Guest guest Posted September 10, 1998 Report Share Posted September 10, 1998 Hi, Sorry I left out link information regarding , Vaccinations. The Ungodly Practice.Wait untill you read this. http://www.konformist.com/vaccine.htm http://www.konformist.com Vaccinationsonelist wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 1998 Report Share Posted September 11, 1998 Hi, have some great new sites to add to our ever growing list, all concerned with the dangers and risks of vaccines. http://www.909shot.com/ http://www.access1.net/via/ http://www.ccid.org/safety/vaccine.html http://www.unidial.com/~metroprint/pave2.html http://www.unc.edu/~aphillip/www/vaccine/informed.htm Vaccinationsonelist wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 1999 Report Share Posted July 16, 1999 i have a question. i know this doesn't have anything to do with the body or bath, but does anybody have a recipe for a carpet freshner or a room freshner? i have tried a few and they don't really work. so if you have any recipes, please let me know. okay, that is all for now. let me go get a recipe and i will be right back! kris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 1999 Report Share Posted July 17, 1999 , have you tried using about 1/2 cup of corn starch mixed with 4-5 drops of essential oils? I also use a mist of distilled water and essential oils in a fine-spray bottle. I order my oils from Nature's Sunshine. They are very concentrated. On Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:13:01 -0500, wrote: > From: " " <bjohnson@...> > > i have a question. i know this doesn't have anything to do with the body or > bath, but does anybody have a recipe for a carpet freshner or a room > freshner? i have tried a few and they don't really work. so if you have any > recipes, please let me know. okay, that is all for now. let me go get a > recipe and i will be right back! > > kris > > > --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 1999 Report Share Posted July 17, 1999 i've heard that using equal amounts of baking soda and borax and adding cinnamon or another herb scent that you like works well, havent tried it myself though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 1999 Report Share Posted July 17, 1999 I wish to be deleted from this list! The reason I joined was to GET recipes because I have no idea how to make them myself. You are the ones that created the list and I understand that you shouldn't have to do all the work. But, to call your subscribers lazy is just plain RUDE. Please remove me from your mailing list NOW. I hope you have more success in the future with your online endeavours. And remember that people are more likely to respond to your posts asking for recipes if you don't call those that don't post lazy. --- onelist wrote: > > --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 1999 Report Share Posted December 21, 1999 Enough already!!! is doing the best she can. I got accidentally dropped in the move - all I did was go to the library page and re-subscribe. If you want to unsubscribe - go to www.onelist.com. Go to Myonelist. There should be a list of communities you belong to and instructions on how to unsubscribe. If you want to change your format (individual or daily digest) - same thing. OK - last time I checked, I wasn't paying for this service. If we keep up the crap we aren't going to have a list to call home. Goddess love ya - you have a lot more patience than I do. To all the newbies - sorry. This is usually a great bunch of people. Holiday stress and all. Now let's make some toiletries!! If anyone has a problem with my personal opinion - please mail me privately. We all have seen enough sniping lately. May the season bring joy and love to you and yours. tracey http://community.webtv.net/omirus/HERBFULHINTS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2000 Report Share Posted January 29, 2000 !!! Great job!!!! (See, you knew that this was just the time to spring some new GOOD stuff for Mom- you just had to wait for Dad to leave first! Wow, Sherrie, that is just the best news. I'll bet this new surge of independence for will trickle down into other things as well. Is she acting proud of herself? Or nonchalant? Hannah!!!! Nice going too, young lady! Showing your Mom your independence, eh? Pam, thanks for sharing such good news. I hope this is going to be an omen for all the rest of us- that we're going to see amazing things from our kids. Pam, it sounds like school is actually doing what it is supposed to be doing- teaching your kid! I remembered last year when PB was learning stuff at school instead of from us or on his own, I told his teacher " Not only is he having a great time at school, he's actually learning stuff!! " How novel. Actually, I loved your description of Hannah's dancing. Tell me, did she walk outside on her own, or did you take her outside to see what she would do? And how does she react to this new state of independence? Does she act pleased with herself? Does she respond to your praising her? Wow. This is just so encouraging. , it just sounds like these meds are having a rebound effect on poor . (Poor you too!) None of this sounds good. I just read somewhere (maybe it was that Medline article) that melotinin doesns't work as well in larger doses. I must say, it also sounds like the Clonidine is no longer doing what it should be doing. It can stop being effective. I think it you stop taking it for a while it can work when you start it up later, but it sure doesn't sound like the right match for . He sounds completely wired up. I hope this doctor you're seeing takes this seriously. You should be able to stop the melatonin and the benadryl, since they're OTC drugs, but you know that the Clonidine has to be decreased slowly if that's going to be changed, don' t you? Currently we are gradually cutting back on PB's Clonidine as it does take up to a week to see