Re: HELP!!!!!!

[Guest guest]

Which enzyme are you using from Kirkman? How long have you been

using them? I am using the complete formula with my 3 (almost 4)year

old daughter. She has been on the diet almost 8 months now. I

started out using Houston enzymes, but since I order everything else

from Kirkman I decided to give them a try. We have seen an increase

in my daughters language and interacting with other children. Her

stools are also formed, after 3 years of loose stools.

Some on this board have seen positive results after a few weeks. I

think I remember a couple different people posting it took as long as

8 weeks and then they saw changes. The main reason I am using the

Kirkman enzymes is because it is a more complete formula (hence the

name enzyme complete) in one capsule. You can get basically the same

with purchasing both Houston's products. The Zyme Prime and the

Peptizide. I didn't want the hassle of knowing which enzyme was

which when I can get it all in one enzyme. Liz

> Hey, I am new to this board. I am the Mother of a 2 year old

little

> boy with ASD. We have been on GFCF Diet for 4 months now, and

using

> several supplements (we see Dr. Megson). I am not seeing

> results (GI changes that is) from either the diet or enzymes. I

have

> been using Kirkman's enzymes and am just wondering if anyone has

had

> better results from Houston's enzymes? Please share any info you

> have on this. Thanks

[Guest guest]

---My son is 11. I have him on Houston enzymes, they are specially

formulated for gluten and casein.

I am also chelating heavy metals, (mercury poisoning from vaccines

and Mom's fillings) and find that I am able to let him have some

gluten and casein without the effects he used to have.

Lindy

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n @y..., " littlemansmom00 " <lauradriver@a...> wrote:

> Hey, I am new to this board. I am the Mother of a 2 year old

little

> boy with ASD. We have been on GFCF Diet for 4 months now, and

using

> several supplements (we see Dr. Megson). I am not seeing

> results (GI changes that is) from either the diet or enzymes. I

have

> been using Kirkman's enzymes and am just wondering if anyone has

had

> better results from Houston's enzymes? Please share any info you

> have on this. Thanks

[Guest guest]

Hi

I have only used Kirkman sample but son reacted wildly. We have been using

HNI enzymes to be off the DIET for 13 months now. We have seen great

improvements in health and behaviour, particularly normalisation of stools.

HNI are specific whereas Kirkman is 'Complete'. But that is 'completely'

without No Fenol. After starting on very high doses, being nervous of

regression, gave us hyper for extended period - yeast die off. Plus we found

it still wise to avoid MSG and Asapartame, we remain low sugar due to avoid

yeast. Most recently we are using 1/2 cap of each Pep, Zyme & No Fenol, this

is working well.

HNI enzymes are the last supplement I would stop for my son who is 5 and on

about 15 different things due to chelation.

HTH

Mandi in UK

> Thanks Liz. I too am using the Kirkman's complete enzymes, but have

> heard that the types of enzymes differ between Kirkman's and

> Houston's. I have had my son on them for a while now and am not

> seeing any changes. Still has loose stools. I too order everthing

> else from Kirkman's and that is why I havent' thought to try

> Houston's yet. However, I think it may be worth a shot. I hope to

> see the results you have in you child. Thanks again for the info.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Liz. I too am using the Kirkman's complete enzymes, but have

heard that the types of enzymes differ between Kirkman's and

Houston's. I have had my son on them for a while now and am not

seeing any changes. Still has loose stools. I too order everthing

else from Kirkman's and that is why I havent' thought to try

Houston's yet. However, I think it may be worth a shot. I hope to

see the results you have in you child. Thanks again for the info.

> > Hey, I am new to this board. I am the Mother of a 2 year old

> little

> > boy with ASD. We have been on GFCF Diet for 4 months now, and

> using

> > several supplements (we see Dr. Megson). I am not seeing

> > results (GI changes that is) from either the diet or enzymes. I

> have

> > been using Kirkman's enzymes and am just wondering if anyone has

> had

> > better results from Houston's enzymes? Please share any info you

> > have on this. Thanks

[Guest guest]

That is great! I have heard others saythe same thing. My son's

gladiomorphine is outrageous, however his caseomorphine is below

normal. Weird huh! I just haven't seen the results I had hoped for

with Kirkman's enzymes and think I will give Houston's a try. Aren't

they different enzymes all together? Thanks.

> > Hey, I am new to this board. I am the Mother of a 2 year old

> little

> > boy with ASD. We have been on GFCF Diet for 4 months now, and

> using

> > several supplements (we see Dr. Megson). I am not seeing

> > results (GI changes that is) from either the diet or enzymes. I

> have

> > been using Kirkman's enzymes and am just wondering if anyone has

> had

> > better results from Houston's enzymes? Please share any info you

> > have on this. Thanks

[Guest guest]

---The two biggest things that I did that changed my sons stools were

fight yeast and bacteria and along with the Houston enzymes I started

the no-fenol. I think it was the no-fenol in the end that was the

icing on the cake for my son and his bowels. THey really straightened

out wiht the addition of no-fenol. Just our experience.

