Re: sons behaviour

[Guest guest]

I suppose

I am creative, but only in that I like to use other people's creative

ideas, so I don't think I officially qualify for being creative!

Thanks for the compliment anyway.

well, if am having trouble following others ideas... and end up

" re-inventing the wheel " because of it... then am (on a good day) able to

recognize mine creativity... (for if the other person who thought of it,

was creative, then why not mine mind be creative too?.. and yours too....

so, well, perhaps in some (AS?) minds, a mind such as yours IS creative...

just as you see a mind other then yours (the " other " people in " other

peoples creative ideas " ) as creative.... (is this mind making much sense,

or any at all?).....strangely, when write, can much better articulate

things, closer to what am able to speak... when needing to speak to people,

am often using " scripts " to converse.... (is that wierd? do people do that

in general? or is that another one of those things they would

contribute/attribute to the AS?).....

well, think " that is enough " (the scripts often look like the words placed

in " " marks, and usually hve a certain intonation.... the one that was

used either the first time those words were heard.. or the most repetative

words/phrases heard...) of this diversion again.....

did want to mention/question about?....

sons behaviour... (he has not started with the enzymes yet... mainly

because of " if he acts like this NOW, what will he be like when he

" regresses " on peptizyde (sp?)-enzymes...

recent history: 11 yr old boy with as... seems his adhd-type symptoms were

generally minimal on a diet with those supplements which have stopped now,

so he will start " frehs " that way on enzymes (new year)... the diet has

been interrupted 'XL " by christmas starting with candi cane here at home..

a big one... meal with breads such as white breads, (sugar does not agree

with him in almost any type but especially cane sugar) white cake, and

chocolate... then he went to his dads, where he spent two days INHALING

sugar in the form of sugar crisp, sugr/nut cheerios, ALL the candi canes,

hard candies, chocolates, he could get his hands on, anywhere he went...

along with pastries, etc. etc. etc.

so now, his father has brought him home, he is STILL hyper in his

behaviour, extremey, although VERY funny as well... (liek drew carry type

humor... quite " kross " partly am sure due to the influence of the

music/videos/internet music downloads he accesses (songs which go like " im

a f*ckd up kid, in a f*ckd up world, ... f*ckd up pay at a f*ckd up job...

think it was called 'limp biscuit' and it is horrid (personal opinion, no

commentary intended on anyones musical tastes)... for a soon to be 12 yr

old boy (although his " listening comprehension " is at grd 12.8 level last

yr... he is extremely impressionable, and lacks his own sense of " common

sense " as to what is appropriate and what is not, where what is appropriate

and where it is not, and so forth...had to expect him to stop with the

words, and he looked a he had no idea what was saying to him.. and he does

know about those kinds of words... andso, it was explain, remind about our

family values, about values in society, remind him about school how he is

expected to speak there, that IT is normal, not what he heard on those

songs... so, as was saying... he literally hops around, dances, hip-hops,

flips (head-stand position, to standing up, back to a head stand, and up

again and so forth.. ) upside down, sings while speaking, loudly, jumps

from one topic/conversation to another as he is trying to speak to you,

while simultaneously on the computer, watching " the emporers new groove

(like this is a kid, who verbal stims out on the songs of that film, he

should not be hearing songs like that that were downloaded on his fathers

computer-opps diversion.. (is it seeping out from mine finger tips that am

somewhat upset about that?)...)

ofcoure he seems to need 11X redirection in order to be able to get one of

his socks on (the other one he always leaves on, and walks around with one

one.. why?.. dono) in a 7 minute span.. we got a ride to go someplace, and

and it was very difficult toget him to get going, and with out a serious

case of the " pre-teen/disgruntlement " enveloping his approach to the

shopping trip...

then ofcourse he ended up spending time at the neighbours, playing with

their new video game.. one he has never seen before.. the neighbours

apparently got " many, like 10 " son reports-games for it, and none of them

anyone knows how to play... so ofcourse he had ended up playing it there...

stimming out flying (his favorite) some type of planes hrough some type of

war... so as he was trying to get ready for bed, it took 55 minutes for him

to stop singing, jumping, flapping, talking very loudly, head-standing, and

dancing... so that he was able to go to sleep...

