Re: How does En-Zym Complete compare?

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>> This is sort of a follow up to my question above - I found a

prodcut (En-Zym Complete from the Houston site)

Houston has Peptizyde and Zyme Prime

Kirkmans sells all the EnzymAids

Klaire Labs handles SerenAid

....that is probably what you meant. These are the only ones

formulated with AS people in mind, although other products will work

for general digestive use...just not the casein issue in particular.

>>Here's my question - I am still new to all the details of what is

exactly IN these enzymes, so does anyone know how that product

compares to what we're using now.

Different enzymes work on different food types. I will send you a

file which lists which enzymes work on what. The only catch is that

sometimes enzyme names are made up as a marketing gimmick, so if you

question something, please look into it of post on it. " Protease "

and " Peptidase " can refer to a blend of specific proteases and not

one enzyme in particular. Also, the numbers on the label can be

vastly different so you need to compare unit to unit exactly.

The formulations of the above products are different. Eventually, you

would need to just try them and see what works out best for your

family. I will send a file on cost comparisons as well. I have tried

all of them. For all practical purposes:

1. EnzymAid original is for casein/gluten ONLY - not if major

quantities, as for support on the diet. I found I needed to use at

least 4 EnzymAid capsules to equal 1 Peptizyde, and 2/3 SerenAid

capsules to equal one Peptizyde. This was over a few days only and

not long term.

2. EnzymAid Companion is roughly equal to Zyme Prime which 1:1. These

are for everythin EXCEPT casein/gluten. We don't have a particular

problem with other foods besides casein so I don't know how they

compare on things such as potatoes, sugars, carbs. We also tried

Carbo from EnzyMedica and that worked fine for us too.

3. 2 capsules of EnzymAid Complete is roughly equal to 1 Peptizyde

and 1 Zyme Prime. However, in order to get the same amount of casein

control as in one capsule of Peptizyde I needed to use 3 capsules of

Complete. This makes sense because you can look at the labels and do

the math. 1 Complete capsule has 25,000 HUT of DPP IV analog where as

1 Peptizyde has 62,500 HUT. But it you are taking that much Complete,

you are also getting much more of other enzymes as well. It starts to

come down to how a particular product works for someone based on

their food sensitivites, price, and convenience. I like to give

proteases in between meals to help with our headaches, gut and blood

cleaning and immune support so I like the Peptizyde so I can give it

separately. This is sort of the thought process that goes into

choosing which will work best for you.

4. DPP IV is the enzymes that breaks down casein. Peptizyde and

SerenAid contain the actual DPP IV enzyme. Complete and DPP IV FORTE

contain an analog which is supposed to do the same thing. Kirkman has

been very withholding on where this " mystery " enzyme comes from so

that makes it a little difficult because you can't evaluate it well

(for food type, allergic reactions, etc). Hopefully that will be

changing very soon.

Please post if you have more questions.

.

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> This is sort of a follow up to my question above - I found a prodcut

> (En-Zym Complete from the Houston site)

En-Zyme Complete I think is from Kirkman.

http://www.kirkmanlabs.com/

Houston site is Peptizyde and Zyme Prime.

http://www.houstonni.com/

that comes in powder form

> (which I think will be more convenient for us) and the site says it

> is specifically formulated for ASD kids. Here's my question - I am

> still new to all the details of what is exactly IN these enzymes, so

> does anyone know how that product compares to what we're using now:

> Peptizide and the HN-Zyme Prime?

There should be product ingredients listed on both of those sites, as

well as the labels on the bottles, or if not, you should contact the

suppliers and ask. I think you should definitely know what is in any

product you are considering using with your child.

Does that have what both of these

> have? And if we were to switch, once these bottles are gone, how

> would that affect Luke?

Switching from one enzyme product to another can be good, bad, or

indifferent, depending on the enzyme formulation and your child's

needs.

Guess I should have researched all the

> options before ordering but these seemed to be what most people were

> using and I was excited to get started.

I use the Houston enzymes and they work very well for my children.

> And I didn't know what a

> pain opening capsules would be. Thanks for any information.

I hear you on this one! I have three of my kids on enzymes, so I open

between 4-6 capsules at EACH MEAL! I have OT hand/finger issues, and

I am forever having difficulty opening the capsules, always dropping

them on the floor, etc. But I understand that the powder exposed to

air/water would make the enzymes less effective, so I suppose I accept

that this is one of those burdens in life that I just have to learn to

tolerate. But I hear you, it is nasty!

Dana

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Two of you commented:

>

> > And I didn't know what a

> > pain opening capsules would be. Thanks for any information.

>

> I hear you on this one! I have three of my kids on enzymes, so I

open

> between 4-6 capsules at EACH MEAL! I have OT hand/finger issues,

and

> I am forever having difficulty opening the capsules, always

dropping

> them on the floor, etc.

How about enlisting the help of your children? My 5 yo daughter

absolutely insisted on learning how to open them herself. (Now she

doesn't care, but at first she insisted on doing it.)

I taught her to TWIST rather than pull the capsules apart and

sprinkle them (pinch them) into her 1/2 tablespoon of pear sauce.

Sometimes she dropped the open capsules (so maybe this wouldn't work

if you are putting the capsules in a drink rather than food), and at

first I had to check her work to make sure she emptied each end of

the capsule. I also checked the table to make sure the enzyme was

getting into the pear sauce and not on the tablecloth. Now she is a

pro and I don't have to check her work. (Now, if only she was as

motivated to do other things around the house, like make her bed and

pick up her toys!) LOL!

Best to you all!

Carolyn