Patti

In @y..., " littlemansmom00 " <lauradriver@a...> wrote:

> Thanks Liz. I too am using the Kirkman's complete enzymes, but have

> heard that the types of enzymes differ between Kirkman's and

> Houston's. I have had my son on them for a while now and am not

> seeing any changes. Still has loose stools. I too order everthing

> else from Kirkman's and that is why I havent' thought to try

> Houston's yet. However, I think it may be worth a shot. I hope to

> see the results you have in you child. Thanks again for the info.

>

>

> > > Hey, I am new to this board. I am the Mother of a 2 year old

> > little

> > > boy with ASD. We have been on GFCF Diet for 4 months now, and

> > using

> > > several supplements (we see Dr. Megson). I am not seeing

> > > results (GI changes that is) from either the diet or enzymes. I

> > have

> > > been using Kirkman's enzymes and am just wondering if anyone has

> > had

> > > better results from Houston's enzymes? Please share any info you

> > > have on this. Thanks

[Guest guest]

Hi Rosie

I guess knowing what we know now (HNI were very new when we started) I think

maybe go with HN-Zyme, starting gradually 1/4 cap or so one meal per day and

work up slowly to cover all food and snacks. Any problems, post to the board,

lots of experince here. Then I would do Pep and then add No Fenol unless your

child has PST or phenol problems in which case I'd start with that. The idea

is that Zyme is overall good digestive aid, usually well tolerated. Even

strict CFGF people have seen further 'withdrawl' type symptoms with Pep, the

same as you might have experinced with diet. This usually passes in three

weeks or so. For us No Fenol has been like the icing on the cake - didn't

even figure we had a fenol problem but we did notice when it went away! LOL

Also we are chelating and Sam is prone to yeast, small regular doses are

keeping yeast at bay - keep pinching myself, can't beleive the difference.

Experince has shown posting to board to troubleshoot helps sort out any

problems, posting your successes makes evrybody smile!

HTH

Mandi in UK (Poole South Coast - where are you?)

> hi everyone i`m new to this group and have been reading your e-mails with

> great interest, however i`m a bit confused where to start, my daughter whom

> has autism and is nonverbal is on a g/f diet which has cured her bowel

> problems but i would like to try enzymes could anyone give me some help

> what to try first please? thanks from rosie ( i lve in the uk) take care .

> Mum231ASD@... wrote: Hi

> I have only used Kirkman sample but son reacted wildly. We have been using

> HNI enzymes to be off the DIET for 13 months now. We have seen great

> improvements in health and behaviour, particularly normalisation of stools.

>

>

> HNI are specific whereas Kirkman is 'Complete'. But that is 'completely'

> without No Fenol. After starting on very high doses, being nervous of

> regression, gave us hyper for extended period - yeast die off. Plus we

> found

> it still wise to avoid MSG and Asapartame, we remain low sugar due to avoid

>

> yeast. Most recently we are using 1/2 cap of each Pep, Zyme & No Fenol,

> this

> is working well.

>

> HNI enzymes are the last supplement I would stop for my son who is 5 and on

>

> about 15 different things due to chelation.

> HTH

> Mandi in UK

>

> > Thanks Liz. I too am using the Kirkman's complete enzymes, but have

> > heard that the types of enzymes differ between Kirkman's and

> > Houston's. I have had my son on them for a while now and am not

> > seeing any changes. Still has loose stools. I too order everthing

> > else from Kirkman's and that is why I havent' thought to try

> > Houston's yet. However, I think it may be worth a shot. I hope to

> > see the results you have in you child. Thanks again for the info.

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

hi everyone i`m new to this group and have been reading your e-mails with great

interest, however i`m a bit confused where to start, my daughter whom has autism

and is nonverbal is on a g/f diet which has cured her bowel problems but i would

like to try enzymes could anyone give me some help what to try first please?

thanks from rosie ( i lve in the uk) take care .

Mum231ASD@... wrote: Hi

I have only used Kirkman sample but son reacted wildly. We have been using

HNI enzymes to be off the DIET for 13 months now. We have seen great

improvements in health and behaviour, particularly normalisation of stools.

HNI are specific whereas Kirkman is 'Complete'. But that is 'completely'

without No Fenol. After starting on very high doses, being nervous of

regression, gave us hyper for extended period - yeast die off. Plus we found

it still wise to avoid MSG and Asapartame, we remain low sugar due to avoid

yeast. Most recently we are using 1/2 cap of each Pep, Zyme & No Fenol, this

is working well.