this child needs his diet back, his enzymes to start, his sleep, his mind

free from such words/songs/video games/.....

he needs another sauna...?? ... (or could that have such an effect on

him?.. no... eh?... he did have one yesterday, and certainly would have

detoxed a lil with all that sweating, and jumping in teh lake still ! what

a brave boy... and yesterday was the last day (little did we know) that

there was no ice, this morning it arrived... and we DO NOT make holes in

the ice, like the neighbour did, and almost got pulled under... ( ...

anyways.. just thought of that... but we have sauna once a month minimum

and it has not detoxed him that much... )...

a lil hopeful this gets better for him soon.... (

and daughter is stimming in similar ways today, we went to town, to get

some supplies, and she ate mcdonalds... she actually ate half of a child

size fry, and ALL of her 4 huggets.. and know that is her problem.. the

nuggets.. must be.... sicne we forgot the enzymes.... (

got o get used to carrying them around....

minna

[Guest guest]

Minna,

I like your " creative " theory, thanks!

As for talking in scripts, my son went through a stage where

virtually every thing he said was from videos he had seen. The

amazing thing to me was that he could apply a line from a video to a

real-life situation. So, this may be an " AS thing " and I have heard

others refer to this type of conversation which could be described as

a more rote form of conversing. Temple Grandin even said TV

commercials can be a helpful way to teach sentence structure because

the commercials are heard by the child over and over again and

eventually become part of their language. I think everyone at

certain times is using a script per say to get through a situation,

especially social situations. My husband is good at thinking of

questions to ask people to get conversations going. He said he

learned that from a family he worked for when he was a young man and

started imitating the way these men were able to do that so well.

So, if a script helps you, then perhaps eventually, what was a script

to you in the past will become more natural over time. I would not

say I visualize sentences in quotes as I speak, but at times, I do

follow a sort of a script and everyone does to some degree because

social situations require certain phrases so everyone is comfortable

with the conformity of the conversation. From what I know about my

son and from what others have said, social language is not as natural

for people with AS, but usually can be learned. As with you, I am

better in writing, but perhaps for different reasons - I can take

longer to think about what I want to say in writing and can edit out

the stalling around parts.

With the situation concerning your children going to their father's

house and being taken off enzymes/diet - I am sure you could pursue

getting something enforced about this. If you provide some

documentation on how the diet/enzymes affect your children's

behavior, I would think a judge would require their father to

comply. I would get teacher observations in writing and try to get

something from the doctor. Seems like something could be done about

the inappropriate music, too.

Let us know how your children do. Hopefully, many of the behaviors

you describe for your son will be helped once on enzymes

consistently. Best wishes to you.

> I suppose

> I am creative, but only in that I like to use other people's

creative

> ideas, so I don't think I officially qualify for being creative!

> Thanks for the compliment anyway.

>

>

> well, if am having trouble following others ideas... and end up

> " re-inventing the wheel " because of it... then am (on a good day)

able to

> recognize mine creativity... (for if the other person who thought

of it,

> was creative, then why not mine mind be creative too?.. and yours

too....

> so, well, perhaps in some (AS?) minds, a mind such as yours IS

creative...

> just as you see a mind other then yours (the " other " people

in " other

> peoples creative ideas " ) as creative.... (is this mind making much

sense,

> or any at all?).....strangely, when write, can much better

articulate

> things, closer to what am able to speak... when needing to speak to

people,

> am often using " scripts " to converse.... (is that wierd? do people

do that

> in general? or is that another one of those things they would

> contribute/attribute to the AS?).....

> well, think " that is enough " (the scripts often look like the

words placed

> in " " marks, and usually hve a certain intonation.... the one

that was

> used either the first time those words were heard.. or the most

repetative

> words/phrases heard...) of this diversion again.....

>

> did want to mention/question about?....

> sons behaviour... (he has not started with the enzymes yet... mainly

> because of " if he acts like this NOW, what will he be like when he

> " regresses " on peptizyde (sp?)-enzymes...

