Guest guest Posted March 28, 2003 Report Share Posted March 28, 2003 Thank you so much for your explanation, Elaine. I have such a hard time understanding what's going on or what to do. I'll definitely bring up the thyroid hormone to my endo in April. I really appreciate your response! > Hi , > PTU is helping to suppress your TSI level. Without the PTU it's likely that > your TSI level will rise and your hyper symptoms will return. People who are > truly normal have TSI levels of <2% activity. You want your TSI to be > somewhere in that range before stopping PTU. Rather than decrease your PTU > dose, you may want to ask about adding a small amount of thryoid hormone. > This protocol is block and replace and it helps suppress the thyroid gland > even more than PTU alone. This will help slow your thyroid gland and antibody > production down faster. Take care, Elaine > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2003 Report Share Posted March 28, 2003 linda- those of us who never had to deal with medical jargon, or a medical condition, find it boggling at first- i just kept reading and reading and reading, sometimes the same stuff over and again before i kinda got it- that's where i am now. i know enough (and a little more) to manage my condition. Re: Lab results Thank you so much for your explanation, Elaine. I have such a hard time understanding what's going on or what to do. I'll definitely bring up the thyroid hormone to my endo in April. I really appreciate your response! > Hi , > PTU is helping to suppress your TSI level. Without the PTU it's likely that > your TSI level will rise and your hyper symptoms will return. People who are > truly normal have TSI levels of <2% activity. You want your TSI to be > somewhere in that range before stopping PTU. Rather than decrease your PTU > dose, you may want to ask about adding a small amount of thryoid hormone. > This protocol is block and replace and it helps suppress the thyroid gland > even more than PTU alone. This will help slow your thyroid gland and antibody > production down faster. Take care, Elaine > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2003 Report Share Posted March 28, 2003 linda- those of us who never had to deal with medical jargon, or a medical condition, find it boggling at first- i just kept reading and reading and reading, sometimes the same stuff over and again before i kinda got it- that's where i am now. i know enough (and a little more) to manage my condition. Re: Lab results Thank you so much for your explanation, Elaine. I have such a hard time understanding what's going on or what to do. I'll definitely bring up the thyroid hormone to my endo in April. I really appreciate your response! > Hi , > PTU is helping to suppress your TSI level. Without the PTU it's likely that > your TSI level will rise and your hyper symptoms will return. People who are > truly normal have TSI levels of <2% activity. You want your TSI to be > somewhere in that range before stopping PTU. Rather than decrease your PTU > dose, you may want to ask about adding a small amount of thryoid hormone. > This protocol is block and replace and it helps suppress the thyroid gland > even more than PTU alone. This will help slow your thyroid gland and antibody > production down faster. Take care, Elaine > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 In a message dated 2/17/2005 10:37:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, liz@... writes: > FT3- 2.7 (2.3-4.2) > FT4- 1.19 (.61-1.76) > no wonder you're still having symptoms. how much armour are you on? you need to get those levels higher...especially that Free T3. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 In a message dated 2/17/2005 10:37:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, liz@... writes: > FT3- 2.7 (2.3-4.2) > FT4- 1.19 (.61-1.76) > no wonder you're still having symptoms. how much armour are you on? you need to get those levels higher...especially that Free T3. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 In a message dated 2/17/2005 10:59:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, liz@... writes: > Well, I'm not on anything yet as I keep being told I'm normal. . I'm > seeing a doctor next Tuesday to see if she will prescribe for me. > oh...check out this article and maybe give your doctor. it's about folks with hypo symptoms with low range labs (like yours). http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/.fulltext/9/2/157.pdf Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 In a message dated 2/17/2005 10:59:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, liz@... writes: > Well, I'm not on anything yet as I keep being told I'm normal. . I'm > seeing a doctor next Tuesday to see if she will prescribe for me. > oh...check out this article and maybe give your doctor. it's about folks with hypo symptoms with low range labs (like yours). http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/.fulltext/9/2/157.pdf Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 In a message dated 2/17/2005 10:59:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, liz@... writes: > Well, I'm not on anything yet as I keep being told I'm normal. . I'm > seeing a doctor next Tuesday to see if she will prescribe for me. > oh...check out this article and maybe give your doctor. it's about folks with hypo symptoms with low range labs (like yours). http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/.fulltext/9/2/157.pdf Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Well, I'm not on anything yet as I keep being told I'm normal. . I'm seeing a doctor next Tuesday to see if she will prescribe for me. _____ From: nc2406@... Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 7:39 PM To: NaturalThyroidHormones Subject: Re: Lab results In a message dated 2/17/2005 10:37:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, liz@... writes: > FT3- 2.7 (2.3-4.2) > FT4- 1.19 (.61-1.76) > no wonder you're still having symptoms. how much armour are you on? you need to get those levels higher...especially that Free T3. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 You can also go to www.armourthyroid.com, plug in your zip code and see a list of doctors who use Armour. They will often treat low-normals when others won't. Call the offices listed, give your numbers and ask if that's treatable. Even if you have to go outside your insurance plan to do this, it's really not that bad. My insurance covered mine, but if it hadn't, it would have been $120 for the appointment and $15/month for the script. Cheers, Friday > Well, I'm not on anything yet as I keep being told I'm normal. . I'm > seeing a doctor next Tuesday to see if she will prescribe for me. > > _____ > > From: nc2406@a... [mailto:nc2406@a...] > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 7:39 PM > To: NaturalThyroidHormones > Subject: Re: Lab results > > > In a message dated 2/17/2005 10:37:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, > liz@o... writes: > > > FT3- 2.7 (2.3-4.2) > > FT4- 1.19 (.61-1.76) > > > > no wonder you're still having symptoms. how much armour are you on? you > need > to get those levels higher...especially that Free T3. > cindi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 You can also go to www.armourthyroid.com, plug in your zip code and see a list of doctors who use Armour. They will often treat low-normals when others won't. Call the offices listed, give your numbers and ask if that's treatable. Even if you have to go outside your insurance plan to do this, it's really not that bad. My insurance covered mine, but if it hadn't, it would have been $120 for the appointment and $15/month for the script. Cheers, Friday > Well, I'm not on anything yet as I keep being told I'm normal. . I'm > seeing a doctor next Tuesday to see if she will prescribe for me. > > _____ > > From: nc2406@a... [mailto:nc2406@a...] > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 7:39 PM > To: NaturalThyroidHormones > Subject: Re: Lab results > > > In a message dated 2/17/2005 10:37:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, > liz@o... writes: > > > FT3- 2.7 (2.3-4.2) > > FT4- 1.19 (.61-1.76) > > > > no wonder you're still having symptoms. how much armour are you on? you > need > to get those levels higher...especially that Free T3. > cindi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 FT3 -2.5 (2.3-4.2) > DHEA 91.0 (32-240) > > My July labs were- > > FT3- 2.7 (2.3-4.2) > FT4- 1.19 (.61-1.76) _________________________ Your T3 is really low. Healthy people have T3 levels at the minumum above the midline of the range minimum and probably the healthiest peole have T3 in the upper 1/3 of the range. The midline is 3.25. Your T4 is not great either. You are right at the midline, which is 1.18. I personally have not seen one post on this site where people have said they felt good with numbers like these. Your DHEA is low. This is an indication of adrenal fatigue or low adrenal function. The amount of circulating thyroid hormone in the blood controls the size and output of the adrenal glands. So, if a person has been hypothyroid a long time, the adrenal glands become weak and smaller. The results usually show up as low or high DHEA. This is something you need to be concerned about if you go on thyroid. Ask your doctor for some adrenal support for a week before you start thyroid. About 95% of all doctors do not do this, even though there are dire warnings on thyroid medications about not giving thyroid when adrenal fatigue is present. This can send you to the hospital with an adrenal crisis. My first doctor did this to me and it had a disasterous effect on me. I became a total insomniac for months. I missed lots of work and became quite incapacitated. Giving thyroid to a person with impaired adrenal function causes accelerated depletion of adrenal hormones such as cortisol. When cortisol goes too low really bad things happen. You get sick, very weak and can have trouble with rgulating the heart. The other interesting thing about your labs is that your T3 is low with respect to T4. In thyroid failure or primary hypothyroidism, T3 usually is higher with respect to T4. As the thyroid gland fails and can't make enough hormone, it often compensates by making more T3 than T4 and the body compensates by increasing the conversion of the dwindling levels of T4 to T3. T4 is relaively inactive and T3 is the thyroid hormone that does most of the work of regulating the metabolism. So, by the thyroid making more T3 than T4 and the body converting at a higher rate, the body is able to get more energy from less thyroid. But, your situation is showing something different. Simple thyroid failure would show low T4 near the bottom of the range and T3 near the middle of the range. There is some indiction from your test results that you either have low adrenal fucntion and this is preventing you from making enough thyroid and from converting it to T3 adequately. When the adrenals are weak and don't make enough cortisol, then you cannot convert the inactive T4 to T3 well and it slows the thyroid down. This is making me wonder