Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 Maybe that is where the price difference comes in because we got the gold bar so now just have to buy the shoes, thanks for the reply. & Grace We have NO insurance. You just do > what you gotta do and pay what you gotta pay for your kids. I seem > to remember though that had an insurance code thingy > now and someone was using it and got reimbursed.....or did I dream > all that? > > s. > > > > I'm getting nervous reading about everybody having trouble with > > their insurance paying for the DBB. How many people actually did > > have to pay out of pocket? Or did most of your insurances cover it? > > We have Aetna US Healthcare HMO, if anybody else has that I'd > > appreciate knowing what happened. > > Thanks > > , Mommy of: > > Guinevere, on, Ava 8/4/04 right CF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 In a message dated 11/14/2004 8:23:07 AM Pacific Standard Time, pammi_kay@... writes: > But I'd rather pay the money out on insurance and us > raise the kids instead of having to pay it out on daycare. See my > husband works 24 hours shifts, 9-11 of them per month and then I work > on his days off that way one of us is always here for the boys. It > works pretty well, if the insurance would just stop going up! > Very similar to our situation.... I work weekends and my hubby works through the week... Freeman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 In a message dated 11/14/2004 8:23:07 AM Pacific Standard Time, pammi_kay@... writes: > But I'd rather pay the money out on insurance and us > raise the kids instead of having to pay it out on daycare. See my > husband works 24 hours shifts, 9-11 of them per month and then I work > on his days off that way one of us is always here for the boys. It > works pretty well, if the insurance would just stop going up! > Very similar to our situation.... I work weekends and my hubby works through the week... Freeman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 I'll have to say insurance is a real headache for us. My husband is a firefighter and for the city to provide family insurance the cost to the employee is over $800/month. I used to provide mine and the kids insurance through my full-time job for a reasonable rate, but after was born I went prn which means they pay me more per hour but no benefits and no guaranteed hours. I pay for my own inurance through a private BC/BS policy it was $129/month but I just got a letter and for next year it's going up to $164/month. My husband provides coverage for him and the boys for $260/month. Yep, do the math over $400/month. Eventually I'm going to have to go back to a full-time job. But I'd rather pay the money out on insurance and us raise the kids instead of having to pay it out on daycare. See my husband works 24 hours shifts, 9-11 of them per month and then I work on his days off that way one of us is always here for the boys. It works pretty well, if the insurance would just stop going up! Pam and (8-12-01) > In a message dated 11/13/2004 12:42:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, > number23@c... writes: > > > We have NO insurance. > > THAT SUCKS!!!!!!! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 Now wait a minute. $800.00/month for ins is a lot but I am a nurse for the biggest hospital in the area, and we pay over $500.00/month for ins. benefits for 3 people and that is through the hospital's plan, and not the best copays and such, like one might think. My point is, insurance is expensive for alot of people! According to the hospital, the reason is that if people have to pay alot for insurance, they won't abuse it b/c it will drive the costs up. I dont know about you but I for one, don't know many people who abuse medical insurance to begin with! I think their reasoning is silly. Freeman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 Now wait a minute. $800.00/month for ins is a lot but I am a nurse for the biggest hospital in the area, and we pay over $500.00/month for ins. benefits for 3 people and that is through the hospital's plan, and not the best copays and such, like one might think. My point is, insurance is expensive for alot of people! According to the hospital, the reason is that if people have to pay alot for insurance, they won't abuse it b/c it will drive the costs up. I dont know about you but I for one, don't know many people who abuse medical insurance to begin with! I think their reasoning is silly. Freeman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 Hi Pam, How can that be...$800 a month for family coverage you have got to be $*&^%$# kidding me! That is just brutal! Doesn't it make you want to call the paper and have them do a story to expose this or something. I do not think the public would have any idea about that! I know quite a few folks in the US and none of them are paying anything even close to that! You would think that they would cut you an even better deal as your hubby does a dangerous job...that just sucks! & Grace > > In a message dated 11/13/2004 12:42:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > number23@c... writes: > > > > > We have NO insurance. > > > > THAT SUCKS!!!!!!! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 No, I work Part-time as a weekender, but my benefits are only $30.00/month more than full-time, which is nothing in the scheme of it...I am thankful that it is pre-tax, though. It is still a rip-off though b/c I think the copays are ridiculous, especially when we had to go to the ortho weekly. Freeman I think you're right, it's ridiculous! So are you full-time and have to pay that much? If we are part-time we can still get insurance, but it's very expensive like that. If I were to work full-time it wouldn't be nearly as bad, but that's just not in the cards right now. Pam and (8-12-01) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 I think you're right, it's ridiculous! So are you full-time and have to pay that much? If we are part-time we can still get insurance, but it's very expensive like that. If I were to work full-time it wouldn't be nearly as bad, but that's just not in the cards right now. Pam and (8-12-01) > Now wait a minute. $800.00/month for ins is a lot but I am a nurse for the > biggest hospital in the area, and we pay over $500.00/month for ins. benefits > for 3 people and that is through the hospital's plan, and not the best copays > and such, like one might think. My point is, insurance is expensive for alot > of people! According to the hospital, the reason is that if people have to pay > alot for insurance, they won't abuse it b/c it will drive the costs up. I > dont know about you but I for one, don't know many people who abuse medical > insurance to begin with! I think their reasoning is silly. > > Freeman > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 I pay $250.00 per month for family coverage and was complaining about that. I guess I should be thankful instead. Shook Retail Operations Manager/Baking Instructor Vie de France Yamazaki, Inc. 2070 Chain Bridge Rd. Suite 500 Vienna, VA 22182 x374 x374 fax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 Our insurance is over $975/mo. We have private for the children, that's $355.91 and dh and I on a separate policy is $630. Well, that just went up so it's even more now. I didn't pay last month because dh was unemployed and we couldn't afford it. So now dh and I don't have insurance anymore and he has to wait 90 days before his new job will cover him/us at $489/mo. Because of the pre-existing law here in Oregon stating that an insurance company can't pre-exist you out of certain coverage we are uninsurable. Completely uninsurable. Dh had cancer 5 years ago and I have PCOS. Neither of which is an issue... but it still means that no insurance company outside of a group policy through an employer will even tough us. Kori At 08:31 AM 11/14/2004, you wrote: >Hi Pam, > >How can that be...$800 a month for family coverage you have got to be >$*&^%$# kidding me! That is just brutal! Doesn't it make you want to >call the paper and have them do a story to expose this or something. >I do not think the public would have any idea about that! I know >quite a few folks in the US and none of them are paying anything even >close to that! You would think that they would cut you an even better >deal as your hubby does a dangerous job...that just sucks! > > & Grace > > > > > > In a message dated 11/13/2004 12:42:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > > number23@c... writes: > > > > > > > We have NO insurance. > > > > > > THAT SUCKS!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 WOW! I really feel for you guys!! What is PCOS? I must say that I am glad I live in Canada!! That is just sooo expensive!! I don't know how you do it! I mean I guess you just do it because you have to but MG that is a lot of $$! & Grace > > > > In a message dated 11/13/2004 12:42:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > > > number23@c... writes: > > > > > > > > > We have NO insurance. > > > > > > > > THAT SUCKS!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 Kori, I also have been treated for PCOS before my children were born. It was the primary cause of my inferility. I sympathize with the insurance issue. Luckily, for me, my husband works for a university and we have excellent health insurance coverage. The only problem we really have is that they won't pay for the shoes but they have paid for everything else without question. My sister, however, is a single Mom and has to provide health insurance for her children, even though under the custody agreement, her deadbeat ex-husband is supposed to do that (whole other story). Hopefully, the 90 days without insuarance will pass crisis free for you. Jenni frogabog wrote: >Our insurance is over $975/mo. We have private for the children, that's >$355.91 and dh and I on a separate policy is $630. Well, that just went up >so it's even more now. I didn't pay last month because dh was unemployed >and we couldn't afford it. So now dh and I don't have insurance anymore >and he has to wait 90 days before his new job will cover him/us at >$489/mo. Because of the pre-existing law here in Oregon stating that an >insurance company can't pre-exist you out of certain coverage we are >uninsurable. Completely uninsurable. Dh had cancer 5 years ago and I have >PCOS. Neither of which is an issue... but it still means that no >insurance company outside of a group policy through an employer will even >tough us. > >Kori > > > > > > >At 08:31 AM 11/14/2004, you wrote: > > > > >>Hi Pam, >> >>How can that be...$800 a month for family coverage you have got to be >>$*&^%$# kidding me! That is just brutal! Doesn't it make you want to >>call the paper and have them do a story to expose this or something. >>I do not think the public would have any idea about that! I know >>quite a few folks in the US and none of them are paying anything even >>close to that! You would think that they would cut you an even better >>deal as your hubby does a dangerous job...that just sucks! >> >> & Grace >> >> >> >>> >>> >>>>In a message dated 11/13/2004 12:42:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, >>>>number23@c... writes: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>We have NO insurance. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>THAT SUCKS!!!!!!! >>>> >>>> >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 Kori, I also have been treated for PCOS before my children were born. It was the primary cause of my inferility. I sympathize with the insurance issue. Luckily, for me, my husband works for a university and we have excellent health insurance coverage. The only problem we really have is that they won't pay for the shoes but they have paid for everything else without question. My sister, however, is a single Mom and has to provide health insurance for her children, even though under the custody agreement, her deadbeat ex-husband is supposed to do that (whole other story). Hopefully, the 90 days without insuarance will pass crisis free for you. Jenni frogabog wrote: >Our insurance is over $975/mo. We have private for the children, that's >$355.91 and dh and I on a separate policy is $630. Well, that just went up >so it's even more now. I didn't pay last month because dh was unemployed >and we couldn't afford it. So now dh and I don't have insurance anymore >and he has to wait 90 days before his new job will cover him/us at >$489/mo. Because of the pre-existing law here in Oregon stating that an >insurance company can't pre-exist you out of certain coverage we are >uninsurable. Completely uninsurable. Dh had cancer 5 years ago and I have >PCOS. Neither of which is an issue... but it still means that no >insurance company outside of a group policy through an employer will even >tough us. > >Kori > > > > > > >At 08:31 AM 11/14/2004, you wrote: > > > > >>Hi Pam, >> >>How can that be...$800 a month for family coverage you have got to be >>$*&^%$# kidding me! That is just brutal! Doesn't it make you want to >>call the paper and have them do a story to expose this or something. >>I do not think the public would have any idea about that! I know >>quite a few folks in the US and none of them are paying anything even >>close to that! You would think that they would cut you an even better >>deal as your hubby does a dangerous job...that just sucks! >> >> & Grace >> >> >> >>> >>> >>>>In a message dated 11/13/2004 12:42:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, >>>>number23@c... writes: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>We have NO insurance. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>THAT SUCKS!!!!!!! >>>> >>>> >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 In a message dated 11/16/2004 7:12:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, number23@... writes: > The reasons there aren't important here in this forum but suffice to say it > was a personal decision dh and I made to stop working away from home, build > a business here and be parents to our kids full time rather than send them > off to sitters all day. VERY Admirable of you (or anyone) who puts the needs of their children first. Freeman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 You can say that again! I laughed my butt off for two days after Liana wrote something about how not everyone is RICH regarding my lack of insurance. Maybe in some third world country I'd be middle class but here in the good ol' USofA my family of four has spent the past two years living below (far below!) the poverty line! LOL! Ohwell, we just keep the faith. Sooner or later it'll either get better or it won't. s. > We have NO insurance. THAT SUCKS!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 I sympathize with you Liana, I really do - I totally agree they should pay and never argued other wise. But by the same token, there's another way to look at it if they don't pay....if they've already paid the thousands of dollars of medical bills up to the DBB phase and the parent has to purchase their own DBB's for the next 3 or 4 years, your glass is still well over half full in cost comparison. Being RICH is not my reason for lacking insurance. Last year we made about $15,ooo. This year won't be much different. The reasons there aren't important here in this forum but suffice to say it was a personal decision dh and I made to stop working away from home, build a business here and be parents to our kids full time rather than send them off to sitters all day. It's our personal choice and we don't condemn those who work away from home at all - but the rewards we gain by being at home are paid for by the sacrifice of struggling a lot these first few years. I don't agree with you that children are " expensive " . That's a parent's personal choice in my opinion - to spend a lot or not. One thing about living on a hope and a prayer here is we discover how much crap in this life is so unimportant to the grand scheme of things. I don't see either of my son's lacking in something because one is currently wearing the DBB. To say suffers because I buy Everett's DBB is like saying Everett suffers when I buy 's base ball uniform and cleats and all the school supplies he requires that Everett doesn't require. It all evens out. Everett won't do without something he needs because I buy his DBB. Santa still comes. He gets clean cloths and plenty of diapers and beyond that what does a 1 year old baby really " need " that you really have to pay for? His medical apparatus isn't cheating him out of any item or experience his older brother got to enjoy before. But if we differ in our parenting philosophy, that's OK too. I hope you get your situation settled to your liking, I