the initial benefits of the respirodal, and even longer for greatest benefit. Joan, thanks for the blow-by -blow about the weight gain on resperidol. I'll e-mail you PB's " vitals " . Sounds like the new list is getting close to normal! I sure hope everybody ends up back here. Warm hugs to y'all MB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2000 Report Share Posted January 30, 2000 In a message dated 1/29/0 10:26:29 PM, paul.3@... writes: << Actually, I loved your description of Hannah's dancing. Tell me, did she walk outside on her own, or did you take her outside to see what she would do? And how does she react to this new state of independence? Does she act pleased with herself? Does she respond to your praising her? >> Hannah is getting alot of music therapy at school and although she has a nice inner beat all her own they are trying to get her to pick up an external beat which should help in alot of other areas. It is great that she likes music as it is so helpful in so many ways and helps her stay focused and less self abusive. Hannah walked outside by herself. She did not have to open any doors because they are open most of the time (sorry all of you who are freezing right now). Since there are not many bugs this time of year and the weather is nice I just leave the front open and the dog and kids can come and go into a small area and then comes that tasty wrought iron fence that keeps them safe from the pool. She does seem pleased with herself and gets a real smile on her face, different from her escape-from-the-rest-of-the-world smile and laugh she has all to often. She does not respond well to praise. If we praise her at all it is very low key because praise of any sort can easily send her back into her own world or set off laughing episode and eye and ear holding to shut us out. This has been own of our biggest obstacles in potty training--finding a way to praise her that will let her know she did a good job but not set her off. Anyway, things are still going well. I am growing tired of the Tarzan tape. When she starts swinging from trees I'll know its time to move on........in the meantime I may start swinging from trees. Pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2000 Report Share Posted January 30, 2000 Sherry: Hip, hip, hooray!!!! That was a great BRAG POST (for once, right??) and we are SO proud of your baby! This is wonderful news.....who cares about the laundry...at least she DID it!! Now, if she were to learn how to throw those pies........nyuk, nyuk, nyuk! God Bless, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2000 Report Share Posted January 30, 2000 Pam: Wow! Two brag posts in one digest...first, Sherry " s, now yours! This is also wonderful news about Hannah.........and this is WITHOUT MEDS, right??? Oh, as a followup to my night from hell, the next day had a FOUR HOUR NAP (with Mom right next to him, of course!) and this morning (Sun.) he got up, ate breakfast, and slept AGAIN for about TWO HOURS......don't know if the added Melatonin, Benadryl did any good finally or if he just had to " catch up " on much needed sleep! Still going to call Doc about Risperdal.......... (much more refreshed after the naps!) P.S. He slept ALL night last night (Sat.) too!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2000 Report Share Posted January 30, 2000 In a message dated 1/30/2000 6:39:06 PM !!!First Boot!!!, Ltb3105@... writes: << (much more refreshed after the naps!) P.S. He slept ALL night last night (Sat.) too!!!!! >> YEAH!!!!!! So glad to hear you got some sleep !!!!! Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2000 Report Share Posted January 30, 2000 pam , hannah is practicing to be the new jane in tarzan 2...............to be released at a later date.............heheh leah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2000 Report Share Posted April 15, 2000 Continuing on the topic of hot and cold, Montgomery wrote an article some years ago describing and analyzing how farmers in the Yucatan use hot and cold principles (humeral theory) to guide actions and actually, he documented that they were avoiding heat stroke among other problems. The solution to the problem of farmworkers taking cold showers: I am shocked that cold showers are the option. At any rate, in most parts of the U.S. on a day without rain, running water through a long hose in the sun before it gets to the shower head will heat it up quite a bit, especially if it is a black hose. I wonder, though, whether the conditions meet state standards for migrant housing if people have to bathe in cold water? (Or are there federal standards?) Part of what makes migrant workers miserable here in Michigan is the thought that they need to get out into the cold, wet fields in the early morning, and that this will cause them to get arthritis and related problems. If you think it is possible to talk people out of these concepts, try to convince your own mother that it is OK to go outside in the winter with a wet head of hair! (In my own case, anyway, my mother is not to be convinced...this is all part of the humeral system, which has global distribution with lots of local variants and has been around since the times of Classic Greece in the Old World and who knows how long in other parts of the world.) That ends our lesson for today... I hope this is helpful. Ann Millard ---------- From: egroups[sMTP: @egroup s.com] Reply egroups Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 7:21 AM egroups Subject: [ ] Digest Number 7 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Whatever you want, chances are you'll find it at one of the hundreds of sites in The PointClick Network--like Disney.com, eCost.com, FogDog.com and many more. You get paid as you shop and an additional 10% off any purchase, anytime. 