfoot Subject: RE: Hundley He's doing really well. He's almost 9lbs & 20 inches. Had I been term he probably would have been a good size baby, my due date was just Oct. 23rd. We may be getting the tenotomy this Friday! I'm preparing myself for a long night! I thought this was interesting. His doctor wrote the pain management program for the Children's hospital in Austin. He believes it's less painful to do the tenotomy without a local vs giving a local. Says the local is generally more painful then just going in and quickly doing the tenotomy. Not sure, we'll probably go ahead and do the local but I hadn't heard that. Gerace cgerace@...> wrote: Speaking of Aidan....how is he doing? Gaining weight and growing fast right? Mommy to (12-17-98) and Christian (1-30-04) LCF - DBB 23/7 _____ From: Hundley Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 3:08 PM To: nosurgery4clubfoot Subject: Re: Are all CF kids poor sleepers? Lori, I'm not sure one has to do with the other, but Aidan too likes to be held (alot) and rocked to sleep. We were also given the same advice. Rock them right up until he is dozing off then put him in his bed. Let him cry it out until he falls asleep. I know easier said then done. I've only let Aidan cry himself to sleep once and it was awful. You feel like he's been through enough already. Speaking of the devil, I've just rocked him to sleep and as soon as I lay him down he's screaming his head off. Oh well, off to the rescue. I just keep telling myself, this too shall pass! :-) wbb_lr lori.webb@...> wrote: Hi there, We are new to the group. My son Weston is 7 weeks old and just received his 5th and final cast this week. He is due to get his DBB this Thursday. My question is... Are all infants going through this as poor a sleeper as Weston? He has to be rocked to sleep for about an hour every time he goes down and seems to fight sleep. He is a very light sleeper and can be up for 6 hours at a time. Are any of you parents going through this? Our orthopedic doctor told me Weston has me " trained " and I need to let him cry it out. I just can't do it.. especially since I believe his foot (unilateral) is uncomfortable. Any insight would be helpful. Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 ouch! That sounds really weird to me... kinda like the babies don't feel pain thing when it comes to circumcision (an old school thing they used to tell moms). Glad to hear he's doing so well! Give him a kiss for me! Kori At 07:27 AM 11/9/2004, you wrote: >He's doing really well. He's almost 9lbs & 20 inches. Had I been term he >probably would have been a good size baby, my due date was just Oct. >23rd. We may be getting the tenotomy this Friday! I'm preparing myself >for a long night! > >I thought this was interesting. His doctor wrote the pain management >program for the Children's hospital in Austin. He believes it's less >painful to do the tenotomy without a local vs giving a local. Says the >local is generally more painful then just going in and quickly doing the >tenotomy. Not sure, we'll probably go ahead and do the local but I hadn't >heard that. > > Gerace cgerace@...> wrote: >Speaking of Aidan....how is he doing? Gaining weight and growing fast >right? > > > > > >Mommy to (12-17-98) and > >Christian (1-30-04) LCF - DBB 23/7 > > _____ > >From: Hundley >Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 3:08 PM >To: nosurgery4clubfoot >Subject: Re: Are all CF kids poor sleepers? > > > >Lori, I'm not sure one has to do with the other, but Aidan too likes to be >held (alot) and rocked to sleep. We were also given the same advice. Rock >them right up until he is dozing off then put him in his bed. Let him cry >it out until he falls asleep. I know easier said then done. I've only let >Aidan cry himself to sleep once and it was awful. You feel like he's been >through enough already. > >Speaking of the devil, I've just rocked him to sleep and as soon as I lay >him down he's screaming his head off. Oh well, off to the rescue. > >I just keep telling myself, this too shall pass! :-) > >wbb_lr lori.webb@...> wrote: > > >Hi there, >We are new to the group. My son Weston is 7 weeks old and just >received his 5th and final cast this week. He is due to get his DBB >this Thursday. My question is... Are all infants going through this >as poor a sleeper as Weston? He has to be rocked to sleep for about >an hour every time he goes down and seems to fight sleep. He is a >very light sleeper and can be up for 6 hours at a time. Are any of >you parents going through this? Our orthopedic doctor told me >Weston has me " trained " and I need to let him cry it out. I just >can't do it.. especially since I believe his foot (unilateral) is >uncomfortable. Any insight would be helpful. Thank you! > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 My doc mentioned a study before we got Livi's tenotomy that says the longer the EMLA (is that what it's called )cream is allowed to absorb, the deeper the numbing effect penetrates. I think the peak time was 2 hours if I remember correctly. I think the old rule was that it was good after 1/2 hour. Maybe you already know about this, but if not, here you go!! Good luck! Darby Livi bi cf dbb 16/7 EDD #2 5/12/05 > > > > > >Hi there, > >We are new to the group. My son Weston is 7 weeks old and just > >received his 5th and final cast this week. He is due to get his DBB > >this Thursday. My question is... Are all infants going through this > >as poor a sleeper as Weston? He has to be rocked to sleep for about > >an hour every time he goes down and seems to fight sleep. He is a > >very light sleeper and can be up for 6 hours at a time. Are any of > >you parents going through this? Our orthopedic doctor told me > >Weston has me " trained " and I need to let him cry it out. I just > >can't do it.. especially since I believe his foot (unilateral) is > >uncomfortable. Any insight would be helpful. Thank you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 Kori, when Aidan had his circ. they actually gave him a sugar high right before. Apparently this release good endorphins which almost overrides the pain endorphins. I asked him about this and he said old wives tale as well. Said they also used to soak pacifiers in Amaretto and let the baby suck on it so they're a little woozy. I think I'm the one that needs the shot of Amaretto!! I'm taking an extra pacifier!!!!!! frogabog frogabog@...