Re: Moria -bentonite bath

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> :: Have you actually had a bentonite bath ? All

> the supply stores are shut for Christmas/New Years here

> and I will not be able to try this bath for a while. I will try

> anything that seems reasonable. I may take the residue

> clay to get analysed for heavy metals, etc.

>

Hullo ,

Yes, I have take ***many*** bentonite baths. I'm getting lost

here--- did you see my post (I think on oxyplus?) about this?

I swear, I think I'm on 4 lists that are ALL discussing

bentonite right now! Anyway--- I would estimate that I've

taken something like 25 to 50 bentonite baths in my lifetime.

Hard to guess exactly. There was some website someone posted

that **sounded** like the bath was higher quantity of

clay than mine though. I went to some class(es) years ago

about bentonite--- I've used it off and on at various times

since. I've taken a handful of clay baths since I got

amalgams out, and many before that. BTW the class was not

just about bentonite baths, I think that was a small side

note. The teacher had a bentonite bath she recommended.

But the class was also about use of bentonite topically for

stuff like stings, cuts, all kinds of stuff. I have a

bunch of bentonite in my bathroom. Oh--- do be VERY careful

mixing it into the bath water please---- it is a VERY fine

powder, and VERY bad for lungs--- mix it into the water

and don't get it flying around in the room.

I also have taken hydrogen peroxide baths, herbal baths,

oatmeal baths, salt baths..... and a few drops of essential

oils are very nice.

As you probly know I am also chelating with alpha lipoic acid

(ALA)... and I take saunas too......once in a while.......

Moria

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Hi Moria,

Did you take these bentonite baths to get rid of mercury? Do you know if they

were helpful at all for this purpose? I wouldn't expect them to draw mercury

from the brain, certainly, for example, but did you notice a lessening of the

mercury load in your system at all? Had you done any hair testing prior to

and after the baths, for example? Are these bentonite baths useful for

drawing other metals besides mercury?

My son, 4, has heavy metal toxicity, and I'm totally scared to chelate using

DMSA, and am even quite worried about ALA, though less so than DMSA. I'm

afraid to use the ALA because I wonder if he has high plasma/cysteine ratio,

and I'm not sure I want to stick him again to find out - he's totally

traumatized by needles. I'm not certain, but think I've read ALA may not be

good for someone wiht a high plasma/cysteine ratio. So if not DMSA or ALA,

then what? I'm just looking for some safe way to do something at all until I

get the confidence or desparation required to use something stronger to get

the junk out.

And if you think bentonite would be a good temporary idea, what's the best

method to proceed? A liquid suspension in bath water? A total clay soak? More

details would be nifty.

Thanks so much,

Debbie

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Hello Debbie,

> Did you take these bentonite baths to get rid of mercury?

Thank you for asking. No, I didn't take them for mercury. I learned

about using clay for lots of purposes, years ago. The baths are

sort of a general detox or rejuvenation type of thing. I really

don't remember that much of what I was *told*, but I have taken

them at different times, such as when I'm tired or ill or have

horrible skin allergies. There are a number of things (including

clay baths) that I have " played with " over the years.

In my investigations of mercury tox, I did come across something

about using bentonite for detox. A friend of mine was interested

in this and sent me a website. I then bought myself a big bag

of bentonite, which I had not used in some time. So, I suppose

maybe in a WAY I should say I bought that because of mercury----

but, truely, I got it (again) as an adjunct sort of thing. (I

forgot all about that!) I have taken maybe 2 or 3 or 4 baths

since amalgam replacement--- not that many. I still have lots

of clay left Bear in mind I do a lot of differnt stuff. If

you asked me what are ALL the different kinds of healing-related

things I've done or eaten or taken in the last year (while

chelating) I might find it a tough assignment. Then we could

discuss which (if any) of those affect mercury.

In my THINKING about it, I think of ALA as what I use for

mercury, and most of the rest of it as " extra " or " other " .

I do sorta try to do a sauna once in a while (more about that

later on in this note).

> Do you

know if they

> were helpful at all for this purpose?

NO--- I really DO NOT KNOW at all. I am pretty skeptical about

it, but I don't KNOW.

> I wouldn't expect them to draw

mercury

> from the brain, certainly, for example, but did you notice a

lessening of the

> mercury load in your system at all?

Well, I usually sorta " feel better " after one of these baths,

but it is not all that dramatic.

> Had you done any hair testing

prior to

> and after the baths, for example?

Hair testing would not be a valid measure, IMO. This is one

of the difficulties with mercury. I don't know of any way to

" prove " that someone is actually detoxed. At least none that

I think mean anything.

I've done 2 hair tests--- one in about Jan 2000 (about when I

started ALA), and another about August/Sept 2000 (after several

months of chelation). Neither shows high for mercury BTW, which

is " no surprise " . I think I estimated that I've taken 25 to

50 bentonite baths.

> Are these bentonite baths useful

for

> drawing other metals besides mercury?

I don't know.