1/2994/0/_/339705/_/955538465/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To Post a message, send it to: eGroups To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: -unsubscribeeGroups ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 12 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. RE: beliefs surrounding pesticides From: Gabbard <sgabbard@...> 2. Re: beliefs surrounding pesticides From: " Alfonso -Vasquez " <lopezvas@...> 3. Re: beliefs surrounding pesticides From: <sdavis@...> 4. Re: beliefs surrounding pesticides From: Lou Siantz <msiantz@...> 5. Re: beliefs surrounding pesticides From: tammy y watkins <tywatkins@...> 6. Washing with cold water when hot From: <sdavis@...> 7. Re: beliefs surrounding pesticides From: " Ana Pizarro " <ap1@...> 8. search for speaker From: Sylvia Partida <partida@...> 9. Re: Washing with cold water when hot From: Lou Siantz <msiantz@...> 10. Re: Washing with cold water when hot From: kpitts@... 11. Re: beliefs surrounding pesticides From: " Sprager " <Lsprager@...> 12. RE: Mental health From: Lighthall <dlighthall@...> ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:20:05 -0700 From: Gabbard <sgabbard@...> Subject: RE: beliefs surrounding pesticides This message is in response to Judith Becher. I was interested in your comment because I ran across this issue is some pesticide research we did a few years ago and your research is the only other mention of it I have heard. I am wondering if other people have documented this but I have not found the references. I can't give you much help in terms of how to get around this but I did want to let you know that we have documented the same belief when we did some focus groups with farmworkers about pesticide safety in Santa Clara County California. The research project was sponsored by Santa Clara County and was done by Aguirre International and the California Institute for Rural Studies. During the focus groups, several workers told us that they could not follow the recommended safety practices and take showers upon arriving home, even though they felt strongly about protecting their children, because showering while heated up would make them ill. Again, I don't have ideas for solving this problem but I can provide our research report if you are interested or need further documentation. -----Original Message----- From: Judith Becher [mailto:becherj@...] Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 8:52 PM egroups Subject: [ ] beliefs surrounding pesticides We are working with a pesticide project in Yakima Valley that is planning educational interventions directed toward workers and their families to reduce in-home pesticide exposure. One of the behaviors that is being targeted is bathing after arriving at home, which is not done because of cultural beliefs that people can get arthritis or go into shock from showering right after work. Do others have insights or information on this belief, and effective paradigms to get around this? Are there other beliefs that others have encountered? thank you. Ilda Islas, Project Manager <iislas@...> Judith Becher, MD <becherj@...> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Enter to WIN one of 10 NEW Kenmore Ranges! Only at sears.com 1/2677/0/_/339705/_/955436613/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To Post a message, send it to: eGroups To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: -unsubscribeeGroups ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:09:12 -0700 From: " Alfonso -Vasquez " <lopezvas@...> Subject: Re: beliefs surrounding pesticides Beware of stereotypes and misinterpretations of health and hygiene practices. The concern about bathing after a hard day at work in the sun or physical activity causing an increase in body temperature is not without merit. Even after a casual day in the office, I do not go into the swimming pool nor take a cold shower, which is the qualifier for the misconception about taking a bath after work. The fact is that some people are hypersensitive to cold and under certain conditions, a person can go into shock if immersed in cold water. People from low income, rural, agrarian communities do not have hot water, or even inside water. The outside pump or river is the only place to bathe in. Get it? Good luck ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:36:06 -0500 From: <sdavis@...> Subject: Re: beliefs surrounding pesticides The cultural belief that washing after work will give you arthritis is one that we have encountered in several contexts. The " core " belief is that when the body is warm, cold water is harmful. This comes up in the fields as well, when we urge people to wash their hands before they eat, smoke, etc. One approach we have taken is to say to the person, you have a choice: on the one hand you have a poison on your body which you need to wash off, on the other hand you think that washing may cause harm, which is preferable to you to do? Faced with this choice the overwhelming majority of people believe that it is better to wash off the poison. Thus, the job becomes convincing people that the pesticides on their body are poisons -- which is the crux of the training you are giving. We also try to gently dispel this myth, but I think that this is a long term task. Convincing them that the pesticides are poison -- and that their forefathers didn't face that dilemma -- is more fruitful in the near term. Hope this is helpful. Farmworker Justice Fund, Inc. 1111 19th Street N.W. # 1000 Washington D.C. 20036 ph 202 776 1757 fax 202 776 1792 www.fwjustice.org At 08:52 PM 4/10/00 -0700, you wrote: >We are working with a pesticide project in Yakima Valley that is >planning >educational interventions directed toward workers and their families to >reduce in-home pesticide exposure. One of the behaviors that is being >targeted is bathing after arriving at home, which is not done because of > >cultural beliefs that people can get arthritis or go into shock from >showering right after work. Do others have insights or information on >this belief, and effective paradigms to get around this? Are there >other beliefs that others have encountered? thank you. >Ilda Islas, Project Manager <iislas@...