> recent history: 11 yr old boy with as... seems his adhd-type

symptoms were

> generally minimal on a diet with those supplements which have

stopped now,

> so he will start " frehs " that way on enzymes (new year)... the diet

has

> been interrupted 'XL " by christmas starting with candi cane here at

home..

> a big one... meal with breads such as white breads, (sugar does not

agree

> with him in almost any type but especially cane sugar) white cake,

and

> chocolate... then he went to his dads, where he spent two days

INHALING

> sugar in the form of sugar crisp, sugr/nut cheerios, ALL the candi

canes,

> hard candies, chocolates, he could get his hands on, anywhere he

went...

> along with pastries, etc. etc. etc.

> so now, his father has brought him home, he is STILL hyper in his

> behaviour, extremey, although VERY funny as well... (liek drew

carry type

> humor... quite " kross " partly am sure due to the influence of the

> music/videos/internet music downloads he accesses (songs which go

like " im

> a f*ckd up kid, in a f*ckd up world, ... f*ckd up pay at a f*ckd up

job...

> think it was called 'limp biscuit' and it is horrid (personal

opinion, no

> commentary intended on anyones musical tastes)... for a soon to be

12 yr

> old boy (although his " listening comprehension " is at grd 12.8

level last

> yr... he is extremely impressionable, and lacks his own sense

of " common

> sense " as to what is appropriate and what is not, where what is

appropriate

> and where it is not, and so forth...had to expect him to stop with

the

> words, and he looked a he had no idea what was saying to him.. and

he does

> know about those kinds of words... andso, it was explain, remind

about our

> family values, about values in society, remind him about school how

he is

> expected to speak there, that IT is normal, not what he heard on

those

> songs... so, as was saying... he literally hops around, dances, hip-

hops,

> flips (head-stand position, to standing up, back to a head stand,

and up

> again and so forth.. ) upside down, sings while speaking, loudly,

jumps

> from one topic/conversation to another as he is trying to speak to

you,

> while simultaneously on the computer, watching " the emporers new

groove

> (like this is a kid, who verbal stims out on the songs of that

film, he

> should not be hearing songs like that that were downloaded on his

fathers

> computer-opps diversion.. (is it seeping out from mine finger tips

that am

> somewhat upset about that?)...)

> ofcoure he seems to need 11X redirection in order to be able to get

one of

> his socks on (the other one he always leaves on, and walks around

with one

> one.. why?.. dono) in a 7 minute span.. we got a ride to go

someplace, and

> and it was very difficult toget him to get going, and with out a

serious

> case of the " pre-teen/disgruntlement " enveloping his approach to the

> shopping trip...

> then ofcourse he ended up spending time at the neighbours, playing

with

> their new video game.. one he has never seen before.. the neighbours

> apparently got " many, like 10 " son reports-games for it, and none

of them

> anyone knows how to play... so ofcourse he had ended up playing it

there...

> stimming out flying (his favorite) some type of planes hrough some

type of

> war... so as he was trying to get ready for bed, it took 55 minutes

for him

> to stop singing, jumping, flapping, talking very loudly, head-

standing, and

> dancing... so that he was able to go to sleep...

> this child needs his diet back, his enzymes to start, his sleep,

his mind

> free from such words/songs/video games/.....

> he needs another sauna...?? ... (or could that have such an

effect on

> him?.. no... eh?... he did have one yesterday, and certainly would

have

> detoxed a lil with all that sweating, and jumping in teh lake

still ! what

> a brave boy... and yesterday was the last day (little did we know)

that

> there was no ice, this morning it arrived... and we DO NOT make

holes in

> the ice, like the neighbour did, and almost got pulled under...

( ...

> anyways.. just thought of that... but we have sauna once a month

minimum

> and it has not detoxed him that much... )...

>

> a lil hopeful this gets better for him soon.... (

>

> and daughter is stimming in similar ways today, we went to town, to

get

> some supplies, and she ate mcdonalds... she actually ate half of a

child

> size fry, and ALL of her 4 huggets.. and know that is her problem..

the

> nuggets.. must be.... sicne we forgot the enzymes.... (

> got o get used to carrying them around....

>

> minna