> My son, 4, has heavy metal toxicity, and I'm totally scared to

chelate using

> DMSA,

how come?

> and am even quite worried about ALA, though less so than DMSA.

I'm

> afraid to use the ALA because I wonder if he has high

plasma/cysteine ratio,

> and I'm not sure I want to stick him again to find out - he's

totally

> traumatized by needles.

Would you like some suggestions regarding this fear?

Read about ALA and read about " sulfur " , here:

/files/ANDY_INDEX

ALA is sorta sulfury. I am no chemist and I can't make

meaningful statements about the amount of sulfur in ALA, but

A LOT OF THINGS ARE SULFURY. Does your child eat onions or

cauliflower or brocolli, for example.

When you say you are afraid your kid is high cysteine, any

special reason you think so? He could also be LOW, in which

case the sulfur in ALA is a " perk " not a drawback.

BTW I do understand about the needle fear. I went though major

considerations before doing the blood draw for this very test.

But that is another story!

> I'm not certain, but think I've read ALA may

not be

> good for someone wiht a high plasma/cysteine ratio.

People with high cysteine level are negatively effected by

eating/taking sulfury stuff, according to Andy (Cutler).

ALA is sulfury. IF (and only if) your kid is in this

category, then you could sulfur restrict the REST of his

diet, which should be very helpful--- and give him ALA.

IF (and only if) you STILL had a problem at that point,

then you could reduce the dose. Of course, I'd suggest

that you try to figure out more about his sulfur status,

as well as talking to Andy about it. But I really don't

see this as such a big hurdle.

> So if not DMSA

or ALA,

> then what? I'm just looking for some safe way to do something at all

until I

> get the confidence or desparation required to use something stronger

to get

> the junk out.

The chelators that Andy (Cutler) says actually chelate mercury

are ALA, DMSA and DMPS. Of those, only ALA gets mercury out of

the brain, so it is VERY important to use ALA somewhere along

the line. He also thinks saunas probably do get some mercury

out (they were a traditional rememdy for sick miners)--- and

are probably/maybe safe with amalgams in place, even.

I personally do not know all of what works and what doesn't.

I also don't read research, and don't understand chemistry type

stuff. In other words, I don't plan to go figure out what it

all means about all the many many methods that supposedly

chelate mercury. (There are LOTS out there.) I am reasonably

confident that ALA/DMSA/DMPS work when used in the way Andy

recommends (stead blood level of chelator), and I'm satisfied

with that, at least for the time being.

BTW, do you know that your kid is MERCURY toxic? Which

chelators to use does depend on what metal(s) you are

trying to get rid of.

> And if you think bentonite would be a good temporary idea, what's

the best

> method to proceed? A liquid suspension in bath water? A total clay

soak? More

> details would be nifty.

I don't really think it will do a lot. But, I also don't think

it will hurt you any. And I find it enjoyable enough. Somewhat

of a hassle, but, everything has some cost. Buy bentonite from

a large clay store. Put some water in the tub then SPRINKLE the

clay over the tub and mix it in--- a wire whisk works as well

as anything. BE CAREFUL with the clay. It is hazardous to breathe

it--- it is a very fine powder and BAD for lungs. Don't get

it puffed around in the air. (This takes care.) I think I've

heard recipes with maybe a couple of cups in a tub of water.

More is okay too. Mix it in. Then soak in the tub as long as

you can. Also important: don't get your hair in the water.

The clay is INCREDIBLY drying to hair. I have never been " told "

this by anyone, just passing on my experience. I have really

messed my hair up--- and it didn't " recover " for a long time,

either! I can't describe it that well, but let's just say my

hair has a horrible texture for quite a long time!

When you are done, rinse off (like with a shower spray).

You may feel a little tired afterwards. I have heard differing

things about whether clay is good/bad for pipes. My plumbing

has not stopped working, but, who knows?

Now, I'm reminded here of something I wanted to say back on

the ALA/DMSA topic--- but I forgot. Well this applies to the

baths to. Here it is: try this stuff yourSELF. I think this

is a very sensible way to go about things, in general, unless

there is a reason you can't. With clay baths, you can. Do

this yourSELF a couple of times. Get comfortable with it.

With ALA/DMSA you should NOT use these yourself (or with kiddos)

if you/they have amalgam dental fillings. Since many many

adults have amalgams, this means you may not be ABLE to try

it on yourself first--- at least not without taking the time

to get the amalgams replaced. That might not be a bad thing

to consider. If you aren't going to use DMSA/ALA because

you are scared about it, well, get your amalgams replaced,

then try DMSA/ALA yourSELF so you can get first hand experience.

This will delay the process with you kid a lot --- all that time

for dental work, etc. But, heck, it beats doing nothing.

Another option you can try is saunas. Somewhere Andy says he

thinks they help, but relatively not that much. Like it might

take a LOT of saunas to make a difference. Even then, I don't

know if it would get mercury out of the brain.

I'm sure I've written more than enough here!

best wishes,

Moria