> >Judith Becher, MD <becherj@...> > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Enter to WIN one of 10 NEW Kenmore Ranges! >Only at sears.com >1/2677/0/_/339705/_/955436613/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >To Post a message, send it to: eGroups > >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: -unsubscribeeGroups > > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 06:53:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Lou Siantz <msiantz@...> Subject: Re: beliefs surrounding pesticides It is the " hot and cold " theory I grew up with. It will take farm workers themsleves to convince them otherwise, because it is such a strong belief that governs so much family behavior. This will be a hard one to overcome. Concrete On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, Judith Becher wrote: > We are working with a pesticide project in Yakima Valley that is > planning > educational interventions directed toward workers and their families to > reduce in-home pesticide exposure. One of the behaviors that is being > targeted is bathing after arriving at home, which is not done because of > > cultural beliefs that people can get arthritis or go into shock from > showering right after work. Do others have insights or information on > this belief, and effective paradigms to get around this? Are there > other beliefs that others have encountered? thank you. > Ilda Islas, Project Manager <iislas@...> > Judith Becher, MD <becherj@...> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Enter to WIN one of 10 NEW Kenmore Ranges! > Only at sears.com > 1/2677/0/_/339705/_/955436613/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To Post a message, send it to: eGroups > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: -unsubscribeeGroups > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:48:45 -0700 (PDT) From: tammy y watkins <tywatkins@...> Subject: Re: beliefs surrounding pesticides This 'hot and cold' theory isn't too far removed from many other cultures, including chinese. Rather than dismiss these beliefs, it might be more successful to try to accomodate these beliefs when discussing behavior change. Begin with the presence of pesticides, stressing changing clothes as a beginning point. Maybe leaving water out in the sun to warm up naturally, then rinsing with this water would be more acceptable. Stress tepid water rather than cold water. You have to begin somewhere and changing clothes and partial bathing is better than nothing. Also, if you want cooperation and permanent behavior change, it is much better to work within cultural beliefs. Tammy Y Watkins, RN, MPH Health Educator --- Lou Siantz <msiantz@...> wrote: > It is the " hot and cold " theory I grew up with. It > will take farm workers > themsleves to convince them otherwise, because it is > such a strong belief > that governs so much family behavior. This will be > a hard one to > overcome. Concrete > > On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, Judith Becher wrote: > > > We are working with a pesticide project in Yakima > Valley that is > > planning > > educational interventions directed toward workers > and their families to > > reduce in-home pesticide exposure. One of the > behaviors that is being > > targeted is bathing after arriving at home, which > is not done because of > > > > cultural beliefs that people can get arthritis or > go into shock from > > showering right after work. Do others have > insights or information on > > this belief, and effective paradigms to get around > this? Are there > > other beliefs that others have encountered? thank > you. > > Ilda Islas, Project Manager <iislas@...> > > Judith Becher, MD <becherj@...> > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Enter to WIN one of 10 NEW Kenmore Ranges! > > Only at sears.com > > > 1/2677/0/_/339705/_/955436613/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > To Post a message, send it to: > eGroups > > > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > -unsubscribeeGroups > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2000 Report Share Posted July 6, 2000 Does anyone happen to have any information regarding the Border Health Conference in Morelia, MX. I know there was some previous dialogue on it on this list serve and I can't find the message that contains that information. Could you please e-mail that to me at saavedra@.... Thank you! egroups wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Whatever you want, chances are you'll find it at one of the hundreds > of sites in The PointClick Network--like Disney.com, eCost.com, > FogDog.com and many more. You get paid as you shop and an additional > 10% off any purchase, anytime. > 1/2994/0/_/339705/_/955538465/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To Post a message, send it to: eGroups > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: -unsubscribeeGroups > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > There are 12 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. RE: beliefs surrounding pesticides > From: Gabbard <sgabbard@...> > 2. Re: beliefs surrounding pesticides > From: " Alfonso -Vasquez " <lopezvas@...> > 3. Re: beliefs surrounding pesticides > From: <sdavis@...> > 4. Re: beliefs surrounding pesticides > From: Lou Siantz <msiantz@...> > 5. Re: beliefs surrounding pesticides > From: tammy y watkins <tywatkins@...> > 6. Washing with cold water when hot > From: <sdavis@...> > 7. Re: beliefs surrounding pesticides > From: " Ana Pizarro " <ap1@...> > 8. search for speaker > From: Sylvia Partida <partida@...> > 9. Re: Washing with cold water when hot > From: Lou Siantz <msiantz@...