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It's Depakote that should be avoided by mito people. It can be toxic to the liver, and can also lower carnitine levels. My carnitine levels have always been severely low so it was automatic that I had to be on high dose carnitine supplementation. I would think it would be important no matter how low the levels to be on some supplementation.

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Ok I know Depakene is not recommended in Mito, but what specifically shouldwe be looking for. Is it just the side effects listed to a greater degreeor is it something else?

Valproate (valproic acid), which is the medication in both Depakote and Depakene, can itself cause a "mito-like syndrome" which mimics the symptoms of mitochondrial disease. I know that Dr. Korson, in Boston, is not seeing new patients who are already on valproate until they have been weaned off of it. At least a couple of his potential patients had their symptoms resolve once they had discontinued valproate. I am not saying that this would happen in your case, only that it's possible.

My daughter was on Depakote for 5 years. It was started long before anyone suspected mito. Dr. Korson feels that it possibly contributed, along with several significant infections, to the downward spiral that led to her death last month.

Maggie

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My son has been on Depakene/Depakote for more than 9 years, since he turned 3 and started having seizures. He was started on the Depakene before anyone knew he had mito, and it turned out to be the only thing that kept his seizures under control. I have checked with multiple doctors every time there has been a UMDF conference (including Drs. Cohen and Shofner) and been told by all of them that as long as he has been on it this long without problems and as long as we monitor his liver function and blood, they think that it is OK to keep him on it (although obviously not ideal). I've also been told that when problems are going to arise, they usually arise early, so that a long history without problems may mean that it's safer. The main thing with my son is that the worst effects that he has from mito are when his seizures get out of control, and nothing but Depakene has ever helped. The e-mail about Dr. Korson (who was actually my son's doctor very briefly just before we moved away from Boston) was very troubling to me--I can't imagine what I'd do if a mito dr. refused to see my son because he's on Depakote; I'm sitting here stunned at the idea.

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My son has been on Depakene/Depakote for more than 9 years, since he turned 3 and started having seizures. He was started on the Depakene before anyone knew he had mito, and it turned out to be the only thing that kept his seizures under control. I have checked with multiple doctors every time there has been a UMDF conference (including Drs. Cohen and Shofner) and been told by all of them that as long as he has been on it this long without problems and as long as we monitor his liver function and blood, they think that it is OK to keep him on it (although obviously not ideal). I've also been told that when problems are going to arise, they usually arise early, so that a long history without problems may mean that it's safer. The main thing with my son is that the worst effects that he has from mito are when his seizures get out of control, and nothing but Depakene has ever helped. The e-mail about Dr. Korson (who was actually my son's doctor very briefly just before we moved away from Boston) was very troubling to me--I can't imagine what I'd do if a mito dr. refused to see my son because he's on Depakote; I'm sitting here stunned at the idea.

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My son has been on Depakene/Depakote for more than 9 years, since he turned 3 and started having seizures. He was started on the Depakene before anyone knew he had mito, and it turned out to be the only thing that kept his seizures under control. I have checked with multiple doctors every time there has been a UMDF conference (including Drs. Cohen and Shofner) and been told by all of them that as long as he has been on it this long without problems and as long as we monitor his liver function and blood, they think that it is OK to keep him on it (although obviously not ideal). I've also been told that when problems are going to arise, they usually arise early, so that a long history without problems may mean that it's safer. The main thing with my son is that the worst effects that he has from mito are when his seizures get out of control, and nothing but Depakene has ever helped. The e-mail about Dr. Korson (who was actually my son's doctor very briefly just before we moved away from Boston) was very troubling to me--I can't imagine what I'd do if a mito dr. refused to see my son because he's on Depakote; I'm sitting here stunned at the idea.

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The e-mail about Dr. Korson (who was actually my son's doctor very briefly just before we moved away from Boston) was very troubling to me--I can't imagine what I'd do if a mito dr. refused to see my son because he's on Depakote; I'm sitting here stunned at the idea.

Hi ,

I can't imagine that Dr. Korson is totally inflexible about this. Obviously, your son's history is unique.

Maggie

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My daughter andra died 10 years

ago from depakote hepatoxicity. She was 4 years old and had been taking the

drug for 9 weeks, with no previous indications of liver problems. Her liver

failure was sudden and dramatic, much as Melody has described in , and

though she underwent a liver transplant it did not save her. Her mito was undiagnosed at the

time, but she was basically a high-functioning normally developed child with a

mild seizure disorder. There are a lot of myths out there about depakote, including

that the toxicity occurs only in the first weeks of therapy. In fact there have

been several documented cases of patients succumbing to depakote toxicity after

some years on the drug. I do understand the dilemma of parents who have no

other choice for their child, but it is a complex drug and its use requires

careful monitoring in the mito population. Our pediatric gastroenterologist told us after Ally’s

death that while many drugs can be lethal in overdose, there aren’t many

that can kill you outright within therapeutic doses and depakote is one of

those. If I had to have a child on depakote today, I would insist on regular

liver function tests – fortnightly, probably, and certainly any time

there is a viral illness. The reaction in the liver is insidious, and will show

up in blood tests sometimes weeks before there are clinical symptoms. Carnitine

should always be taken in conjunction with depakote, as it has been shown to

have some protective value. In fact high dose carnitine is one of the things

they use to treat people in liver failure.

