Re: or anyone -- Clostridia and natural remedies?

[Guest guest]

> Hi, folks.

>

> My son has a tremendous overgrowth of clostridia.

I have some information on bacteria issues on this page

http://www.autismchannel.net/dana/yeast.htm

We have been

> cycling garlic, biocidin, cranberry extract, Yeast Control,

> Lauricidin, No-Fenol + GSE, and others. We also give about 10

> probiotics per day.

For my kids, giving probiotics fed their bacteria problem, and when I

stopped the probiotics, the bacteria problem went away. This appears

to be related possibly to the type/brand of probiotic. I have heard

good things about Culturelle. But if you are giving all this

anti-yeast stuff, I would speculate that the complete lack of yeast in

your child's gut, has allowed the bacteria to take hold. Perhaps

reducing the probiotics and other yeast things would be best. For my

kids, I basically removed ALL the yeast things and their bacteria went

away.

>> We have not used colloidal silver. If anyone

> has used this for Clostridia, how much did you use (my son is 3.5

and

> weighs about 37 pounds), how often, between meals or with them,

I have information on my page above that colloidal silver does help

with bacteria issues, but I have never used it so I don't know the

dosage, sorry.

>> does

> the No-Fenol help in killing it off, etc.?

For my kids, No-Fenol did not help with the bacteria issue.

WE are also currently

> chelating -- does the silver have a negative effect on the body --

> i.e., are we going to have to get rid of the silver eventually? Any

> other suggestions?

I use one drop GSE on days two and three of each round [i give

No-Fenol with the other enzymes before each meal every day]. That is

my entire yeast protocol, but I have completed 31 rounds with my kids

so they are rather far along. If I give more GSE, or if I try

probiotics, my kids get bacteria.

Andy Cutler does not recommend giving silver for children who are

chelating, because it does increase the metal load for your child, and

you already know your child is metal-toxic. However, a few parents

report good results from just a few days [no more than 10] of using

colloidal silver, followed by Culturelle, so you can consider that.

Be careful of argyria, silver discoloration of the skin, which does

occur for some people with use of silver.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Thank you! I had not heard of not giving the probiotics -- I did not

know they make a bacteria problem worse. My son is allergic to milk

(hives, etc.) and when I tried Culturelle he reacted (hives all over

his face). so when they say it is casein-free, it must not be. So

we use Pro-Culture gold and Pro-Bio gold. However, I will definitely

try backing off on some of the yeast things, especially the GSE.

Thank you again!

> > Hi, folks.

> >

> > My son has a tremendous overgrowth of clostridia.

>

>

> I have some information on bacteria issues on this page

>

> http://www.autismchannel.net/dana/yeast.htm

>

>

> We have been

> > cycling garlic, biocidin, cranberry extract, Yeast Control,

> > Lauricidin, No-Fenol + GSE, and others. We also give about 10

> > probiotics per day.

>

>

> For my kids, giving probiotics fed their bacteria problem, and when

I

> stopped the probiotics, the bacteria problem went away. This

appears

> to be related possibly to the type/brand of probiotic. I have

heard

> good things about Culturelle. But if you are giving all this

> anti-yeast stuff, I would speculate that the complete lack of yeast

in

> your child's gut, has allowed the bacteria to take hold. Perhaps

> reducing the probiotics and other yeast things would be best. For

my

> kids, I basically removed ALL the yeast things and their bacteria

went

> away.

>

>

> >> We have not used colloidal silver. If anyone

> > has used this for Clostridia, how much did you use (my son is 3.5

> and

> > weighs about 37 pounds), how often, between meals or with them,

>

>

> I have information on my page above that colloidal silver does help

> with bacteria issues, but I have never used it so I don't know the

> dosage, sorry.

>

>

> >> does

> > the No-Fenol help in killing it off, etc.?

>

>

> For my kids, No-Fenol did not help with the bacteria issue.

>

>

> WE are also currently

> > chelating -- does the silver have a negative effect on the body --

> > i.e., are we going to have to get rid of the silver eventually?

Any

> > other suggestions?

>

>

> I use one drop GSE on days two and three of each round [i give

> No-Fenol with the other enzymes before each meal every day]. That

is

> my entire yeast protocol, but I have completed 31 rounds with my

kids

> so they are rather far along. If I give more GSE, or if I try

> probiotics, my kids get bacteria.

>

> Andy Cutler does not recommend giving silver for children who are

> chelating, because it does increase the metal load for your child,

and

> you already know your child is metal-toxic. However, a few parents

> report good results from just a few days [no more than 10] of using

> colloidal silver, followed by Culturelle, so you can consider that.

>

> Be careful of argyria, silver discoloration of the skin, which does

> occur for some people with use of silver.

>

> Dana

[Guest guest]

> My son has a tremendous overgrowth of clostridia. We have been

> cycling garlic, biocidin, cranberry extract, Yeast Control,

> Lauricidin, No-Fenol + GSE, and others. We also give about 10

> probiotics per day. We have not used colloidal silver. If anyone

> has used this for Clostridia, how much did you use (my son is 3.5

and weighs about 37 pounds), how often, between meals or with them,

does the No-Fenol help in killing it off, etc.?

Hi, I have been attending to a project that required 99% of my

attention for the last 7 days (the other 1% was for bathroom breaks,

LOL), so sorry I didn't answer sooner.

My younger son " Blake " had a bacteria problem that we couldn't lick

even giving 60 billion colony forming units of Culturelle a day and

extra enzymes. So...eventually I tried the colloidal silver for 10

days (same as an antibiotic) and POOF! it was gone and has stayed

gone for months. I was very impressed to say the least. The

Culturelle and extra Peptizyde did help manage the bacteria but we

couldn't give rid of it until the silver. I used Source Naturals

brand from the health food store because that is all they carried

(LOL) but it is a good brand. You can get the drops or the type you

spray into the mouth. It does not have any taste (Blake calls it his

special water). I used half an adult dose listed on the bottle, so

one pump spray in the morning and one at night. My son weighed about

70 pounds and was 7 years old at the time, but I really don't know

if this has to do with body size. The terrible smell dropped off by

the fourth day, but continue the full 10 days. It was really easy

and only cost $10 a bottle. Since you have already been doing things

to kill bacteria now (like me) you may do very well with only 1 ten

day round to wipe it out. The graying called argyria happens only if

you use silver regularly over a long period of time. You may want to

ask Andy C about a 10 day run with the silver, that isn't the same

as regular use.

The No-Fenol + GSE works on yeast, and I don't know if it helps

bacteria or not. Bacteria are targeted by proteases because they are

made of protein. No-Fenol doesn't contain any proteases. However, if

you are using No-Fenol regularly, that may help keep extra waste

down that the bacteria can feed and grow on. So that is a little

something.

Hope this helps.

.

[Guest guest]

> Thank you! I had not heard of not giving the probiotics -- I did

not

> know they make a bacteria problem worse. My son is allergic to milk

> (hives, etc.) and when I tried Culturelle he reacted (hives all over

> his face). so when they say it is casein-free, it must not be.

Kirkman at one point indicated its Culturelle had tested positive for

casein, but so far as I know that problem was resolved, altho you

might want to send email or call and ask about current status.

My kids can have casein again, and even other foods which previously

caused hives, with HNI enzymes, so you can consider that also might

work for your son.

So

> we use Pro-Culture gold and Pro-Bio gold. However, I will

definitely

> try backing off on some of the yeast things, especially the GSE.

This might be your child's issue. I was VERY surprised to learn it

for my own kids!

Dana