> > 10. Re: Washing with cold water when hot > From: kpitts@... > 11. Re: beliefs surrounding pesticides > From: " Sprager " <Lsprager@...> > 12. RE: Mental health > From: Lighthall <dlighthall@...> > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:20:05 -0700 > From: Gabbard <sgabbard@...> > Subject: RE: beliefs surrounding pesticides > > This message is in response to Judith Becher. I was interested in your > comment because I ran across this issue is some pesticide research we did a > few years ago and your research is the only other mention of it I have > heard. I am wondering if other people have documented this but I have not > found the references. > > I can't give you much help in terms of how to get around this but I did want > to let you know that we have documented the same belief when we did some > focus groups with farmworkers about pesticide safety in Santa Clara County > California. The research project was sponsored by Santa Clara County and > was done by Aguirre International and the California Institute for Rural > Studies. During the focus groups, several workers told us that they could > not follow the recommended safety practices and take showers upon arriving > home, even though they felt strongly about protecting their children, > because showering while heated up would make them ill. > > Again, I don't have ideas for solving this problem but I can provide our > research report if you are interested or need further documentation. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Judith Becher [mailto:becherj@...] > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 8:52 PM > egroups > Subject: [ ] beliefs surrounding pesticides > > We are working with a pesticide project in Yakima Valley that is > planning > educational interventions directed toward workers and their families to > reduce in-home pesticide exposure. One of the behaviors that is being > targeted is bathing after arriving at home, which is not done because of > > cultural beliefs that people can get arthritis or go into shock from > showering right after work. Do others have insights or information on > this belief, and effective paradigms to get around this? Are there > other beliefs that others have encountered? thank you. > Ilda Islas, Project Manager <iislas@...> > Judith Becher, MD <becherj@...> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Enter to WIN one of 10 NEW Kenmore Ranges! > Only at sears.com > 1/2677/0/_/339705/_/955436613/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To Post a message, send it to: eGroups > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > -unsubscribeeGroups > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:09:12 -0700 > From: " Alfonso -Vasquez " <lopezvas@...> > Subject: Re: beliefs surrounding pesticides > > Beware of stereotypes and misinterpretations of health and hygiene practices. > > The concern about bathing after a hard day at work in the sun or physical activity causing an increase in body temperature is not without merit. Even after a casual day in the office, I do not go into the swimming pool nor take a cold shower, which is the qualifier for the misconception about taking a bath after work. The fact is that some people are hypersensitive to cold and under certain conditions, a person can go into shock if immersed in cold water. > > People from low income, rural, agrarian communities do not have hot water, or even inside water. The outside pump or river is the only place to bathe in. Get it? > > Good luck > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:36:06 -0500 > From: <sdavis@...> > Subject: Re: beliefs surrounding pesticides > > The cultural belief that washing after work will give you arthritis is one > that we have encountered in several contexts. The " core " belief is that > when the body is warm, cold water is harmful. This comes up in the fields > as well, when we urge people to wash their hands before they eat, smoke, > etc. One approach we have taken is to say to the person, you have a > choice: on the one hand you have a poison on your body which you need to > wash off, on the other hand you think that washing may cause harm, which is > preferable to you to do? Faced with this choice the overwhelming majority > of people believe that it is better to wash off the poison. Thus, the job > becomes convincing people that the pesticides on their body are poisons -- > which is the crux of the training you are giving. We also try to gently > dispel this myth, but I think that this is a long term task. Convincing > them that the pesticides are poison -- and that their forefathers didn't > face that dilemma -- is more fruitful in the near term. Hope this is helpful. > > > Farmworker Justice Fund, Inc. > 1111 19th Street N.W. # 1000 > Washington D.C. 20036 > ph 202 776 1757 > fax 202 776 1792 > www.fwjustice.org > > At 08:52 PM 4/10/00 -0700, you wrote: > >We are working with a pesticide project in Yakima Valley that is > >planning > >educational interventions directed toward workers and their families to > >reduce in-home pesticide exposure. One of the behaviors that is being > >targeted is bathing after arriving at home, which is not done because of > > > >cultural beliefs that people can get arthritis or go into shock from > >showering right after work. Do others have insights or information on > >this belief, and effective paradigms to get around this? Are there > >other beliefs that others have encountered? thank you. > >Ilda Islas, Project Manager <iislas@...> > >Judith Becher, MD <becherj@...> > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Enter to WIN one of 10 NEW Kenmore Ranges! > >Only at sears.com > >1/2677/0/_/339705/_/955436613/ > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >To Post a message, send it to: eGroups > > > >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > -unsubscribeeGroups > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 06:53:33 -0700 (PDT) > From: Lou Siantz <msiantz@...