> wrote:ouch! That sounds really weird to me... kinda like the babies don't feel pain thing when it comes to circumcision (an old school thing they used to tell moms). Glad to hear he's doing so well! Give him a kiss for me! Kori At 07:27 AM 11/9/2004, you wrote: >He's doing really well. He's almost 9lbs & 20 inches. Had I been term he >probably would have been a good size baby, my due date was just Oct. >23rd. We may be getting the tenotomy this Friday! I'm preparing myself >for a long night! > >I thought this was interesting. His doctor wrote the pain management >program for the Children's hospital in Austin. He believes it's less >painful to do the tenotomy without a local vs giving a local. Says the >local is generally more painful then just going in and quickly doing the >tenotomy. Not sure, we'll probably go ahead and do the local but I hadn't >heard that. > > Gerace cgerace@...> wrote: >Speaking of Aidan....how is he doing? Gaining weight and growing fast >right? > > > > > >Mommy to (12-17-98) and > >Christian (1-30-04) LCF - DBB 23/7 > > _____ > >From: Hundley >Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 3:08 PM >To: nosurgery4clubfoot >Subject: Re: Are all CF kids poor sleepers? > > > >Lori, I'm not sure one has to do with the other, but Aidan too likes to be >held (alot) and rocked to sleep. We were also given the same advice. Rock >them right up until he is dozing off then put him in his bed. Let him cry >it out until he falls asleep. I know easier said then done. I've only let >Aidan cry himself to sleep once and it was awful. You feel like he's been >through enough already. > >Speaking of the devil, I've just rocked him to sleep and as soon as I lay >him down he's screaming his head off. Oh well, off to the rescue. > >I just keep telling myself, this too shall pass! :-) > >wbb_lr lori.webb@...> wrote: > > >Hi there, >We are new to the group. My son Weston is 7 weeks old and just >received his 5th and final cast this week. He is due to get his DBB >this Thursday. My question is... Are all infants going through this >as poor a sleeper as Weston? He has to be rocked to sleep for about >an hour every time he goes down and seems to fight sleep. He is a >very light sleeper and can be up for 6 hours at a time. Are any of >you parents going through this? Our orthopedic doctor told me >Weston has me " trained " and I need to let him cry it out. I just >can't do it.. especially since I believe his foot (unilateral) is >uncomfortable. Any insight would be helpful. Thank you! > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 He said the numbing cream doesn't go deep enought to numb the actual area. They have to give a shot (needle) which feels the same as just doing the tenotomy. Who knows. Man, if God would have given me a heads up I would have just become an orthopedic surgeon so I could just take care of all our babies. Darby dabrennan@...> wrote: My doc mentioned a study before we got Livi's tenotomy that says the longer the EMLA (is that what it's called )cream is allowed to absorb, the deeper the numbing effect penetrates. I think the peak time was 2 hours if I remember correctly. I think the old rule was that it was good after 1/2 hour. Maybe you already know about this, but if not, here you go!! Good luck! Darby Livi bi cf dbb 16/7 EDD #2 5/12/05 > > > > > >Hi there, > >We are new to the group. My son Weston is 7 weeks old and just > >received his 5th and final cast this week. He is due to get his DBB > >this Thursday. My question is... Are all infants going through this > >as poor a sleeper as Weston? He has to be rocked to sleep for about > >an hour every time he goes down and seems to fight sleep. He is a > >very light sleeper and can be up for 6 hours at a time. Are any of > >you parents going through this? Our orthopedic doctor told me > >Weston has me " trained " and I need to let him cry it out. I just > >can't do it.. especially since I believe his foot (unilateral) is > >uncomfortable. Any insight would be helpful. Thank you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 ummmm.... can't they use the Emla cream and then use the local? That's what they did with my son when he sliced his face and needed stitches. They let the cream sit and then injected the anesthetic. He never flinched. With all the discussion lately about how kids move so much during the tenotomy I wouldn't even THINK about allowing this done without anesthetic. Isn't pain going to make him move his foot some when it should be still so the doc can perform the surgery properly? What is the problem with anesthetic anyway? Those injections hurt a little, but don't tell me cutting that tendon hurts less or the same. I can tell you that when I think about anyone messing with my Achilles tendon I shudder with the thought of no anesthetic. Additionally, since little pain medication is given for immediately following the tenotomy and baby is expected to just *live* with whatever pain he might have wouldn't a few hours having that area completely numb be a good thing? I've had surgery multiple times, and I honestly don't understand why we think these little ones can handle pain when we are given narcotics in large quantities for lesser surgeries. quite honestly... how does this doc know that the injection feels the same as the tenotomy? How many infants has he gotten a valid response from on this? " Hello, 6w old baby... can you tell me which foot has more pain? The one I just chopped into without anesthetic or the one I numbed a little? ... Well, you cried some more on the second one and since that was the one I numbed apparently that one hurt more... it couldn't possibly be that you had pain on the first one and then I injected you with the anesthetic and you cried louder because you're a BABY and that's all you CAN DO! " hummmm.... How many babies has he done without the anesthetic and what exactly was the responses? Has he published any studies on this or can you read his notes? This all seems really fishy to me, and I'd not be happy having to argue this with the doc. I feel for you. Kori feeling a little snarky today apparently.... At 09:42 AM 11/11/2004, you wrote: >He said the numbing cream doesn't go deep enought to numb the actual >area. They have to give a shot (needle) which feels the same as just >doing the tenotomy. Who knows. Man, if God would have given me a heads >up I would have just become an orthopedic surgeon so I could just take >care of all our babies. > >Darby dabrennan@...