whether you have had a hysterectomy. Hysterectomy causes the adrenals to weaken and DHEA levels to drop by as much as half. The result is that often years after the surgery, hypothyroidism developes. All the endocrine glands are in a feedback loop and affect eachother. Another thing is that you may have secondary hypothyroidism or hypothyroidism caused by low pituitary function. The final thing that could be causing your T4 to be high with respect to T3 is that you have developed an auto-immune thryoid disease that is interfering with the production of T3 or conversion of T4 to T3. So, it would be a very good idea if you have your doctor run thryoid antibody tests. Lastly, HRT and birth control both have adverse affects on thryoid function. Added estrogen causes thryoid hormone to be tied up tightly to protiens in the blood and this makes it less available to tissues for energy. It also causes the thyroid glnd to slow down. Hypothryoidism itself causes excess estrogen to be made and estrogen dominance. High estrogen adversly affects the gallbladder and it is well known that HRT and the pill increase galbladder disease as well as hypthyridism due to it causing high estrogen. So, you might reevaluate your HRT and see about whether you can lower your estrogen as it seems like it is too high. This might help both the galbladder and the thyroid situation. Correcting hypothyroidism usually corrects high estorgen. Tinitis or ringing in the ears is a classic sign of hypthyroidism. This is what I had bfore my diagnosis. Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 FT3 -2.5 (2.3-4.2) > DHEA 91.0 (32-240) > > My July labs were- > > FT3- 2.7 (2.3-4.2) > FT4- 1.19 (.61-1.76) _________________________ Your T3 is really low. Healthy people have T3 levels at the minumum above the midline of the range minimum and probably the healthiest peole have T3 in the upper 1/3 of the range. The midline is 3.25. Your T4 is not great either. You are right at the midline, which is 1.18. I personally have not seen one post on this site where people have said they felt good with numbers like these. Your DHEA is low. This is an indication of adrenal fatigue or low adrenal function. The amount of circulating thyroid hormone in the blood controls the size and output of the adrenal glands. So, if a person has been hypothyroid a long time, the adrenal glands become weak and smaller. The results usually show up as low or high DHEA. This is something you need to be concerned about if you go on thyroid. Ask your doctor for some adrenal support for a week before you start thyroid. About 95% of all doctors do not do this, even though there are dire warnings on thyroid medications about not giving thyroid when adrenal fatigue is present. This can send you to the hospital with an adrenal crisis. My first doctor did this to me and it had a disasterous effect on me. I became a total insomniac for months. I missed lots of work and became quite incapacitated. Giving thyroid to a person with impaired adrenal function causes accelerated depletion of adrenal hormones such as cortisol. When cortisol goes too low really bad things happen. You get sick, very weak and can have trouble with rgulating the heart. The other interesting thing about your labs is that your T3 is low with respect to T4. In thyroid failure or primary hypothyroidism, T3 usually is higher with respect to T4. As the thyroid gland fails and can't make enough hormone, it often compensates by making more T3 than T4 and the body compensates by increasing the conversion of the dwindling levels of T4 to T3. T4 is relaively inactive and T3 is the thyroid hormone that does most of the work of regulating the metabolism. So, by the thyroid making more T3 than T4 and the body converting at a higher rate, the body is able to get more energy from less thyroid. But, your situation is showing something different. Simple thyroid failure would show low T4 near the bottom of the range and T3 near the middle of the range. There is some indiction from your test results that you either have low adrenal fucntion and this is preventing you from making enough thyroid and from converting it to T3 adequately. When the adrenals are weak and don't make enough cortisol, then you cannot convert the inactive T4 to T3 well and it slows the thyroid down. This is making me wonder whether you have had a hysterectomy. Hysterectomy causes the adrenals to weaken and DHEA levels to drop by as much as half. The result is that often years after the surgery, hypothyroidism developes. All the endocrine glands are in a feedback loop and affect eachother. Another thing is that you may have secondary hypothyroidism or hypothyroidism caused by low pituitary function. The final thing that could be causing your T4 to be high with respect to T3 is that you have developed an auto-immune thryoid disease that is interfering with the production of T3 or conversion of T4 to T3. So, it would be a very good idea if you have your doctor run thryoid antibody tests. Lastly, HRT and birth control both have adverse affects on thryoid function. Added estrogen causes thryoid hormone to be tied up tightly to protiens in the blood and this makes it less available to tissues for energy. It also causes the thyroid glnd to slow down. Hypothryoidism itself causes excess estrogen to be made and estrogen dominance. High estrogen adversly affects the gallbladder and it is well known that HRT and the pill increase galbladder disease as well as hypthyridism due to it causing high estrogen. So, you might reevaluate your HRT and see about whether you can lower your estrogen as it seems like it is too high. This might help both the galbladder and the thyroid situation. Correcting hypothyroidism usually corrects high estorgen. Tinitis or ringing in the ears is a classic sign of hypthyroidism. This is what I had bfore my diagnosis. Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 FT3 -2.5 (2.3-4.2) > DHEA 91.0 (32-240) > > My July labs were- > > FT3- 2.7 (2.3-4.2) > FT4- 1.19 (.61-1.76) _________________________ Your T3 is really low. Healthy people have T3 levels at the minumum above the midline of the range minimum and probably the healthiest peole have T3 in the upper 1/3 of the range. The midline is 3.25. Your T4 is not great either. You are right at the midline, which is 1.18. I personally have not seen one post on this site where people have said they felt good with numbers like these. Your DHEA is low. This is an indication of adrenal fatigue or low adrenal function. The amount of circulating thyroid hormone in the blood controls the size and output of the adrenal glands. So, if a person has been hypothyroid a long time, the adrenal glands become weak and smaller. The results usually show up as low or high DHEA. This is something you need to be concerned about if you go on thyroid. Ask your doctor for some adrenal support for a week before you start thyroid. About 95% of all doctors do not do this, even though there are dire warnings on thyroid medications about not giving thyroid when adrenal fatigue is present. This can send you to the hospital with an adrenal crisis. My first doctor did this to me and it had a disasterous effect on me. I became a total insomniac for months. I missed lots of work and became quite incapacitated. Giving thyroid to a person with impaired adrenal function causes accelerated depletion of adrenal hormones such as cortisol. When cortisol goes too low really bad things happen. You get sick, very weak and can have trouble with rgulating the heart. The other interesting thing about your labs is that your T3 is low with respect to T4. In thyroid failure or primary hypothyroidism, T3 usually is higher with respect to T4. As the thyroid gland fails and can't make enough hormone, it often compensates by making more T3 than T4 and the body compensates by increasing the conversion of the dwindling levels of T4 to T3. T4 is relaively inactive and T3 is the thyroid hormone that does most of the work of regulating the metabolism. So, by the thyroid making more T3 than T4 and the body converting at a higher rate, the body is able to get more energy from less thyroid. But, your situation is showing something different. Simple thyroid failure would show low T4 near the bottom of the range and T3 near the middle of the range. There is some indiction from your test results that you either have low adrenal fucntion and this is preventing you from making enough thyroid and from converting it to T3 adequately. When the adrenals are weak and don't make enough cortisol, then you cannot convert the inactive T4 to T3 well and it slows the thyroid down. This is making me wonder whether you have had a hysterectomy. Hysterectomy causes the adrenals to weaken and DHEA levels to drop by as much as half. The result is that often years after the surgery, hypothyroidism developes. All the endocrine glands are in a feedback loop and affect eachother. Another thing is that you may have secondary hypothyroidism or hypothyroidism caused by low pituitary function. The final thing that could be causing your T4 to be high with respect to T3 is that you have developed an auto-immune thryoid disease that is interfering with the production of T3 or conversion of T4 to T3. So, it would be a very good idea if you have your doctor run thryoid antibody tests. Lastly, HRT and birth control both have adverse affects on thryoid function. Added estrogen causes thryoid hormone to be tied up tightly to protiens in the blood and this makes it less available to tissues for energy. It also causes the thyroid glnd to slow down. Hypothryoidism itself causes excess estrogen to be made and estrogen dominance. High estrogen adversly affects the gallbladder and it is well known that HRT and the pill increase galbladder disease as well as hypthyridism due to it causing high estrogen. So, you might reevaluate your HRT and see about whether you can lower your estrogen as it seems like it is too high. This might help both the galbladder and the thyroid situation. Correcting hypothyroidism usually corrects high estorgen. Tinitis or ringing in the ears is a classic sign of hypthyroidism. This is what I had bfore my diagnosis. Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 Oh, and also, , get copies of all your lab work, MRIs, etc. Sometimes you can have them send you copies, some places you have to sign for them, such as Medical Records dept. in hospitals. If they say you have to pay for them, tell them that the records are for continuity of care, or write that on the release. Often the fee will be waived. But try to get them from the lab or wherever they were done. It's worse than pulling teeth to get them from your doctors, in my experience. Ramblin' Rose Moderator Reply-To: Neurosarcoidosis To: Neurosarcoidosis Subject: Re: to Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 21:08:30 -0800 (PST)Thanks T!My hct was 39.7 so I'm normal there. My dr says mynumbers are good but she never explains what theyshould be or anything.grannylunatic@...__________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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