Lynne

(Mummy of and Angus, both in heaven)

-----Original

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From: Melody

Sent: Monday, 12 January 2004

11:54 AM

To: Mito

Subject: Re: Depakene

After just 2 weeks on

Depakene, my daughter went into full blown liver failure and almost

died. Her abdomen swelled, she was very jaundiced (orange)

and had generalized edema as well. Symptoms started

with extreme lethargy, nausea and dehydration and progressed to near

death overnight (literally). She was in intensive care for a month and was

taken off Depakene immediately. Once she stabilized, a liver biopsy was

performed and she was found to have cirrhosis. She had not had any abnormal

liver functions, jaundice or any indication of liver disease prior to taking

the Depakene. The liver specialist was unable to determine if

the Depakene caused this condition or else exacerbated an already present

liver condition that we were unaware of. Ironically, Depakene was the

only thing that had controlled her seizures up to this point and she had been

on EVERYTHING on the market. , passed away thi! s

past Oct. 5, nine years later, from complications of liver and renal

failure.

Melody (mom to precious

angel ~ 5/24/93-10/5/03~, and Matt -age 16)

wrote:

Ok I

know Depakene is not recommended in Mito, but what specifically should

we be looking for. Is it just the side

effects listed to a greater degree

or is it something else? How do you tell

when a lot of the side effects are

things we see every day? How bad is it to

continue with an already low

Carnitine level? We just got Will's back

yesterday and it was listed as

moderatley low.

For those of you with low Carnitine levels when do

your doctors start to

worry about them?

Thank you for any help you can give us. We

have a Dr who knows nothing and

is no help in any of this.

Sarsh

Please

contact mito-owner with any problems or questions.

Yahoo!

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My daughter andra died 10 years

ago from depakote hepatoxicity. She was 4 years old and had been taking the

drug for 9 weeks, with no previous indications of liver problems. Her liver

failure was sudden and dramatic, much as Melody has described in , and

though she underwent a liver transplant it did not save her. Her mito was undiagnosed at the

time, but she was basically a high-functioning normally developed child with a

mild seizure disorder. There are a lot of myths out there about depakote, including

that the toxicity occurs only in the first weeks of therapy. In fact there have

been several documented cases of patients succumbing to depakote toxicity after

some years on the drug. I do understand the dilemma of parents who have no

other choice for their child, but it is a complex drug and its use requires

careful monitoring in the mito population. Our pediatric gastroenterologist told us after Ally’s

death that while many drugs can be lethal in overdose, there aren’t many

that can kill you outright within therapeutic doses and depakote is one of

those. If I had to have a child on depakote today, I would insist on regular

liver function tests – fortnightly, probably, and certainly any time

there is a viral illness. The reaction in the liver is insidious, and will show

up in blood tests sometimes weeks before there are clinical symptoms. Carnitine

should always be taken in conjunction with depakote, as it has been shown to

have some protective value. In fact high dose carnitine is one of the things

they use to treat people in liver failure.

Lynne

(Mummy of and Angus, both in heaven)

-----Original

Message-----

From: Melody

Sent: Monday, 12 January 2004

11:54 AM

To: Mito

Subject: Re: Depakene

After just 2 weeks on

Depakene, my daughter went into full blown liver failure and almost

died. Her abdomen swelled, she was very jaundiced (orange)

and had generalized edema as well. Symptoms started

with extreme lethargy, nausea and dehydration and progressed to near

death overnight (literally). She was in intensive care for a month and was

taken off Depakene immediately. Once she stabilized, a liver biopsy was

performed and she was found to have cirrhosis. She had not had any abnormal

liver functions, jaundice or any indication of liver disease prior to taking

the Depakene. The liver specialist was unable to determine if

the Depakene caused this condition or else exacerbated an already present

liver condition that we were unaware of. Ironically, Depakene was the

only thing that had controlled her seizures up to this point and she had been

on EVERYTHING on the market. , passed away thi! s

past Oct. 5, nine years later, from complications of liver and renal

failure.

Melody (mom to precious

angel ~ 5/24/93-10/5/03~, and Matt -age 16)

wrote:

Ok I

know Depakene is not recommended in Mito, but what specifically should

we be looking for. Is it just the side

effects listed to a greater degree

or is it something else? How do you tell

when a lot of the side effects are

things we see every day? How bad is it to

continue with an already low

Carnitine level? We just got Will's back

yesterday and it was listed as

moderatley low.

For those of you with low Carnitine levels when do

your doctors start to

worry about them?

Thank you for any help you can give us. We

have a Dr who knows nothing and

is no help in any of this.

Sarsh

Please

contact mito-owner with any problems or questions.

Yahoo!