> wrote: >My doc mentioned a study before we got Livi's tenotomy that says the >longer the EMLA (is that what it's called )cream is allowed to >absorb, the deeper the numbing effect penetrates. I think the peak >time was 2 hours if I remember correctly. I think the old rule was >that it was good after 1/2 hour. > >Maybe you already know about this, but if not, here you go!! > >Good luck! >Darby >Livi bi cf dbb 16/7 >EDD #2 5/12/05 > > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi there, > > >We are new to the group. My son Weston is 7 weeks old and just > > >received his 5th and final cast this week. He is due to get his >DBB > > >this Thursday. My question is... Are all infants going through >this > > >as poor a sleeper as Weston? He has to be rocked to sleep for >about > > >an hour every time he goes down and seems to fight sleep. He is a > > >very light sleeper and can be up for 6 hours at a time. Are any of > > >you parents going through this? Our orthopedic doctor told me > > >Weston has me " trained " and I need to let him cry it out. I just > > >can't do it.. especially since I believe his foot (unilateral) is > > >uncomfortable. Any insight would be helpful. Thank you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 The last time that my brother had stitches they did not give him any novicaine. He only needed 2 stitches and they would have had to stick him twice as much to do the novicaine. So they did it without. He said it was not as bad. I can't image not have them numb the area before cutting into me. My son was put under and they used the local for added benefits from when he woke up. He was also give tylenol rectally before the procedure. I probably would not have them do it awake with out something to numb the area. My sister had laser hair removal and they gave her a numbing cream to apply 45 minutes before her appointment. Maybe they can give you this EMLA cream to apply at home before the appointment. Hundley jenhundley@...> wrote: He said the numbing cream doesn't go deep enought to numb the actual area. They have to give a shot (needle) which feels the same as just doing the tenotomy. Who knows. Man, if God would have given me a heads up I would have just become an orthopedic surgeon so I could just take care of all our babies. Darby dabrennan@...> wrote: My doc mentioned a study before we got Livi's tenotomy that says the longer the EMLA (is that what it's called )cream is allowed to absorb, the deeper the numbing effect penetrates. I think the peak time was 2 hours if I remember correctly. I think the old rule was that it was good after 1/2 hour. Maybe you already know about this, but if not, here you go!! Good luck! Darby Livi bi cf dbb 16/7 EDD #2 5/12/05 > > > > > >Hi there, > >We are new to the group. My son Weston is 7 weeks old and just > >received his 5th and final cast this week. He is due to get his DBB > >this Thursday. My question is... Are all infants going through this > >as poor a sleeper as Weston? He has to be rocked to sleep for about > >an hour every time he goes down and seems to fight sleep. He is a > >very light sleeper and can be up for 6 hours at a time. Are any of > >you parents going through this? Our orthopedic doctor told me > >Weston has me " trained " and I need to let him cry it out. I just > >can't do it.. especially since I believe his foot (unilateral) is > >uncomfortable. Any insight would be helpful. Thank you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 At 08:58 AM 11/11/2004, you wrote: >Kori, when Aidan had his circ. they actually gave him a sugar high right >before. Apparently this release good endorphins which almost overrides >the pain endorphins. ya right... sorry, but I doubt this works. Why do people still think that babies can't feel pain? ask dh if a candy bar would be enough for them to chop on his foreskin? (again, feeling a little snarky this morning - really nothing against you or your decision to let it be done like that... I just don't believe it. Next week they'll tell another parent baby needs anesthetic because a study will come out proving this wrong and they're flip flopping on protocols like they're always doing... grrr... I still wanna know... who asks these babies what hurts more anyway?) > I asked him about this and he said old wives tale as well. Said they > also used to soak pacifiers in Amaretto and let the baby suck on it so > they're a little woozy. I think I'm the one that needs the shot of > Amaretto!! I'm taking an extra pacifier!!!!!! My sons got a glucose coated pacifier for their circs, but that was to get them to suck on the pacifier. They still had to hold it in their mouths. After the injection, my first son slept through his circ. I think maybe #2 did as well. I didn't go with them, dh did. But they both did fine with the anesthetic. Once it's numb they don't feel it and that's how it should be IMO. My mom worked in the Ped. clinic when my first son was born and helped with a number of circs. She assisted with my son's as well even though she didn't agree that it needed to be done. She felt the anesthetic was a very good choice for circs and they had great luck with them at their clinic. For whatever that's worth :~} Kori >frogabog frogabog@...> wrote:ouch! That sounds really weird to >me... kinda like the babies don't feel >pain thing when it comes to circumcision (an old school thing they used to >tell moms). > >Glad to hear he's doing so well! Give him a kiss for me! > >Kori > > > > >At 07:27 AM 11/9/2004, you wrote: > > >He's doing really well. He's almost 9lbs & 20 inches. Had I been term he > >probably would have been a good size baby, my due date was just Oct. > >23rd. We may be getting the tenotomy this Friday! I'm preparing myself > >for a long night! > > > >I thought this was interesting. His doctor wrote the pain management > >program for the Children's hospital in Austin. He believes it's less > >painful to do the tenotomy without a local vs giving a local. Says the > >local is generally more painful then just going in and quickly doing the > >tenotomy. Not sure, we'll probably go ahead and do the local but I hadn't > >heard that. > > > > Gerace cgerace@...> wrote: > >Speaking of Aidan....how is he doing? Gaining weight and growing fast > >right? > > > > > > > > > > > >Mommy to (12-17-98) and > > > >Christian (1-30-04) LCF - DBB 23/7 > > > > _____ > > > >From: Hundley > >Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 3:08 PM > >To: nosurgery4clubfoot > >Subject: Re: Are all CF kids poor sleepers? > > > > > > > >Lori, I'm not sure one has to do with the other, but Aidan too likes to be > >held (alot) and rocked to sleep. We were also given the same advice. Rock > >them right up until he is dozing off then put him in his bed. Let him cry > >it out until he falls asleep. I know easier said then done. I've only let > >Aidan cry himself to sleep once and it was awful. You feel like he's been > >through enough already. > > > >Speaking of the devil, I've just rocked him to sleep and as soon as I lay > >him down he's screaming his head off. Oh well, off to the rescue. > > > >I just keep telling myself, this too shall pass! :-) > > > >wbb_lr lori.webb@...