sensed you were feeling a little tense when you wrote that. Best regards, ee S, I Believe if you had insurance like a good amount of us do, you would be concerned with payments a s well. My husband is paying $200.00 a month for coverage. Of course we all care about our children and would do anything we have to do, to get them what they need. I am sorry you have NO insurance, but everyone is not RICH. Let's be real having children is expensive, even w/o having medical problems. I don't want my son to miss out on the extra thing's I have done with my older children because I have to put our extra money into buying his DBB, when I know D well the insurance company should be paying for them. Majority of the money that most people put into insurance doesn't even get used. Why shouldn't we fight for what is right. The insurance company hasn't even looked into the fact that the DBB is for infants growing every day. All they see is a code, and until we step up, there will always be a problem with payment. Sorry, for going on and on but this really gets beneath my skin. Liana Number23 number23@...> wrote: We have NO insurance. You just do what you gotta do and pay what you gotta pay for your kids. I seem to remember though that had an insurance code thingy now and someone was using it and got reimbursed.....or did I dream all that? s. I'm getting nervous reading about everybody having trouble with their insurance paying for the DBB. How many people actually did have to pay out of pocket? Or did most of your insurances cover it? We have Aetna US Healthcare HMO, if anybody else has that I'd appreciate knowing what happened. Thanks , Mommy of: Guinevere, on, Ava 8/4/04 right CF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 I sympathize with you Liana, I really do - I totally agree they should pay and never argued other wise. But by the same token, there's another way to look at it if they don't pay....if they've already paid the thousands of dollars of medical bills up to the DBB phase and the parent has to purchase their own DBB's for the next 3 or 4 years, your glass is still well over half full in cost comparison. Being RICH is not my reason for lacking insurance. Last year we made about $15,ooo. This year won't be much different. The reasons there aren't important here in this forum but suffice to say it was a personal decision dh and I made to stop working away from home, build a business here and be parents to our kids full time rather than send them off to sitters all day. It's our personal choice and we don't condemn those who work away from home at all - but the rewards we gain by being at home are paid for by the sacrifice of struggling a lot these first few years. I don't agree with you that children are " expensive " . That's a parent's personal choice in my opinion - to spend a lot or not. One thing about living on a hope and a prayer here is we discover how much crap in this life is so unimportant to the grand scheme of things. I don't see either of my son's lacking in something because one is currently wearing the DBB. To say suffers because I buy Everett's DBB is like saying Everett suffers when I buy 's base ball uniform and cleats and all the school supplies he requires that Everett doesn't require. It all evens out. Everett won't do without something he needs because I buy his DBB. Santa still comes. He gets clean cloths and plenty of diapers and beyond that what does a 1 year old baby really " need " that you really have to pay for? His medical apparatus isn't cheating him out of any item or experience his older brother got to enjoy before. But if we differ in our parenting philosophy, that's OK too. I hope you get your situation settled to your liking, I sensed you were feeling a little tense when you wrote that. Best regards, ee S, I Believe if you had insurance like a good amount of us do, you would be concerned with payments a s well. My husband is paying $200.00 a month for coverage. Of course we all care about our children and would do anything we have to do, to get them what they need. I am sorry you have NO insurance, but everyone is not RICH. Let's be real having children is expensive, even w/o having medical problems. I don't want my son to miss out on the extra thing's I have done with my older children because I have to put our extra money into buying his DBB, when I know D well the insurance company should be paying for them. Majority of the money that most people put into insurance doesn't even get used. Why shouldn't we fight for what is right. The insurance company hasn't even looked into the fact that the DBB is for infants growing every day. All they see is a code, and until we step up, there will always be a problem with payment. Sorry, for going on and on but this really gets beneath my skin. Liana Number23 number23@...> wrote: We have NO insurance. You just do what you gotta do and pay what you gotta pay for your kids. I seem to remember though that had an insurance code thingy now and someone was using it and got reimbursed.....or did I dream all that? s. I'm getting nervous reading about everybody having trouble with their insurance paying for the DBB. How many people actually did have to pay out of pocket? Or did most of your insurances cover it? We have Aetna US Healthcare HMO, if anybody else has that I'd appreciate knowing what happened. Thanks , Mommy of: Guinevere, on, Ava 8/4/04 right CF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 do you really want to know? It's way too convoluted to post here. I think I have something I can send you though, I'll have to find it. It's basically insulin resistance that very often causes a woman to not ovulate thus causing infertility. There's lots more to it, but that's the most common complaint... other than the weight and hair and acne and male pattern balding and diabetes and insulin resistance, etc. It's just BLECH!!! Kori At 01:01 PM 11/16/2004, you wrote: >WOW! I really feel for you guys!! What is PCOS? I must say that I am >glad I live in Canada!! That is just sooo expensive!! I don't know >how you do it! I mean I guess you just do it because you have to but >MG that is a lot of $$! > > & Grace > > > > > > > > In a message dated 11/13/2004 12:42:23 PM Pacific Standard >Time, > > > > > number23@c... writes: > > > > > > > > > > > We have NO insurance. > > > > > > > > > > THAT SUCKS!