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Debra, Wow! I find it very odd that no doctor thought the " chronic acute

inflammation " seen in your muscle tissue was odd. Blows me away, in fact.

Would a rheumatologist find it interesting enough to pursue further? It

would seem to fit their bailiwick anyway. I know my rheumy would pay

attention to such a finding.

At the moment I can't recall any reports where chronic acute inflammation

was seen in muscle of a mito patient, but it may well occur. In one study of

the muscle biopsies of 113 mito patients, there were histological

abnormalities in 65 cases, the most common being angular atrophic

esterase-positive muscle fibers, type II muscle atrophy, regenerating muscle

fibers and scattered cytochrome-oxidase (COX) deficient fibers. 54 specimens

had increased numbers of mitochondria. 8 specimens had increased

mitochondrial size and 3 specimens had paracrystalline mitochondrial

inclusions. 3 specimens had ragged red fibers. Other findings included

increased glycogen deposition, focal Z-band streaming and increased lipid

accumulation. Specific histologic findings suggestive of mitochondrial

abnormalities (COX-deficient fibers, ragged red fibers) were noted in a

minority of cases. However, ultrastructural evidence of mitochondrial

abnormalities was noted in the majority of cases.

Barbara

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From: Debra Beckmann

Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 8:03 AM

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Subject: muscle biopsy?

In the posts about muscle biopsy I read someone, I think Laurie had " chronic

mild inflammation " . I had a fresh and fixed biopsy done in 2002 and even

though I have been on oral prednisone since 1997 it showed " chronic acute

inflammation " yet no one thought that was odd but me. There were no red

ragged fibers but other than the two specific disorders they were looking

for nothing else was noted, or tested.

Debra

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Debra

Only one of my many showed the inflammation, at least that was the only one

mentioned. Having the correct tests run by an experienced lab is the key to

good results.

laurie

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> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 08:03:10 -0600

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> Subject: muscle biopsy?

>

> In the posts about muscle biopsy I read someone, I think Laurie had " chronic

> mild inflammation " . I had a fresh and fixed biopsy done in 2002 and even

> though I have been on oral prednisone since 1997 it showed " chronic acute

> inflammation " yet no one thought that was odd but me. There were no red

> ragged fibers but other than the two specific disorders they were looking for

> nothing else was noted, or tested.

>

> Debra

>

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Barbara,

Thanks for posting that information about the biopsies. I had posted

about the chronic inflammation and rare foci, interestingly enough

the info you attached mentioned increased lipid production. That is

exactly what mine said as well. I remember asking Dr Cohen if that

meant my thigh was " exceptional fat " :-) Of course he assured me

that was not the meaning of increased lipid production. I have

wondered about the chronic inflammation and if anyone else had the

same findings.

I called Dr Cohen's office earlier this week on the request of my PT

who was wondering if there was anything else he could be doing to

help my case. I was told that Dr Cohen was out until Monday. I didn't

expect a call back. I got a call yesterday from Fran his Secretary.

He had called in for messages and he asked her to call me back with

this information. " Apparently most patients with progressive muscle

disease experience similar problems with neck and back pain. He told

me that the PTs usually know better what each patient needs but if

mine needed to speak to him he was available. He also told me that

it the condition worsened that I could come to CCF and see him. "

Let's hope that it gets better not worse !

I hope that we all have a Healthy Happy New Year! Thanks to

for the beautiful card.

Hugs,

> Debra, Wow! I find it very odd that no doctor thought the " chronic

acute

> inflammation " seen in your muscle tissue was odd. Blows me away, in

fact.

> Would a rheumatologist find it interesting enough to pursue

further? It

> would seem to fit their bailiwick anyway. I know my rheumy would pay

> attention to such a finding.

>

>

>

> At the moment I can't recall any reports where chronic acute

inflammation

> was seen in muscle of a mito patient, but it may well occur. In one

study of

> the muscle biopsies of 113 mito patients, there were histological

> abnormalities in 65 cases, the most common being angular atrophic

> esterase-positive muscle fibers, type II muscle atrophy,

regenerating muscle

> fibers and scattered cytochrome-oxidase (COX) deficient fibers. 54

specimens

> had increased numbers of mitochondria. 8 specimens had increased

> mitochondrial size and 3 specimens had paracrystalline mitochondrial

> inclusions. 3 specimens had ragged red fibers. Other findings

included

> increased glycogen deposition, focal Z-band streaming and increased

lipid

> accumulation. Specific histologic findings suggestive of

mitochondrial

> abnormalities (COX-deficient fibers, ragged red fibers) were noted

in a

> minority of cases. However, ultrastructural evidence of

mitochondrial

> abnormalities was noted in the majority of cases.