> wrote: > > > > > >Hi there, > >We are new to the group. My son Weston is 7 weeks old and just > >received his 5th and final cast this week. He is due to get his DBB > >this Thursday. My question is... Are all infants going through this > >as poor a sleeper as Weston? He has to be rocked to sleep for about > >an hour every time he goes down and seems to fight sleep. He is a > >very light sleeper and can be up for 6 hours at a time. Are any of > >you parents going through this? Our orthopedic doctor told me > >Weston has me " trained " and I need to let him cry it out. I just > >can't do it.. especially since I believe his foot (unilateral) is > >uncomfortable. Any insight would be helpful. Thank you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 At 10:31 AM 11/11/2004, you wrote: >My sister had laser hair removal and they gave her a numbing cream to >apply 45 minutes before her appointment. My point exactly... laser hair removal is nearly painless (I know, BTDT many times, without numbing cream)... and they're giving out numbing cream for it to adults?? WHY ARE BABIES LESS IMPORTANT?? Argh!!! Kori (better stop - working myself up here!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 I am with you. I was not happy when my doc first informed me that he does the tenonomy under GA, but once he explained why- - Less trauma on the little one, still gets local and tylenol. I was much more understanding and quite happy. I am in complete agreement with you - Put the doc on the table, cut his achilles with out anything and lets see if he crys. My husband whines over a cold, could you imagine any of them with out anestetic for anything. I just don't understand why they think because babies don't form the words that the pain doesn't hurt just the same. I wrote that my brother got stitches without novacaine, but left out that he screamed like nothing I have ever heard during the whole process. I am sure he had thought of some words to form after that stupid decision...... frogabog frogabog@...> wrote: At 10:31 AM 11/11/2004, you wrote: >My sister had laser hair removal and they gave her a numbing cream to >apply 45 minutes before her appointment. My point exactly... laser hair removal is nearly painless (I know, BTDT many times, without numbing cream)... and they're giving out numbing cream for it to adults?? WHY ARE BABIES LESS IMPORTANT?? Argh!!! Kori (better stop - working myself up here!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 I am with you. I was not happy when my doc first informed me that he does the tenonomy under GA, but once he explained why- - Less trauma on the little one, still gets local and tylenol. I was much more understanding and quite happy. I am in complete agreement with you - Put the doc on the table, cut his achilles with out anything and lets see if he crys. My husband whines over a cold, could you imagine any of them with out anestetic for anything. I just don't understand why they think because babies don't form the words that the pain doesn't hurt just the same. I wrote that my brother got stitches without novacaine, but left out that he screamed like nothing I have ever heard during the whole process. I am sure he had thought of some words to form after that stupid decision...... frogabog frogabog@...> wrote: At 10:31 AM 11/11/2004, you wrote: >My sister had laser hair removal and they gave her a numbing cream to >apply 45 minutes before her appointment. My point exactly... laser hair removal is nearly painless (I know, BTDT many times, without numbing cream)... and they're giving out numbing cream for it to adults?? WHY ARE BABIES LESS IMPORTANT?? Argh!!! Kori (better stop - working myself up here!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 Kori, thanks for your input, snarky or not, at least you're honest. Actually, I wouldn't think of having them do it without the local. Even if it does initially hurt more (who knows) he'll definitely be more comfortable after as that area will be numb. I'm going for the anesthetic but was just wondering if anyone had heard this. I still think I'll ask Dr. P just because I'm curious. Anyway, glad I gave you a reason to vent though! :-) Let me know if I can be of further assistance. frogabog frogabog@...> wrote: At 08:58 AM 11/11/2004, you wrote: >Kori, when Aidan had his circ. they actually gave him a sugar high right >before. Apparently this release good endorphins which almost overrides >the pain endorphins. ya right... sorry, but I doubt this works. Why do people still think that babies can't feel pain? ask dh if a candy bar would be enough for them to chop on his foreskin? (again, feeling a little snarky this morning - really nothing against you or your decision to let it be done like that... I just don't believe it. Next week they'll tell another parent baby needs anesthetic because a study will come out proving this wrong and they're flip flopping on protocols like they're always doing... grrr... I still wanna know... who asks these babies what hurts more anyway?) > I asked him about this and he said old wives tale as well. Said they > also used to soak pacifiers in Amaretto and let the baby suck on it so > they're a little woozy. I think I'm the one that needs the shot of > Amaretto!! I'm taking an extra pacifier!!!!!! My sons got a glucose coated pacifier for their circs, but that was to get them to suck on the pacifier. They still had to hold it in their mouths. After the injection, my first son slept through his circ. I think maybe #2 did as well. I didn't go with them, dh did. But they both did fine with the anesthetic. Once it's numb they don't feel it and that's how it should be IMO. My mom worked in the Ped. clinic when my first son was born and helped with a number of circs. She assisted with my son's as well even though she didn't agree that it needed to be done. She felt the anesthetic was a very good choice for circs and they had great luck with them at their clinic. For whatever that's worth :~} Kori >frogabog frogabog@...