Guest guest Posted September 6, 2002 Report Share Posted September 6, 2002 In a message dated 9/6/02 4:24:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ckelley100@... writes: > He doesn't want to > take enzymes forever and I see chelation as a possible way out of > that - I feel it is my obligation to learn as much about it as > possible -- I have resigned myself to the fact that enzymes might be forever for us. And, based on what has happened to the food supply in our country (overly processed, irradiated, genetically modified, grown on " dead " soil, inhumanely raised beef and poultry, etc.), it will be difficult to get the nourishment we need unless we strive to eat alot of fresh raw food (for their enzymes), lightly steam our vegetables, use spices to boost the digestive system (as in the Ayurvedic lifestyle), buy only organic produce and meats, etc., etc. I believe most illness is caused by the problem in our food supply. It's really tragic. Celia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2002 Report Share Posted September 6, 2002 In a message dated 9/6/02 5:28:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ckelley100@... writes: > see chelation as removing the underlying problem -- I know heavy metals inhibit and denature the body's enzymes. What happens to heavy metals in the body when we increase the body's supply of digestive enzymes? I think I read somewhere that large doses of protease can reduce heavy metals in the bloodstream. Maybe and Devin could elaborate? Celia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2002 Report Share Posted September 6, 2002 In a message dated 9/6/02 5:55:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rp46285@... writes: > Have you read Bernie Windham's paper on mercury poisoning? I would be interested in reading this. Would you mind sending it either to me privately or to the list. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2002 Report Share Posted September 6, 2002 I've thought about that - and I would probably keep him on some enzymes (ZP?) for the general digestion stuff - but the having to make sure all gluten, casein, soy, etc. is covered with enzymes before any snack or meal - well, I can't blame him for wishing we didn't have to be so stringent. Dana has been very patient with me as I've asked her lots of chelation questions as her children have been able to tolerate more and more foods. I find it fascinating that the chelation has done this for them - basically eased their apparent celiac disease, as I understand it. I see chelation as removing the underlying problem, but I admit I'm nervous about the concept of moving metals around in my child when he is doing so well with enzymes. I see much less risk with enzymes than I do with chelation, but I've not read enough on chelation yet to make a good judgment on it. It definitely interests me, but I am a super cautious person and I have to be completely convinced it's a good option for us. I really appreciate reading others' stories about chelating and hope to go through all the a-m site files soon. I just haven't had time to read at that site consistently, so I am glad when people here keep us updated. > In a message dated 9/6/02 4:24:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > ckelley100@c... writes: > > > > He doesn't want to > > take enzymes forever and I see chelation as a possible way out of > > that - I feel it is my obligation to learn as much about it as > > possible > > -- I have resigned myself to the fact that enzymes might be forever for > us. > And, based on what has happened to the food supply in our country (overly > processed, irradiated, genetically modified, grown on " dead " soil, > inhumanely raised beef and poultry, etc.), it will be difficult to get the > nourishment we need unless we strive to eat alot of fresh raw food (for their > enzymes), lightly steam our vegetables, use spices to boost the digestive > system (as in the Ayurvedic lifestyle), buy only organic produce and meats, > etc., etc. > > I believe most illness is caused by the problem in our food supply. It's > really > tragic. > > Celia > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2002 Report Share Posted September 6, 2002 Dear , First of all thank you and of course for your tireless work on this list. My daughter has benefitted tremendously from all the info on this board and in particular from the Houston enzymes. Now then to the question of chelation. I was faced with this decison last year as I attempted to come to grips with this mercury issue. You say you are worried that mercury might be re-distributed during any detox procedures. I think you must consider the following..... Mercury disrupts the detoxification capability of the body. As long as mercury has a grip and the detox pathways are incapacitated, the body will " import " and " keep " all the nasties, ..pesticides, heavy metals and other lovely toxins which our modern world throws at us. That for me is a far more chilling thought...... Have you read Bernie Windham's paper on mercury poisoning? I will upload it if you haven't seen it. He is a chemical engineer whose own son is autistic and I believe he works for the Environmental Department in Florida. All the best, [ ] Re: To -- enzymes forever?? I've thought about that - and I would probably keep him on some enzymes (ZP?) for the general digestion stuff - but the having to make sure all gluten, casein, soy, etc. is covered with enzymes before any snack or meal - well, I can't blame him