>

>

>

> Barbara

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: Debra Beckmann [mailto:beckmann@h...]

> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 8:03 AM

> To:

> Subject: muscle biopsy?

>

>

>

> In the posts about muscle biopsy I read someone, I think Laurie

had " chronic

> mild inflammation " . I had a fresh and fixed biopsy done in 2002 and

even

> though I have been on oral prednisone since 1997 it showed " chronic

acute

> inflammation " yet no one thought that was odd but me. There were

no red

> ragged fibers but other than the two specific disorders they were

looking

> for nothing else was noted, or tested.

>

> Debra

>

>

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, Dr. Cohen's response to the neck and back pain as typical of

progressive myopathy certainly confirms what I hear from various patients

with many different muscle disorders. Also, my new neuro nodded (as if in

recognition) when I mentioned these problems to him. Doesn't make the pain

less, but is still strangely comforting to know that this is " the norm " for

these disorders and that others do learn to cope. Yes, the increased lipid,

which was marked in my case, was an important clue in my first biopsy way

back in " 83. They showed me the slides, which I must admit looked quite

gross to me at the time. Yuck! All those microscopic clumps of fat. That

alone prompted the pathologist to send my tissue to DiMauro, who made the

initial diagnosis. I've never had any microscopic signs of inflammation,

however.

B

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From: mitomomtoo

Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 7:56 PM

To:

Subject: Re: muscle biopsy?

Barbara,

Thanks for posting that information about the biopsies. I had posted

about the chronic inflammation and rare foci, interestingly enough

the info you attached mentioned increased lipid production. That is

exactly what mine said as well. I remember asking Dr Cohen if that

meant my thigh was " exceptional fat " :-) Of course he assured me

that was not the meaning of increased lipid production. I have

wondered about the chronic inflammation and if anyone else had the

same findings.

I called Dr Cohen's office earlier this week on the request of my PT

who was wondering if there was anything else he could be doing to

help my case. I was told that Dr Cohen was out until Monday. I didn't

expect a call back. I got a call yesterday from Fran his Secretary.

He had called in for messages and he asked her to call me back with

this information. " Apparently most patients with progressive muscle

disease experience similar problems with neck and back pain. He told

me that the PTs usually know better what each patient needs but if

mine needed to speak to him he was available. He also told me that

it the condition worsened that I could come to CCF and see him. "

Let's hope that it gets better not worse !

I hope that we all have a Healthy Happy New Year! Thanks to

for the beautiful card.

Hugs,

> Debra, Wow! I find it very odd that no doctor thought the " chronic

acute

> inflammation " seen in your muscle tissue was odd. Blows me away, in

fact.

> Would a rheumatologist find it interesting enough to pursue

further? It

> would seem to fit their bailiwick anyway. I know my rheumy would pay

> attention to such a finding.

>

>

>

> At the moment I can't recall any reports where chronic acute

inflammation

> was seen in muscle of a mito patient, but it may well occur. In one

study of

> the muscle biopsies of 113 mito patients, there were histological

> abnormalities in 65 cases, the most common being angular atrophic

> esterase-positive muscle fibers, type II muscle atrophy,

regenerating muscle

> fibers and scattered cytochrome-oxidase (COX) deficient fibers. 54

specimens

> had increased numbers of mitochondria. 8 specimens had increased

> mitochondrial size and 3 specimens had paracrystalline mitochondrial

> inclusions. 3 specimens had ragged red fibers. Other findings

included

> increased glycogen deposition, focal Z-band streaming and increased

lipid

> accumulation. Specific histologic findings suggestive of

mitochondrial

> abnormalities (COX-deficient fibers, ragged red fibers) were noted

in a

> minority of cases. However, ultrastructural evidence of

mitochondrial

> abnormalities was noted in the majority of cases.

>

>

>

> Barbara

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: Debra Beckmann [mailto:beckmann@h...]

> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 8:03 AM

> To:

> Subject: muscle biopsy?

>

>

>

> In the posts about muscle biopsy I read someone, I think Laurie

had " chronic

> mild inflammation " . I had a fresh and fixed biopsy done in 2002 and

even

> though I have been on oral prednisone since 1997 it showed " chronic

acute

> inflammation " yet no one thought that was odd but me. There were

no red

> ragged fibers but other than the two specific disorders they were

looking

> for nothing else was noted, or tested.

>

> Debra

>

>

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No, I have never had a muscle biopsy. However, I did have a nerve biopsy from my calf muscle in my left leg. Parts of my sural nerve was removed to see if sarcoid was present.

The results were negative and the surgery was a piece of cake. No problemo!

I wish you the same my dear friend.

Brother :)

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