> wrote:ouch! That sounds really weird to >me... kinda like the babies don't feel >pain thing when it comes to circumcision (an old school thing they used to >tell moms). > >Glad to hear he's doing so well! Give him a kiss for me! > >Kori > > > > >At 07:27 AM 11/9/2004, you wrote: > > >He's doing really well. He's almost 9lbs & 20 inches. Had I been term he > >probably would have been a good size baby, my due date was just Oct. > >23rd. We may be getting the tenotomy this Friday! I'm preparing myself > >for a long night! > > > >I thought this was interesting. His doctor wrote the pain management > >program for the Children's hospital in Austin. He believes it's less > >painful to do the tenotomy without a local vs giving a local. Says the > >local is generally more painful then just going in and quickly doing the > >tenotomy. Not sure, we'll probably go ahead and do the local but I hadn't > >heard that. > > > > Gerace cgerace@...> wrote: > >Speaking of Aidan....how is he doing? Gaining weight and growing fast > >right? > > > > > > > > > > > >Mommy to (12-17-98) and > > > >Christian (1-30-04) LCF - DBB 23/7 > > > > _____ > > > >From: Hundley > >Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 3:08 PM > >To: nosurgery4clubfoot > >Subject: Re: Are all CF kids poor sleepers? > > > > > > > >Lori, I'm not sure one has to do with the other, but Aidan too likes to be > >held (alot) and rocked to sleep. We were also given the same advice. Rock > >them right up until he is dozing off then put him in his bed. Let him cry > >it out until he falls asleep. I know easier said then done. I've only let > >Aidan cry himself to sleep once and it was awful. You feel like he's been > >through enough already. > > > >Speaking of the devil, I've just rocked him to sleep and as soon as I lay > >him down he's screaming his head off. Oh well, off to the rescue. > > > >I just keep telling myself, this too shall pass! :-) > > > >wbb_lr lori.webb@...> wrote: > > > > > >Hi there, > >We are new to the group. My son Weston is 7 weeks old and just > >received his 5th and final cast this week. He is due to get his DBB > >this Thursday. My question is... Are all infants going through this > >as poor a sleeper as Weston? He has to be rocked to sleep for about > >an hour every time he goes down and seems to fight sleep. He is a > >very light sleeper and can be up for 6 hours at a time. Are any of > >you parents going through this? Our orthopedic doctor told me > >Weston has me " trained " and I need to let him cry it out. I just > >can't do it.. especially since I believe his foot (unilateral) is > >uncomfortable. Any insight would be helpful. Thank you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 Don't you wish you could pick up the phone sometimes and just talk about it instead of all this writing? I've been pissed several times as I've sat here and typed but it's hard to type with an attitude. Does that laser hair removal work? I need it. I currently get waxed but it's once every 3 weeks - BUG. I'd like to go alot less. Having Aidan has blessed me with a fine coat of black hair all over my body!! God definitely has a sense of humor. Thank God it's not on my back! :-) Kori, if you're still reading I hope that brought a smile to your face. Seriously though I'm open to advice on the laser hair removal thing. frogabog frogabog@...> wrote: At 10:31 AM 11/11/2004, you wrote: >My sister had laser hair removal and they gave her a numbing cream to >apply 45 minutes before her appointment. My point exactly... laser hair removal is nearly painless (I know, BTDT many times, without numbing cream)... and they're giving out numbing cream for it to adults?? WHY ARE BABIES LESS IMPORTANT?? Argh!!! Kori (better stop - working myself up here!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 Don't you wish you could pick up the phone sometimes and just talk about it instead of all this writing? I've been pissed several times as I've sat here and typed but it's hard to type with an attitude. Does that laser hair removal work? I need it. I currently get waxed but it's once every 3 weeks - BUG. I'd like to go alot less. Having Aidan has blessed me with a fine coat of black hair all over my body!! God definitely has a sense of humor. Thank God it's not on my back! :-) Kori, if you're still reading I hope that brought a smile to your face. Seriously though I'm open to advice on the laser hair removal thing. frogabog frogabog@...> wrote: At 10:31 AM 11/11/2004, you wrote: >My sister had laser hair removal and they gave her a numbing cream to >apply 45 minutes before her appointment. My point exactly... laser hair removal is nearly painless (I know, BTDT many times, without numbing cream)... and they're giving out numbing cream for it to adults?? WHY ARE BABIES LESS IMPORTANT?? Argh!!! Kori (better stop - working myself up here!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 In a message dated 11/11/2004 9:49:32 AM Pacific Standard Time, jenhundley@... writes: > He said the numbing cream doesn't go deep enought to numb the actual area. > They have to give a shot (needle) which feels the same as just doing the > tenotomy. Who knows. Man, if God would have given me a heads up I would have > just become an orthopedic surgeon so I could just take care of all our babies. > > Darby dabrennan@...> wrote: > My doc mentioned a study before we got Livi's tenotomy that says the > longer the EMLA (is that what it's called )cream is allowed to > absorb, the deeper the numbing effect penetrates. I think the peak > time was 2 hours if I remember correctly. I think the old rule was > that it was good after 1/2 hour. > My doctor uses EMLA cream before giving shots to some babies, so they don't feel the shot. Maybe use the cream so the baby doesn't feel the shot and the shot so the tenotomy will be PAINLESS! Just a suggestion! Freeman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 In a message dated 11/11/2004 10:30:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, frogabog@... writes: > ummmm.... can't they use the Emla cream and then use the local? That's > what they did with my son when he sliced his face and needed > stitches. They let the cream sit and then injected the anesthetic. He > never flinched. > Sorry didn't see this reply before I suggested the same thing in another reply!! Freeman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 I just want to add, that I am a nurse and we use Lidocaine injections before inserting central lines, which are big IV's into veins. So if it were me and my baby they were snipping on, I would surely want to KNOW that she did not feel the pain if she didn't have to. Freeman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 Our son Connor had his tenotomy at 5 weeks, we were given the numbing cream which we had to put on an hour beforehand. We made sure there was loads on there as we, who are not doctors, didn't have a clue where he was going to cut him only a rough idea. Anyway they took him off and he screamed throughout the whole procedure, he also screamed through the plastercast and was genereally not a happy bunny. That cry was not a normal one as far as I was concerned and I will never know if it hurt him or not, but it was almost the hardest thing I have had to sit through with him. Thank god it is over. He also had blisters from his shoes which made him cry continuously and it was not until we cut a hole in the heel that he finally calmed down - the shoes were no longer rubbing him then, in my opinion he definately felt that ........ Rach, Steve and Connor 19 months, b/l c/f. -- Re: Re: Hundley ummmm.... can't they use the Emla cream and then use the local? That's what they did with my son when he sliced his face and needed stitches. They let the cream sit and then injected the anesthetic. He never flinched. With all the discussion lately about how kids move so much during the tenotomy I wouldn't even THINK about allowing this done without anesthetic. Isn't pain going to make him move his foot some when it should be still so the doc can perform the surgery properly? What is the problem with anesthetic anyway? Those injections hurt a little, but don't tell me cutting that tendon hurts less or the same. I can tell you that when I think about anyone messing with my Achilles tendon I shudder with the thought of no anesthetic. Additionally, since little pain medication is given for immediately following the tenotomy and baby is expected to just *live* with whatever pain he might have wouldn't a few hours having that area completely numb be a good thing? I've had surgery multiple times, and I honestly don't understand why we think these little ones can handle pain when we are given narcotics in large quantities for lesser surgeries. quite honestly... how does this doc know that the injection feels the same as the tenotomy? How many infants has he gotten a valid response from on this? " Hello, 6w old baby... can you tell me which foot has more pain? The one I just chopped into without anesthetic or the one I numbed a little? ... Well, you cried some more on the second one and since that was the one I numbed apparently that one hurt more... it couldn't possibly be that you had pain on the first one and then I injected you with the anesthetic and you cried louder because you're a BABY and that's all you CAN DO! " hummmm.... How many babies has he done without the anesthetic and what exactly was the responses? Has he published any studies on this or can you read his notes? This all seems really fishy to me, and I'd not be happy having to argue this with the doc. I feel for you. Kori feeling a little snarky today apparently.... At 09:42 AM 11/11/2004, you wrote: >He said the numbing cream doesn't go deep enought to numb the actual >area. They have to give a shot (needle) which feels the same as just >doing the tenotomy. Who knows. Man, if God would have given me a heads >up I would have just become an orthopedic surgeon so I could just take >care of all our babies. > >Darby dabrennan@...> wrote: >My doc mentioned a study before we got Livi's tenotomy that says the >longer the EMLA (is that what it's called )cream is allowed to >absorb, the deeper the numbing effect penetrates. I think the peak >time was 2 hours if I remember correctly. I think the old rule was >that it was good after 1/2 hour. > >Maybe you already know about this, but if not, here you go!! > >Good luck! >Darby >Livi bi cf dbb 16/7 >EDD #2 5/12/05 > > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi there, > > >We are new to the group. My son Weston is 7 weeks old and just > > >received his 5th and final cast this week. He is due to get his >DBB > > >this Thursday. My question is... Are all infants going through >this > > >as poor a sleeper as Weston? He has to be rocked to sleep for >about > > >an hour every time he goes down and seems to fight sleep. He is a > > >very light sleeper and can be up for 6 hours at a time. Are any of > > >you parents going through this? Our orthopedic doctor told me > > >Weston has me " trained " and I need to let him cry it out. I just > > >can't do it.. especially since I believe his foot (unilateral) is > > >uncomfortable. Any insight would be helpful. Thank you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 I totally didn't put those two things together. Of course they feel that pain! Otherwise they wouldn't be driving us nuts with crying about the brace! I KNOW Darbi was in pain, she was soooo upset! Duh! She was upset and in pain before the sore even came up (I didn't recognize it though). So if that pressure hurt her enough for her to let me know like that as soon as the shoes went on... she feels pain just like the rest of us. She was 5w at the time. that... and there's the fact that when older brothers mess with little babies... like poking in their eyes and pinching them... they cry. Must hurt. So much for babies not feeling pain huh? (much better with a 3 year old and infant than a 2 year old and infant but either way, they still think they need to do these things to the baby - grrrr!) I'm happy we didn't have to do the tenotomy with her. That sore was enough I think. Kori At 02:08 PM 11/11/2004, you wrote: >Our son Connor had his tenotomy at 5 weeks, we were given the numbing cream >which we had to put on an hour beforehand. We made sure there was loads on >there as we, who are not doctors, didn't have a clue where he was going to >cut him only a rough idea. Anyway they took him off and he screamed >throughout the whole procedure, he also screamed through the plastercast and >was genereally not a happy bunny. That cry was not a normal one as far as I >was concerned and I will never know if it hurt him or not, but it was almost >the hardest thing I have had to sit through with him. Thank god it is over. >He also had blisters from his shoes which made him cry continuously and it >was not until we cut a hole in the heel that he finally calmed down - the >shoes were no longer rubbing him then, in my opinion he definately felt that >....... > >Rach, Steve and Connor 19 months, b/l c/f. >-- Re: Re: Hundley > >ummmm.... can't they use the Emla cream and then use the