> > Subject: Re: beliefs surrounding pesticides > > It is the " hot and cold " theory I grew up with. It will take farm workers > themsleves to convince them otherwise, because it is such a strong belief > that governs so much family behavior. This will be a hard one to > overcome. Concrete > > On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, Judith Becher wrote: > > > We are working with a pesticide project in Yakima Valley that is > > planning > > educational interventions directed toward workers and their families to > > reduce in-home pesticide exposure. One of the behaviors that is being > > targeted is bathing after arriving at home, which is not done because of > > > > cultural beliefs that people can get arthritis or go into shock from > > showering right after work. Do others have insights or information on > > this belief, and effective paradigms to get around this? Are there > > other beliefs that others have encountered? thank you. > > Ilda Islas, Project Manager <iislas@...> > > Judith Becher, MD <becherj@...> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Enter to WIN one of 10 NEW Kenmore Ranges! > > Only at sears.com > > 1/2677/0/_/339705/_/955436613/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > To Post a message, send it to: eGroups > > > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: -unsubscribeeGroups > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:48:45 -0700 (PDT) > From: tammy y watkins <tywatkins@...> > Subject: Re: beliefs surrounding pesticides > > This 'hot and cold' theory isn't too far removed from > many other cultures, including chinese. Rather than > dismiss these beliefs, it might be more successful to > try to accomodate these beliefs when discussing > behavior change. Begin with the presence of > pesticides, stressing changing clothes as a beginning > point. Maybe leaving water out in the sun to warm up > naturally, then rinsing with this water would be more > acceptable. Stress tepid water rather than cold > water. You have to begin somewhere and changing > clothes and partial bathing is better than nothing. > Also, if you want cooperation and permanent behavior > change, it is much better to work within cultural > beliefs. > > Tammy Y Watkins, RN, MPH > Health Educator > > --- Lou Siantz <msiantz@...> wrote: > > It is the " hot and cold " theory I grew up with. It > > will take farm workers > > themsleves to convince them otherwise, because it is > > such a strong belief > > that governs so much family behavior. This will be > > a hard one to > > overcome. Concrete > > > > On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, Judith Becher wrote: > > > > > We are working with a pesticide project in Yakima > > Valley that is > > > planning > > > educational interventions directed toward workers > > and their families to > > > reduce in-home pesticide exposure. One of the > > behaviors that is being > > > targeted is bathing after arriving at home, which > > is not done because of > > > > > > cultural beliefs that people can get arthritis or > > go into shock from > > > showering right after work. Do others have > > insights or information on > > > this belief, and effective paradigms to get around > > this? Are there > > > other beliefs that others have encountered? thank > > you. > > > Ilda Islas, Project Manager <iislas@...> > > > Judith Becher, MD <becherj@...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Enter to WIN one of 10 NEW Kenmore Ranges! > > > Only at sears.com > > > > > > 1/2677/0/_/339705/_/955436613/ > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > To Post a message, send it to: > > eGroups > > > > > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > > -unsubscribeeGroups > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2000 Report Share Posted July 6, 2000 For and others interested, attached is the information on the Mexico conference. This is an announcement I got some time ago. I don't know if the information is still up-to-date. - Margaret Reeves >Does anyone happen to have any information regarding the Border >Health Conference in Morelia, MX. I know there was some previous >dialogue on it on this list serve and I can't find the message that >contains that information. Could you please e-mail that to me at >saavedra@.... Thank you! > > egroups wrote: > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Whatever you want, chances are you'll find it at one of the hundreds >> of sites in The PointClick Network--like Disney.com, eCost.com, >> FogDog.com and many more. You get paid as you shop and an additional >> 10% off any purchase, anytime. >> 1/2994/0/_/339705/_/955538465/ >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> To Post a message, send it to: eGroups >> >> To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >> -unsubscribeeGroups >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> There are 12 messages in this issue. >> >> Topics in this digest: >> >> 1. RE: beliefs surrounding pesticides >> From: Gabbard <sgabbard@...> >> 2. Re: beliefs surrounding pesticides >> From: " Alfonso -Vasquez " <lopezvas@...> >> 3. Re: beliefs surrounding pesticides >> From: <sdavis@...> >> 4. Re: beliefs surrounding pesticides >> From: Lou Siantz <msiantz@...> >> 5. Re: beliefs surrounding pesticides >> From: tammy y watkins <tywatkins@...> >> 6. Washing with cold water when hot >> From: <sdavis@...> >> 7. Re: beliefs surrounding pesticides >> From: " Ana Pizarro " <ap1@...> >> 8. search for speaker >> From: Sylvia Partida <partida@...> >> 9. Re: Washing with cold water when hot >> From: Lou Siantz <msiantz@...> >> 10. Re: Washing with cold water when hot >> From: kpitts@... >> 11. Re: beliefs surrounding pesticides >> From: " Sprager " <Lsprager@...> >> 12. RE: Mental health >> From: Lighthall <dlighthall@...> >> >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:20:05 -0700 >> From: Gabbard <sgabbard@...