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web, go to:

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My daughter andra died 10 years

ago from depakote hepatoxicity. She was 4 years old and had been taking the

drug for 9 weeks, with no previous indications of liver problems. Her liver

failure was sudden and dramatic, much as Melody has described in , and

though she underwent a liver transplant it did not save her. Her mito was undiagnosed at the

time, but she was basically a high-functioning normally developed child with a

mild seizure disorder. There are a lot of myths out there about depakote, including

that the toxicity occurs only in the first weeks of therapy. In fact there have

been several documented cases of patients succumbing to depakote toxicity after

some years on the drug. I do understand the dilemma of parents who have no

other choice for their child, but it is a complex drug and its use requires

careful monitoring in the mito population. Our pediatric gastroenterologist told us after Ally’s

death that while many drugs can be lethal in overdose, there aren’t many

that can kill you outright within therapeutic doses and depakote is one of

those. If I had to have a child on depakote today, I would insist on regular

liver function tests – fortnightly, probably, and certainly any time

there is a viral illness. The reaction in the liver is insidious, and will show

up in blood tests sometimes weeks before there are clinical symptoms. Carnitine

should always be taken in conjunction with depakote, as it has been shown to

have some protective value. In fact high dose carnitine is one of the things

they use to treat people in liver failure.

Lynne

(Mummy of and Angus, both in heaven)

-----Original

Message-----

From: Melody

Sent: Monday, 12 January 2004

11:54 AM

To: Mito

Subject: Re: Depakene

After just 2 weeks on

Depakene, my daughter went into full blown liver failure and almost

died. Her abdomen swelled, she was very jaundiced (orange)

and had generalized edema as well. Symptoms started

with extreme lethargy, nausea and dehydration and progressed to near

death overnight (literally). She was in intensive care for a month and was

taken off Depakene immediately. Once she stabilized, a liver biopsy was

performed and she was found to have cirrhosis. She had not had any abnormal

liver functions, jaundice or any indication of liver disease prior to taking

the Depakene. The liver specialist was unable to determine if

the Depakene caused this condition or else exacerbated an already present

liver condition that we were unaware of. Ironically, Depakene was the

only thing that had controlled her seizures up to this point and she had been

on EVERYTHING on the market. , passed away thi! s

past Oct. 5, nine years later, from complications of liver and renal

failure.

Melody (mom to precious

angel ~ 5/24/93-10/5/03~, and Matt -age 16)

wrote:

Ok I

know Depakene is not recommended in Mito, but what specifically should

we be looking for. Is it just the side

effects listed to a greater degree

or is it something else? How do you tell

when a lot of the side effects are

things we see every day? How bad is it to

continue with an already low

Carnitine level? We just got Will's back

yesterday and it was listed as

moderatley low.

For those of you with low Carnitine levels when do

your doctors start to

worry about them?

Thank you for any help you can give us. We

have a Dr who knows nothing and

is no help in any of this.

Sarsh

Please

contact mito-owner with any problems or questions.

Yahoo!

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·

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web, go to:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Mito/

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Thank you all for your responses. I just heard from the Neuro that

prescribed it and he told us to stop. He wants to see Will ASAP just

waiting on referrals. Hopefully we'll hear something tomm.

Thanks

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Thank you all for your responses. I just heard from the Neuro that

prescribed it and he told us to stop. He wants to see Will ASAP just

waiting on referrals. Hopefully we'll hear something tomm.

Thanks

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Carnitine and Seizure meds require balance like a teeter-totter. Increasing carnitine can cause more seizures or a decrease in the therapeutic level of certain seizure drugs. In addition, Depakote and other seizure meds (not sure exactly which ones) can decrease a persons carnitine levels. I attended the UMDF conference in Cleveland where they presented a case in which a person with mito benefited with taking Depakote for I believe it was cardiac (heart failure?). So unfortunately what normally causes harm for some can be beneficial for others. I will see if I can find the article or website about it but I have changed computers and don't believe I still have that info. HTH,

Loriann

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Carnitine and Seizure meds require balance like a teeter-totter. Increasing carnitine can cause more seizures or a decrease in the therapeutic level of certain seizure drugs. In addition, Depakote and other seizure meds (not sure exactly which ones) can decrease a persons carnitine levels. I attended the UMDF conference in Cleveland where they presented a case in which a person with mito benefited with taking Depakote for I believe it was cardiac (heart failure?). So unfortunately what normally causes harm for some can be beneficial for others. I will see if I can find the article or website about it but I have changed computers and don't believe I still have that info. HTH,

Loriann

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Carnitine and Seizure meds require balance like a teeter-totter. Increasing carnitine can cause more seizures or a decrease in the therapeutic level of certain seizure drugs. In addition, Depakote and other seizure meds (not sure exactly which ones) can decrease a persons carnitine levels. I attended the UMDF conference in Cleveland where they presented a case in which a person with mito benefited with taking Depakote for I believe it was cardiac (heart failure?). So unfortunately what normally causes harm for some can be beneficial for others. I will see if I can find the article or website about it but I have changed computers and don't believe I still have that info. HTH,

Loriann

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