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 Oh, so right there with you Kori! I also have PCOS. Weight, hair, acne, you name it!! Not a fun place to be. Re: Re: Insurance paying do you really want to know? It's way too convoluted to post here. I think I have something I can send you though, I'll have to find it. It's basically insulin resistance that very often causes a woman to not ovulate thus causing infertility. There's lots more to it, but that's the most common complaint... other than the weight and hair and acne and male pattern balding and diabetes and insulin resistance, etc. It's just BLECH!!! Kori At 01:01 PM 11/16/2004, you wrote: >WOW! I really feel for you guys!! What is PCOS? I must say that I am >glad I live in Canada!! That is just sooo expensive!! I don't know >how you do it! I mean I guess you just do it because you have to but >MG that is a lot of $$! > > & Grace > > > > > > > > In a message dated 11/13/2004 12:42:23 PM Pacific Standard >Time, > > > > > number23@c... writes: > > > > > > > > > > > We have NO insurance. > > > > > > > > > > THAT SUCKS!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 > do you really want to know? It's way too convoluted to post here. I think > I have something I can send you though, I'll have to find it. It's > basically insulin resistance that very often causes a woman to not ovulate > thus causing infertility. There's lots more to it, but that's the most > common complaint... other than the weight and hair and acne and male > pattern balding and diabetes and insulin resistance, etc. It's just BLECH!!! > > Kori You poor thing!!! It's GREAT that you were able to have kids!!! - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 > do you really want to know? It's way too convoluted to post here. I think > I have something I can send you though, I'll have to find it. It's > basically insulin resistance that very often causes a woman to not ovulate > thus causing infertility. There's lots more to it, but that's the most > common complaint... other than the weight and hair and acne and male > pattern balding and diabetes and insulin resistance, etc. It's just BLECH!!! > > Kori You poor thing!!! It's GREAT that you were able to have kids!!! - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 Ya know I had to work while was young and I hated it. I missed him so much - so much of his life I missed out on that when Everett came along last year we just took the leap to be here. I won't lie and say it's rosey all the time, in fact it scares me half to death some days, but all in all, I wouldn't trade it. Putting the needs of our children first is what all of us here do - how we do it is personal and I don't condemn one single working mother or father here. I know a lot of people could argue against the idea - if I put their needs first I'd work to earn more money, have health insurance, etc., so it's really not something we can argue, like politics or religion, it's just too personal a choice how we choose to provide for them. s. > The reasons there aren't important here in this forum but suffice to say it > was a personal decision dh and I made to stop working away from home, build > a business here and be parents to our kids full time rather than send them > off to sitters all day. VERY Admirable of you (or anyone) who puts the needs of their children first. Freeman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 yeah, and I'm actually not bald either hehe... (not all women with PCOS have all the symptoms - it's hit and miss with many women - some are actually skinny!) I AM very good at fertility awareness method and can tell you if and when I'm fertile. Been right every time. I've actually only ovulated about 15 times in 7 years and conceived 6 of those times. Most all women with PCOS (10-15% of the female population) can conceive, as long as they ovulate. It's ovulation that's the key factor. M/C rate is high though, as high as 50% actually. Kori At 08:11 PM 11/16/2004, you wrote: > > > do you really want to know? It's way too convoluted to post here. >I think > > I have something I can send you though, I'll have to find it. It's > > basically insulin resistance that very often causes a woman to not >ovulate > > thus causing infertility. There's lots more to it, but that's the >most > > common complaint... other than the weight and hair and acne and >male > > pattern balding and diabetes and insulin resistance, etc. It's >just BLECH!!! > > > > Kori > >You poor thing!!! It's GREAT that you were able to have kids!!! > >- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 > Best regards, > ee I always wondered what the " S " stood for! , mommy of: Guinevere, on & Ava Ireland (8/4/04) right CF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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