> >> Subject: RE: beliefs surrounding pesticides >> >> This message is in response to Judith Becher. I was interested in your >> comment because I ran across this issue is some pesticide research we did a >> few years ago and your research is the only other mention of it I have >> heard. I am wondering if other people have documented this but I have not >> found the references. >> >> I can't give you much help in terms of how to get around this but I did want >> to let you know that we have documented the same belief when we did some >> focus groups with farmworkers about pesticide safety in Santa Clara County >> California. The research project was sponsored by Santa Clara County and >> was done by Aguirre International and the California Institute for Rural >> Studies. During the focus groups, several workers told us that they could >> not follow the recommended safety practices and take showers upon arriving >> home, even though they felt strongly about protecting their children, >> because showering while heated up would make them ill. >> >> Again, I don't have ideas for solving this problem but I can provide our >> research report if you are interested or need further documentation. > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Judith Becher [mailto:becherj@...] >> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 8:52 PM >> egroups >> Subject: [ ] beliefs surrounding pesticides >> >> We are working with a pesticide project in Yakima Valley that is >> planning >> educational interventions directed toward workers and their families to >> reduce in-home pesticide exposure. One of the behaviors that is being >> targeted is bathing after arriving at home, which is not done because of >> >> cultural beliefs that people can get arthritis or go into shock from >> showering right after work. Do others have insights or information on >> this belief, and effective paradigms to get around this? Are there >> other beliefs that others have encountered? thank you. >> Ilda Islas, Project Manager <iislas@...> >> Judith Becher, MD <becherj@...> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Enter to WIN one of 10 NEW Kenmore Ranges! >> Only at sears.com >> 1/2677/0/_/339705/_/955436613/ >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> To Post a message, send it to: eGroups >> >> To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >> -unsubscribeeGroups >> >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:09:12 -0700 >> From: " Alfonso -Vasquez " <lopezvas@...> >> Subject: Re: beliefs surrounding pesticides >> >> Beware of stereotypes and misinterpretations of health and hygiene >>practices. >> >> The concern about bathing after a hard day at work in the sun or >>physical activity causing an increase in body temperature is not >>without merit. Even after a casual day in the office, I do not go >>into the swimming pool nor take a cold shower, which is the >>qualifier for the misconception about taking a bath after work. The >>fact is that some people are hypersensitive to cold and under >>certain conditions, a person can go into shock if immersed in cold >>water. >> >> People from low income, rural, agrarian communities do not have >>hot water, or even inside water. The outside pump or river is the >>only place to bathe in. Get it? >> >> Good luck >> >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:36:06 -0500 >> From: <sdavis@...> >> Subject: Re: beliefs surrounding pesticides >> >> The cultural belief that washing after work will give you arthritis is one >> that we have encountered in several contexts. The " core " belief is that >> when the body is warm, cold water is harmful. This comes up in the fields >> as well, when we urge people to wash their hands before they eat, smoke, >> etc. One approach we have taken is to say to the person, you have a >> choice: on the one hand you have a poison on your body which you need to >> wash off, on the other hand you think that washing may cause harm, which is >> preferable to you to do? Faced with this choice the overwhelming majority >> of people believe that it is better to wash off the poison. Thus, the job >> becomes convincing people that the pesticides on their body are poisons -- >> which is the crux of the training you are giving. We also try to gently >> dispel this myth, but I think that this is a long term task. Convincing >> them that the pesticides are poison -- and that their forefathers didn't >> face that dilemma -- is more fruitful in the near term. Hope this >>is helpful. >> >> >> Farmworker Justice Fund, Inc. >> 1111 19th Street N.W. # 1000 >> Washington D.C. 20036 >> ph 202 776 1757 >> fax 202 776 1792 >> www.fwjustice.org >> >> At 08:52 PM 4/10/00 -0700, you wrote: >> >We are working with a pesticide project in Yakima Valley that is >> >planning >> >educational interventions directed toward workers and their families to > > >reduce in-home pesticide exposure. One of the behaviors that is being >> >targeted is bathing after arriving at home, which is not done because of >> > >> >cultural beliefs that people can get arthritis or go into shock from >> >showering right after work. Do others have insights or information on >> >this belief, and effective paradigms to get around this? Are there >> >other beliefs that others have encountered? thank you. >> >Ilda Islas, Project Manager <iislas@...> >> >Judith Becher, MD <becherj@...> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >Enter to WIN one of 10 NEW Kenmore Ranges! >> >Only at sears.com >> >1/2677/0/_/339705/_/955436613/ >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> >To Post a message, send it to: eGroups >> > >> >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >> -unsubscribeeGroups >> > >> > >> > >> >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 06:53:33 -0700 (PDT) >> From: Lou Siantz <msiantz@...