for wishing we didn't have to be so stringent. Dana has been very patient with me as I've asked her lots of chelation questions as her children have been able to tolerate more and more foods. I find it fascinating that the chelation has done this for them - basically eased their apparent celiac disease, as I understand it. I see chelation as removing the underlying problem, but I admit I'm nervous about the concept of moving metals around in my child when he is doing so well with enzymes. I see much less risk with enzymes than I do with chelation, but I've not read enough on chelation yet to make a good judgment on it. It definitely interests me, but I am a super cautious person and I have to be completely convinced it's a good option for us. I really appreciate reading others' stories about chelating and hope to go through all the a-m site files soon. I just haven't had time to read at that site consistently, so I am glad when people here keep us updated. > In a message dated 9/6/02 4:24:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > ckelley100@c... writes: > > > > He doesn't want to > > take enzymes forever and I see chelation as a possible way out of > > that - I feel it is my obligation to learn as much about it as > > possible > > -- I have resigned myself to the fact that enzymes might be forever for > us. > And, based on what has happened to the food supply in our country (overly > processed, irradiated, genetically modified, grown on " dead " soil, > inhumanely raised beef and poultry, etc.), it will be difficult to get the > nourishment we need unless we strive to eat alot of fresh raw food (for their > enzymes), lightly steam our vegetables, use spices to boost the digestive > system (as in the Ayurvedic lifestyle), buy only organic produce and meats, > etc., etc. > > I believe most illness is caused by the problem in our food supply. It's > really > tragic. > > Celia > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2002 Report Share Posted September 6, 2002 Hi Have you done a DDI hair test? This is the one that can be used with Andy Cutlers counting rules. Not all our kids are metal toxic (though its seems high proportion are) so if you can afford it, this helps gives the motivation one way or another. Price seems to vary between $50 (my quote - UK based) to $79 depending on how its ordered and paid for. Your sons progress has been awesome! Mandi in UK 13 Rounds down - 37? to go...... > I've thought about that - and I would probably keep him on some > enzymes (ZP?) for the general digestion stuff - but the having to > make sure all gluten, casein, soy, etc. is covered with enzymes > before any snack or meal - well, I can't blame him for wishing we > didn't have to be so stringent. > > > Dana has been very patient with me as I've asked her lots of > chelation questions as her children have been able to tolerate more > and more foods. I find it fascinating that the chelation has done > this for them - basically eased their apparent celiac disease, as I > understand it. > > > I see chelation as removing the underlying problem, but I admit I'm > nervous about the concept of moving metals around in my child when he > is doing so well with enzymes. I see much less risk with enzymes > than I do with chelation, but I've not read enough on chelation yet > to make a good judgment on it. It definitely interests me, but I am > a super cautious person and I have to be completely convinced it's a > good option for us. I really appreciate reading others' stories > about chelating and hope to go through all the a-m site files soon. > I just haven't had time to read at that site consistently, so I am > glad when people here keep us updated. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2002 Report Share Posted September 6, 2002 on 7/9/02 8:42 AM, MacsM7@... at MacsM7@... wrote: > In a message dated 9/6/02 5:55:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > rp46285@... writes: > > >> Have you read Bernie Windham's paper on mercury poisoning? > > I would be interested in reading this. Would you mind sending it either to me > privately or to the list. Thanks. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2002 Report Share Posted September 7, 2002 I would be interested in reading this as well: > > Have you read Bernie Windham's paper on mercury poisoning? > > Kris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2002 Report Share Posted September 7, 2002 Hi Kris, I have uploaded it to the files section. Scroll down as its currently at the bottom of the list. Fwd: [ ] Re: To -- enzymes forever?? I would be interested in reading this as well: > > Have you read Bernie Windham's paper on mercury poisoning? > > Kris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2002 Report Share Posted September 7, 2002 > I see chelation as removing the underlying problem, but I admit I'm > nervous about the concept of moving metals around in my child when he > is doing so well with enzymes. First, I would recommend you do a hair test. This will tell you which metals you are working with. Some metals don't chelate with the standard chelators. Some leave once you remove the source. And some need a specific chelator and won't leave if you don't use the one required. Second, if you decide to do it, start at low dose. This means that any metals which end up moving around, won't be very much so you won't see much negative effect, if any. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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