local? That's >what they did with my son when he sliced his face and needed >stitches. They let the cream sit and then injected the anesthetic. He >never flinched. > >With all the discussion lately about how kids move so much during the >tenotomy I wouldn't even THINK about allowing this done without >anesthetic. Isn't pain going to make him move his foot some when it should >be still so the doc can perform the surgery properly? What is the problem >with anesthetic anyway? Those injections hurt a little, but don't tell me >cutting that tendon hurts less or the same. I can tell you that when I >think about anyone messing with my Achilles tendon I shudder with the >thought of no anesthetic. Additionally, since little pain medication is >given for immediately following the tenotomy and baby is expected to just >*live* with whatever pain he might have wouldn't a few hours having that >area completely numb be a good thing? I've had surgery multiple times, and >I honestly don't understand why we think these little ones can handle pain >when we are given narcotics in large quantities for lesser surgeries. > >quite honestly... how does this doc know that the injection feels the same >as the tenotomy? How many infants has he gotten a valid response from on >this? > > " Hello, 6w old baby... can you tell me which foot has more pain? The one >I just chopped into without anesthetic or the one I numbed a little? ... >Well, you cried some more on the second one and since that was the one I >numbed apparently that one hurt more... it couldn't possibly be that you >had pain on the first one and then I injected you with the anesthetic and >you cried louder because you're a BABY and that's all you CAN DO! " > >hummmm.... > >How many babies has he done without the anesthetic and what exactly was the >responses? Has he published any studies on this or can you read his notes? >This all seems really fishy to me, and I'd not be happy having to argue >this with the doc. I feel for you. > >Kori >feeling a little snarky today apparently.... > > > >At 09:42 AM 11/11/2004, you wrote: > > >He said the numbing cream doesn't go deep enought to numb the actual > >area. They have to give a shot (needle) which feels the same as just > >doing the tenotomy. Who knows. Man, if God would have given me a heads > >up I would have just become an orthopedic surgeon so I could just take > >care of all our babies. > > > >Darby dabrennan@...> wrote: > >My doc mentioned a study before we got Livi's tenotomy that says the > >longer the EMLA (is that what it's called )cream is allowed to > >absorb, the deeper the numbing effect penetrates. I think the peak > >time was 2 hours if I remember correctly. I think the old rule was > >that it was good after 1/2 hour. > > > >Maybe you already know about this, but if not, here you go!! > > > >Good luck! > >Darby > >Livi bi cf dbb 16/7 > >EDD #2 5/12/05 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi there, > > > >We are new to the group. My son Weston is 7 weeks old and just > > > >received his 5th and final cast this week. He is due to get his > >DBB > > > >this Thursday. My question is... Are all infants going through > >this > > > >as poor a sleeper as Weston? He has to be rocked to sleep for > >about > > > >an hour every time he goes down and seems to fight sleep. He is a > > > >very light sleeper and can be up for 6 hours at a time. Are any of > > > >you parents going through this? Our orthopedic doctor told me > > > >Weston has me " trained " and I need to let him cry it out. I just > > > >can't do it.. especially since I believe his foot (unilateral) is > > > >uncomfortable. Any insight would be helpful. Thank you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 I totally didn't put those two things together. Of course they feel that pain! Otherwise they wouldn't be driving us nuts with crying about the brace! I KNOW Darbi was in pain, she was soooo upset! Duh! She was upset and in pain before the sore even came up (I didn't recognize it though). So if that pressure hurt her enough for her to let me know like that as soon as the shoes went on... she feels pain just like the rest of us. She was 5w at the time. that... and there's the fact that when older brothers mess with little babies... like poking in their eyes and pinching them... they cry. Must hurt. So much for babies not feeling pain huh? (much better with a 3 year old and infant than a 2 year old and infant but either way, they still think they need to do these things to the baby - grrrr!) I'm happy we didn't have to do the tenotomy with her. That sore was enough I think. Kori At 02:08 PM 11/11/2004, you wrote: >Our son Connor had his tenotomy at 5 weeks, we were given the numbing cream >which we had to put on an hour beforehand. We made sure there was loads on >there as we, who are not doctors, didn't have a clue where he was going to >cut him only a rough idea. Anyway they took him off and he screamed >throughout the whole procedure, he also screamed through the plastercast and >was genereally not a happy bunny. That cry was not a normal one as far as I >was concerned and I will never know if it hurt him or not, but it was almost >the hardest thing I have had to sit through with him. Thank god it is over. >He also had blisters from his shoes which made him cry continuously and it >was not until we cut a hole in the heel that he finally calmed down - the >shoes were no longer rubbing him then, in my opinion he definately felt that >....... > >Rach, Steve and Connor 19 months, b/l c/f. >-- Re: Re: Hundley > >ummmm.... can't they use the Emla cream and then use the local? That's >what they did with my son when he sliced his face and needed >stitches. They let the cream sit and then injected the anesthetic. He >never flinched. > >With all the discussion lately about how kids move so much during the >tenotomy I wouldn't even THINK about allowing this done without >anesthetic. Isn't pain going to make him move his foot some when it should >be still so the doc can perform the surgery properly? What is the problem >with anesthetic anyway? Those injections hurt a little, but don't tell me >cutting that tendon hurts less or the same. I can tell you that when I >think about anyone messing with my Achilles tendon I shudder with the >thought of no anesthetic. Additionally, since little pain medication is >given for immediately following the tenotomy and baby is expected to just >*live* with whatever pain he might have wouldn't a few hours having that >area completely numb be a good thing? I've