> >> Subject: Re: beliefs surrounding pesticides >> >> It is the " hot and cold " theory I grew up with. It will take farm workers >> themsleves to convince them otherwise, because it is such a strong belief >> that governs so much family behavior. This will be a hard one to >> overcome. Concrete >> >> On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, Judith Becher wrote: >> >> > We are working with a pesticide project in Yakima Valley that is >> > planning >> > educational interventions directed toward workers and their families to >> > reduce in-home pesticide exposure. One of the behaviors that is being >> > targeted is bathing after arriving at home, which is not done because of >> > >> > cultural beliefs that people can get arthritis or go into shock from >> > showering right after work. Do others have insights or information on >> > this belief, and effective paradigms to get around this? Are there >> > other beliefs that others have encountered? thank you. >> > Ilda Islas, Project Manager <iislas@...> >> > Judith Becher, MD <becherj@...> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > Enter to WIN one of 10 NEW Kenmore Ranges! >> > Only at sears.com >> > 1/2677/0/_/339705/_/955436613/ >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > To Post a message, send it to: eGroups >> > >> > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >> -unsubscribeeGroups >> > >> > >> >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:48:45 -0700 (PDT) >> From: tammy y watkins <tywatkins@...> >> Subject: Re: beliefs surrounding pesticides >> >> This 'hot and cold' theory isn't too far removed from >> many other cultures, including chinese. Rather than >> dismiss these beliefs, it might be more successful to >> try to accomodate these beliefs when discussing >> behavior change. Begin with the presence of >> pesticides, stressing changing clothes as a beginning >> point. Maybe leaving water out in the sun to warm up >> naturally, then rinsing with this water would be more >> acceptable. Stress tepid water rather than cold >> water. You have to begin somewhere and changing >> clothes and partial bathing is better than nothing. >> Also, if you want cooperation and permanent behavior >> change, it is much better to work within cultural >> beliefs. >> >> Tammy Y Watkins, RN, MPH >> Health Educator >> >> --- Lou Siantz <msiantz@...> wrote: >> > It is the " hot and cold " theory I grew up with. It >> > will take farm workers >> > themsleves to convince them otherwise, because it is >> > such a strong belief >> > that governs so much family behavior. This will be > > > a hard one to >> > overcome. Concrete >> > >> > On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, Judith Becher wrote: >> > >> > > We are working with a pesticide project in Yakima >> > Valley that is >> > > planning >> > > educational interventions directed toward workers >> > and their families to >> > > reduce in-home pesticide exposure. One of the >> > behaviors that is being >> > > targeted is bathing after arriving at home, which >> > is not done because of >> > > >> > > cultural beliefs that people can get arthritis or >> > go into shock from >> > > showering right after work. Do others have >> > insights or information on >> > > this belief, and effective paradigms to get around >> > this? Are there >> > > other beliefs that others have encountered? thank >> > you. >> > > Ilda Islas, Project Manager <iislas@...> >> > > Judith Becher, MD <becherj@...> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > > Enter to WIN one of 10 NEW Kenmore Ranges! >> > > Only at sears.com >> > > >> > >> 1/2677/0/_/339705/_/955436613/ >> > > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > > >> > > To Post a message, send it to: >> > eGroups >> > > >> > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >> > -unsubscribeeGroups >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 Dear MArge, If you are getting the message that this page is too long or too big on webtv, it's usually because you have too much in your mailbox, not only in the in messages, but also in your saved, sent, and discarded messages. I only save the most important items and permanently discard everything else on a daily basis (sometimes two and three times a day) in order to keep everything on webtv moving smoother. Don't know how helpful this info is for you, but thought I would mention it. Luv, Sprite " When you drink the water, remember the spring. " Â Chinese proverb Check out my Kombucha Information page, it has links to all kinds of KT info and more: <A HREF= " http://www.geocities.com/ladyfangs.geo/Page5.html " >Sprite's Kombucha Page</A> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2005 Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 Hey Lynne & Group: Doc and have given you excellent information regarding chronic sinus infections and pneumonia, but here's my 2 cents anyway. I've had numerous bouts with the chronic diseases over the past 45 years; per my ' All About Me' post. After getting my bug I've had 2 cases, Ampicillin, Amoxicillin Bactrum & the ZithroPak didn't work. I've tried Avelox, Vibramycin, and Levaquin, getting to know all the 'cousins',(haha). During the last hospitalization I was given Levaquin and Neopogen IV to stabilize my ANC count. After the hospitalization my pharmacist told me that the Neopogen is available for injection at home, thanx to my insurance, I have to be given it as an inpatient. I was given an antibiotic by the ear, nose, and throat doctor that I cannot get filed until Monday because the insurance won't pay for the 'generic' and 3 pharmacies in my area don't carry the brand " go figure " . My 'great' news is that I don't have to see my Oncologist for 3 months. . . and bloodwork for 6 weeks . . . YIPPEE!!! I am traveling. " K " " I AIN'T FINISHED YET " !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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