HNI enzymes are the last supplement I would stop for my son who is 5 and on

about 15 different things due to chelation.

HTH

Mandi in UK

> Thanks Liz. I too am using the Kirkman's complete enzymes, but have

> heard that the types of enzymes differ between Kirkman's and

> Houston's. I have had my son on them for a while now and am not

> seeing any changes. Still has loose stools. I too order everthing

> else from Kirkman's and that is why I havent' thought to try

> Houston's yet. However, I think it may be worth a shot. I hope to

> see the results you have in you child. Thanks again for the info.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much for this info. I think you and others have managed to

convince me to give HNI a try. We will see what happens.

> Hi

> I have only used Kirkman sample but son reacted wildly. We have

been using

> HNI enzymes to be off the DIET for 13 months now. We have seen

great

> improvements in health and behaviour, particularly normalisation of

stools.

>

> HNI are specific whereas Kirkman is 'Complete'. But that

is 'completely'

> without No Fenol. After starting on very high doses, being nervous

of

> regression, gave us hyper for extended period - yeast die off. Plus

we found

> it still wise to avoid MSG and Asapartame, we remain low sugar due

to avoid

> yeast. Most recently we are using 1/2 cap of each Pep, Zyme & No

Fenol, this

> is working well.

>

> HNI enzymes are the last supplement I would stop for my son who is

5 and on

> about 15 different things due to chelation.

> HTH

> Mandi in UK

>

> > Thanks Liz. I too am using the Kirkman's complete enzymes, but

have

> > heard that the types of enzymes differ between Kirkman's and

> > Houston's. I have had my son on them for a while now and am not

> > seeing any changes. Still has loose stools. I too order

everthing

> > else from Kirkman's and that is why I havent' thought to try

> > Houston's yet. However, I think it may be worth a shot. I hope

to

> > see the results you have in you child. Thanks again for the info.

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Patti. I will try them. Did you recently hear about a prob

with the No phenol? There was an article that had something negative

about it and I am not sure what it was. I would like to try them,

but just want to be certain it is safe. Thanks again for your info.

> > > > Hey, I am new to this board. I am the Mother of a 2 year old

> > > little

> > > > boy with ASD. We have been on GFCF Diet for 4 months now,

and

> > > using

> > > > several supplements (we see Dr. Megson). I am not

seeing

> > > > results (GI changes that is) from either the diet or

enzymes. I

> > > have

> > > > been using Kirkman's enzymes and am just wondering if anyone

has

> > > had

> > > > better results from Houston's enzymes? Please share any info

you

> > > > have on this. Thanks

[Guest guest]

--,

the article was written full of misinformation. It is so long and

agravating I cannot go into it right now but but basically the person

wrighting the article did not understand the mechanism behind the way

no-fenol has worked. The article sais something to the effect that the

no-fenol stopped the absorbtion of tyrosine but in fact it HELPS with

the absorbtion of tyrosine. My son showed up deficient in tyrosine on

his amino acids profile before starting no-fenol. I think he showed

such great improvements on it because he was finally getting the

tyrosine he so desperately needed. It is unfortunate but in this

everchanging world of autism and its therapies there are some big

names getting left behind and they are bitter about it hence the

article. I feel completely confident giving no-fenol to my son, I

wouldn't dream of NOT giving it to him.

Patti

- In @y..., " littlemansmom00 " <lauradriver@a...> wrote:

> Thanks Patti. I will try them. Did you recently hear about a prob

> with the No phenol? There was an article that had something negative

> about it and I am not sure what it was. I would like to try them,

> but just want to be certain it is safe. Thanks again for your info.

>

>

> > > > > Hey, I am new to this board. I am the Mother of a 2 year old

> > > > little

> > > > > boy with ASD. We have been on GFCF Diet for 4 months now,

> and

> > > > using

> > > > > several supplements (we see Dr. Megson). I am not

> seeing

> > > > > results (GI changes that is) from either the diet or

> enzymes. I

> > > > have

> > > > > been using Kirkman's enzymes and am just wondering if anyone

> has

> > > > had

> > > > > better results from Houston's enzymes? Please share any info

> you

> > > > > have on this. Thanks

[Guest guest]

Okay thanks Patti. I believe you are right in this as so many others

have confirmed the same thing. I ordered both No Fenol, peptizyde

and Zyme Prime last night. Are they pretty good about getting your

order to you quickly? I am really anxious to get them started.