had surgery multiple times, and >I honestly don't understand why we think these little ones can handle pain >when we are given narcotics in large quantities for lesser surgeries. > >quite honestly... how does this doc know that the injection feels the same >as the tenotomy? How many infants has he gotten a valid response from on >this? > > " Hello, 6w old baby... can you tell me which foot has more pain? The one >I just chopped into without anesthetic or the one I numbed a little? ... >Well, you cried some more on the second one and since that was the one I >numbed apparently that one hurt more... it couldn't possibly be that you >had pain on the first one and then I injected you with the anesthetic and >you cried louder because you're a BABY and that's all you CAN DO! " > >hummmm.... > >How many babies has he done without the anesthetic and what exactly was the >responses? Has he published any studies on this or can you read his notes? >This all seems really fishy to me, and I'd not be happy having to argue >this with the doc. I feel for you. > >Kori >feeling a little snarky today apparently.... > > > >At 09:42 AM 11/11/2004, you wrote: > > >He said the numbing cream doesn't go deep enought to numb the actual > >area. They have to give a shot (needle) which feels the same as just > >doing the tenotomy. Who knows. Man, if God would have given me a heads > >up I would have just become an orthopedic surgeon so I could just take > >care of all our babies. > > > >Darby dabrennan@...> wrote: > >My doc mentioned a study before we got Livi's tenotomy that says the > >longer the EMLA (is that what it's called )cream is allowed to > >absorb, the deeper the numbing effect penetrates. I think the peak > >time was 2 hours if I remember correctly. I think the old rule was > >that it was good after 1/2 hour. > > > >Maybe you already know about this, but if not, here you go!! > > > >Good luck! > >Darby > >Livi bi cf dbb 16/7 > >EDD #2 5/12/05 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi there, > > > >We are new to the group. My son Weston is 7 weeks old and just > > > >received his 5th and final cast this week. He is due to get his > >DBB > > > >this Thursday. My question is... Are all infants going through > >this > > > >as poor a sleeper as Weston? He has to be rocked to sleep for > >about > > > >an hour every time he goes down and seems to fight sleep. He is a > > > >very light sleeper and can be up for 6 hours at a time. Are any of > > > >you parents going through this? Our orthopedic doctor told me > > > >Weston has me " trained " and I need to let him cry it out. I just > > > >can't do it.. especially since I believe his foot (unilateral) is > > > >uncomfortable. Any insight would be helpful. Thank you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 I haven't had the laser hair removal thing, but they used the same machine on me. I was getting rid of spider veins. I think it's at a higher " dose " though. And IT HURT really bad. I've never been burned with a lit cigarette all over my legs, but that is what I would imagine it feels like. I never went back for my other treatments. My legs swelled up and had little burns on them. I'm having cold chills on my legs just typing about it--seriously! Ugh, must get memeroy out of my head, bye! Pam and (8-12-01) > >My sister had laser hair removal and they gave her a numbing cream to > >apply 45 minutes before her appointment. > > > My point exactly... laser hair removal is nearly painless (I know, BTDT > many times, without numbing cream)... and they're giving out numbing cream > for it to adults?? WHY ARE BABIES LESS IMPORTANT?? Argh!!! > > Kori > (better stop - working myself up here!) > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 I'm also a nurse and we start an IV on every patient that comes in so we offer a lidocaine injection just under the skin to numb the area. This works very well for some people and they don't feel a thing. Some people it helps them with the needle entering the skin but then they feel it moving around underneath. Some people feel it when you hit the vein. You'll feel that pop when you enter the vein and simutaneously they'll be hollering out. I've always found it very interesting the different experience people have with the lidocaine. I'm sure our babies are the same way--different experiences I mean. Pam and (8-12-01) > I just want to add, that I am a nurse and we use Lidocaine injections before > inserting central lines, which are big IV's into veins. So if it were me and > my baby they were snipping on, I would surely want to KNOW that she did not > feel the pain if she didn't have to. > > Freeman > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 This is why I am NOT a nurse.lol I'm also a nurse and we start an IV on every patient that comes in so we offer a lidocaine injection just under the skin to numb the area. This works very well for some people and they don't feel a thing. Some people it helps them with the needle entering the skin but then they feel it moving around underneath. Some people feel it when you hit the vein. You'll feel that pop when you enter the vein and simutaneously they'll be hollering out. I've always found it very interesting the different experience people have with the lidocaine. I'm sure our babies are the same way--different experiences I mean. Mommy to (12-17-98) and Christian (1-30-04) LCF - DBB 23/7 _____ From: pammi_kay Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 8:38 AM To: nosurgery4clubfoot Subject: Re: Hundley I'm also a nurse and we start an IV on every patient that comes in so we offer a lidocaine injection just under the skin to numb the area. This works very well for some people and they don't feel a thing. Some people it helps them with the needle entering the skin but then they feel it moving around underneath. Some people feel it when you hit the vein. You'll feel that pop when you enter the vein and simutaneously they'll be hollering out. I've always found it very interesting the different experience people have with the lidocaine. I'm sure our babies are the same way--different experiences I mean. Pam and (8-12-01) > I just want to add, that I am a nurse and we use Lidocaine injections before > inserting central lines, which are big IV's into veins. So if it were me and > my baby they were snipping on, I would surely want to KNOW that she did not > feel the pain if she didn't have to. > > Freeman > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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