Thanks

> > > > > > Hey, I am new to this board. I am the Mother of a 2 year

old

> > > > > little

> > > > > > boy with ASD. We have been on GFCF Diet for 4 months

now,

> > and

> > > > > using

> > > > > > several supplements (we see Dr. Megson). I am not

> > seeing

> > > > > > results (GI changes that is) from either the diet or

> > enzymes. I

> > > > > have

> > > > > > been using Kirkman's enzymes and am just wondering if

anyone

> > has

> > > > > had

> > > > > > better results from Houston's enzymes? Please share any

info

> > you

> > > > > > have on this. Thanks

[Guest guest]

--Yes I usually get mine in 3 days. I remember when I was waiting for

my no-fenol delivery, I got the package in the mail and was so excited

I ripped the box to shreds opening it! (chuckle)

Patti

- In @y..., " littlemansmom00 " <lauradriver@a...> wrote:

> Okay thanks Patti. I believe you are right in this as so many others

> have confirmed the same thing. I ordered both No Fenol, peptizyde

> and Zyme Prime last night. Are they pretty good about getting your

> order to you quickly? I am really anxious to get them started.

> Thanks

>

>

> > > > > > > Hey, I am new to this board. I am the Mother of a 2 year

> old

> > > > > > little

> > > > > > > boy with ASD. We have been on GFCF Diet for 4 months

> now,

> > > and

> > > > > > using

> > > > > > > several supplements (we see Dr. Megson). I am not

> > > seeing

> > > > > > > results (GI changes that is) from either the diet or

> > > enzymes. I

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > been using Kirkman's enzymes and am just wondering if

> anyone

> > > has

> > > > > > had

> > > > > > > better results from Houston's enzymes? Please share any

> info

> > > you

> > > > > > > have on this. Thanks

[Guest guest]

hi mandi, thanks for your e-mail, i live in hampshire near the coast. i must

sound silly but how do you know if your child has phenol problems? and what is

pst? sorry i but my friends who have asd children dont believe diet can help.so

this group is going to help josie so much. also where do you order your

medicines from? i have had her on efalex for 4 months now and have seen sucess

in her concentration at school and home also her general understanding of speech

has improved, would adding the hn-zyme etc be ok with the eflax? sorry for

asking soooo many questions from rosie.

Mum231ASD@... wrote: Hi Rosie

I guess knowing what we know now (HNI were very new when we started) I think

maybe go with HN-Zyme, starting gradually 1/4 cap or so one meal per day and

work up slowly to cover all food and snacks. Any problems, post to the board,

lots of experince here. Then I would do Pep and then add No Fenol unless your

child has PST or phenol problems in which case I'd start with that. The idea

is that Zyme is overall good digestive aid, usually well tolerated. Even

strict CFGF people have seen further 'withdrawl' type symptoms with Pep, the

same as you might have experinced with diet. This usually passes in three

weeks or so. For us No Fenol has been like the icing on the cake - didn't

even figure we had a fenol problem but we did notice when it went away! LOL

Also we are chelating and Sam is prone to yeast, small regular doses are

keeping yeast at bay - keep pinching myself, can't beleive the difference.

Experince has shown posting to board to troubleshoot helps sort out any

problems, posting your successes makes evrybody smile!

HTH

Mandi in UK (Poole South Coast - where are you?)

> hi everyone i`m new to this group and have been reading your e-mails with

> great interest, however i`m a bit confused where to start, my daughter whom

> has autism and is nonverbal is on a g/f diet which has cured her bowel

> problems but i would like to try enzymes could anyone give me some help

> what to try first please? thanks from rosie ( i lve in the uk) take care .

> Mum231ASD@... wrote: Hi

> I have only used Kirkman sample but son reacted wildly. We have been using

> HNI enzymes to be off the DIET for 13 months now. We have seen great

> improvements in health and behaviour, particularly normalisation of stools.

>

>

> HNI are specific whereas Kirkman is 'Complete'. But that is 'completely'

> without No Fenol. After starting on very high doses, being nervous of

> regression, gave us hyper for extended period - yeast die off. Plus we

> found

> it still wise to avoid MSG and Asapartame, we remain low sugar due to avoid

>

> yeast. Most recently we are using 1/2 cap of each Pep, Zyme & No Fenol,

> this

> is working well.

>

> HNI enzymes are the last supplement I would stop for my son who is 5 and on

>

> about 15 different things due to chelation.

> HTH

> Mandi in UK

>

> > Thanks Liz. I too am using the Kirkman's complete enzymes, but have

> > heard that the types of enzymes differ between Kirkman's and

> > Houston's. I have had my son on them for a while now and am not

> > seeing any changes. Still has loose stools. I too order everthing

> > else from Kirkman's and that is why I havent' thought to try

> > Houston's yet. However, I think it may be worth a shot. I hope to

> > see the results you have in you child. Thanks again for the info.

> >

>

>

>